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Saw this on it.
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 23, 2018, 02:55:06 PM
Some of you guys sure are skeptical?
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 23, 2018, 02:57:58 PM
I was hoping it was true, has anyone called Idaho yet to ask? I personally think the deer population isn't what it used to be. Two bucks per person is just too much in my opinion, and that is what most shoot. I just feel the hunting could be much better in a few years if only one deer were allowed per hunter. Roast away I guess.
The second tags are just leftover non res tags. So they are tags that they planned someone to get whether someone's first tag or second tag. Why not just shorten the season or sell less tags? I doubt this will make much of a difference in hunting in 10 A because not everyone who gets a second tag will hunt in 10 A. There are about 100 game units in Idaho, so if 1500 non res tags went unsold that would be 1500 possible hunters with two tags. Divide that by 100 game units and the average unit would see about 15 hunters with two tags. Now 10 A is popular so say it got 100 people with two tags? The success rate last year was 49%, (wow, that doesn't sound like the population is struggling) so 100 tags would be about 50 deer taken. The mix in that unit was 66% bucks and 33% does, so that breaks down to about 34 bucks and 17 does. That's the worst case scenario out of 3322 deer taken in that unit last year. But if those tags all get sold to non res as first tags, it will make no difference at all. The shorter season might affect it a bit, but the tags will be negligible.
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 23, 2018, 03:48:33 PM
2017 ---- 3322 deer
2016 ---- 3250 deer
2015 ---- 3586 deer
2014 ---- 3131 deer
2013 ---- 2664 deer
2012 ---- 2842 deer
2011 ---- 2640 deer
2010 ---- 2529 deer
2009 ---- 2429 deer
2008 ---- 2429 deer
2007 ---- 2613 deer
2006 ---- 2416 deer
2005 ---- 2497 deer
2004 ---- 2361 deer
2003 ---- 2034 deer
So last year was the second largest harvest in the last 15 years and there is a problem? And the harvest was 900-1000 deer more than most of the previous years? It sounds to me like the hunting is hot there right now. And the harvest rate per hunter is about 10-12% higher than most of those earlier years? My guess is that there are some people out there who are jealous of people who can afford to pay the extra cost of buying a second tag and they pushed this, because based on harvest stats, this wasn't needed.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 23, 2018, 03:50:48 PM
I was hoping it was true, has anyone called Idaho yet to ask? I personally think the deer population isn't what it used to be. Two bucks per person is just too much in my opinion, and that is what most shoot. I just feel the hunting could be much better in a few years if only one deer were allowed per hunter. Roast away I guess.
The second tags are just leftover non res tags. So they are tags that they planned someone to get whether someone's first tag or second tag. Why not just shorten the season or sell less tags? I doubt this will make much of a difference in hunting in 10 A because not everyone who gets a second tag will hunt in 10 A. There are about 100 game units in Idaho, so if 1500 non res tags went unsold that would be 1500 possible hunters with two tags. Divide that by 100 game units and the average unit would see about 15 hunters with two tags. Now 10 A is popular so say it got 100 people with two tags? The success rate last year was 49%, (wow, that doesn't sound like the population is struggling) so 100 tags would be about 50 deer taken. The mix in that unit was 66% bucks and 33% does, so that breaks down to about 34 bucks and 17 does. That's the worst case scenario out of 3322 deer taken in that unit last year. But if those tags all get sold to non res as first tags, it will make no difference at all. The shorter season might affect it a bit, but the tags will be negligible.
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Post by: meatwhack on March 23, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
Post by: grundy53 on March 23, 2018, 05:34:23 PM
Some people would rather see quality rather than high harvest stats. If people stopped shooting every 2.5 year old buck they saw in some of these units there’d be some dandies running around.Not everyone is a trophy hunter. In fact most people aren't.
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Post by: Naches Sportsman on March 23, 2018, 05:46:25 PM
Some people would rather see quality rather than high harvest stats. If people stopped shooting every 2.5 year old buck they saw in some of these units there’d be some dandies running around.
I saw two dozen plus big white tail last summer (May-Oct) in just a small area of the unit. There are definitely dandy bucks around. I saw anywhere from 6 to 20 4 point or better bucks most days.
I see what you're saying, but I'd rather kill any buck and you can't eat the antlers.
Post by: meatwhack on March 23, 2018, 06:04:55 PM
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Post by: 3nails on March 23, 2018, 08:26:23 PM
Some people would rather see quality rather than high harvest stats. If people stopped shooting every 2.5 year old buck they saw in some of these units there’d be some dandies running around.10A is loaded with dandy bucks.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 23, 2018, 08:34:08 PM
It should only get better now.Some people would rather see quality rather than high harvest stats. If people stopped shooting every 2.5 year old buck they saw in some of these units there’d be some dandies running around.10A is loaded with dandy bucks.
Post by: 3nails on March 23, 2018, 08:49:16 PM
Maybe. Maybe not. Less hunters spending less time in the field with wolf tags.It should only get better now.Some people would rather see quality rather than high harvest stats. If people stopped shooting every 2.5 year old buck they saw in some of these units there’d be some dandies running around.10A is loaded with dandy bucks.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 23, 2018, 09:07:27 PM
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 23, 2018, 09:34:12 PM
Another big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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Be prepared for resident tag costs to go up to make up the difference in revenue.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 24, 2018, 12:04:36 AM
Already going up this year. I'm price locked still for the next 5 though. Besides the fact it is a limitation on 2 particular controlled hunts. They haven't taken any tags from the overall nonresident quotaAnother big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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Post by: CarbonHunter on March 24, 2018, 07:23:28 AM
Another big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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I talked with IFG about this hunt (27) back in January and they told me it wasn’t as good as it used to be because of over hunting and changes were coming. He also told me that if I was looking for a true “wilderness hunt” not to do it because there is a ton of people in there during hunting season.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 24, 2018, 07:27:20 AM
Another big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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I talked with IFG about this hunt (27) back in January and they told me it wasn’t as good as it used to be because of over hunting and changes were coming. He also told me that if I was looking for a true “wilderness hunt” not to do it because there is a ton of people in there during hunting season.
Well this cap is going to cut the overall hunter numbers by more than half in those units. 2017 numbers showed 461 nonresidents versus only 209 residents. So if we assume a slight increase in resident hunters there might be 300 people in there this fall
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Post by: grundy53 on March 24, 2018, 07:36:06 AM
YepSome people would rather see quality rather than high harvest stats. If people stopped shooting every 2.5 year old buck they saw in some of these units there’d be some dandies running around.10A is loaded with dandy bucks.
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Post by: grundy53 on March 24, 2018, 07:37:41 AM
Once again, not everyone is a trophy hunter. To me it won't get better. It just got worse.It should only get better now.Some people would rather see quality rather than high harvest stats. If people stopped shooting every 2.5 year old buck they saw in some of these units there’d be some dandies running around.10A is loaded with dandy bucks.
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Post by: CarbonHunter on March 24, 2018, 07:43:31 AM
Another big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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I talked with IFG about this hunt (27) back in January and they told me it wasn’t as good as it used to be because of over hunting and changes were coming. He also told me that if I was looking for a true “wilderness hunt” not to do it because there is a ton of people in there during hunting season.
Well this cap is going to cut the overall hunter numbers by more than half in those units. 2017 numbers showed 461 nonresidents versus only 209 residents. So if we assume a slight increase in resident hunters there might be 300 people in there this fall
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It should only take a couple years for the area to get back to the quality it used to have as long as there is no harsh winter kill in the unit. Of those 670 hunters, how many deer were killed? IFG told me that a lot of those camps were heading in the last week of October so that they could kill 1 deer in the general season plus 1 on their controlled hunt which meant they were leaving with 2 bucks and possibly an elk. He said there were stories of camps of 6-7 hunters leaving with 12-14 bucks and half a dozen elk. I don’t care how good an area is with hunting like that the quality won’t last. I’m glad to see Idaho is doing something about it before the area is completely ruined.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 24, 2018, 07:53:04 AM
Another big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/new-changes-2018-big-game-rules-sheep-goat-unit-10a-deer-hunt-weiser-river-elk-zone-and-units
Crazy!
670 hunters and 450 (just a guess) fly in to loon creek. There is not over crowding in 90% of the strips. And I have never talked to a resident while at a strip. But I haven't flown in for awhile now. So maybe that has changed?
Post by: Bigshooter on March 24, 2018, 08:00:47 AM
Another big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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I talked with IFG about this hunt (27) back in January and they told me it wasn’t as good as it used to be because of over hunting and changes were coming. He also told me that if I was looking for a true “wilderness hunt” not to do it because there is a ton of people in there during hunting season.
Well this cap is going to cut the overall hunter numbers by more than half in those units. 2017 numbers showed 461 nonresidents versus only 209 residents. So if we assume a slight increase in resident hunters there might be 300 people in there this fall
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It should only take a couple years for the area to get back to the quality it used to have as long as there is no harsh winter kill in the unit. Of those 670 hunters, how many deer were killed? IFG told me that a lot of those camps were heading in the last week of October so that they could kill 1 deer in the general season plus 1 on their controlled hunt which meant they were leaving with 2 bucks and possibly an elk. He said there were stories of camps of 6-7 hunters leaving with 12-14 bucks and half a dozen elk. I don’t care how good an area is with hunting like that the quality won’t last. I’m glad to see Idaho is doing something about it before the area is completely ruined.
Better check the harvest statistics 90 - 100% success on deer and elk in 27? I don't think so. I think that's nothing but stories. Kinda like the 2lbs bass that turns in to 6lbs after the story has been passed through a few people.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 24, 2018, 08:56:37 AM
Amen!!!Another big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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I talked with IFG about this hunt (27) back in January and they told me it wasn’t as good as it used to be because of over hunting and changes were coming. He also told me that if I was looking for a true “wilderness hunt” not to do it because there is a ton of people in there during hunting season.
Well this cap is going to cut the overall hunter numbers by more than half in those units. 2017 numbers showed 461 nonresidents versus only 209 residents. So if we assume a slight increase in resident hunters there might be 300 people in there this fall
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It should only take a couple years for the area to get back to the quality it used to have as long as there is no harsh winter kill in the unit. Of those 670 hunters, how many deer were killed? IFG told me that a lot of those camps were heading in the last week of October so that they could kill 1 deer in the general season plus 1 on their controlled hunt which meant they were leaving with 2 bucks and possibly an elk. He said there were stories of camps of 6-7 hunters leaving with 12-14 bucks and half a dozen elk. I don’t care how good an area is with hunting like that the quality won’t last. I’m glad to see Idaho is doing something about it before the area is completely ruined.
Post by: meatwhack on March 24, 2018, 09:01:36 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 24, 2018, 09:10:27 AM
I’ve got a question for those who aren’t “trophy hunters”. Do you shoot the first legal animal that you see when you go out hunting? Which in the case of 10a would likely be a doe.i also don’t think just because you pass up a little 2 or 3 point makes you a trophy hunter.
Post by: grundy53 on March 24, 2018, 09:38:49 AM
I’ve got a question for those who aren’t “trophy hunters”. Do you shoot the first legal animal that you see when you go out hunting? Which in the case of 10a would likely be a doe.I don't shoot does. You shoot one buck you kill one buck. You shoot a doe you kill her plus any offspring she may have had in the future.
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Post by: grundy53 on March 24, 2018, 09:40:02 AM
True. But wanting to take other people's opportunities away to grow more big bucks does.I’ve got a question for those who aren’t “trophy hunters”. Do you shoot the first legal animal that you see when you go out hunting? Which in the case of 10a would likely be a doe.i also don’t think just because you pass up a little 2 or 3 point makes you a trophy hunter.
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 24, 2018, 09:52:58 AM
26 was 91% success last year, 27 was 75% almost 80% 4 point or better bucksAnother big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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I talked with IFG about this hunt (27) back in January and they told me it wasn’t as good as it used to be because of over hunting and changes were coming. He also told me that if I was looking for a true “wilderness hunt” not to do it because there is a ton of people in there during hunting season.
Well this cap is going to cut the overall hunter numbers by more than half in those units. 2017 numbers showed 461 nonresidents versus only 209 residents. So if we assume a slight increase in resident hunters there might be 300 people in there this fall
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It should only take a couple years for the area to get back to the quality it used to have as long as there is no harsh winter kill in the unit. Of those 670 hunters, how many deer were killed? IFG told me that a lot of those camps were heading in the last week of October so that they could kill 1 deer in the general season plus 1 on their controlled hunt which meant they were leaving with 2 bucks and possibly an elk. He said there were stories of camps of 6-7 hunters leaving with 12-14 bucks and half a dozen elk. I don’t care how good an area is with hunting like that the quality won’t last. I’m glad to see Idaho is doing something about it before the area is completely ruined.
Better check the harvest statistics 90 - 100% success on deer and elk in 27? I don't think so. I think that's nothing but stories. Kinda like the 2lbs bass that turns in to 6lbs after the story has been passed through a few people.
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Post by: HookedOnQuack on March 24, 2018, 10:12:00 AM
Post by: grundy53 on March 24, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
My family has a cabin in Pierce that we built for hunting purposes, several in our party take the entire month of November off and hunt hard almost everyday. there is anywhere from 8-15 of us there and about half buy 2 tags. Last year of the 4 i know of for certain that had 2 tags, 1 deer was shot. This wasnt because they werent seeing deer they are just the trophy hunter type and unless its a 4-5 year old 4point or masher 3 it just isnt getting shot. My dad and his buddies have been there since the early 90s and have told me that when they first started they would see less than 10 other hunters for the 2 weeks they were there. I know there are several people on here that hunt this area and you can go behind some of the gates now and see more than that! With that being said i actually think the deer numbers have recovered quite nicely in the last few years since wolf hunting has been allowed. There are still lots of nice mature deer in the area as we have 20-30 cameras up from the time the snow lets us up to our areas thru the end of season. I can be fine with the no second tags for a few years or forever really but cutting the season down is the part i really dont care for. We have started having our Thanksgiving dinner in camp every year and mixed with the excitement of still being able to hunt has made that week awesome!I totally agree with you. Especially the last part. Thanksgiving won't be the same. I would be fine if it was limited to just one tag. It's the shortening of the season that I'm upset about. Plus it's going to concentrate the hunters even more.
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Post by: meatwhack on March 24, 2018, 12:16:19 PM
Post by: HookedOnQuack on March 24, 2018, 02:22:43 PM
Didn’t 10a used to close November 20th about 10 or so years ago. I know some of the bordering units did but I can’t remember about 10a.Yes sir it did
Post by: lord grizzly on March 24, 2018, 04:47:04 PM
26 was 91% success last year, 27 was 75% almost 80% 4 point or better bucksAnother big change was a nonresident cap on the unlimited draw hunts in unit 26&27. They capped nonres in 27 to 51 tags, last year there were 461 nonresidents that did that hunt.
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I talked with IFG about this hunt (27) back in January and they told me it wasn’t as good as it used to be because of over hunting and changes were coming. He also told me that if I was looking for a true “wilderness hunt” not to do it because there is a ton of people in there during hunting season.
Well this cap is going to cut the overall hunter numbers by more than half in those units. 2017 numbers showed 461 nonresidents versus only 209 residents. So if we assume a slight increase in resident hunters there might be 300 people in there this fall
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It should only take a couple years for the area to get back to the quality it used to have as long as there is no harsh winter kill in the unit. Of those 670 hunters, how many deer were killed? IFG told me that a lot of those camps were heading in the last week of October so that they could kill 1 deer in the general season plus 1 on their controlled hunt which meant they were leaving with 2 bucks and possibly an elk. He said there were stories of camps of 6-7 hunters leaving with 12-14 bucks and half a dozen elk. I don’t care how good an area is with hunting like that the quality won’t last. I’m glad to see Idaho is doing something about it before the area is completely ruined.
Better check the harvest statistics 90 - 100% success on deer and elk in 27? I don't think so. I think that's nothing but stories. Kinda like the 2lbs bass that turns in to 6lbs after the story has been passed through a few people.
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It’s not a hard place to fill a tag once your in there. I’m all for any reduction non red tags. Good move F&G :tup:
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 24, 2018, 08:09:41 PM
It should only take a couple years for the area to get back to the quality it used to have as long as there is no harsh winter kill in the unit. Of those 670 hunters, how many deer were killed? IFG told me that a lot of those camps were heading in the last week of October so that they could kill 1 deer in the general season plus 1 on their controlled hunt which meant they were leaving with 2 bucks and possibly an elk. He said there were stories of camps of 6-7 hunters leaving with 12-14 bucks and half a dozen elk. I don’t care how good an area is with hunting like that the quality won’t last. I’m glad to see Idaho is doing something about it before the area is completely ruined.
As far as I can figure there were 883 hunters that hunted 27 in 2017. So about 223 in the early regular season and the 670 in the draw season. The total harvest was was 291 deer.
As for the stories, they could just be stories. I'd have to see documentation before I believed them. The harvest stats don't indicate a lot of double dipping.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 24, 2018, 08:20:01 PM
26 was 91% success last year, 27 was 75% almost 80% 4 point or better bucks
Not sure where you're getting your stats, but on the Idaho fish and game site, it says the success rate for 26 was 23.2% or 49 deer for 211 hunters and for 27 it was 32.9% or 291 deer for 883 hunters.
https://idfg.idaho.gov/ifwis/huntplanner/stats/
Post by: Northwest Adventurer on March 25, 2018, 07:24:37 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,164521.0.html
And, as for the one tag in 10a, that’s where I’ll be. This was
another much needed and appropriate move by IDFG.
Happy Hunting.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 25, 2018, 11:23:24 AM
Those are the general season harvest stats. The controlled hunt season takes place in November and has much higher success rates. The numbers I quoted were direct from the harvest stats26 was 91% success last year, 27 was 75% almost 80% 4 point or better bucks
Not sure where you're getting your stats, but on the Idaho fish and game site, it says the success rate for 26 was 23.2% or 49 deer for 211 hunters and for 27 it was 32.9% or 291 deer for 883 hunters.
https://idfg.idaho.gov/ifwis/huntplanner/stats/
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Post by: idaho guy on March 25, 2018, 04:58:35 PM
No more seconds tags, sweet!! I think that is a great change!
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:yeah: I agree although many years I have bought the second tag and taken 2 bucks I think it’s better one deer per person. I bought the second elk tag this year and killed 2 bulls also. So I have taken advantage of the second tag but don’t think it’s the best thing for our herds especially the deer since taking two deer for me usually requires a lot less work. Also it is usually the most successful hunters I think that buy a second tag so I feel like the second tag is more often used than if it were sold to a non residents who might not have as much knowledge of the area. I know a lot of out of state guys buy and fill the second tag also but again it seems to be the real dedicated guys who are more successful or one who wants a meat buck (young) and then “trophy “ hunt with their second. I would like to see panhandle deer seasons also go back to opening November 1 I think our age structure got hurt really bad when they moved deer to 10-10 and left it open for 2 months of rifle. There you go I have benefited from 2 tags and if that’s the rule I will still probably buy 2 sometimes in the future but I think fish and game is doing the right thing at least in 10a
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 25, 2018, 08:32:10 PM
No more seconds tags, sweet!! I think that is a great change!
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:yeah: I agree although many years I have bought the second tag and taken 2 bucks I think it’s better one deer per person. I bought the second elk tag this year and killed 2 bulls also. So I have taken advantage of the second tag but don’t think it’s the best thing for our herds especially the deer since taking two deer for me usually requires a lot less work. Also it is usually the most successful hunters I think that buy a second tag so I feel like the second tag is more often used than if it were sold to a non residents who might not have as much knowledge of the area. I know a lot of out of state guys buy and fill the second tag also but again it seems to be the real dedicated guys who are more successful or one who wants a meat buck (young) and then “trophy “ hunt with their second. I would like to see panhandle deer seasons also go back to opening November 1 I think our age structure got hurt really bad when they moved deer to 10-10 and left it open for 2 months of rifle. There you go I have benefited from 2 tags and if that’s the rule I will still probably buy 2 sometimes in the future but I think fish and game is doing the right thing at least in 10a
There is the money trap again though. If you have 1,000 unsold non resident tags, that represents $300,000 in revenue the state isn't getting. That is why they allow them to be sold to residents as second tags after a certain date. It's an important money stream and if they don't get that money, they have to get it somewhere else.
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I too was fine with cutting the 2nd tag...but shortening season dates is only going to crowd hunters. Most will hunt that last 7-10 days of season...where historically, some hunters would go pre Thanksgiving, during thanksgiving, or right up to Dec 1. Stupid move by idfg imo.My family has a cabin in Pierce that we built for hunting purposes, several in our party take the entire month of November off and hunt hard almost everyday. there is anywhere from 8-15 of us there and about half buy 2 tags. Last year of the 4 i know of for certain that had 2 tags, 1 deer was shot. This wasnt because they werent seeing deer they are just the trophy hunter type and unless its a 4-5 year old 4point or masher 3 it just isnt getting shot. My dad and his buddies have been there since the early 90s and have told me that when they first started they would see less than 10 other hunters for the 2 weeks they were there. I know there are several people on here that hunt this area and you can go behind some of the gates now and see more than that! With that being said i actually think the deer numbers have recovered quite nicely in the last few years since wolf hunting has been allowed. There are still lots of nice mature deer in the area as we have 20-30 cameras up from the time the snow lets us up to our areas thru the end of season. I can be fine with the no second tags for a few years or forever really but cutting the season down is the part i really dont care for. We have started having our Thanksgiving dinner in camp every year and mixed with the excitement of still being able to hunt has made that week awesome!I totally agree with you. Especially the last part. Thanksgiving won't be the same. I would be fine if it was limited to just one tag. It's the shortening of the season that I'm upset about. Plus it's going to concentrate the hunters even more.
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Post by: bearpaw on March 28, 2018, 02:31:08 PM
The season change in 10a will have no effect on whether tags sell out. I’ll bet they sell out even earlier this year than last.
:yeah: there's more applications in every state this year due to improving economy!
Post by: lord grizzly on March 29, 2018, 06:22:16 PM
I too was fine with cutting the 2nd tag...but shortening season dates is only going to crowd hunters. Most will hunt that last 7-10 days of season...where historically, some hunters would go pre Thanksgiving, during thanksgiving, or right up to Dec 1. Stupid move by idfg imo.My family has a cabin in Pierce that we built for hunting purposes, several in our party take the entire month of November off and hunt hard almost everyday. there is anywhere from 8-15 of us there and about half buy 2 tags. Last year of the 4 i know of for certain that had 2 tags, 1 deer was shot. This wasnt because they werent seeing deer they are just the trophy hunter type and unless its a 4-5 year old 4point or masher 3 it just isnt getting shot. My dad and his buddies have been there since the early 90s and have told me that when they first started they would see less than 10 other hunters for the 2 weeks they were there. I know there are several people on here that hunt this area and you can go behind some of the gates now and see more than that! With that being said i actually think the deer numbers have recovered quite nicely in the last few years since wolf hunting has been allowed. There are still lots of nice mature deer in the area as we have 20-30 cameras up from the time the snow lets us up to our areas thru the end of season. I can be fine with the no second tags for a few years or forever really but cutting the season down is the part i really dont care for. We have started having our Thanksgiving dinner in camp every year and mixed with the excitement of still being able to hunt has made that week awesome!I totally agree with you. Especially the last part. Thanksgiving won't be the same. I would be fine if it was limited to just one tag. It's the shortening of the season that I'm upset about. Plus it's going to concentrate the hunters even more.
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Stupid move?? Maybe you’d rather they were more like Washington F&G huh? There managing the herd for better health and future opportunities. Glad we’re not so short sided over here. I know to most your vacation is more important than management of OUR herds.
Post by: 3nails on March 29, 2018, 06:30:29 PM
I think what he was getting at is that the same amount of hunters will still hunt there and harvest the same amount of deer but condensed into a tighter time frame. I would have to agree with him. IMHO, the best dates are the 14th through the 20th anyhow.I too was fine with cutting the 2nd tag...but shortening season dates is only going to crowd hunters. Most will hunt that last 7-10 days of season...where historically, some hunters would go pre Thanksgiving, during thanksgiving, or right up to Dec 1. Stupid move by idfg imo.My family has a cabin in Pierce that we built for hunting purposes, several in our party take the entire month of November off and hunt hard almost everyday. there is anywhere from 8-15 of us there and about half buy 2 tags. Last year of the 4 i know of for certain that had 2 tags, 1 deer was shot. This wasnt because they werent seeing deer they are just the trophy hunter type and unless its a 4-5 year old 4point or masher 3 it just isnt getting shot. My dad and his buddies have been there since the early 90s and have told me that when they first started they would see less than 10 other hunters for the 2 weeks they were there. I know there are several people on here that hunt this area and you can go behind some of the gates now and see more than that! With that being said i actually think the deer numbers have recovered quite nicely in the last few years since wolf hunting has been allowed. There are still lots of nice mature deer in the area as we have 20-30 cameras up from the time the snow lets us up to our areas thru the end of season. I can be fine with the no second tags for a few years or forever really but cutting the season down is the part i really dont care for. We have started having our Thanksgiving dinner in camp every year and mixed with the excitement of still being able to hunt has made that week awesome!I totally agree with you. Especially the last part. Thanksgiving won't be the same. I would be fine if it was limited to just one tag. It's the shortening of the season that I'm upset about. Plus it's going to concentrate the hunters even more.
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Stupid move?? Maybe you’d rather they were more like Washington F&G huh? There managing the herd for better health and future opportunities. Glad we’re not so short sided over here. I know to most your vacation is more important than management of OUR herds.
Post by: lord grizzly on March 29, 2018, 06:48:44 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on March 31, 2018, 07:27:30 PM
I too was fine with cutting the 2nd tag...but shortening season dates is only going to crowd hunters. Most will hunt that last 7-10 days of season...where historically, some hunters would go pre Thanksgiving, during thanksgiving, or right up to Dec 1. Stupid move by idfg imo.My family has a cabin in Pierce that we built for hunting purposes, several in our party take the entire month of November off and hunt hard almost everyday. there is anywhere from 8-15 of us there and about half buy 2 tags. Last year of the 4 i know of for certain that had 2 tags, 1 deer was shot. This wasnt because they werent seeing deer they are just the trophy hunter type and unless its a 4-5 year old 4point or masher 3 it just isnt getting shot. My dad and his buddies have been there since the early 90s and have told me that when they first started they would see less than 10 other hunters for the 2 weeks they were there. I know there are several people on here that hunt this area and you can go behind some of the gates now and see more than that! With that being said i actually think the deer numbers have recovered quite nicely in the last few years since wolf hunting has been allowed. There are still lots of nice mature deer in the area as we have 20-30 cameras up from the time the snow lets us up to our areas thru the end of season. I can be fine with the no second tags for a few years or forever really but cutting the season down is the part i really dont care for. We have started having our Thanksgiving dinner in camp every year and mixed with the excitement of still being able to hunt has made that week awesome!I totally agree with you. Especially the last part. Thanksgiving won't be the same. I would be fine if it was limited to just one tag. It's the shortening of the season that I'm upset about. Plus it's going to concentrate the hunters even more.
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Stupid move?? Maybe you’d rather they were more like Washington F&G huh? There managing the herd for better health and future opportunities. Glad we’re not so short sided over here. I know to most your vacation is more important than management of OUR herds.
It's not about herd health...there are no shortage of whitetail in 10a. It's a group clamoring for better trophy quality, but it won't happen just because they shortened the season. It will just reduce the quality of the hunting experience by crowding people in...same number of deer will be killed. Season still overlaps prime rutting action in that unit.
Post by: meatwhack on March 31, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
Post by: cem3434 on March 31, 2018, 10:38:49 PM
Kudos to idfw...
:yeah:
Post by: freezerfull on April 01, 2018, 07:45:03 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 01, 2018, 10:50:37 AM
Post by: 3nails on April 01, 2018, 11:08:26 AM
I can understand both sides, however with non resident wt tags selling out anyway, I don't think there will an appreciable difference in wt hunting success, quality of bucks in the unit or whitetail population in 10a. What may make an impact is closing the season nov 20th, since probably you best chance at a mature buck is th 20th through dec 1. My guess is, if any change, this will increase kills of 1 1/2 & 2 1/2 yo bucks and less mature bucks, I've always hunted the week and half before thanksgiving and you'll rattle in and glass young bucks early in the trip and then usually Monday of thanks giving week the switch flips and the mature bucks start moving. I'm sure on the the last couple days those spikes and forkies are gonna be looking a lot better than tag soup since hunters don't have thanksgiving week to hold out for. I wasn't in 10a for 2017 but in the couple years prior there certainly was no shortage of wtFunny, the largest bucks I've rattled in in 10A have been before the 20th. I have had the opposite experience of yours.
Post by: freezerfull on April 01, 2018, 12:49:19 PM
My experience definitely isn't the rule and you've definitely got many more years than I have spent in that area, that's just what I've seen along with a few other folks that I know and or hunt with over there with in the few years I've gone. I'm surprised the locals wouldn't support something like no second deer tag for the area, along with a rule to manage better quality bucks. Along the lines of 4pt minimum or antlerless with the current season length. The sentiment of most locals that I've visited with and ran into hunting have been under the mindset of letting the younger bucks live and if your in it for meat, take a doe. Not sure if that's the best management style but I think people should harvest whatever they would like as long as that is legal and taken in an ethical manner with respect for the wildlife. Not sure on where others are hunting but if you get off the quad trails, etc most week days I'll never see another hunter. I know some areas are crowded but compaired to states and areas with a 10 day season it's hardly so.I can understand both sides, however with non resident wt tags selling out anyway, I don't think there will an appreciable difference in wt hunting success, quality of bucks in the unit or whitetail population in 10a. What may make an impact is closing the season nov 20th, since probably you best chance at a mature buck is th 20th through dec 1. My guess is, if any change, this will increase kills of 1 1/2 & 2 1/2 yo bucks and less mature bucks, I've always hunted the week and half before thanksgiving and you'll rattle in and glass young bucks early in the trip and then usually Monday of thanks giving week the switch flips and the mature bucks start moving. I'm sure on the the last couple days those spikes and forkies are gonna be looking a lot better than tag soup since hunters don't have thanksgiving week to hold out for. I wasn't in 10a for 2017 but in the couple years prior there certainly was no shortage of wtFunny, the largest bucks I've rattled in in 10A have been before the 20th. I have had the opposite experience of yours.
Post by: idahohuntr on April 01, 2018, 01:57:37 PM
I've only hunted that area for a few decades, and my observation is closer to yours 3nails. This is why I don't think the shortened season will result in more quality bucks...just more crowded hunting.I can understand both sides, however with non resident wt tags selling out anyway, I don't think there will an appreciable difference in wt hunting success, quality of bucks in the unit or whitetail population in 10a. What may make an impact is closing the season nov 20th, since probably you best chance at a mature buck is th 20th through dec 1. My guess is, if any change, this will increase kills of 1 1/2 & 2 1/2 yo bucks and less mature bucks, I've always hunted the week and half before thanksgiving and you'll rattle in and glass young bucks early in the trip and then usually Monday of thanks giving week the switch flips and the mature bucks start moving. I'm sure on the the last couple days those spikes and forkies are gonna be looking a lot better than tag soup since hunters don't have thanksgiving week to hold out for. I wasn't in 10a for 2017 but in the couple years prior there certainly was no shortage of wtFunny, the largest bucks I've rattled in in 10A have been before the 20th. I have had the opposite experience of yours.
Post by: bigbullshedhunter on April 04, 2018, 05:57:47 AM
Looking into the harvest stats for 10 A, I can't see what the problem is that people think needs fixing? Here is the last 15 years of total harvest in 10 A.Every person that lives here wld say your absolutely wrong. The deer population isn't half of what it use to be. And the amount of hunters that are getting drawn to the area is making it 10x worse. Idaho is pretty good at devastating numbers of wildlife by giving out to many tags as most know by now. I live here and can tell you this needs to happen immediatly. There also worried about the class of the deer. There use to be a large number of giants killed over 160 ever year. That has turned into 130 basket buck. I also know some of the best she hunters in that area. They also agree with the season change due to lack of deer this winter, worst they have ever seen it.
2017 ---- 3322 deer
2016 ---- 3250 deer
2015 ---- 3586 deer
2014 ---- 3131 deer
2013 ---- 2664 deer
2012 ---- 2842 deer
2011 ---- 2640 deer
2010 ---- 2529 deer
2009 ---- 2429 deer
2008 ---- 2429 deer
2007 ---- 2613 deer
2006 ---- 2416 deer
2005 ---- 2497 deer
2004 ---- 2361 deer
2003 ---- 2034 deer
So last year was the second largest harvest in the last 15 years and there is a problem? And the harvest was 900-1000 deer more than most of the previous years? It sounds to me like the hunting is hot there right now. And the harvest rate per hunter is about 10-12% higher than most of those earlier years? My guess is that there are some people out there who are jealous of people who can afford to pay the extra cost of buying a second tag and they pushed this, because based on harvest stats, this wasn't needed.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 04, 2018, 06:12:37 AM
Thank you, man it's like a breath of fresh air when I hear the truth !Looking into the harvest stats for 10 A, I can't see what the problem is that people think needs fixing? Here is the last 15 years of total harvest in 10 A.Every person that lives here wld say your absolutely wrong. The deer population isn't half of what it use to be. And the amount of hunters that are getting drawn to the area is making it 10x worse. Idaho is pretty good at devastating numbers of wildlife by giving out to many tags as most know by now. I live here and can tell you this needs to happen immediatly. There also worried about the class of the deer. There use to be a large number of giants killed over 160 ever year. That has turned into 130 basket buck. I also know some of the best she hunters in that area. They also agree with the season change due to lack of deer this winter, worst they have ever seen it.
2017 ---- 3322 deer
2016 ---- 3250 deer
2015 ---- 3586 deer
2014 ---- 3131 deer
2013 ---- 2664 deer
2012 ---- 2842 deer
2011 ---- 2640 deer
2010 ---- 2529 deer
2009 ---- 2429 deer
2008 ---- 2429 deer
2007 ---- 2613 deer
2006 ---- 2416 deer
2005 ---- 2497 deer
2004 ---- 2361 deer
2003 ---- 2034 deer
So last year was the second largest harvest in the last 15 years and there is a problem? And the harvest was 900-1000 deer more than most of the previous years? It sounds to me like the hunting is hot there right now. And the harvest rate per hunter is about 10-12% higher than most of those earlier years? My guess is that there are some people out there who are jealous of people who can afford to pay the extra cost of buying a second tag and they pushed this, because based on harvest stats, this wasn't needed.
Post by: idahohuntr on April 04, 2018, 07:19:37 AM
What's a 130" basket buck?Looking into the harvest stats for 10 A, I can't see what the problem is that people think needs fixing? Here is the last 15 years of total harvest in 10 A.Every person that lives here wld say your absolutely wrong. The deer population isn't half of what it use to be. And the amount of hunters that are getting drawn to the area is making it 10x worse. Idaho is pretty good at devastating numbers of wildlife by giving out to many tags as most know by now. I live here and can tell you this needs to happen immediatly. There also worried about the class of the deer. There use to be a large number of giants killed over 160 ever year. That has turned into 130 basket buck. I also know some of the best she hunters in that area. They also agree with the season change due to lack of deer this winter, worst they have ever seen it.
2017 ---- 3322 deer
2016 ---- 3250 deer
2015 ---- 3586 deer
2014 ---- 3131 deer
2013 ---- 2664 deer
2012 ---- 2842 deer
2011 ---- 2640 deer
2010 ---- 2529 deer
2009 ---- 2429 deer
2008 ---- 2429 deer
2007 ---- 2613 deer
2006 ---- 2416 deer
2005 ---- 2497 deer
2004 ---- 2361 deer
2003 ---- 2034 deer
So last year was the second largest harvest in the last 15 years and there is a problem? And the harvest was 900-1000 deer more than most of the previous years? It sounds to me like the hunting is hot there right now. And the harvest rate per hunter is about 10-12% higher than most of those earlier years? My guess is that there are some people out there who are jealous of people who can afford to pay the extra cost of buying a second tag and they pushed this, because based on harvest stats, this wasn't needed.
Post by: idaho guy on April 04, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
Thank you, man it's like a breath of fresh air when I hear the truth !Looking into the harvest stats for 10 A, I can't see what the problem is that people think needs fixing? Here is the last 15 years of total harvest in 10 A.Every person that lives here wld say your absolutely wrong. The deer population isn't half of what it use to be. And the amount of hunters that are getting drawn to the area is making it 10x worse. Idaho is pretty good at devastating numbers of wildlife by giving out to many tags as most know by now. I live here and can tell you this needs to happen immediatly. There also worried about the class of the deer. There use to be a large number of giants killed over 160 ever year. That has turned into 130 basket buck. I also know some of the best she hunters in that area. They also agree with the season change due to lack of deer this winter, worst they have ever seen it.
2017 ---- 3322 deer
2016 ---- 3250 deer
2015 ---- 3586 deer
2014 ---- 3131 deer
2013 ---- 2664 deer
2012 ---- 2842 deer
2011 ---- 2640 deer
2010 ---- 2529 deer
2009 ---- 2429 deer
2008 ---- 2429 deer
2007 ---- 2613 deer
2006 ---- 2416 deer
2005 ---- 2497 deer
2004 ---- 2361 deer
2003 ---- 2034 deer
So last year was the second largest harvest in the last 15 years and there is a problem? And the harvest was 900-1000 deer more than most of the previous years? It sounds to me like the hunting is hot there right now. And the harvest rate per hunter is about 10-12% higher than most of those earlier years? My guess is that there are some people out there who are jealous of people who can afford to pay the extra cost of buying a second tag and they pushed this, because based on harvest stats, this wasn't needed.
X2 :yeah:
Post by: idelkslayer on April 16, 2018, 08:07:19 AM
Looking into the harvest stats for 10 A, I can't see what the problem is that people think needs fixing? Here is the last 15 years of total harvest in 10 A.Every person that lives here wld say your absolutely wrong. The deer population isn't half of what it use to be. And the amount of hunters that are getting drawn to the area is making it 10x worse. Idaho is pretty good at devastating numbers of wildlife by giving out to many tags as most know by now. I live here and can tell you this needs to happen immediatly. There also worried about the class of the deer. There use to be a large number of giants killed over 160 ever year. That has turned into 130 basket buck. I also know some of the best she hunters in that area. They also agree with the season change due to lack of deer this winter, worst they have ever seen it.
2017 ---- 3322 deer
2016 ---- 3250 deer
2015 ---- 3586 deer
2014 ---- 3131 deer
2013 ---- 2664 deer
2012 ---- 2842 deer
2011 ---- 2640 deer
2010 ---- 2529 deer
2009 ---- 2429 deer
2008 ---- 2429 deer
2007 ---- 2613 deer
2006 ---- 2416 deer
2005 ---- 2497 deer
2004 ---- 2361 deer
2003 ---- 2034 deer
So last year was the second largest harvest in the last 15 years and there is a problem? And the harvest was 900-1000 deer more than most of the previous years? It sounds to me like the hunting is hot there right now. And the harvest rate per hunter is about 10-12% higher than most of those earlier years? My guess is that there are some people out there who are jealous of people who can afford to pay the extra cost of buying a second tag and they pushed this, because based on harvest stats, this wasn't needed.
The number of deer has grown according to the harvest data but the % of 5 pt bucks has been trending downward since 2011 having gone from 27% in 2010 to 16% in 2017.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on June 09, 2018, 07:28:47 PM
I went out for a bike ride on Tuesday as Tuesdays were the days I would do buck counts. On tuesday, I saw 29 bucks on my 1 mile out and back bike ride. Half of those bucks had racks past their ears. There were 3 that Wil be mashers this year.
The bucks around here will be bigger than last year as this crop was fairly young last year. Same goes with the whole area. There were lots of 3 points and 4 points last year and not many super bucks as in 6 points+. I've only been out here for a week so far so haven't had much time to see what the numbers are in my go to areas. There are definitely quality bucks around and they are smart. Biggest ones I have seen have been up high and in lodgepole and subalpine.
As far as habitat goes, I think the usfs should do more thinning to open up the forest floor to allow grass growth. That will help the elk and moose out as well. I've seen more elk than last year so far (wolves haven't been around for a few weeks) and seen about the same number of moose even though locals are saying the population keeps declining.
As far as predators go, I've seen wolf crap on every road I have been on this year. Wolf season on state and usfs land needs to be open year round.
I've heard there's a petition to close down whitetail hunting for a few years, but I haven't seen it to see what it entails.
Post by: ribka on June 09, 2018, 09:22:48 PM
What a shame
I’m not a ID resident but would not
Mind if ID started limiting number of non Rez tags. Used to be great hunting in ID bit quality, due to greed , has really changed hunting there
Looking into the harvest stats for 10 A, I can't see what the problem is that people think needs fixing? Here is the last 15 years of total harvest in 10 A.Every person that lives here wld say your absolutely wrong. The deer population isn't half of what it use to be. And the amount of hunters that are getting drawn to the area is making it 10x worse. Idaho is pretty good at devastating numbers of wildlife by giving out to many tags as most know by now. I live here and can tell you this needs to happen immediatly. There also worried about the class of the deer. There use to be a large number of giants killed over 160 ever year. That has turned into 130 basket buck. I also know some of the best she hunters in that area. They also agree with the season change due to lack of deer this winter, worst they have ever seen it.
2017 ---- 3322 deer
2016 ---- 3250 deer
2015 ---- 3586 deer
2014 ---- 3131 deer
2013 ---- 2664 deer
2012 ---- 2842 deer
2011 ---- 2640 deer
2010 ---- 2529 deer
2009 ---- 2429 deer
2008 ---- 2429 deer
2007 ---- 2613 deer
2006 ---- 2416 deer
2005 ---- 2497 deer
2004 ---- 2361 deer
2003 ---- 2034 deer
So last year was the second largest harvest in the last 15 years and there is a problem? And the harvest was 900-1000 deer more than most of the previous years? It sounds to me like the hunting is hot there right now. And the harvest rate per hunter is about 10-12% higher than most of those earlier years? My guess is that there are some people out there who are jealous of people who can afford to pay the extra cost of buying a second tag and they pushed this, because based on harvest stats, this wasn't needed.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 10, 2018, 07:08:08 AM
Just wondering.