Post by: dirty.dan4 on March 10, 2009, 08:25:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 10, 2009, 08:29:37 PM
modified may be too opened up. might work ok though too. typically you want a tighter patterning choke like a full. turkey chokes are even tighter than full.
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Post by: MuleyontheWall on March 10, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
Post by: dirty.dan4 on March 10, 2009, 08:42:57 PM
Post by: dirty.dan4 on March 10, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 10, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
http://www.choketube.com/
tell them what ammo you plan to shoot and what gun you have and they will point you in the right direction for a choke. carlsons chokes are $30-40 and are real good quality.
recurve...can you shoot it accurately? IMO it is incredibly difficult to get drawn on a turkey without getting busted unless you have a ground blind. they're not easy to kill with a bow at all.
Post by: dirty.dan4 on March 10, 2009, 08:56:38 PM
Post by: fishunt247 on March 10, 2009, 09:27:18 PM
Post by: NWTFhunter on March 10, 2009, 09:41:22 PM
Chokes, you shouldnt really use anything less than a full and I suggest a extra full.
What type of shotgun are you using ?
Archery, you should use a good broad head. I have good and bad about the Guiletine (sp)
Camo. Simple Head to Toe ! As other have stated, turkeys have some of the best vision there is and will spot you Fast !
Calls, not sure how much experience you have with a diaphram but they are the best if you know how to use them.
A box, slate, or push button take experience as well. I have advised that you get yourself a good cd that teaches how to call. Let me search for a good one for you.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 10, 2009, 09:58:29 PM
Post by: MuleyontheWall on March 10, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
Just to confirm on the chokes and the ammo. Does differnt brands of ammo pattern differnt with the same style choke?
Yes, you can shoot two different types of ammo through the same gun and choke and get two totally different results.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on March 10, 2009, 10:01:15 PM
Post by: dirty.dan4 on March 10, 2009, 10:01:39 PM
Post by: NWTFhunter on March 10, 2009, 10:03:59 PM
This excact same ammo wont patter with crap in my buddys 935 ! But Win works well. It takes a lot of shooting to find what works the best. And sadly most guys dont spend that much time and effort to fiind what works best.
Post by: NWTFhunter on March 10, 2009, 10:07:34 PM
Post by: MuleyontheWall on March 10, 2009, 10:07:50 PM
Post by: dirty.dan4 on March 10, 2009, 10:16:00 PM
Dan, there is some good info avail at the Cabelas calling seminar.. I would suggest you check it out if you can make it.I will try to make it. Thanks
Post by: Gutpile on March 10, 2009, 10:23:08 PM
Post by: Gutpile on March 10, 2009, 10:25:40 PM
Post by: MuleyontheWall on March 10, 2009, 10:26:38 PM
Post by: Gutpile on March 10, 2009, 10:31:13 PM
Good luck.
Post by: MuleyontheWall on March 10, 2009, 10:37:55 PM
Post by: Gutpile on March 10, 2009, 10:41:54 PM
My buddies benelli did pretty good with 5's. My BPS and CZ SxS wont shoot anything but 6 though.
Post by: fishunt247 on March 10, 2009, 10:45:10 PM
Mule, I have the jellyhead for my Benelli SBE II. I had it for my Nova too before I sold that gun. In both guns the federal heavyweight (like their hevishot) patterned horribly. So did the flightcontrol. I patterned Hevishot 6's with minimal success too. My best patterns came from the Winchester Supreme 3" #6s. I know they are far cheaper than hevishot and heavyweight, but they pattern a lot better than those two loads out of my gun.
Post by: NWTFhunter on March 10, 2009, 10:50:16 PM
Any of you new guys confused yet......LOL.
Post by: MuleyontheWall on March 11, 2009, 06:43:00 AM
Post by: Intruder on March 11, 2009, 08:00:11 AM
Don't over look lead though.
Very good point. I've had extremely good luck with great patterns and killing abality with the Win High Velocity loads.... 3 1/2" 2oz 6s in my 835 Moss. Very nice patterns from 10-40 with max range of about 45.
Post by: turkey slayer on March 11, 2009, 08:07:23 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 11, 2009, 08:34:09 AM
i also have a carlsons tube i was using too...can't remember the restriction right off hand, but it worked pretty well too with the same loads.
Post by: dirty.dan4 on March 11, 2009, 10:17:25 AM
Dirty Dan, what SxS do you hunt with? I just patterned mine and got some great results. What are you shooting? I may be able to point you in the right direction. Shot / chokes/ etc.
I hunt with a CZ Bobwhite 3inch 12 gauge. I have a full choke already
Post by: Gutpile on March 11, 2009, 10:50:36 AM
Also the CZ takes standard Benelli/Beretta chokes. Took me a while to figure that one out.
Post by: jackelope on March 11, 2009, 10:52:51 AM
Post by: Gutpile on March 11, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
Post by: Intruder on March 11, 2009, 11:06:08 AM
I am shooting #5 nitro turkey loads out of my charles daly gun through a primo's jelly head and that combo patterns well out to 50 yards. i won't shoot past 40, but it works beyond.
i also have a carlsons tube i was using too...can't remember the restriction right off hand, but it worked pretty well too with the same loads.
Mine is a Carlson too and it seems to have a real nice blend of short and long range capability. It was also dirt cheap... like 25 bucks. Shoots heavy shot darn tood too.
I'm surprised by how many folks I've seen on here that shoot 5s. Out of all the guns I've seen patterned (literally dozens) only 2 guns shot better with shot sizes bigger than 6s. One of my buddies shoots 3 1/2", 2 1/4oz 4s Remington shells out of is Rem 11-87 with a Rem turkey choke. It patterns 6s, 5s and 4s almost identically out to 45 yards. Another guy I know shot 3 1/2", 2 1/4oz 4s in Federal shells in an 835 with a comp-n-choke that patterned 4s great out to 45.
Guessing that in 60% of the guns I've seen, 6s are far superior... delivering probably 30-40% more hits at 45 yards. For the others (aside from the 2 above) the incease was probably in the neighborhood of 20-25%. Interesting note: at 35 yards it doesn't matter. You don't really start to see any real seperation until you get out to about 38 then about every 2 yards you can see the differences start to become more and more aparent. :twocents:
Post by: Gutpile on March 11, 2009, 11:13:34 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 11, 2009, 11:17:02 AM
i will be shooting an 870 this year, so i will be re-patterning, but the chokes are the same so i will have a couple to experiment with already in the safe. i will have to try some 6's. i think i'm due for another box or 3 of ammo.
Post by: Phantom Gobbler on March 11, 2009, 12:48:51 PM
My back-up shells (2nd or third shot if needed) are Hevishot No. 4's in 3.5 in., 1 3/4 oz. I have only needed these once to finish the second bird of a double my hunting partner and I had last year in NE WA! :)
Post by: Intruder on March 11, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
I have had good luck with Fiocchi Golden Turkey Thunder Loads No. 6's in 3.5 in., 2 3/8 oz. These shells are a good value, but they kick hard in my 935 Mossberg when sighting in my shotgun.
Agreed. I've shot these too and killed birds with em. My 835 seems to like pretty much any 6s. Prolly likes the 3 1/2" 2oz Hi Vel Wins the best though.
Post by: MuleyontheWall on March 11, 2009, 04:28:52 PM
Post by: Intruder on March 12, 2009, 07:59:03 AM
I've been using the nitro turkey in our two 870s..Thats what patterned best in the girlfriends new 870..and this is just my :twocents: but it does put a lot of shot on target but I dont think it hits very hard..was trying to find something that patterned as well but hit harder..
Not sure what you mean by hit harder? It's 90% about pattern density. Remember, you're not trying to break wings or penetrate the breast of the bird, you're trying to shot his head off. At 40 yards and in (prolly more like 50 but lets no go there), any of the the modern "Turkey Loads" put out by the major manufacturers are gonna kill birds if you're gun puts enough pellets in the kill zone. If you can average 8 or more shot holes in the head/neck when you pattern, you're gonna have a dead bird if you do your part.
Post by: Wacenturion on March 12, 2009, 09:34:36 AM
Typical Shot Spread Per Choke
Choke Yards
10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50
Full 10" 15" 20" 25" 30" 35" 40" 45" 50"
Mod.15" 20" 25" 30" 35" 40" 45" 50"
I/C 20" 25" 30" 35" 40" 45" 50"
Cyl. 25" 30" 35" 40" 45" 50"
Post by: MuleyontheWall on March 12, 2009, 06:53:10 PM
I've been using the nitro turkey in our two 870s..Thats what patterned best in the girlfriends new 870..and this is just my :twocents: but it does put a lot of shot on target but I dont think it hits very hard..was trying to find something that patterned as well but hit harder..
Not sure what you mean by hit harder? It's 90% about pattern density. Remember, you're not trying to break wings or penetrate the breast of the bird, you're trying to shot his head off. At 40 yards and in (prolly more like 50 but lets no go there), any of the the modern "Turkey Loads" put out by the major manufacturers are gonna kill birds if you're gun puts enough pellets in the kill zone. If you can average 8 or more shot holes in the head/neck when you pattern, you're gonna have a dead bird if you do your part.
Just trying to get the best of both worlds..Theres no reason to not atleast try..Gives us a reason to go out shooting more, but for the record I do agree with you that its about getting pellets on target but why not try to get better impact as well? I'd much rather roll the bird then have him flop around for a minute or two...
Also...Im not bashing NitroTurkey..Bought some 3 1/2s #5 today to also try out with everything else...