Post by: nwhunter on March 11, 2009, 07:51:32 AM
Post by: jdb on March 11, 2009, 07:59:00 AM
Post by: woodswalker on March 11, 2009, 08:22:06 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 11, 2009, 08:23:14 AM
It's got the 6" barrel and it's accurate as well as VERY light to carry.
Post by: Intruder on March 11, 2009, 08:29:54 AM
taurus titanium .357
It's got the 6" barrel and it's accurate as well as VERY light to carry.
I have a 4" 41 Mag in the same gun. Got it specifically for the purpose you're asking about. Not claiming it's the best wheel gun ever made but the titanium trackers are a heck of a gun for packing. I believe Smith has a titatium 44 now too.
Post by: thinkingman on March 11, 2009, 10:02:06 AM
I have the Ti Tracker in 45acp.taurus titanium .357
It's got the 6" barrel and it's accurate as well as VERY light to carry.
I have a 4" 41 Mag in the same gun. Got it specifically for the purpose you're asking about. Not claiming it's the best wheel gun ever made but the titanium trackers are a heck of a gun for packing. I believe Smith has a titatium 44 now too.
Light, weatherproof, accurate.
4" barrel is optimum for open carry.
5 rounds of 45 acp is good to go.
BTW, some of the Ti Trackers are ported, some are not.
This influenced my decision (ports are LOUD)
Post by: Intruder on March 11, 2009, 10:48:59 AM
BTW, some of the Ti Trackers are ported, some are not.
This influenced my decision (ports are LOUD)
Mine is and you're right. Hopefully if I miss the sound will scare the crap out of whatever is hasslin me :chuckle:
Post by: jdb on March 11, 2009, 10:56:17 AM
If I do...it will be my Ruger BlackHawk 4-5/8 in .45 Colt. With a 250 grain Keith at 1100 fps that will put paid to any critter that is a problem.my go to gun for years was the samething with the 7 1\2 barrel great gun. I will someday own one with the 4 5/8" for outdoor carry I think your about as well armed as a man can be.
Post by: satchel3006 on March 11, 2009, 11:32:31 AM
Post by: mossback91 on March 11, 2009, 11:33:57 AM
Post by: rasbo on March 11, 2009, 11:35:03 AM
Post by: mossback91 on March 11, 2009, 11:38:22 AM
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It may just go in my pack at times but would be nice to have for a chance encounter with a bear cougar or wolf.
Just noticed this yer gonna need atleast a 44 mag for them if not a 500 S&W
Post by: hoytem on March 11, 2009, 12:28:40 PM
Post by: remington300mag on March 11, 2009, 12:56:47 PM
Post by: hoytem on March 11, 2009, 01:03:48 PM
Post by: CP on March 11, 2009, 01:08:37 PM
ok nevermind just read it on wdfw's website, so because it was proposed does that mean it's passed?
It’s pretty much a done deal now.
Post by: CP on March 11, 2009, 01:09:34 PM
Post by: HawkenBob on March 11, 2009, 01:24:53 PM
ruger sp101 357 2inch stainless
:yeah:
Post by: hoytem on March 11, 2009, 02:13:25 PM
Post by: woodswalker on March 11, 2009, 07:46:55 PM
If I do...it will be my Ruger BlackHawk 4-5/8 in .45 Colt. With a 250 grain Keith at 1100 fps that will put paid to any critter that is a problem.my go to gun for years was the samething with the 7 1\2 barrel great gun. I will someday own one with the 4 5/8" for outdoor carry I think your about as well armed as a man can be.
After a small problem with feral dogs a few years ago...I was armed with a single shot .410 and a .22 revolver...that was a BAD deal. I've carried the .45 Ruger ever since if i didnt have a repeating rifle and sometimes even then.
Post by: gasman on March 11, 2009, 08:41:42 PM
Post by: GrouseBane on March 11, 2009, 10:20:54 PM
Post by: woodswalker on March 11, 2009, 10:26:30 PM
Those sit on a stout charge of 2400 and have never let me down. Took a near deer with one once...penetrated from the brisket, through the sternum, heart, gut, L ham and exited out the back of the ham....I figure that is enough penetration. Also my BH has a steel gripframe and ejector housing...its hefty!
ANd I dont get a third eye! :yike:
Post by: superdown on March 12, 2009, 08:45:15 AM
Post by: woodswalker on March 12, 2009, 08:59:42 AM
Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 09:33:47 AM
If its bow and ML season and its now legal to carry a sidearm, caliber and size will not matter in the least to any enforcment? Even if it's 4 or more you still cannont use it to hunt or dispatch during these seasons.
Legal for open carry in the field? All guns are legal for open carry in the field? There also legal to conceal in the field. Without a permit. You mean legal for hunting with I presume??? And in that case, see above.
Beside's, mines always under the coat or SOB if its hot. Mr. enforcment wont even know its there.
Most of the guns here dont fall into the lightweight catagory. If you want true high power and lightweight, you'll opt for a lightweight Ti model in 357, 41, 44 or 45 LC loaded hot. Even a 40 cal is pretty good for creatures under 400 pounds. Hot loads and light guns dont always mix. As well, I've locked up Taurus's with loads that shot fine out of my Super redhawk. Even warped a cylinder.
If your gonna load on the hotside, quality and strength count.
Post by: superdown on March 12, 2009, 09:45:42 AM
Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 09:47:24 AM
Its a RCW. On your way to or from the range, hunting, fishing or camping or while doing that activity...
Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 09:50:59 AM
Check out all the laws pertaining to WA and guns.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41
Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
(1) Marshals, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens or their deputies, or other law enforcement officers of this state or another state;
(2) Members of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard or organized reserves, when on duty;
(3) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed pistol;
(4) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of the person, if possessing, using, or carrying a pistol in the usual or ordinary course of the business;
(5) Regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive pistols from the United States or from this state;
(6) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of target shooting, when those members are at or are going to or from their places of target practice;
(7) Regularly enrolled members of clubs organized for the purpose of modern and antique firearm collecting, when those members are at or are going to or from their collector's gun shows and exhibits;
(8) Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;
(9) Any person while carrying a pistol unloaded and in a closed opaque case or secure wrapper; or
(10) Law enforcement officers retired for service or physical disabilities, except for those law enforcement officers retired because of mental or stress-related disabilities. This subsection applies only to a retired officer who has: (a) Obtained documentation from a law enforcement agency within Washington state from which he or she retired that is signed by the agency's chief law enforcement officer and that states that the retired officer was retired for service or physical disability; and (b) not been convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity of a crime making him or her ineligible for a concealed pistol license.
[2005 c 453 § 3; 1998 c 253 § 2; 1996 c 295 § 5; 1995 c 392 § 1; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 406; 1961 c 124 § 5; 1935 c 172 § 6; RRS § 2516-6.]
Notes:
Severability -- 2005 c 453: See note following RCW 9.41.040.
Finding -- Intent -- Severability -- 1994 sp.s. c 7: See notes following RCW 43.70.540.
Effective date -- 1994 sp.s. c 7 §§ 401-410, 413-416, 418-437, and 439-460: See note following RCW 9.41.010.
Post by: superdown on March 12, 2009, 10:00:03 AM
Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 10:04:23 AM
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
And this is 9.41.050.
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
(b) Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so. Any violation of this subsection (1)(b) shall be a class 1 civil infraction under chapter 7.80 RCW and shall be punished accordingly pursuant to chapter 7.80 RCW and the infraction rules for courts of limited jurisdiction.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(3)(a) A person at least eighteen years of age who is in possession of an unloaded pistol shall not leave the unloaded pistol in a vehicle unless the unloaded pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(4) Nothing in this section permits the possession of firearms illegal to possess under state or federal law.
[2003 c 53 § 28; 1997 c 200 § 1; 1996 c 295 § 4; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 405; 1982 1st ex.s. c 47 § 3; 1961 c 124 § 4; 1935 c 172 § 5; RRS § 2516-5.]
Notes:
Intent -- Effective date -- 2003 c 53: See notes following RCW 2.48.180.
Finding -- Intent -- Severability -- 1994 sp.s. c 7: See notes following RCW 43.70.540.
Effective date -- 1994 sp.s. c 7 §§ 401-410, 413-416, 418-437, and 439-460: See note following RCW 9.41.010.
Severability -- 1982 1st ex.s. c 47: See note following RCW 9.41.190.
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Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 10:05:00 AM
Post by: superdown on March 12, 2009, 10:10:59 AM
Post by: hoytem on March 12, 2009, 10:20:47 AM
Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 10:23:26 AM
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
(b) Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so. Any violation of this subsection (1)(b) shall be a class 1 civil infraction under chapter 7.80 RCW and shall be punished accordingly pursuant to chapter 7.80 RCW and the infraction rules for courts of limited jurisdiction.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(3)(a) A person at least eighteen years of age who is in possession of an unloaded pistol shall not leave the unloaded pistol in a vehicle unless the unloaded pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(4) Nothing in this section permits the possession of firearms illegal to possess under state or federal law.
Now the exception to the rules....
RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:
bla bla bla...
Post by: superdown on March 12, 2009, 10:35:51 AM
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Here is the rcw on carry. Notice they say concealed in all aspects.
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall NOT carry a pistol concealed on his or her person WITHOUT a license to carry a concealed pistol.
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Any person engaging in a lawful outdoor recreational activity such as hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, or horseback riding, only if, considering all of the attendant circumstances, including but not limited to whether the person has a valid hunting or fishing license, it is reasonable to conclude that the person is participating in lawful outdoor activities or is traveling to or from a legitimate outdoor recreation area;This is my point these articles state the complete opposite of what your trying to get across. besides it still doesn't say concealed in the RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.
Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 11:01:55 AM
60 is the exception to the laws in 50 only as stated. Not its own law. 50 clearly states "concealed".
Meaning in the exceptions stated in 60 you can carry concealed without a permit if any of the exceptions apply to you or your activities as stated in 60.
Its confusing maybe, but I can assure you its completly true.
So if your not licenced, you can only carry concealed at home or biz, without a permit as in your example in 1a.
RCW 60 say's, if your going outdoor, you can 50 dosent pertain, meaning no CWP needed to carry concealed. Its an exception to having to have a CWP only. Just like it states.
Post by: superdown on March 12, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
Post by: HawkenBob on March 12, 2009, 11:08:08 AM
I've always been amased though at how many don't know this little exception. we all need to know...
Post by: hoytem on March 12, 2009, 02:11:41 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on March 13, 2009, 04:31:39 PM
When the money is there again the next will be a S&W 629 .44
Still ashamed I had to sell the last one.
Post by: nwhunter on March 14, 2009, 09:55:35 PM
Post by: GoPlayOutside on March 14, 2009, 11:45:08 PM
It all depends on what your main goal for carrying the gun is. If it's in your hiking pack, it doesn't matter if you suprise a sow, or a cougar jumps on your back (you're not getting to your gun buried in your pack). If you want it just for signalling if you're ever lost or stranded, then get something really small and lightweight.
My :twocents:, get something with stopping power, .44 mag. .454s and .50s are just overkill.
Post by: GoPlayOutside on March 14, 2009, 11:51:28 PM
So, make sure the lightweight titaniums can take big loads.
Post by: Webfoot on March 15, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
Clarify this for me will ya.
If a person has a carry permit does the person have to have the weapon on his person in his vehicle or can it be concealed in the vehicle?
Thanks
John
Post by: jdb on March 15, 2009, 12:19:01 PM
Also, if you are going to look for a titanium frame...make sure you ask about what kind of mag loads you are able to shoot. My dad's S & W .44 629 6in., he can shoot anthing ("bear" or "buffalo" loads, 300 grain). My lighter 629 mountain gun is recommended to not go above 240 grains.no such worries with a .45 blackhawk and its similar in wieght
So, make sure the lightweight titaniums can take big loads.
Post by: timberghost72 on March 15, 2009, 06:23:58 PM
Post by: thinkingman on March 15, 2009, 06:47:50 PM
For those of you who carry a 357 mag, what loads you use? I just bought a Ruger Blackhawk 6 1/2" 357 mag for backup and for general hiking in the mountains. I usually carry my Kimber .45 but saw the Ruger and just had to have it.Buffalo Bore 180gr hardcast.
BTW...a 44 isn't 'stopping' a charging bear until after the damage(to you) has been done.
Same energy as a 30cal carbine.
FYI
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 15, 2009, 06:57:49 PM
Also, if you are going to look for a titanium frame...make sure you ask about what kind of mag loads you are able to shoot. My dad's S & W .44 629 6in., he can shoot anthing ("bear" or "buffalo" loads, 300 grain). My lighter 629 mountain gun is recommended to not go above 240 grains.
So, make sure the lightweight titaniums can take big loads.
I've got the 629 PD 4in and its really nice. :twocents:
Post by: HawkenBob on March 16, 2009, 07:01:14 AM
HawkenBob
Clarify this for me will ya.
If a person has a carry permit does the person have to have the weapon on his person in his vehicle or can it be concealed in the vehicle?
Thanks
John
It can be concealed in your car as well. I have been stopped twice with loaded weapons not on my person, but in the car concealed and no issue's. I suspect if you have passengers, it needs to be in your complete control though.
Post by: hoytem on March 16, 2009, 06:43:45 PM
Post by: jdb on March 16, 2009, 06:51:23 PM
Buffalo Bore 180gr hardcast.
BTW...a 44 isn't 'stopping' a charging bear until after the damage(to you) has been done.
Same energy as a 30cal carbine.
FYI
[/quote]be careful quoteing energy figures. They're simply a number dreamed up by ammo companies to sell ammo.
Post by: HawkenBob on March 16, 2009, 09:00:41 PM
I know for a fact that in order to have a loaded concealed weapon while driving it must be on your person.If you must leave it in the vehicle it must be locked and out of plain site.
Can you show us the fact? I know for a fact you can. Or 2 cops and a Game warden did not care? And one of those times I had a 357 loaded next to me hidden in the console and Bremerton PD showed with 3 cars and cleared the scene. My gilfriend was in the car and they had no problems. Just asked if they could keep the bullets that were in the gun for there safety. I guess stranger things have happened.
On the other a State Patrol pulled me over for speeding, saw ammo boxes and I had a 44 mag loaded with a 45 acp loaded hidden with about 1000 rounds in the cab. My best friend was right next to me. We drove away with a speeding ticket.
Hunting season, 2 gammies, a 9mm and a 45 under seat. No issue. checked the long guns, dident even want to see the pistols.
Post by: hoytem on March 16, 2009, 10:29:51 PM
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
Post by: HawkenBob on March 17, 2009, 06:17:08 AM
well they used their own discretion then, not the RCW :
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or [/b] (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
It CLEARLY states it right there that you dont have to have it on your person as long as its hidden. How much clearer can it be?
I knew it wasent just "discretion". And I know I've seen the RCW along time ago. Not sure what your reading into it though. But you have it mixed up. Anybody else see something I dont? :dunno:
Post by: Pat/Rick on May 24, 2009, 09:40:32 PM
Post by: Straight Shooter on May 24, 2009, 09:54:55 PM
gp100 4":yeah:
Post by: ecnclan on May 25, 2009, 06:58:16 PM
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ruger sp101 357 2inch stainless
Same thing I carry. Plenty of bark for this part of the country. :twocents:
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 13, 2009, 04:22:47 PM
Post by: Dakota Dogman on June 14, 2009, 11:34:46 PM
Part of the fun of owning a gun is shooting it.
Part of the responsibility of carrying a gun is being good enough with it to accomplish the needed task.
.357 - 180 grain Horn. xpt reloads; in Ruger Blackhawk
.357 - 158 grain lead cast in S&W 66
.44 - S&W Mt. Gun
For a serious walking gun, i can & have carried the Mt. Gun on long week backpack caming trips and never minded the weight a second.
For the price a used Mt. gun is hard to beat.
God Bless,
Post by: Gearhead1940 on June 15, 2009, 07:57:05 AM
Post by: curtmdavis on June 16, 2009, 12:41:13 PM
well they used their own discretion then, not the RCW :
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
The wording here is that the licensee IS away from the vehicle AND the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from the outside of the vehicle.
Also, washington is an open carry state. (as long as its not in a vehicle without a valid CPL.) You need to be prepared to exercise this right though, and I would make sure you are well versed on the law before you do. I have had more than my fair share of "encounters" with law enforcement while openly carrying. It is however an excellent way to educate the public, as you will attract allot of attention, and will more than likely end up correcting a few people on what the law does and does not state.
There is some excellent discussion and advise here:
www.opencarry.org (http://www.opencarry.org)
This link takes you to Washingtons open carry forum.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/
This website has a ton of info about carrying, openly and concealed. Lots of stories from the members and their experiences too. Check it out, its worth the time.
Take care.