Post by: wolfbait on February 13, 2018, 06:32:15 AM
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/jan/26/idaho-wolf-control-board-seeks-another-400k-next-y/#/0
Post by: Dan-o on February 13, 2018, 07:29:16 AM
Thanks for posting.
(from a non wolf lover on the west side)
Post by: birddogdad on February 13, 2018, 07:32:41 AM
Post by: lord grizzly on February 13, 2018, 07:50:42 AM
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....
you can come over and buy a very reasonably priced wolf tag any time you want. you'll likely find however its not tat easy. wolf hunting and wolf control are very different things. give hiking back where there dug in a try some time and you may see why funding is required. money well spent...
Post by: wolfbait on February 13, 2018, 08:15:10 AM
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....
you can come over and buy a very reasonably priced wolf tag any time you want. you'll likely find however its not tat easy. wolf hunting and wolf control are very different things. give hiking back where there dug in a try some time and you may see why funding is required. money well spent...
Agree, wolves are quick learners, I talk to a guy who trapped wolves in Idaho, he said the first year he did real well, the second year not as well and the third was even harder. It is said that wolves are 10% smarter then the smartest dogs.
44 wolves taken in first wolf hunt in Wyoming since 2013
"About 2,500 hunting licenses were issued, meaning 1.7 percent of the license holders were successful in taking a wolf."
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2018/01/44-wolves-taken-first-wolf-hunt-wyoming-since-2013/
Post by: birddogdad on February 13, 2018, 08:55:57 AM
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....
you can come over and buy a very reasonably priced wolf tag any time you want. you'll likely find however its not tat easy. wolf hunting and wolf control are very different things. give hiking back where there dug in a try some time and you may see why funding is required. money well spent...
oh for sure.. have a 2019 combo hunt already planned~ will include a couple wolf tags... never know what will run by!
Post by: KFhunter on June 02, 2018, 10:35:05 PM
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....
you can come over and buy a very reasonably priced wolf tag any time you want. you'll likely find however its not tat easy. wolf hunting and wolf control are very different things. give hiking back where there dug in a try some time and you may see why funding is required. money well spent...
and they use means and methods regular hunters cannot, wolf control must be a function of the state with some aid from hunters and trappers.
Hunting and trapping cannot control wolves, only slow them a tad in small areas.
Post by: wolfbait on June 03, 2018, 09:19:12 AM
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....
you can come over and buy a very reasonably priced wolf tag any time you want. you'll likely find however its not tat easy. wolf hunting and wolf control are very different things. give hiking back where there dug in a try some time and you may see why funding is required. money well spent...
and they use means and methods regular hunters cannot, wolf control must be a function of the state with some aid from hunters and trappers.
Hunting and trapping cannot control wolves, only slow them a tad in small areas.
Which is the main reason the USFWS etc. fought to put the wolves in as a big game animal, no control.
Post by: bigtex on June 03, 2018, 09:42:17 AM
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
Post by: bearpaw on June 03, 2018, 10:42:13 AM
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
WDFW employs numerous people just for wolves, I suspect that's what birddogdad meant.
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....
you can come over and buy a very reasonably priced wolf tag any time you want. you'll likely find however its not tat easy. wolf hunting and wolf control are very different things. give hiking back where there dug in a try some time and you may see why funding is required. money well spent...
:yeah: I imagine that money will be used for chopper time in the Lolo, that area is still in a predator pit.
Post by: bigtex on June 03, 2018, 10:49:02 PM
Employees just for wolves sure, but I know of no state that has LEOs just for wolves.WDFW employs numerous people just for wolves, I suspect that's what birddogdad meant.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
Post by: bearpaw on June 04, 2018, 03:45:28 PM
Employees just for wolves sure, but I know of no state that has LEOs just for wolves.WDFW employs numerous people just for wolves, I suspect that's what birddogdad meant.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
This state has predator conflict specialists! They are for wolf/cougar/bear problems. The positions were created primarily due to wolf and cougar conflicts and are fairly new positions created since wolves were allowed to multiply. But you are correct, they are not just for wolves! :tup:
Idaho has a whole host of people running around keeping track of wolves, but you are correct, the wolf bios and techs aren't actual LEO's, and the LEO's aren't only patrolling wolves.
Post by: Oh Mah on June 04, 2018, 06:46:17 PM
Funding i would think.The wolf loving community has been shoveling money in all directions for it.I am certain that the LEO'S have gotten their hands on some of it from either more officers or just new equipment to cover their areas either way it is funding.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
Post by: wolfbait on June 04, 2018, 11:47:49 PM
funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
LEO's investigate predation on livestock-I was on a fresh wolf killed calf, LEO showed up to helped scott fitkin search for coyote tracks, anything but a wolf, they found a coyote track and came out with coyote kill. Even though there was fresh wolf scat and wolf tracks where the calf was first attack. So yep, LEO's do benefit from wolves.
Post by: bigtex on June 05, 2018, 06:55:44 AM
Ok so LEOs do investigations, duh.LEO's investigate predation on livestock-I was on a fresh wolf killed calf, LEO showed up to helped scott fitkin search for coyote tracks, anything but a wolf, they found a coyote track and came out with coyote kill. Even though there was fresh wolf scat and wolf tracks where the calf was first attack. So yep, LEO's do benefit from wolves.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
How exactly does the LEO benefit? They certainly aren't paid more.
Post by: bigtex on June 05, 2018, 06:57:07 AM
No additional funding for LEOs because of wolves in WA. In reality, there's less LEOs in "wolf country" then there were 20-30 years ago.Funding i would think.The wolf loving community has been shoveling money in all directions for it.I am certain that the LEO'S have gotten their hands on some of it from either more officers or just new equipment to cover their areas either way it is funding.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
Post by: wolfbait on June 05, 2018, 10:07:17 AM
Ok so LEOs do investigations, duh.LEO's investigate predation on livestock-I was on a fresh wolf killed calf, LEO showed up to helped scott fitkin search for coyote tracks, anything but a wolf, they found a coyote track and came out with coyote kill. Even though there was fresh wolf scat and wolf tracks where the calf was first attack. So yep, LEO's do benefit from wolves.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
How exactly does the LEO benefit? They certainly aren't paid more.
As time goes on and there are less areas to hunt in WA, and more predator/human conflicts, will the responsibility of handling the calls go to LEO's?
Post by: Oh Mah on June 05, 2018, 03:59:38 PM
Are you saying that the wdfw leo's are not or were not given any new equipment to investigate or deal with wolf conflicts or wolf poaching at all?I find that very hard to believe.No additional funding for LEOs because of wolves in WA. In reality, there's less LEOs in "wolf country" then there were 20-30 years ago.Funding i would think.The wolf loving community has been shoveling money in all directions for it.I am certain that the LEO'S have gotten their hands on some of it from either more officers or just new equipment to cover their areas either way it is funding.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
Post by: nwwanderer on June 05, 2018, 05:06:33 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 05, 2018, 06:00:03 PM
What new equipment would be needed? The metal detector that can find the bullet in the elk works just as good on a wolf.Are you saying that the wdfw leo's are not or were not given any new equipment to investigate or deal with wolf conflicts or wolf poaching at all?I find that very hard to believe.No additional funding for LEOs because of wolves in WA. In reality, there's less LEOs in "wolf country" then there were 20-30 years ago.Funding i would think.The wolf loving community has been shoveling money in all directions for it.I am certain that the LEO'S have gotten their hands on some of it from either more officers or just new equipment to cover their areas either way it is funding.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
Post by: bigtex on June 05, 2018, 06:10:18 PM
The WDFW Enforcement program has had a big change the past 5-10 for problem wildlife issues. It used to be that the LEOs would handle all of the calls (from the elk are eating my orchard to a cougar killing a mountain biker). Now the LEOs only get involved with the most serious incidents. The vast majority of the rest of the incidents are going to the "Wildlife Conflict Specialists" who tend to have more of a bio background then LE.As time goes on and there are less areas to hunt in WA, and more predator/human conflicts, will the responsibility of handling the calls go to LEO's?Ok so LEOs do investigations, duh.LEO's investigate predation on livestock-I was on a fresh wolf killed calf, LEO showed up to helped scott fitkin search for coyote tracks, anything but a wolf, they found a coyote track and came out with coyote kill. Even though there was fresh wolf scat and wolf tracks where the calf was first attack. So yep, LEO's do benefit from wolves.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
How exactly does the LEO benefit? They certainly aren't paid more.
WDFW basically realized they don't need LEOs to handle the vast majority of problem wildlife calls and these calls take them away from stopping poachers.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 06, 2018, 09:06:51 AM
Post by: wolfbait on June 06, 2018, 09:30:28 AM
We should be looking to ID to understand how things will progress here in WA. It's a dire warning and so far, we've completely ignored it.
Sad difference between ID and WA is the people of Idaho voted out their pro-wolf people in IDFG, WA is different, we need to vote out the governor in order to change the outcome.
We already know what happen to the Lolo elk herd etc.
Post by: wolfbait on June 06, 2018, 09:50:25 AM
The WDFW Enforcement program has had a big change the past 5-10 for problem wildlife issues. It used to be that the LEOs would handle all of the calls (from the elk are eating my orchard to a cougar killing a mountain biker). Now the LEOs only get involved with the most serious incidents. The vast majority of the rest of the incidents are going to the "Wildlife Conflict Specialists" who tend to have more of a bio background then LE.As time goes on and there are less areas to hunt in WA, and more predator/human conflicts, will the responsibility of handling the calls go to LEO's?Ok so LEOs do investigations, duh.LEO's investigate predation on livestock-I was on a fresh wolf killed calf, LEO showed up to helped scott fitkin search for coyote tracks, anything but a wolf, they found a coyote track and came out with coyote kill. Even though there was fresh wolf scat and wolf tracks where the calf was first attack. So yep, LEO's do benefit from wolves.funny then need money to kill them.. I think most of us would do this as a free service if offered here..... but again, wolves are an industry created for all involved to pad wallets.. from lawyers to LEO....How do wolves pad the wallets of LEOs? I can't remember the last time a wolf paid me? Or any animal to that point :o
How exactly does the LEO benefit? They certainly aren't paid more.
WDFW basically realized they don't need LEOs to handle the vast majority of problem wildlife calls and these calls take them away from stopping poachers.
Probably aren't going to need too many LEO's before long, as the wolves continue to expand there won't be much left to poach.
It wasn't that long ago that a wildlife conflict specialist ruled on wolves attacking some dogs in the Methow, scott fitkin wanted to blame the attack on cougar, but the specialist said NO, as it was defiantly wolves. From my understanding the specialist said from then on there wasn't going to be anymore lying. Kind of gave everyone hope that WDF&wolves were going to start being honest.
I do know that there have been several wolf attacks on dogs in the Methow that were never reported to the public, we only found out through people coming forward, and of course before the C. specialist came along the USFWS and WDFW both lied about livestock predation by wolves in the Methow.
Evidently the C. specialist does not go to all wolf predation sites, as it was scott fitkin and crew who lied about the wolf predation of a calf a few hundred yards outside of Twisp. So much for honesty.