Post by: huntnphool on March 09, 2009, 09:38:54 PM
Hunting Method:
Muzzleloader only.
Muzzleloader tag holders can
only hunt during muzzleloader
seasons and must hunt with
muzzleloader equipment.
Muzzleloading equipment must
meet regulations on page 67.
Post by: robodad on March 09, 2009, 09:50:54 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 09, 2009, 09:53:02 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 09, 2009, 10:00:21 PM
Post by: M_ray on March 09, 2009, 10:01:38 PM
Post by: mossback91 on March 09, 2009, 10:14:05 PM
I just voted yes and it's 7-1 ... What I want to know is who is the one tard that thinks you shoudn't and why??? :dunno:
harsh...... :chuckle:
Post by: robodad on March 09, 2009, 10:15:06 PM
Can anyone give me a logical reason why it would not be allowed? I'm not looking for an arguement, I honestly can not think of a legit reason for the rule, I'm all ears.
There would be tons of archery folks buying ML tags and using archery tackle just because of the timing of the season is the only thing I can come up with !!
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 09, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
Can't imagine why, but no question on the rules...it's crystal clear when you compare the Hunting Method for Modern Firearms on pages 19 and 38 and the Hunting Method for Muzzy on 21 and 40.
Post by: boneaddict on March 09, 2009, 10:19:52 PM
Post by: shoot-em-dead on March 09, 2009, 10:24:24 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 09, 2009, 10:50:39 PM
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I really don't see any point in taking archery equipment along. Why not just hunt the archery season that is open longer and open to more GMU's. Doesn't make much sense to me why anyone would want to shorten their odds so much.
Shoot-em-dead, which weapon is arguably more proficient at killing game all things being equal, archery gear or a muzzy? Quite honestly with a multi season tag I get to hunt every season anyway, so as long as I'm hunting during the muzzy season which weapon will give me the best chance at tagging something that time of year, I would think a muzzy being able to shoot out to 100+ yards would give me a much better chance than a bow :dunno: I have no problem with them forcing me to use a weapon that is more proficient, I just dont understand why they would care :dunno: If their sole objective and reasoning behind the rule is to keep archery guys from choosing dates rather than weapons, they have defeated the purpose with these multi season tags :twocents:
Post by: M_ray on March 09, 2009, 11:00:48 PM
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There would be tons of archery folks buying ML tags and using archery tackle just because of the timing of the season is the only thing I can come up with !!
I don't think so ... the season last year was Oct. 4-10 , and only 6 days??? not an attractive time for deer and allthough better for Elk why not have a hunk of lead?
Now you guy's can see why muzzy's were asking for more time to hunt ...6 days a year for deer and elk at the same time :dunno: ridiculous
Post by: shoot-em-dead on March 09, 2009, 11:06:10 PM
QuoteI really don't see any point in taking archery equipment along. Why not just hunt the archery season that is open longer and open to more GMU's. Doesn't make much sense to me why anyone would want to shorten their odds so much.
Shoot-em-dead, which weapon is arguably more proficient at killing game all things being equal, archery gear or a muzzy? Quite honestly with a multi season tag I get to hunt every season anyway, so as long as I'm hunting during the muzzy season which weapon will give me the best chance at tagging something that time of year, I would think a muzzy being able to shoot out to 100+ yards would give me a much better chance than a bow :dunno: I have no problem with them forcing me to use a weapon that is more proficient, I just dont understand why they would care :dunno: If their sole objective and reasoning behind the rule is to keep archery guys from choosing dates rather than weapons, they have defeated the purpose with these multi season tags :twocents:
No disrespect but the special permits and draws are just that- special so don't start complaining cause you got one. The muzzle season is 6 days. You really complaining over six days and piss poor GMU's?
Post by: huntnphool on March 09, 2009, 11:10:05 PM
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No disrespect but the special permits and draws are just that- special so don't start complaining cause you got one. The muzzle season is 6 days. You really complaining over six days and piss poor GMU's?
LOL, I'm not complaining, I have no problem being forced to use a gun over archery gear, I just dont understand their logic.
Post by: M_ray on March 09, 2009, 11:10:25 PM
I just voted yes and it's 7-1 ... What I want to know is who is the one tard that thinks you shoudn't and why??? :dunno:
harsh...... :chuckle:
Maybe? but now there are three? (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Ffreak%2F4.gif&hash=9f0e5e741564794b1d212893fe71d3fedfd5b96b)
Post by: M_ray on March 09, 2009, 11:13:05 PM
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You really complaining over six days and piss poor GMU's?
Where did he say that? You are not getting it (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fnono%2F4.gif&hash=2d658c5a9fe5569b6aec8f87e1a827357b48409c)
Moss I've found one obviously (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fdarwin%2F2.gif&hash=e304e9c4d5556e13609fef57c11646c41347af3f)
Post by: shoot-em-dead on March 09, 2009, 11:33:55 PM
Post by: M_ray on March 10, 2009, 12:24:01 AM
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LOL, I'm not complaining, I have no problem being forced to use a gun over archery gear, I just dont understand their logic.
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I have no problem with them forcing me to use a weapon that is more proficient, I just dont understand why they would care
shoot-em-dead once again he never says he wants to have all seasons open for what ever weapon ... He is asking plain and simple "why would it be leagal to hunt with Archery gear during Modern Rifle but not Muzzleloader?" Usally it would make sense to have a less proficient method leagal for use but by no means is he supporting the use of a rifle during archery for instance as your statement might suggest
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That sounds to me like he wants to have the tags open for all seasons with whatever weapon he wants to use.
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but why would someone want to put themself a such a disadvantage?
Some prefer only Archery just as some would go to fish for Steelhead with just a fly rod vs. a bait rod.
Post by: 7mag. on March 10, 2009, 12:51:17 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 10, 2009, 09:45:20 AM
Post by: M_ray on March 10, 2009, 10:12:16 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 10, 2009, 10:37:38 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 10, 2009, 10:47:54 AM
Just another stupid law.
Post by: huntnphool on March 10, 2009, 10:51:37 AM
Its a definite NO NO.
Just another stupid law.
Why is that If you have a legit tag for both? How could they enforce that, it does not say anywhere in the regs that you cant as far as I can see.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 10, 2009, 10:54:38 AM
If there is overlap like some of the late seasons its pick your weapon.
Sorry if this has already been hashed out. I haven't read this thread all that close.
There is no good reason other than the smoke pole guys dont want competition.
Post by: huntnphool on March 10, 2009, 10:59:49 AM
Post by: robodad on March 10, 2009, 11:01:22 AM
Okay so if you have a multi season tag for them can you carry both weapons at the same time?
I believe that if the general season is open for both ML and archery (Overlap) then yes a person holding a multiseason permit is allowed to hunt with the weapon they choose (ML or Bow) and if you feel the need to carry both weapons with you in the field then you should be allowed, as long as the equipment meets the restrictions for the season in effect then it shouldn't be a problem. A bit cumbersome but legal !!
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 10, 2009, 11:02:04 AM
There is even one muzz only hunt Im aware of that the WDFW muzz laws dont apply.... shot shell and scopes are a go for the JBH elk tag because its a federal hunt....weird I know :dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on March 10, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
Post by: robodad on March 10, 2009, 11:04:59 AM
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There is no good reason other than the smoke pole guys dont want competition.
"Smoke Pole Guys" don't make the rules WDFW does so don't blame ML hunter for the rules being what they are !!
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 10, 2009, 11:05:43 AM
;)
Post by: robodad on March 10, 2009, 11:21:28 AM
why not its more fun that way :stirthepot:
;)
Just pecks away at the relationship between fellow usergroups thats all !! ;)
Post by: EastWaViking on March 10, 2009, 11:26:42 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 10, 2009, 11:28:14 AM
You can legally use a bow during any of the seasons, you just have to have either a black powder or modern tag to do so.
Thats what I thought EastWa, but sadly this is not the case. Check out the top of the thread.
Post by: Lowedog on March 10, 2009, 11:46:18 AM
BTW, I voted no just to add to the no votes. :) I could care less. If I want to hunt mz season because of timing then I'll buy a mz tag and hunt with my front stuffer. Same applies to archery.
-Lowedog
Post by: 7mag. on March 10, 2009, 02:35:42 PM
BTW, Phool, no offense taken, I knew what you meant.
Post by: EastWaViking on March 10, 2009, 03:17:34 PM
You can legally use a bow during any of the seasons, you just have to have either a black powder or modern tag to do so.
Thats what I thought EastWa, but sadly this is not the case. Check out the top of the thread.
WOW that's very odd!
Post by: Tom Tamer on March 10, 2009, 08:41:38 PM
I voted no. Why does everybody want to do everything all the time. I hunt for fun and food but if your going to put the two together you might as well add modern and just make it one season for all and we can kill every thing out there and change it to killing season instead of hunting season. Just kidding. The GMU's throughout the state that are open to muzzle already make it tough using Muzzleloader equipment and I really don't see any point in taking archery equipment along. Why not just hunt the archery season that is open longer and open to more GMU's. Doesn't make much sense to me why anyone would want to shorten their odds so much.
I respectfully have to disagree with the point of might as well add modern to it, because it is an issue of choice, I and many others have tried for years to get the WDFW to get rid of weapons choice period...in the end they came up with the Multi-tag. It's for those who just want to hunt....to be out there and not be confined to one weapon one season. As far as why would anyone want to use a bow during M/L season because M/L is hard enough. well as a guy who uses rifle why would anyone want to use anything other than a rifle. The answer is personal choice and difficulty is part of hunting and makes the kill that much more fullfilling for some. I think if you have a tag for a specific weapon season then as long as the weapon you choose does not exceed the capabilities of the stated season then it SHOULD be legal.
They actually fixed that with the concerns of using Muzzys during a modern season, no longer do you have to adhere to the Muzzy regulations if that gun is being used during a Modern firearm season as long as you have that tag. So now you can use the sealed inlines and 209 primers during that season.
It's a matter of choice and like I also seen stated some may draw that multi tag yet not own a Muzzy so what would be the harm of taking the bow? :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on March 11, 2009, 10:15:53 AM
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The answer is personal choice and difficulty is part of hunting and makes the kill that much more fullfilling for some
It would have been very easy to grab my rifle from M-Ray when I went after my moose, but I really wanted the challenge of getting him with my bow. :dunno:
Post by: robodad on March 11, 2009, 10:19:09 AM
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So now you can use the sealed inlines and 209 primers during that season.
Remember these are still just proposals and not laws yet !! ;)
Post by: Tom Tamer on March 11, 2009, 12:27:21 PM
QuoteSo now you can use the sealed inlines and 209 primers during that season.
Remember these are still just proposals and not laws yet !! ;)
True...... Has anyone heard of the results of the comission meeting last weekend yet?