Post by: Bob33 on April 18, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2018/wsr_18-03-177.pdf
WAC 220-412-080 Special hunting season permits.
This proposal revises wording in the “once in a lifetime” part of special hunting permits for moose, to reflect the proposed change in hunt categories from “any moose” to “antlered bull moose.” Any “point” accumulated under the “any moose” category will be transferred to the “antlered bull moose” category.
Additionally applicants for special hunting season permits will be required to either complete hunter education prior to submitting a permit application, or be exempt from the hunter education requirement.
Post by: Tbar on April 18, 2018, 12:01:41 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 18, 2018, 12:04:15 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2018, 12:06:05 PM
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Post by: Tbar on April 18, 2018, 12:20:10 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on April 18, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
This is a sad rule change. The youth are the future ambassadors of the outdoors and this just might be the lynchpin that holds their interest and involvement.
Absolutely agree.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2018, 12:28:01 PM
This is a sad rule change. The youth are the future ambassadors of the outdoors and this just might be the lynchpin that holds their interest and involvement.I personally don't feel it's that doom and gloom. Realistically even starting them at birth with points will have no measurable effect on their chances at moose, sheep, goat. As bobcat stated, with only 1 youth moose permit available in the youth category, they don't even have a realistic chance at that tag. If anything it will force points out of the youth system which isn't a terrible thing. You already had to have hunter ed and tags to apply for youth deer and elk anyways so change is minimal. I have an 8 and 6 year old who have max points for their age fyi
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2018, 12:28:24 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
This would have raised revenue as well, non residents wouldn't be able to apply quite so easily.
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2018, 12:33:55 PM
Couldn't they have simply required the purchase of a license to apply, like they do for deer/elk?
This would have raised revenue as well, non residents wouldn't be able to apply quite so easily.
Which license?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2018, 12:36:31 PM
Couldn't they have simply required the purchase of a license to apply, like they do for deer/elk?can't buy a deer or elk combo without passing hunters ed so that's basically exactly what they did. They'd have to create an oil license or big game license and then split the deer elk bear cougar into a separate tag purchase.
This would have raised revenue as well, non residents wouldn't be able to apply quite so easily.
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2018, 12:38:00 PM
Couldn't they have simply required the purchase of a license to apply, like they do for deer/elk?can't buy a deer or elk combo without passing hunters ed so that's basically exactly what they did. They'd have to create an oil license or big game license and then split the deer elk bear cougar into a separate tag purchase.
This would have raised revenue as well, non residents wouldn't be able to apply quite so easily.
Not quite, the way they are implementing it leaves non residents still able to apply on the cheap.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2018, 12:45:55 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 18, 2018, 12:56:22 PM
Ah ok I get what you're saying. I was on the youth only mindset. Yes you are correct.
No way does WDFW miss a opportunity to raise revenue either, this tells me it is a conscious decision on their part to keep non residents able to apply without purchasing a license.
Think about it, the only difference in their approach on this is non residents are not affected. If they required a hunting license purchase before hunting, it would have the same effect on parents applying their newborns and results they are looking for.
Post by: Stein on April 18, 2018, 01:24:55 PM
If anything, I would support taking adult tags and assigning them to youth. :peep:
Post by: Tbar on April 18, 2018, 01:33:50 PM
They cannot apply in youth. Just m/s/g, you are absolutely right as to a measurable difference however its a tool of inclusion. Any hook you can set into youth is a huge benefit. The nonresident component is bothersome, but not to a point where I would concede the inclusion of kids.This is a sad rule change. The youth are the future ambassadors of the outdoors and this just might be the lynchpin that holds their interest and involvement.I personally don't feel it's that doom and gloom. Realistically even starting them at birth with points will have no measurable effect on their chances at moose, sheep, goat. As bobcat stated, with only 1 youth moose permit available in the youth category, they don't even have a realistic chance at that tag. If anything it will force points out of the youth system which isn't a terrible thing. You already had to have hunter ed and tags to apply for youth deer and elk anyways so change is minimal. I have an 8 and 6 year old who have max points for their age fyi
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
Post by: Tbar on April 18, 2018, 01:51:34 PM
I never said I was relying on this, it is a tool of inclusion and hope. Today's youth have many distractions and to be frank, many people with the correct "mentoring" do not follow their passion into the professional world, it is underappreciated and pays less than other fields that are much easier to master. Thanks for calling me a failure as a mentor, very mature.they can't apply in youth categories but they can absolutely accrue points in youth moose and sheep. I do agree hook em young but if you are relying on impossible odds to do so you are failing as a mentor of the outdoor lifestyle. My kids have no clue they have points for youth moose and sheep but what they do know is catching 50 blue gills in an afternoon is fun. They know shooting the spinner target with the .22 is a kick. They know hiking and exploring with dad is the most fun you can possibly have and they know deer steak is really good. Loving to hunt is only a natural progression from there.They cannot apply in youth. Just m/s/g, you are absolutely right as to a measurable difference however its a tool of inclusion. Any hook you can set into youth is a huge benefit. The nonresident component is bothersome, but not to a point where I would concede the inclusion of kids.This is a sad rule change. The youth are the future ambassadors of the outdoors and this just might be the lynchpin that holds their interest and involvement.I personally don't feel it's that doom and gloom. Realistically even starting them at birth with points will have no measurable effect on their chances at moose, sheep, goat. As bobcat stated, with only 1 youth moose permit available in the youth category, they don't even have a realistic chance at that tag. If anything it will force points out of the youth system which isn't a terrible thing. You already had to have hunter ed and tags to apply for youth deer and elk anyways so change is minimal. I have an 8 and 6 year old who have max points for their age fyi
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2018, 02:36:49 PM
Post by: X-Force on April 18, 2018, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 18, 2018, 04:06:50 PM
I don't know if the rule passed or not but they have allowed points purchasing without a license or hunters ED for the past 2 months so I cant see them able to implement this rule this year.yep already got my kids theirs
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 18, 2018, 05:39:30 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 27, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
You should still be able to buy your kids the points option though correct? It would make sense that they wouldn't want kids applying for a special permit unless they had their hunters safety complete. Unless I'm missing something?? :dunno:
No, hunters safety is required now.
Post by: curtdiesel on May 23, 2018, 02:49:19 PM
Curt
Post by: B4noon on May 23, 2018, 03:24:17 PM
Post by: Stein on May 23, 2018, 04:06:05 PM
That said, I would gladly give up any regular tags to increase youth tag opportunities. There are a few really good youth hunts, but I would love to see it even better. My best hunts are when I am head guide, cook and packer.