Post by: N7XW on March 01, 2018, 04:27:54 PM
So, I'm asking if anyone has recommendations on which AR to get and compatibility with a bump stock. Is the Slide Fire Colt a good option or are there better ways to go?
TIA
Post by: Special T on March 01, 2018, 04:34:08 PM
I had a beverage with a military buddy of mine and we discussed Bump stocks. He told me about military studies/discussions they have had. In full auto, after the first 2 rounds it was a waste of ammo. Ironically the army is moving away from 3 rnd bursts back to full auto...
Semi auto is where it's at unless uncle Sam is paying for your ammo.
They may be a good investment, or they may be a bad one if they don't grandfather then in.
Lots of accessories I would rather have instead, or more ammo.
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Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 04:35:52 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 01, 2018, 04:38:19 PM
Post by: N7XW on March 01, 2018, 04:38:24 PM
Post by: Special T on March 01, 2018, 04:40:18 PM
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Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 04:43:02 PM
Yeah, I'm sure you guys are right, but still think it would be a kick. I don't know, maybe the novelty would wear off quickly.
Took me less than 5 minutes, buddy had one when they first came out. It's not like the real thing, you can't control it as well and it's a lot slower.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 01, 2018, 04:46:01 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 04:46:04 PM
Yeah, I'm sure you guys are right, but still think it would be a kick. I don't know, maybe the novelty would wear off quickly.
The good news is you can always make a nice coyote gun out of it once the giggle wears off
Post by: Special T on March 01, 2018, 04:57:26 PM
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Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2018, 05:14:55 PM
Quote
“Why am I a ‘no’ vote?” Senate Republican Leader Mark Schoesler asked. “Clearly this is the first gun seizure in the state of Washington, because if you are found in possession you are a felon.”
Republican Doug Ericksen argued that the ban on bump stocks would not stop a “crazy, psycho” person from committing a mass shooting. He also warned that the ban could lead to police entering the homes of otherwise law-abiding citizens to seize the devices.
“What you are doing is you are creating the ability for law enforcement to come into your home,” Ericksen said. “And you will not prevent any kind of activity like what happened in Las Vegas.”
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 05:30:16 PM
It's been amended and added too and it's sitting on Inslee's desk
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 01, 2018, 05:31:47 PM
Post by: brew on March 01, 2018, 05:38:25 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 05:38:59 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 01, 2018, 05:50:15 PM
Then again, I feel if you are allowed to own a firearm then you should be allowed to own a "Bump stock". We should give up nothing to the left. Give them "Bump stocks" and they will continue to nickel and dime you to nothing. It's all about the left, socialist, progressive agenda. They will use, abuse, twist reality, walk on the dead and spew nonsense to disarm this Nation.
Post by: Alchase on March 01, 2018, 06:04:05 PM
Full auto fire in over rated. Add a trinket and it is about worthless.
Except for covering fire on egress, I would agree.
Post by: brew on March 01, 2018, 06:08:01 PM
Yeah, I'm sure you guys are right, but still think it would be a kick. I don't know, maybe the novelty would wear off quickly.hey if you want to try one out let me know...i have a range behind the house and you can shoot mine if you want...better use it before i have to get rid of it
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 01, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Full auto fire in over rated. Add a trinket and it is about worthless.
Except for covering fire on egress, I would agree.
You have a point but as of lately my breaking contacts have been less climatic.👍
Post by: Alchase on March 01, 2018, 06:20:06 PM
Full auto fire in over rated. Add a trinket and it is about worthless.
Except for covering fire on egress, I would agree.
You have a point but as of lately my breaking contacts have been less climatic.👍
LMAO!
Thankfully You make a great point!
I don't see my wife and I leap froggin anytime soon :chuckle:
I am not up on the up and coming WA law on bump stocks, how do they handle those who already legally bought one?
Post by: hunter399 on March 01, 2018, 06:22:41 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 06:23:13 PM
Full auto fire in over rated. Add a trinket and it is about worthless.
Except for covering fire on egress, I would agree.
You have a point but as of lately my breaking contacts have been less climatic.👍
LMAO!
Thankfully You make a great point!
I don't see my wife and I leap froggin anytime soon :chuckle:
I am not up on the up and coming WA law on bump stocks, how do they handle those who already legally bought one?
This line of thinking leads me to think that we're weighing the 2nd amendment on a scale of whats useful or not in a civilian setting.
The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting, or sporting or whats useful or not, it's about a well regulated militia having access to weapons 'of a common use' so the gooberment doesn't go all tyrannosaurus on us sheeps.
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 01, 2018, 06:29:13 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 06:33:11 PM
Or did the word "Militia" trigger you? Ya, it's not really a dirty word like you've been trained think when you hear it. It's been ruined by "mall ninja's" but it's still a legal concept in our constitution.
Post by: hunter399 on March 01, 2018, 06:38:36 PM
http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/local/washington-legislature-passes-bump-stock-ban/281-523863238
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/washington-legislature-passes-bump-stock-ban/
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: N7XW on March 01, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 01, 2018, 07:05:17 PM
Full auto fire in over rated. Add a trinket and it is about worthless.
Except for covering fire on egress, I would agree.
You have a point but as of lately my breaking contacts have been less climatic.👍
LMAO!
Thankfully You make a great point!
I don't see my wife and I leap froggin anytime soon :chuckle:
I am not up on the up and coming WA law on bump stocks, how do they handle those who already legally bought one?
This line of thinking leads me to think that we're weighing the 2nd amendment on a scale of whats useful or not in a civilian setting.
The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting, or sporting or whats useful or not, it's about a well regulated militia having access to weapons 'of a common use' so the gooberment doesn't go all tyrannosaurus on us sheeps.
If your going to quote me, quote me in my entirety. Don't spin it like the Mueller Investigation. Thanks👍
The part you left out in my post.
"Then again, I feel if you are allowed to own a firearm then you should be allowed to own a "Bump stock". We should give up nothing to the left. Give them "Bump stocks" and they will continue to nickel and dime you to nothing. It's all about the left, socialist, progressive agenda. They will use, abuse, twist reality, walk on the dead and spew nonsense to disarm this Nation. "
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
Post by: JL on March 01, 2018, 07:10:31 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 01, 2018, 07:15:18 PM
Never had a use for a bump stock but it's going to be a snowball effect... which reminds me I need to buy some more 30rnd mags.
Post by: hunter399 on March 01, 2018, 07:18:39 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 01, 2018, 07:18:52 PM
I quoted Alchase, yell at him for partially quoting you.
Haha! Who's yelling? Thought my 10 year old daughter was the only one being sensative this evening.
Post by: hunter399 on March 01, 2018, 07:33:53 PM
I need to read the proposed law I guess. If you buy one before they are banned, will it be illegal to own it after the ban is initiated? Or will they be grandfathered in?
From the way I read it no grandfather law,felony offence,same charge as having a machine gun,short barrel rifle or shotgun,any gun that has a bump fire stock on it will be confiscated too.
You can read it here I may be wrong.
http://apps2.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5992&Year=2017&BillNumber=5992&Year=2017
Post by: KFhunter on March 01, 2018, 07:45:21 PM
I think it'll fail a constitutional challenge per previous SCOTUS rulings but who wants to go first?
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 01, 2018, 08:01:45 PM
ya, it's pretty serious.
I think it'll fail a constitutional challenge per previous SCOTUS rulings but who wants to go first?
If one wants to go down that road. Best have some deep pockets.😃
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 01, 2018, 08:11:41 PM
It's been ruined by "mall ninja's" but it's still a legal concept in our constitution.
Real talk. If we, as mature responsible adults want to have access to high power weaponry, we have to police ourselves. That's the only way it works.
The gun industry has made one terrible error. It aligned itself with entertainment. The .44 mag was silly nonsense until Dirty Harry made it famous. The Desert Eagle was silly nonsense until a hundred movies made it the ultimate hand cannon. The gun shop I bought my first few guns was decorated wall to wall with movie posters of muscular heroes holding very specific, available guns. It got worse post 2000, when actual weapon manufacturers started sponsoring video games like Nikon sponsoring a movie about photographers.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a gamer. I've shot hundreds of thousands of digital Nazis right in their stupid Nazi faces. I love violent video games and I'll never stop playing them. But actual weapon manufacturers sponsor these games, and advertise within them, that's insane.
Let's get real. The more antisocial, pre-diabetic yahoos who can walk in off the street and buy AR's... It's only a matter of time before we lose them too.
Post by: Alchase on March 01, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
It's been ruined by "mall ninja's" but it's still a legal concept in our constitution.
Real talk. If we, as mature responsible adults want to have access to high power weaponry, we have to police ourselves. That's the only way it works.
The gun industry has made one terrible error. It aligned itself with entertainment. The .44 mag was silly nonsense until Dirty Harry made it famous. The Desert Eagle was silly nonsense until a hundred movies made it the ultimate hand cannon. The gun shop I bought my first few guns was decorated wall to wall with movie posters of muscular heroes holding very specific, available guns. It got worse post 2000, when actual weapon manufacturers started sponsoring video games like Nikon sponsoring a movie about photographers.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a gamer. I've shot hundreds of thousands of digital Nazis right in their stupid Nazi faces. I love violent video games and I'll never stop playing them. But actual weapon manufacturers sponsor these games, and advertise within them, that's insane.
Let's get real. The more antisocial, pre-diabetic yahoos who can walk in off the street and buy AR's... It's only a matter of time before we lose them too.
That is just excuses for one of the two Political party who feels the need to control us smurfs.
If they were honest, they would admit, not one control law they have passed or attempted to pass, would do a dang thing to stop criminals being criminals.
Post by: N7XW on March 01, 2018, 09:18:24 PM
I need to read the proposed law I guess. If you buy one before they are banned, will it be illegal to own it after the ban is initiated? Or will they be grandfathered in?
From the way I read it no grandfather law,felony offence,same charge as having a machine gun,short barrel rifle or shotgun,any gun that has a bump fire stock on it will be confiscated too.
You can read it here I may be wrong.
http://apps2.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5992&Year=2017&BillNumber=5992&Year=2017
Well if that is the case maybe ill go with a regular ole AR15, no bump stock. Or just get yet another deer rifle :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 01, 2018, 09:23:42 PM
I went with a collector to a Bellevue shop to help pick up a "call of duty" package once. It was all the guns used in the game. They were selling out fast because the guys from Microsoft rush in there to buy up anything featured in a game.It's been ruined by "mall ninja's" but it's still a legal concept in our constitution.
Real talk. If we, as mature responsible adults want to have access to high power weaponry, we have to police ourselves. That's the only way it works.
The gun industry has made one terrible error. It aligned itself with entertainment. The .44 mag was silly nonsense until Dirty Harry made it famous. The Desert Eagle was silly nonsense until a hundred movies made it the ultimate hand cannon. The gun shop I bought my first few guns was decorated wall to wall with movie posters of muscular heroes holding very specific, available guns. It got worse post 2000, when actual weapon manufacturers started sponsoring video games like Nikon sponsoring a movie about photographers.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a gamer. I've shot hundreds of thousands of digital Nazis right in their stupid Nazi faces. I love violent video games and I'll never stop playing them. But actual weapon manufacturers sponsor these games, and advertise within them, that's insane.
Let's get real. The more antisocial, pre-diabetic yahoos who can walk in off the street and buy AR's... It's only a matter of time before we lose them too.
Post by: JL on March 02, 2018, 12:12:48 AM
Post by: JL on March 02, 2018, 12:34:55 AM
I think it's absolutely distasteful of you to go out of your way to identify people from this company, and basically suggest, they're some relation to these "digital Nazis." Correct me if I'm wrong, but they never went out and did anything illegal to your knowledge, correct? But, now they're weird... because, we are... you know... "real talk" right now.
Most of the guys that I served with overseas, who never came home, were taken out by IED's. Word over there though, was that local insurgents got fired up by all sorts of board games and radio broadcasts focusing on flip phones, wires, and creative ordnance. Give me a break. Get real.
Post by: JeffRaines on March 02, 2018, 12:42:42 AM
How often do people come on here and complain about idiots at shooting ranges? I've seen it personally, people flagging others, shooting while people are downrange, someone using their scope to glass with... no safe handling whatsoever. I'll say it and rustle some jimmies - these idiots shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. Some people are just too stupid and irresponsible. For some reason, some people can't look in the mirror and admit to themselves that maybe, just maybe they need to take safety more seriously... or maybe they just shouldn't own guns. Then you've got the guys trashing the woods, I guess thats for another discussion...
My point is we're sitting here complaining about how they're trying to pass laws to make it harder to buy a firearm - and trying to stop it... when we've got idiots running around making us look like... idiots. Every person you know that does this is just giving them more ammunition. Same with lands being closed up to public use, every idiot leaving their trash around just makes it worse for the rest of us. I don't really want more government oversight, but I also don't want to risk some retard shooting me. Its a catch 22.
Post by: JL on March 02, 2018, 12:50:25 AM
Post by: JeffRaines on March 02, 2018, 12:56:07 AM
Post by: JL on March 02, 2018, 01:11:24 AM
All I'm saying is that the "ought a be a law against that" approach isn't American, IMO (and certainly not Northwestern IMO, historically). There are existing laws in place to enforce gun issues. These have not been enforced. While I believe they should be, the issue is man. In parts of Europe where guns are, for the most part, illegal, the criminal element has turned to knives. These are also highly regulated. Despite this, people are shivved every day. Bombs are illegal, but they go off in churches, temples, and mosques, around the world every day.
Post by: JL on March 02, 2018, 01:41:02 AM
Before I close out, I also wanted to add the following...
To me, a firearm is just another tool. I'm not scared of them. I do not feel like any of them are some sort of a "dark" object. According to you, Jimmy, and minimus, that's how we're supposed to feel and respond to them? That was my interpretation and that's where I'm coming from.
Post by: SGTDuffman on March 02, 2018, 05:28:50 AM
I've been on a bit of rifle buying spree lately...and am now looking at getting an AR15 with a bump stock (before they are illegal). I'm looking at the Slide Fire Colt LE6920 but really don't know that much about AR's except for using an M16A1 in ROTC many years ago.
So, I'm asking if anyone has recommendations on which AR to get and compatibility with a bump stock. Is the Slide Fire Colt a good option or are there better ways to go?
TIA
Don’t bother buying a bump stock. The possession of them is being banned. You have to turn them in or become a criminal, at least until any legal challenges get that changed. They’re planning to offer people “up to $150” to buy back your $400 bump stock, so... unless you’re looking to take a bath on one, I’d avoid it all together.
Post by: N7XW on March 02, 2018, 07:23:01 AM
I've been on a bit of rifle buying spree lately...and am now looking at getting an AR15 with a bump stock (before they are illegal). I'm looking at the Slide Fire Colt LE6920 but really don't know that much about AR's except for using an M16A1 in ROTC many years ago.
So, I'm asking if anyone has recommendations on which AR to get and compatibility with a bump stock. Is the Slide Fire Colt a good option or are there better ways to go?
TIA
Don’t bother buying a bump stock. The possession of them is being banned. You have to turn them in or become a criminal, at least until any legal challenges get that changed. They’re planning to offer people “up to $150” to buy back your $400 bump stock, so... unless you’re looking to take a bath on one, I’d avoid it all together.
Understood. That's what I'm now thinking too.
Post by: Special T on March 02, 2018, 09:11:07 AM
We should be! It’s rediculous the amount of idiots on the road today, I’d be all for having to retake your drivers exam every other renewal. Sounds like a fair deal for the privilege of driving 3500lbs of steel around... but that’s another discussion.3500 lbs? That it? I had more than that in the back of my pickup truck the other day!
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Post by: Special T on March 02, 2018, 09:15:58 AM
Since they are both gun owners we know that they have more in common with pro gun folks, so while we can disagree on principle what kinds of things can be done?
Education and outreach are 2 areas that are longer term investments but still allow us to keep our principles intact. 2c
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 02, 2018, 09:34:21 AM
And Jimmy, what things have you purchased or "used" because they were made aware to you by an outside source? Anything on this forum? Maybe?Didn't say I didn't approve of them selling. So, you did read it wrong. I'm fine with them selling whatever is legal to whoever is legal. I'm just agreeing (one of those rare times) with mags that I have seen how video games drive a fairly strong demand for certain guns, enough so to change up the store a bit. It was kind of a weird day when guys were coming in and calling constantly to try to get a SCAR or PS90 "just like in the game".
I think it's absolutely distasteful of you to go out of your way to identify people from this company, and basically suggest, they're some relation to these "digital Nazis." Correct me if I'm wrong, but they never went out and did anything illegal to your knowledge, correct? But, now they're weird... because, we are... you know... "real talk" right now.
Most of the guys that I served with overseas, who never came home, were taken out by IED's. Word over there though, was that local insurgents got fired up by all sorts of board games and radio broadcasts focusing on flip phones, wires, and creative ordnance. Give me a break. Get real.
Post by: TheHunt on March 02, 2018, 02:52:50 PM
Post by: N7XW on March 02, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
I know someone who has a 3D print file to print the bump stocks. If he prints out about 10 of them he can make some money. :dunno:Guess it depends on the upcoming law(s).