Post by: Angry Perch on February 21, 2018, 10:26:16 AM
Plan is to install a 383 stroker, but the driveline needs some upgrades first. It has a factory 3.42 rear end, but I need to install posi. I know I can get the parts for +/- $500, but it sounds like a bit of a technical install. Any advice for DIY, or cost estimate to have it done?
I know the 700R4 needs a rebuild/ replace to handle 400+ HP and 425+ TQ, but costs are all over the board. Anywhere from $1300 on Amazon to my local transmission guy who says $3-4K.
Just looking for any advice or experience with either.
Post by: 2MANY on February 21, 2018, 10:40:38 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on February 21, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
Add weight to the bed.
The end goal is to turn money-into-rubber-into-smoke, so that might be counter productive! :chuckle:
Although keeping a few sets of rear wheels and tires in the bed might kill two birds with one stone!
Post by: Zardoz on February 21, 2018, 12:32:13 PM
Post by: Westside88 on February 21, 2018, 01:01:39 PM
Post by: 2MANY on February 21, 2018, 01:26:11 PM
Add weight to the bed.
The end goal is to turn money-into-rubber-into-smoke, so that might be counter productive! :chuckle:
Although keeping a few sets of rear wheels and tires in the bed might kill two birds with one stone!
Buy a diesel, make smoke, and save on the rubber. :)
Post by: Angry Perch on February 21, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Add weight to the bed.
The end goal is to turn money-into-rubber-into-smoke, so that might be counter productive! :chuckle:
Although keeping a few sets of rear wheels and tires in the bed might kill two birds with one stone!
Buy a diesel, make smoke, and save on the rubber. :)
That stuff stinks!
Post by: Angry Perch on February 21, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
You may want to see if you can find a kit to replace the rear end with a 9" ford rearend kit. More expensive than you've stated, but strong and if you want to swap gear ratio's they're easier to deal with. I put one in a 68' elCamino, very happy with it
I can't ever see it hooking up well enough to blow through an 8.5" 10 bolt.
Post by: Thehowler on February 21, 2018, 03:57:42 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on February 21, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
Sounds like that local transmission guy got a big bone when you told him what you were doing. Sounds like a fun build project.
Ya, everything sounded great until he through out that number! I try not to come across as a guy that has fat stacks of cash, which is pretty easy when you don't have fat stacks of cash!
Here she is. Plan is to keep the look completely stock, with the possible exception of a very slight lowering.
Post by: Mudman on February 21, 2018, 04:21:39 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on February 21, 2018, 04:27:01 PM
Other is a Smeding Performance 383 rated at 400HP, 440TQ. They also use brand new GM blocks, and nothing re-manufactured.
Time (and $) will tell...
Post by: jdb on February 21, 2018, 04:57:02 PM
Post by: Skillet on February 21, 2018, 05:39:09 PM
What engine is coming out?
Post by: Stein on February 21, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
Post by: Thehowler on February 21, 2018, 07:33:08 PM
Don't even paint it and put an old canopy on it. That will make it all the sweeter when you blow the doors off all the imports puffing their chest these days.
Like it :chuckle:
Post by: Angry Perch on February 21, 2018, 10:38:18 PM
TCI has a street fighter 700R4 that will easily handle what you're doing for around $2k. :twocents: If they're still producing the same quality they were 20-ish years ago, I think you'd be happy.
What engine is coming out?
Navigating online reviews is a bitch. Website A says TCI Streetfighters are the bomb. Website B says they’re junk. It’s like listening to Ford/ Chevy guys. For the record, I have a Ford and a Chevy (well, GMC)!
Don't even paint it and put an old canopy on it. That will make it all the sweeter when you blow the doors off all the imports puffing their chest these days.
Oh, I have no intentions of painting it. Maybe some wider rims, but stock looking rally rims.
Post by: Angry Perch on February 21, 2018, 10:52:31 PM
TCI has a street fighter 700R4 that will easily handle what you're doing for around $2k. :twocents: If they're still producing the same quality they were 20-ish years ago, I think you'd be happy.
What engine is coming out?
305. It’s a real screamer!😳
Post by: runamuk on February 21, 2018, 11:03:50 PM
Hey dont knock a 305 they do grunt work just fine. But they arent go fast *censored*.TCI has a street fighter 700R4 that will easily handle what you're doing for around $2k. :twocents: If they're still producing the same quality they were 20-ish years ago, I think you'd be happy.
What engine is coming out?
305. It’s a real screamer!😳
Post by: Angry Perch on February 22, 2018, 08:06:48 AM
You gonna call out the 405 when it's done?
?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 22, 2018, 08:36:59 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on February 22, 2018, 08:40:26 AM
Look up, The Farm Truck...
I've watched the you tube videos of that thing pulling wheelies a hundred times!
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2018, 08:42:32 AM
Look up, The Farm Truck...
I've watched the you tube videos of that thing pulling wheelies a hundred times!
That's where the 405 reference comes from. Area code 405.
Post by: Angry Perch on February 22, 2018, 08:48:11 AM
Look up, The Farm Truck...
I've watched the you tube videos of that thing pulling wheelies a hundred times!
That's where the 405 reference comes from. Area code 405.
Ahh, got it!
Post by: Woodchuck on February 22, 2018, 08:51:28 AM
TCI makes good stuff, many many drag cars have TCI's in them.TCI has a street fighter 700R4 that will easily handle what you're doing for around $2k. :twocents: If they're still producing the same quality they were 20-ish years ago, I think you'd be happy.
What engine is coming out?
Navigating online reviews is a bitch. Website A says TCI Streetfighters are the bomb. Website B says they’re junk. It’s like listening to Ford/ Chevy guys. For the record, I have a Ford and a Chevy (well, GMC)!Don't even paint it and put an old canopy on it. That will make it all the sweeter when you blow the doors off all the imports puffing their chest these days.
Oh, I have no intentions of painting it. Maybe some wider rims, but stock looking rally rims.
Post by: Angry Perch on February 22, 2018, 09:01:57 AM
TCI makes good stuff, many many drag cars have TCI's in them.TCI has a street fighter 700R4 that will easily handle what you're doing for around $2k. :twocents: If they're still producing the same quality they were 20-ish years ago, I think you'd be happy.
What engine is coming out?
Navigating online reviews is a bitch. Website A says TCI Streetfighters are the bomb. Website B says they’re junk. It’s like listening to Ford/ Chevy guys. For the record, I have a Ford and a Chevy (well, GMC)!Don't even paint it and put an old canopy on it. That will make it all the sweeter when you blow the doors off all the imports puffing their chest these days.
Oh, I have no intentions of painting it. Maybe some wider rims, but stock looking rally rims.
Good to hear, and from somebody who actually does this stuff!
Post by: Skillet on February 22, 2018, 09:10:51 AM
TCI makes good stuff, many many drag cars have TCI's in them.TCI has a street fighter 700R4 that will easily handle what you're doing for around $2k. :twocents: If they're still producing the same quality they were 20-ish years ago, I think you'd be happy.
What engine is coming out?
Navigating online reviews is a bitch. Website A says TCI Streetfighters are the bomb. Website B says they’re junk. It’s like listening to Ford/ Chevy guys. For the record, I have a Ford and a Chevy (well, GMC)!Don't even paint it and put an old canopy on it. That will make it all the sweeter when you blow the doors off all the imports puffing their chest these days.
Oh, I have no intentions of painting it. Maybe some wider rims, but stock looking rally rims.
Plus you'll get a sticker. Your local rebuilder guy gonna give you a sticker??
Since this is not going to be a daily driver, another cost savings option is to ditch the 700R4 and go with a built TH350 for roughly half the money. Do you really need that overdrive gear for the extra money? You could likely sell that good running 700R4 for a pretty penny and get into a built th350 for peanuts. I thrashed the snot out of a TCI th350 with a pretty loose converter behind a stout small block. Held up for me, was happy with it.
Post by: Woodchuck on February 22, 2018, 09:21:28 AM
The stickers alone are worth 10hp a piece. :chuckle:TCI makes good stuff, many many drag cars have TCI's in them.TCI has a street fighter 700R4 that will easily handle what you're doing for around $2k. :twocents: If they're still producing the same quality they were 20-ish years ago, I think you'd be happy.
What engine is coming out?
Navigating online reviews is a bitch. Website A says TCI Streetfighters are the bomb. Website B says they’re junk. It’s like listening to Ford/ Chevy guys. For the record, I have a Ford and a Chevy (well, GMC)!Don't even paint it and put an old canopy on it. That will make it all the sweeter when you blow the doors off all the imports puffing their chest these days.
Oh, I have no intentions of painting it. Maybe some wider rims, but stock looking rally rims.
Plus you'll get a sticker. Your local rebuilder guy gonna give you a sticker??
Since this is not going to be a daily driver, another cost savings option is to ditch the 700R4 and go with a built TH350 for roughly half the money. Do you really need that overdrive gear for the extra money? You could likely sell that good running 700R4 for a pretty penny and get into a built th350 for peanuts. I thrashed the snot out of a TCI th350 with a pretty loose converter behind a stout small block. Held up for me, was happy with it.
Post by: Angry Perch on February 22, 2018, 09:21:35 AM
TCI makes good stuff, many many drag cars have TCI's in them.TCI has a street fighter 700R4 that will easily handle what you're doing for around $2k. :twocents: If they're still producing the same quality they were 20-ish years ago, I think you'd be happy.
What engine is coming out?
Navigating online reviews is a bitch. Website A says TCI Streetfighters are the bomb. Website B says they’re junk. It’s like listening to Ford/ Chevy guys. For the record, I have a Ford and a Chevy (well, GMC)!Don't even paint it and put an old canopy on it. That will make it all the sweeter when you blow the doors off all the imports puffing their chest these days.
Oh, I have no intentions of painting it. Maybe some wider rims, but stock looking rally rims.
Plus you'll get a sticker. Your local rebuilder guy gonna give you a sticker??
Since this is not going to be a daily driver, another cost savings option is to ditch the 700R4 and go with a built TH350 for roughly half the money. Do you really need that overdrive gear for the extra money? You could likely sell that good running 700R4 for a pretty penny and get into a built th350 for peanuts. I thrashed the snot out of a TCI th350 with a pretty loose converter behind a stout small block. Held up for me, was happy with it.
Yer damn right I want a sticker! And it comes with a chrome pan with a logo on it, you know, so the pizza faced kid in the pit at Oil Can Henry's can get all worked up. I've thought about switching it out, but the OD is nice on the highway, so if I ever want to go fishing in Alaska or something...
Post by: Skillet on February 22, 2018, 09:29:02 AM
You should go fishing in Alaska, I know a guy.
Post by: UBA on February 22, 2018, 11:22:43 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on February 22, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Keep the OD. Nothing sucks worse then cruising at 3500 r's on the highway all day long. Don't forget to look into a different stall converter. Check ebay for heads. Be careful on getting a DIY port and polish job. I like the 383 but its has a bit too much stroke for me. I like to wind them tight and listen to them scream. I would do a 327, duntov cam, best heads I could afford. 4 bolt main block. I hate trannys. They blow up no matter what when u push 500 HP thru them. I love projects like this,
I'm on the opposite end of the power band. I'd love a motor that I never need to take over 4500 RPM.
Post by: 724wd on February 22, 2018, 04:29:31 PM
I'd love a motor that I never need to take over 4500 RPM.
no you wouldn't!!!! :lol4: :lol4: If you like low revs, that's where the stinky diesels live! SPIN that crank baby!!! :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:
Post by: Angry Perch on February 23, 2018, 09:05:55 AM
I'd love a motor that I never need to take over 4500 RPM.
no you wouldn't!!!! :lol4: :lol4: If you like low revs, that's where the stinky diesels live! SPIN that crank baby!!! :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:
Ah, contraire mon frére! On the street, the vast majority of my time will be spent well under that.
Post by: Skillet on February 23, 2018, 09:20:30 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 23, 2018, 09:26:02 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on February 23, 2018, 09:34:12 AM
Of course, with the lower rpm range, I'm thinking "there's no replacement for displacement"... Since I'm building a big block for my own flatbed - should I build two?..we could do a nice streetable 454 for just north of $2k, or great pump gas 496 that will deliver at least 550 ft# of torque from 2000-5000 rpm (peaking over 600) for well under what a new SP383 goes for. :chuckle:
I've just got a thing for small blocks. I'm not sure why. I also hunt with a .243.
I guess I'm just not compensating...
Post by: Skillet on February 23, 2018, 09:35:01 AM
The world is moving to LS motors for a reason. They scream! Had a 425hp 350 small block chevy and LS crate motor just blows it away. Lighter too.
Those things are serious piwer producers, but have no soul. :twocents:
Post by: Skillet on February 23, 2018, 09:35:54 AM
Of course, with the lower rpm range, I'm thinking "there's no replacement for displacement"... Since I'm building a big block for my own flatbed - should I build two?..we could do a nice streetable 454 for just north of $2k, or great pump gas 496 that will deliver at least 550 ft# of torque from 2000-5000 rpm (peaking over 600) for well under what a new SP383 goes for. :chuckle:
I've just got a thing for small blocks. I'm not sure why. I also hunt with a .243.
I guess I'm just not compensating...
Roger that. My flatbed is very insecure. :chuckle:
Post by: Angry Perch on February 23, 2018, 09:38:30 AM
The world is moving to LS motors for a reason. They scream! Had a 425hp 350 small block chevy and LS crate motor just blows it away. Lighter too.
Those things are serious piwer producers, but have no soul. :twocents:
Zactly! I'm sure a new Tikka will outshoot my Model 70 too. I'm also pretty sure I'll never find out! :chuckle:
Post by: Woodchuck on February 23, 2018, 09:40:05 AM
You haven't ridden in the right LS rig yet. Let me know when you are back south. I know a guy. :chuckle:The world is moving to LS motors for a reason. They scream! Had a 425hp 350 small block chevy and LS crate motor just blows it away. Lighter too.
Those things are serious piwer producers, but have no soul. :twocents:
Post by: Angry Perch on February 23, 2018, 11:12:51 AM
(Keep that in mind if you draw me for the Hunt Wa gift exchange this year!)
Post by: Alchase on February 23, 2018, 02:31:51 PM
The world is moving to LS motors for a reason. They scream! Had a 425hp 350 small block chevy and LS crate motor just blows it away. Lighter too.
:yeah:
A Resto-Mod with new running gear and a LS6, if going big, go bigger, :whoo:
Post by: Angry Perch on February 23, 2018, 03:15:07 PM
The world is moving to LS motors for a reason. They scream! Had a 425hp 350 small block chevy and LS crate motor just blows it away. Lighter too.
:yeah:
A Resto-Mod with new running gear and a LS6, if going big, go bigger, :whoo:
You mean like this? :yike:
Post by: Alchase on February 23, 2018, 03:23:58 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 23, 2018, 04:10:19 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on February 27, 2018, 08:21:59 AM
Post by: Skillet on February 27, 2018, 09:31:02 AM
If you go non-lockup, you'll generate a bit more heat in OD, increase your RPM slightly, and lose a bit of MPG vs a non-lockup.
Did he cite any specific reasons for the non-lockup converter?
Post by: Angry Perch on February 27, 2018, 09:55:44 AM
Never owned one, but I know the guys I ran with ditched the lockup because of their weight. They are monsters. Anything you can do to lower the weight of the reciprocating mass will improve acceleration. I'm sure there's a reliability issue when you start making big power as well.
If you go non-lockup, you'll generate a bit more heat in OD, increase your RPM slightly, and lose a bit of MPG vs a non-lockup.
Did he cite any specific reasons for the non-lockup converter?
I have to call him back. I was on information overload! My number one concern is reliability.
Post by: Skillet on February 27, 2018, 10:03:37 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on February 27, 2018, 02:28:47 PM
Post by: dewandgin on February 27, 2018, 06:53:02 PM
Just finishing a 64 SWB with a 6.0 with a 4L65E and all computer controlled and will make almost 500 at the flywheel and my wife can drive it to the store or Olympia and get almost 20 mpg and will fry the tires through the first two gears easy.
Also have a 72 SWB that had a straight six and a three on the tree that now has a 454 and a TH400 that will fry the tires as long a I press on the loud pedal but it gets 6-8MPG and revs alot if I drive it 70mph but it is fun as hell to drive.
Def go with a o/d with lockup as it will keep the trans temps down and temp kills transmissions.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on February 27, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Add weight to the bed.:yeah:
Post by: Angry Perch on March 12, 2018, 11:24:30 AM
New radiator come in tomorrow.
Post by: Skillet on March 12, 2018, 11:25:51 AM
:tup:
Post by: Grit dog on May 21, 2018, 11:12:53 PM
Looks just like my dads last square body Chevy when I was a kid!
Post by: Angry Perch on May 22, 2018, 01:52:24 PM
Here's a little update:
Getting close to having everything I need in order to drop in the engine and transmission.
Bought a new aluminum radiator and B&M transmission cooler (will install with new engine so no old fluid)
Bought an Eaton Truetrac posi, Richmond 3.73 gears and all bearings. (Scheduled for install 6/5)
Installed a 1 3/8" front sway bar. Man what a difference!
Finished installing full Flowmaster exhaust system with Super 44s yesterday.
450HP/ 460TQ 383 Stroker and 700R4 transmission built to match should be here in 5-6 weeks.
Just need a few odds an ends, like tranny temp gauge and tach.
Post by: Skillet on May 22, 2018, 03:44:17 PM
You going to flog that 305 to death before you yank it? I've always wanted to zip tie the throttle open on one of those and start the timer...
Post by: Angry Perch on May 22, 2018, 04:18:47 PM
That thing is gonna haul some serious ash. Firewood.
You going to flog that 305 to death before you yank it? I've always wanted to zip tie the throttle open on one of those and start the timer...
I'ts been getting a fair amount of abuse already. I'll tell you this; 165 ponies does not do justice to 2 1/2" exhaust and a pair of Super 44s.
At this point I'm a total poser. Maybe I'll use it to build a blender for making daiquiris!
Post by: Jpmiller on May 22, 2018, 07:01:05 PM
That thing is gonna haul some serious ash. Firewood.
You going to flog that 305 to death before you yank it? I've always wanted to zip tie the throttle open on one of those and start the timer...
My mom tells a story of my old man trying to blow up the motor on an old Ford falcon he had after they finally bought a new car like this. Said after about ten minutes he gave up and drove it to her brother's house and sold it to him. He claims it was the longest the thing ever ran without breaking.
Sweet looking truck. Love those things that don't look like they move and then before you know it the things gone. All substance and no show.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on May 22, 2018, 08:58:05 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on August 01, 2018, 12:32:54 PM
Thanks!
Here's a little update:
Getting close to having everything I need in order to drop in the engine and transmission.
Bought a new aluminum radiator and B&M transmission cooler (will install with new engine so no old fluid)
Bought an Eaton Truetrac posi, Richmond 3.73 gears and all bearings. (Scheduled for install 6/5)
Installed a 1 3/8" front sway bar. Man what a difference!
Finished installing full Flowmaster exhaust system with Super 44s yesterday.
450HP/ 460TQ 383 Stroker and 700R4 transmission built to match should be here in 5-6 weeks.
Just need a few odds an ends, like tranny temp gauge and tach.
Well, all I have to say is 5-6 weeks my butt!
Motor is finally done, and pulled 453 HP and 473 Lb/Ft on the dyno this morning. Will ship, along with tranny, from Texas this week.
Post by: whacker1 on August 01, 2018, 05:51:08 PM
Post by: Skillet on August 14, 2018, 01:37:01 PM
That is yer classic, street/strip Gen1 SBC, right there. Excellent choice :tup:
Post by: Angry Perch on August 15, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
Wow man, that looks great. Impressive numbers. Really cool to see a Holley 3310 up there too.Ya, I'm pretty excited. But can someone please explain to my wife why nuclear burnouts are cool? She just doesn't get it!
That is yer classic, street/strip Gen1 SBC, right there. Excellent choice :tup:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 16, 2018, 05:44:32 AM
Post by: whacker1 on August 16, 2018, 05:53:58 AM
She might if you let her. Looking good!
yes, teach her to understand what a stroker can do.
Post by: Angry Perch on August 16, 2018, 10:31:43 AM
She might if you let her. Looking good!
yes, teach her to understand what a stroker can do.
I'll have to give her a lesson on using Line lock!
Post by: Alchase on August 16, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on August 16, 2018, 09:05:48 PM
Just do not ever let her see the receipt for "the" new set of tires, :peep:
I need a hookup at a tire shop to supply me with properly sized take-offs!
Post by: coachcw on August 17, 2018, 06:16:24 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on August 17, 2018, 08:14:24 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on August 17, 2018, 08:34:04 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 17, 2018, 08:36:40 AM
Post by: Buckmark on August 17, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
Any plans to ditch the rear bumper and do a roll pan, hard tonneau cover and put the spare in the bed?
Post by: Angry Perch on August 17, 2018, 09:44:15 AM
Nice :tup:
Any plans to ditch the rear bumper and do a roll pan, hard tonneau cover and put the spare in the bed?
No. I want to still give the impression that grandpa might be driving it. Maybe a bale of hay in the bed!
Post by: 724wd on August 17, 2018, 11:52:21 AM
Maybe a bale of hay in the bed!
make it straw... :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: Jpmiller on August 22, 2018, 06:49:09 AM
Nice :tup:
Any plans to ditch the rear bumper and do a roll pan, hard tonneau cover and put the spare in the bed?
No. I want to still give the impression that grandpa might be driving it. Maybe a bale of hay in the bed!
I'd back it into a brick wall and fold it under, really give it the sleeper look.
Post by: C-Money on August 22, 2018, 08:17:20 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 22, 2018, 08:25:58 AM
Nice :tup:
Any plans to ditch the rear bumper and do a roll pan, hard tonneau cover and put the spare in the bed?
No. I want to still give the impression that grandpa might be driving it. Maybe a bale of hay in the bed!
If that is the case, don't go any closer to the posted speed limit than 15 mph under every where except in town and keep one blinker and the high beams on at all times!
Post by: Angry Perch on August 22, 2018, 11:22:28 AM
Nice :tup:
Any plans to ditch the rear bumper and do a roll pan, hard tonneau cover and put the spare in the bed?
No. I want to still give the impression that grandpa might be driving it. Maybe a bale of hay in the bed!
If that is the case, don't go any closer to the posted speed limit than 15 mph under every where except in town and keep one blinker and the high beams on at all times!
:chuckle:
Post by: Angry Perch on September 10, 2018, 09:01:18 AM