Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Dman on October 19, 2007, 05:46:53 PM
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Knocked a hog down today about 3.5 miles behind hike in gated roads. 235lbs on the hoof 4x4 with a 5th kicker. Need some rest now, will post pics later tonight.
Darrel
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Kick ass D-! Congrats! Cant wait to seesome pics. :drool:
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Sounds like a hog!!!!
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GO DMAN :IBCOOL:
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:IBCOOL: Way to go DMAN! Can't wait to see pictures.... :)
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Here's one for now, more tomorrow. See the kicker on the right antler? Pretty cool. 2# eyeguards, we conservatively estimate this guy at 235lbs, some were guessing maybe close to 250#. Just smelled of rut. In all I hiked 10 miles and made two trips up the hill, we had to quarter him out. Bone tired. Thanks all, been a couple years since I notched the old tag.
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Nice buck.
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nice buck, can't wait to see the head on shots.
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Thanks much, I'd also like to say thanks to Eric Kellogg, a hunter I met back in there who helped me pack the buck out. Really owe him one.
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Awesome buck. :drool:
All I saw tonight was 11 does and me getting locked in the woods. :)
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Excellent buck D-man. Congrats! Looking forward to more pics.
We do call that a three point on the west coast though. ;)
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Dandy buck. Wish I would have had a nice hunter help me pack mine out! Great job!
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Great job, that is one hell of a nice old blacktail, love the grey in his face...super deer!
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Nice buck, congrats!!
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great old buck, darrell. love the roman nose and a beautiful cape.
apparently your declining gmu payed off 1 more time.
congrats, now go put a slug on the ground in MT.
hows about some more pic's now. i'm stuck in hell(work) all day and will need some pics to look at.
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Pretty buck Dman. Congrats
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Crist it looks like he has a beach ball stuck in his throat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A real trophy ... congrats!
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Thanks again all. Unless I really hosed something up in measuring, he'll easily make SCI minimum. As promised, another pic.
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Once again, great jod D-! Fantastic buck! :drool:
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It should make the 85 inch minimum
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Because of it's mass, we greened it at 120ish SCI, SCI has a 105" minimum from what I was told by the scorer. I estimated it closer to 125, anywhere in the 120 plus range puts it in the top 100 SCI. Never been a record book guy, but all of a sudden I'm getting more into it :) -Is the 85" minimum Boone and Crockett? Everyone's been asking me where I got it, I'll just say Jackelope was really cold.....
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Sweet Blacki congrats!!!
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http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/members/RB/view_minimums.cfm
95" typical
117" non-typical
if he typicals out at 125", he's a booner.
why'd you choose SCI's scale...just curious.
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I was just going to post, thanks. Got the scorer info second hand. The taxidermist friend my family has used for years belong's to SCI and includes official scoring for free with a mount. Can you submit for both SCI and B&C?
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http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/members/RB/view_minimums.cfm
95" typical
117" non-typical
if he typicals out at 125", he's a booner.
why'd you choose SCI's scale...just curious.
Was wondering the same thing.....why SCI?
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I'm not seeing 125. What are your measurements? Just curiouse, probably just the picture, Looks more like 109 to me. I beleive 135 is minimum for B@C all time, 125 honorable mention. The washington state book is 125. Unless you shot it on the west side of I-5 then it can be entered as a western blacktail which is 110. Nice buck again!
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The 85 inches is what I thought SCI was, but I have no clue how that system even works, I've always used Pope or Boone. Though imperfect, they seem to be the standard. I score him at about 103-105 Boone from my computer chair 200 miles away. No need to be quoting scores, just be proud of a nice blacktail. Very few three points score well enough to make book.
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True about that, very happy hunter over here. Being I may never be close to any kind of record again, I wouldn't mind making the SCI 95 minimum. The 125 was just out of my arse, just took the total inches off all measurements, which doesn't seem to be the accurate way to score. I'd be very happy with 105, or 109.
D
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IIJust so you know, I wasnt trying to take away from your hog! Thats why I hate scores , I love to score horns for people but it does take away from a lot of bucks. Just dont do em justice. Bone, I was thinking 105 but didnt want to short change to much. SCORES DONT MATTER!!!! Dandy buck man!
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beautiful blacktail! He will look great on the wall.
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So, I finally got my hands on an SCI score sheet and think I've got the system down, dang Bucklucky you are a good study on that, looks like it will be right at 109 SCI/ 105 Boone. I think I'll put him in head and horns in Puyallup in 2008 -anyone done that before? I heard one horror story of a guy's mount being knocked around on display.
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i took some horns over to monroe last year and they were treated fine...but they could be dropped or something at any time...sh1t happens you know.
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Can't you handle them yourself, you know, be a little selfish and ask for no-one to move them and to call you if they need to be moved?
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no. i wouldn't think so. there was a big line, and they lay your horns on the floor and pick them up to measure when it's your turn. you take a number kind of sort of. i left the horns for like 3 hours last time. i came back after a couple hours and they hadn't even touched them yet. this was at monroe. i saw a lot more horns at puyallup than i did at monroe too.
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if it makes book, $20.00
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Nice buck. I'll call it a 4x4. Looks like his brow tines are over an inch to me.
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Thanks Palmer.
Which book Josh? I know he won't make Boone's 110.
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I won't take your money anyways, just buy me the teal Huntwa ballcap, -you know pull your Mod strings ;)
If not doable, I do always accept coffee donations.... ;D
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I think it was the northwest big game records book. can't remember for sure, but it had the same measurement requirements as B/C if i remember correctly. i took the head of the deer my buddy killed in '05 because he wanted to score it and had to work. i was going to the show and only live a few minutes from the fairgrounds in monroe, so i took them. if they were my horns, i'd remember all this for sure.
http://www.nwbiggame.com/
it appears to be the same minimum requirements as B/C
i meant they charge $20.00 to enter into the book. i'm not charging $20.00.
the time i spend digging up all this crap is worth way more than $20.00
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-you know pull your Mod strings
i'll have to check on my employee discount.
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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Why are you giving bucklucky the credit. I'm the one who gave you 105, he quoted 109. Hell, I measured the whole rack from my computer armchair 200 miles away with my speial digital measureing tape. I should get the $20. :)
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i don't care who gets the $20 as long as i ain't giving it.
i'm going home now to make venison brat's with the crazy neighbor.
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p.s. You're killin me again. Its kind of hard to measure them if you don't let them touch them. As jack said, $hit happens. I had them bounce a 148 elk antler off the floor this year and it broke the tips off of two. Bummer! They are volunteers at these sites and they have to measure countless deer those few days. I know the pressure they are under as I have done it.
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Nice buck. I'll call it a 4x4. Looks like his brow tines are over an inch to me.
C'mon..it is a great buck. A great 3x3 plus eyeguards... :chuckle:
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it is a great 3x3, with or without eyeguards
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Why are you giving bucklucky the credit. I'm the one who gave you 105, he quoted 109. Hell, I measured the whole rack from my computer armchair 200 miles away with my speial digital measureing tape. I should get the $20. :)
True, true, OK. I say you and Bucklucky should split Jack's $20.... Who Moderate's for Moderator's though????? :boxin: :boxin: :boxin:
Seems we also need a "global mediator"......
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Very nice DMAN. That looks a lot like the buck I took in that same area about three years ago. Same three point configuration but not quite as big as yours. Mine also was a very heavy buck for blacktail. Were you close to the around the powerline that we talked about?
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By the way Dman if you go to the taxidermy link and look under subject "blacktail mount" you can see what a 110 blacktail looks like. I had it officially scored.
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Wannahunt, PM sent.
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Beautiful buck! I luv the mass he has.... he just looks BIG! I believe he's a 3x3 though.
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Eyeguard's are 1" and 2", respectively. I never did weight the buck, but I can tell you, I shot a buck up in old Champion/ Kapowsin around 1998, hanging weight at 178lbs, live weight approx. 235 and I packed it and loaded it up without too much difficulty. I could not budge this buck before it was cleaned out. I weigh 225 and it was MUCH heavier than myself. We trimmed so much fat off of the chest/ rib cage area, it averaged over an inch thick in places. I've also packed out a 185lb bear (cleaned out) on my back recently. After we boned out the mid-section, we split up the two bags of meat, Eric took the haunches and I took the front quarter's. Even at that we still ended up having to set one quarter down to haul the other out and come back for the other quarter. I would have included a larger body shot, but I hit him pretty hard in the mid-section, not pretty, didn't think it would be appropriate to post.
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Darrell, I have to tell you that my father raised a gentleman, and out of respect for him, you, and the kind spirit of this board I have held my tongue, but you have to quite quoting numbers like these. I'm about to pounce like a vulture on a dead carcass. You packed a 185 pound bear on your back. 10 feet, a mile...what? You are talking straight up with a large farm boy that has packed some amazing loads, including huge moose quarters that were scaled.......anyhow then the weight of a deer. I mean no way for this to be a pissing contest, but I doubt my buck weighed 250 pounds. I'm glad for you that you got a nice buck. I'm even gladder that its your biggest, but quit ruining it by pounding your chest. Its a very nice heavy respectable three point blacktail. No record book deer, not the type you have security guards posted on, but the type you can smile about. I maybe making a fool of myself, but I call a spade a spade, fault me for it. NICE DEER!
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Wow............It is a nice buck.
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Very nice buck. Who cares what it scored or how much it weighed. IMO most people suck at judging the distance of their shots and it is probably even harder to judge the weight of an animal just by looking and trying to move dead weight. I don't think weight factors into any scoring method anyway. If it did, guides in baby blue shirts would be hauling scales around in their packs and trying to figure out how to get live animals to step on strategically placed scales before their hunters arrive.
My buck had a lot of fat on him but I'm sure he didn't weigh that much but he damn sure felt like it when I was packing/lifting him. Congrats on a great deer. I love the color of the antlers
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I agree the weight and score do not matter. At the same time... anyone suggesting their unweighed blacktail buck is 200+ lbs might as well expect to be questioned on the matter.
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I suck at all of the above. See, I didn't finish the story. This was a Hanford buck, retarded in to stupidity, that's the only reason I got him... I was using Verne Troyer's camera (That's why it looks bigger than the actual 62lbs he weighed). I was actually driving a road and hit him with a Buick, no skill involved there, elusive little sucker's in the headlight's though. I guess than, you can also tell by my numerous photos of my hunt, that I'm also a midget if the deer was 62lbs... Cat's out of the bag now I guess...
Thanks all for the 'positive' comments -D
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Huntwa, I agree with you (and Bone). It is reasonable to question a claimed weight of over 200 lbs when it doesn't seem to have been weighed. Its a nice big buck but doubt the claimed weight. My buck also had a lot of fat on him but not enough to hit 200lbs. I wouldn't even want to guess what he weighed.
Dman, the buck is sweet. I am in no way trying to take away from the skill necessary to kill that buck or slam you at all. I shot my buck at about 50 yards. Mine was not a hard shot to make. People could debate what is more difficult, shooting a deer at 400 yards or stalking one to within 40 yards all day long with no clear winner. You've had some great success and I you deserve all the credit for it. Great job!
I worked retail sporting goods when I was going through college and I remember one indian guy coming in to buy ammo. He was bragging about the bull elk he shot. He said he missed 3 shots at 700 yards while the bull was standing still but as soon as it started running he made a perfect shot right in the vitals. His conclusion was that he was such a great shot that he just couldn't hit an animal unless it was running. WTF??
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Dman, I wouldn't be upset it's just that I have never laid eyes on a blacktail buck that weighed over 225 lbs. I know that there are plenty of critters that break the statistical norms in one way or another but that's how I feel about the weight. It's not an attack... As I previously mentioned I thought it was a nice buck and being a person who has not filled their tag I am also jealous as well.
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nobody's trying to take away from the buck. it's a great blacktail buck, flat out. we flipped you some shat about the 3 point thing, all joking around. i come from upstate new york. there are huge bodied whitetails in the north country there that rarely reach 250. 250-300 pound deer come from saskatchewan, not western wa.
i always thought blacktail deer were little-bodied...the whitetail i killed in '05 was big. i had problems moving him by myself. i would have hit him at 200lbs on the hoof.
i'm kind of a big dude and can hold my own when it comes to lugging around dead deer.
that being said...and no disrespect to anybody, the only thing moving around a 200lb dead deer without much trouble is a quarterhorse.
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Dman, I wouldn't be upset it's just that I have never laid eyes on a blacktail buck that weighed over 225 lbs. I know that there are plenty of critters that break the statistical norms in one way or another but that's how I feel about the weight. It's not an attack... As I previously mentioned I thought it was a nice buck and being a person who has not filled their tag I am also jealous as well.
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Well, now you've seen a half dozen more... Keep in mind these are (hanging) weights, add 30% to each. These are Blacktail from the Sauk.
http://www.saukrivertradingpost.com/hall_of_fame.htm
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those guys really like shooting bear cubs too.
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-No offense taken by the way, takes a lot to get me riled. But equally, I would say meaning no offense to anyone that I know some of the folks who posted do not hunt blacktail. Blackies have been my primary quarry since I was a kid and went hunting for them with my old man. If there is one type of hunting I know well, including the size of my quarry, it's blacktail hunting. Most of you don't know me well enough to judge, so I don't take offense. Just the same, I would not pretend to be able to as accurately judge a whitetail, or a mule deer as well as some of you.
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nuff said.
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Well, now you've seen a half dozen more... Keep in mind these are (hanging) weights, add 30% to each. These are Blacktail from the Sauk.
http://www.saukrivertradingpost.com/hall_of_fame.htm
I didn't see half a dozen there but it's just like I said. Animals break the statistics all the time. I still don't believe it until someone puts it on the scale. I am sticking to my word. Whether you say that I am not credible enough to have a say I am not offended by that. Accurate scales clear up all of these things... just like a measurer would on some antlers.
The images here are not of a 225+ lb blacktail on a scale. That's not a challenge but just how it really is. In fact .. had you told me you weighed it I would have taken your word on the weight.. As I have mentioned before... the weight and the horns are nothing compared to the excitement and gratification behind the adventure.
I am not really much of a self talker any more as I once was when I was younger but when I did claim something I would try to be sure.
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OK, well apparantly I'm inexperienced. Thats fine. I feel no need to get in a ###### measuring contest. My biggest goal of this whole conversation is to make sure those that aren't aware of the facts, become aware of them. It also gives credit to their animals. Believe what you want, thats whats important anyway. I was trying to let you know thatyou were "walking around with your fly open", . You scored a great trophy, why take away from it with banter. By teh way, I know what a trophy Blacktail looks like.
ps Huntwas last sentence is DAMN good advice.
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Kind of tough to weigh a boned out deer, even if I had a scale, which I don't, and had the time to do it, which I didn't. Please take this post down, I've asked once already and don't feel it's constructive to have it up anymore.
Thanks
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