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Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: dvolmer on April 23, 2018, 08:33:36 PM

Title: Montana Point????
Post by: dvolmer on April 23, 2018, 08:33:36 PM: How many of you all that were successful in the Montana Big Game Combo license purchased a point in the system for the drawing?? How many of you that did or didn't draw purchase a point. I didn't draw this year and its the first time in 10 years that I didn't draw. I didn't purchase a preference point with my license application. After reading the regs, it looks like if you did buy the pref point it applied to the year you bought it. Not like Wyoming where your pref point only is used in the following years application.

I guess what I am asking is, If I would have purchased a point for $50 when i applied, would it have insured or given me a much higher chance of drawing the Big game combo license this year???
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: jjhunter on April 23, 2018, 08:54:10 PM: I believe that 75% of the General tags go to those with the most preference points and 25% are random draw.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: High Climber on April 23, 2018, 09:09:48 PM: I guess what I am asking is, If I would have purchased a point for $50 when i applied, would it have insured or given me a much higher chance of drawing the Big game combo license this year???
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My understanding is no, your odds this year would not have changed. If you opt out of the point, you will still have “1 point” on your application for that year. If you opted in, you would still have 1 point on the current app, it would just carry over to next year if you didn’t draw. Starting July 1 you can buy your point again if you choose to. :tup:
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: The scout on April 23, 2018, 09:15:41 PM: The thing is they have been having more big game combos than applications so there hasn’t been an issue with not drawing until this year.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: dvolmer on April 23, 2018, 11:19:06 PM: Quote from the Montana FWP web sight: "Applicants may purchase only one preference point per license year. Preference points purchased at the time of application are awarded prior to the drawing." So it does seem to help you draw the year you buy. I didn't draw this year, but if I would have spent the $50 for a preference point my odds this year would have been better. That is how I read it. This is much different than the way Wyoming and other western states are. the preference point you buy this year in these states does not help you draw this year but will give you a better odds the next year if you don't draw this year. i wish I would have known that before I put in. Live and learn I guess!
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: steeleywhopper on April 24, 2018, 01:10:18 AM: My buddy and I went in partners on the big game combo and we were drawn. We did not buy a preference point.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on April 24, 2018, 07:38:08 AM: I bought the point, and drew this year. I assumed it was a given, but it looks like allot of guys struck out.

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Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: Duckhunter14 on April 24, 2018, 07:47:45 AM: For several years consecutively there were more big game combos then there were applicants so there was no reason to pay the 50$ preference point fee. But for some reason there was an influx in applicants last year and there was more applicants than big game combos. They anticipated it would be even more competitive this year, I went ahead and paid the 50$ when I applied and it showed that I had one preference point in my FWP folder, then I drew the big game combo and my preference point went to zero.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: High Climber on April 24, 2018, 07:53:15 AM: Quote from: dvolmer on April 23, 2018, 11:19:06 PM
Quote from the Montana FWP web sight: "Applicants may purchase only one preference point per license year. Preference points purchased at the time of application are awarded prior to the drawing." So it does seem to help you draw the year you buy. I didn't draw this year, but if I would have spent the $50 for a preference point my odds this year would have been better. That is how I read it. This is much different than the way Wyoming and other western states are. the preference point you buy this year in these states does not help you draw this year but will give you a better odds the next year if you don't draw this year. i wish I would have known that before I put in. Live and learn I guess!
I stand corrected, that is an odd system!
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2018, 08:16:12 AM: Sort of similar to Washington in that the point is used in that year's drawing, except of course here you don't have a choice in "buying" the point or not. It's just automatically added to your points when your application is submitted. And of course also our points are not preference points.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: Bob33 on April 24, 2018, 08:29:28 AM: FWP uses a unique approach to provide all applicants at least one opportunity at drawing a license/permit, while still giving those individuals who have been unsuccessful in the past a chance to increase their odds of drawing a license/permit in the future.

Applicants applying for a license/permit who participate in the Bonus Point system, and are unsuccessful in the drawing, will earn one point. Individuals who missed the deadline to apply or did not apply for bonus points at time of application, may purchase one between July 1st and September 30th of the license year. The bonus points can be used in future years to place the applicants name in the drawing additional times. The number of additional chances is calculated by squaring the base bonus points. Unlike a preference system, a Bonus Points system does not guarantee a license/permit to the applicants with the most bonus points and first-time applicants still have a chance to draw a license/permit. Any bonus points accumulated will not be lost unless the individual draws the species they applied their bonus points to.
•Bonus points essentially offer you additional drawing chances and are used for first hunting district choice only.
•Existing bonus points will be mathematically “squared” prior to the drawing. That means if you already have 3 “base” bonus points those will be “squared” and you’ll then have 9 bonus points going into the drawing.
•If you’re unsuccessful, you’ll be awarded an additional base bonus point for next year’s drawing. Bonus Points do not expire.
•If you wish to participate in the Bonus Point program for licenses/ permits, at the time of your application, you must check “YES” on the Bonus Point questions and include the $20 (nonresident) or $2 (resident) Bonus Point fee per permit type.
•If you did not apply for a bonus point you can purchase a bonus point from July 1st through September 30th. The fee to purchase a bonus point without applying is $15 per species for residents and the nonresident fees are $25 per species with the exception of Moose, Sheep, and Goat which are $75 per species. Note: You cannot apply and purchase bonus points in the same year.

http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/licenses/drawings/bonusPoints.html
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2018, 08:38:43 AM: Okay, what do I know, they are bonus points, not preference. Thanks for the education. Only time I ever applied in Montana was 18 years ago and that was for antelope.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: Bob33 on April 24, 2018, 08:43:44 AM: I don't believe you can increase draw odds by purchasing a point prior to the same year's draw or everyone would do it.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: Duckhunter14 on April 24, 2018, 10:09:34 AM: Quote from: Bob33 on April 24, 2018, 08:29:28 AM
FWP uses a unique approach to provide all applicants at least one opportunity at drawing a license/permit, while still giving those individuals who have been unsuccessful in the past a chance to increase their odds of drawing a license/permit in the future.

Applicants applying for a license/permit who participate in the Bonus Point system, and are unsuccessful in the drawing, will earn one point. Individuals who missed the deadline to apply or did not apply for bonus points at time of application, may purchase one between July 1st and September 30th of the license year. The bonus points can be used in future years to place the applicants name in the drawing additional times. The number of additional chances is calculated by squaring the base bonus points. Unlike a preference system, a Bonus Points system does not guarantee a license/permit to the applicants with the most bonus points and first-time applicants still have a chance to draw a license/permit. Any bonus points accumulated will not be lost unless the individual draws the species they applied their bonus points to.
•Bonus points essentially offer you additional drawing chances and are used for first hunting district choice only.
•Existing bonus points will be mathematically “squared” prior to the drawing. That means if you already have 3 “base” bonus points those will be “squared” and you’ll then have 9 bonus points going into the drawing.
•If you’re unsuccessful, you’ll be awarded an additional base bonus point for next year’s drawing. Bonus Points do not expire.
•If you wish to participate in the Bonus Point program for licenses/ permits, at the time of your application, you must check “YES” on the Bonus Point questions and include the $20 (nonresident) or $2 (resident) Bonus Point fee per permit type.
•If you did not apply for a bonus point you can purchase a bonus point from July 1st through September 30th. The fee to purchase a bonus point without applying is $15 per species for residents and the nonresident fees are $25 per species with the exception of Moose, Sheep, and Goat which are $75 per species. Note: You cannot apply and purchase bonus points in the same year.

http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/licenses/drawings/bonusPoints.html

I believe the OP was referring to the preference point one can choose to purchase when applying for a combo. Not the individual bonus point per species. The information you provided is correct for building bonus on a species to species basis. But not applicable to the preference point in question.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: jjhunter on April 24, 2018, 10:15:52 AM: Quote from: Duckhunter14 on April 24, 2018, 10:09:34 AM
Quote from: Bob33 on April 24, 2018, 08:29:28 AM
FWP uses a unique approach to provide all applicants at least one opportunity at drawing a license/permit, while still giving those individuals who have been unsuccessful in the past a chance to increase their odds of drawing a license/permit in the future.

Applicants applying for a license/permit who participate in the Bonus Point system, and are unsuccessful in the drawing, will earn one point. Individuals who missed the deadline to apply or did not apply for bonus points at time of application, may purchase one between July 1st and September 30th of the license year. The bonus points can be used in future years to place the applicants name in the drawing additional times. The number of additional chances is calculated by squaring the base bonus points. Unlike a preference system, a Bonus Points system does not guarantee a license/permit to the applicants with the most bonus points and first-time applicants still have a chance to draw a license/permit. Any bonus points accumulated will not be lost unless the individual draws the species they applied their bonus points to.
•Bonus points essentially offer you additional drawing chances and are used for first hunting district choice only.
•Existing bonus points will be mathematically “squared” prior to the drawing. That means if you already have 3 “base” bonus points those will be “squared” and you’ll then have 9 bonus points going into the drawing.
•If you’re unsuccessful, you’ll be awarded an additional base bonus point for next year’s drawing. Bonus Points do not expire.
•If you wish to participate in the Bonus Point program for licenses/ permits, at the time of your application, you must check “YES” on the Bonus Point questions and include the $20 (nonresident) or $2 (resident) Bonus Point fee per permit type.
•If you did not apply for a bonus point you can purchase a bonus point from July 1st through September 30th. The fee to purchase a bonus point without applying is $15 per species for residents and the nonresident fees are $25 per species with the exception of Moose, Sheep, and Goat which are $75 per species. Note: You cannot apply and purchase bonus points in the same year.

http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/licenses/drawings/bonusPoints.html

I believe the OP was referring to the preference point one can choose to purchase when applying for a combo. Not the individual bonus point per species. The information you provided is correct for building bonus on a species to species basis. But not applicable to the preference point in question.

:yeah: Preference for general draw and bonus for special draw.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: idaho guy on April 24, 2018, 06:21:52 PM: your odds would have been better. preference points is used in the current years draw
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: dvolmer on May 16, 2018, 10:07:26 PM: I called the Helena office and talked to a licensing specialist. Everyone, and I mean everyone that purchased a point got a license (big game combo license). The remainder of the licenses were then ran through a drawing with all those that didn't purchase a point. somewhere around 3000 applicants weren't successful and all 3000 didn't buy a point. FYI
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: dvolmer on May 16, 2018, 10:09:17 PM: Quote from: jjhunter on April 23, 2018, 08:54:10 PM
I believe that 75% of the General tags go to those with the most preference points and 25% are random draw.
That is the Wyoming system. Not Montana.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: greenhead_killer on May 17, 2018, 07:48:02 AM: I drew the combo and did not buy the point
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: jjhunter on May 17, 2018, 08:27:33 AM: Quote from: dvolmer on May 16, 2018, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: jjhunter on April 23, 2018, 08:54:10 PM
I believe that 75% of the General tags go to those with the most preference points and 25% are random draw.
That is the Wyoming system. Not Montana.

That is absolutely how Montana conducts the drawing for general combo licenses.

Wyoming is 40% Special / 60% Regular with 75/25 split in each category.
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 17, 2018, 09:00:00 AM: Quote from: dvolmer on May 16, 2018, 10:07:26 PM
I called the Helena office and talked to a licensing specialist. Everyone, and I mean everyone that purchased a point got a license (big game combo license). The remainder of the licenses were then ran through a drawing with all those that didn't purchase a point. somewhere around 3000 applicants weren't successful and all 3000 didn't buy a point. FYI

Make sure to post that on all the hunting websites you find. If only to make it even harder to draw...
Title: Re: Montana Point????
Post by: jackelope on May 17, 2018, 09:10:10 AM: Quote from: 257 Wby Mag on May 17, 2018, 09:00:00 AM
Quote from: dvolmer on May 16, 2018, 10:07:26 PM
I called the Helena office and talked to a licensing specialist. Everyone, and I mean everyone that purchased a point got a license (big game combo license). The remainder of the licenses were then ran through a drawing with all those that didn't purchase a point. somewhere around 3000 applicants weren't successful and all 3000 didn't buy a point. FYI

Make sure to post that on all the hunting websites you find. If only to make it even harder to draw...

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