Post by: CP on May 04, 2018, 11:57:02 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2018, 12:07:25 PM
The top one can go........
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on May 04, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
There’s a ton of different research and comparisons online, couple good YouTube videos too. Specs show that the eco boost tows more and has more torque. The 5.0 has more payload. If I remember correctly.
I’ve enjoyed the eco boost so far. Although I wouldn’t buy one for the fuel economy. I’m at about 15.5 with a 33.2 inch Nitto Trail grappler tire and 2 inch level.
I don’t think you can go wrong either way. The 5.0 has been around for a long time and has the good ole v8 sound. But the ecoboost has been performing really well ever since they came out, I think around 2011.
If I was to get the eco boost now, it’d be with the new 10 speed transmission
Good luck!
Post by: CP on May 04, 2018, 12:59:38 PM
Very open ended. What's the application? Are you buying new? Judging by the engine choices I'm going with yes.
The top one can go........
Yes, new. It needs to:
• Tow the 17’ Arima (about 3K lbs)
• Tow a dual snowmobile trailer over the passes
• Tow dual ATVs on a trailer
• I want to put my ATV in the back and close the tailgate (this oddly enough may limit my engine choices – I can’t close the gate with a 6.5’ bed and there is no such animal as an 8’ bed F150 with a 3.5 engine (??).
• I intend to put many dead animals and fish in the bed.
• Haul firewood
• Do the usual and customary truck duties.
Post by: CP on May 04, 2018, 01:01:49 PM
The 5.0 has been around for a long time and has the good ole v8 sound.
I had a 5.0L (302) in my 1st truck, a 1970 F100. That was a good engine.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
Very open ended. What's the application? Are you buying new? Judging by the engine choices I'm going with yes.
The top one can go........
Yes, new. It needs to:
• Tow the 17’ Arima (about 3K lbs)
• Tow a dual snowmobile trailer over the passes
• Tow dual ATVs on a trailer
• I want to put my ATV in the back and close the tailgate (this oddly enough may limit my engine choices – I can’t close the gate with a 6.5’ bed and there is no such animal as an 8’ bed F150 with a 3.5 engine (??).
• I intend to put many dead animals and fish in the bed.
• Haul firewood
• Do the usual and customary truck duties.
How many full sized seats do you need?
Post by: CP on May 04, 2018, 01:16:52 PM
Very open ended. What's the application? Are you buying new? Judging by the engine choices I'm going with yes.
The top one can go........
Yes, new. It needs to:
• Tow the 17’ Arima (about 3K lbs)
• Tow a dual snowmobile trailer over the passes
• Tow dual ATVs on a trailer
• I want to put my ATV in the back and close the tailgate (this oddly enough may limit my engine choices – I can’t close the gate with a 6.5’ bed and there is no such animal as an 8’ bed F150 with a 3.5 engine (??).
• I intend to put many dead animals and fish in the bed.
• Haul firewood
• Do the usual and customary truck duties.
How many full sized seats do you need?
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Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2018, 01:28:05 PM
Very open ended. What's the application? Are you buying new? Judging by the engine choices I'm going with yes.
The top one can go........
Yes, new. It needs to:
• Tow the 17’ Arima (about 3K lbs)
• Tow a dual snowmobile trailer over the passes
• Tow dual ATVs on a trailer
• I want to put my ATV in the back and close the tailgate (this oddly enough may limit my engine choices – I can’t close the gate with a 6.5’ bed and there is no such animal as an 8’ bed F150 with a 3.5 engine (??).
• I intend to put many dead animals and fish in the bed.
• Haul firewood
• Do the usual and customary truck duties.
There are 2 different 3.5 ecoboosts. You can get the 8' bed with the regular ecoboost but not the high output ecoboost.
Did you try building it online?
https://shop.ford.com/build/f150/#/select/
It let me build it with the 3.5 ecoboost, 8' bed, regular cab or the super cab and the 10 speed auto.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2018, 01:36:34 PM
Post by: jstone on June 03, 2018, 12:03:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 03, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
Would that 3.5 tow my 21.5 foot boat over the pass ok? I’m in the market for a truck. Just so expensive.
My old half ton Chevy with the 5.3 would tow my 21’ boat over the pass.
The 3.5 ecoboost F150, properly equipped, is rated to tow over 13k pounds.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 03, 2018, 01:22:16 PM
Post by: timberfaller on June 03, 2018, 02:00:02 PM
Just like chain saws, smaller required more RPM's which in the long run wore out faster. Larger saws with low end torque lasted longer and got more done!
If you just have to have a Ford, the 5L is the only choice you've offered on list.
Post by: CP on June 03, 2018, 02:07:37 PM
Would that 3.5 tow my 21.5 foot boat over the pass ok? I’m in the market for a truck. Just so expensive.
A 21.5' boat is about 3K pounds, add trailer and gear and you will still be well under 5K. Any of the F150 engines should handle that easily.
I went with the 2.7L and it's rated to tow 7.6K. More than enough for my needs. It has more torque and HP than my old V8. Peak torque is at lower RPM too (2750). So far I'm happy with it.
Post by: jackelope on June 03, 2018, 02:19:50 PM
All my friends who had the "eco-boost" after towing for a little bit, got rid of them and went with the Dodge Hemi model.
Just like chain saws, smaller required more RPM's which in the long run wore out faster. Larger saws with low end torque lasted longer and got more done!
If you just have to have a Ford, the 5L is the only choice you've offered on list.
Wrong.
Even the puny 2.7 ecoboost makes almost as much torque as the 5.0 and at lower RPM’s.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180603/5e7a404bd9520d7135366cc8ec1e358a.jpg)
Post by: jackelope on June 03, 2018, 02:26:34 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on June 03, 2018, 04:22:29 PM
Post by: elkaholic123 on June 03, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
Post by: timberfaller on June 03, 2018, 06:42:38 PM
:sry: if that offends anyone.
Post by: hollymaster on June 03, 2018, 07:26:25 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 03, 2018, 07:37:23 PM
Josh, is it available with a diesel?
Not yet.
Post by: jackelope on June 03, 2018, 07:41:31 PM
I can only report what I've seen and heard :tup: My friends have given up their eco-boost over towing issues.
:sry: if that offends anyone.
Not offended. I was just replying to your low end torque comments. I’m surrounded by them day in and day out. They had some issues early on with intercoolers. Caused a flutter/shudder type feeling almost like a slight misfire. Ford came up with a fix for it and that was that. We deal with very, very few engine issues now. I have a forestry company with a fleet of ecoboost powered F150’s that get the crap beat out of them in the woods and they’re not having issues. I have lots of construction companies who bring their trucks to me. They beat the crap out of them and don’t take care of them well at all and the engines are solid. I’ve driven them. You can’t deny the power they have. It’s crazy to drive a v6 with that much power.
Post by: elkaholic123 on June 03, 2018, 07:45:05 PM
You can order one?Josh, is it available with a diesel?
Not yet.
Post by: tchoutacabouffa on June 03, 2018, 07:49:08 PM
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Post by: cavemann on June 03, 2018, 08:19:17 PM
BTW the aluminum body new F150's get just as good gas milleage with the 5.0L..
Just my experience, by no means am I a mechanic. But I have 118k on this one and put over 200k on my 5.4's..
Post by: elkaholic123 on June 03, 2018, 08:29:54 PM
Really? Why would you not want to drive a 5.0? If you buy a v6, you should also get a plaque to hang your balls on.I have the 6.2L in my 2012😉
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Post by: tchoutacabouffa on June 03, 2018, 08:51:02 PM
And your balls.Really? Why would you not want to drive a 5.0? If you buy a v6, you should also get a plaque to hang your balls on.I have the 6.2L in my 2012😉
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Post by: JWEBB on June 04, 2018, 02:00:33 AM
All my friends who had the "eco-boost" after towing for a little bit, got rid of them and went with the Dodge Hemi model.
Just like chain saws, smaller required more RPM's which in the long run wore out faster. Larger saws with low end torque lasted longer and got more done!
If you just have to have a Ford, the 5L is the only choice you've offered on list.
:yeah: agree 100%
Post by: C-Money on June 04, 2018, 06:50:24 AM
Post by: CP on June 04, 2018, 07:04:23 AM
I’ve got about 800 miles on it so far and I’m averaging 19 MPG – that’s mostly around town and towing light loads. I’ve towed 2 snowmobiles over the pass and it was like the trailer wasn’t even there. Pulled my Arima up the hill from the Mukilteo boat launch (with the parking brake on :-[) without breaking a sweat.
As to fuel consumption it seems to have two modes; Eco and Boost. I got 34 MPG from Easton to Issaquah. But the other way with a trailer was more like 14 MPG. Keep the turbos down and it does great, kick them in not so much.
I haven’t gotten used to that TINGGG sound when something hits the underside of the aluminum. Somehow that just doesn’t sound right. Other than that and the push button parking brake, I like it.
Post by: Bwana Bob on June 04, 2018, 07:19:22 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 04, 2018, 08:04:43 AM
The 5.0 has been around for a long time and has the good ole v8 sound.
I had a 5.0L (302) in my 1st truck, a 1970 F100. That was a good engine.
I have a 2015 F150 with the 302 in it. I talked to a lot of guys who have the Ecoboost. Some love it, some don't. In the end decided to go with the 302. I had a '66 Mustang when I was in high school that I dropped a 302 into, had 4 buddies that all had old Broncos with it, dad had a '79 pickup with one...
It's got all the power you'll need.
The Eco Boost will save you on gas BUT ONLY on long, highway trips. I have a buddy that has one and does a lot of road travel with it for his job. Says it saves him gas on trips, but doesn't save anything over the V8 in stop-and-go driving in town or tooling around in the mountains. :twocents:
Post by: eastsidemallard74 on June 04, 2018, 08:28:43 AM
Post by: lamrith on June 04, 2018, 08:48:25 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 04, 2018, 09:02:01 AM
You can order one?Josh, is it available with a diesel?
Not yet.
Could be I guess... I try to avoid the sales side of things here. I haven't seen one in person.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 04, 2018, 09:06:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 04, 2018, 09:07:53 AM
And your balls.Really? Why would you not want to drive a 5.0? If you buy a v6, you should also get a plaque to hang your balls on.I have the 6.2L in my 2012😉
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This is comical.
Post by: jackelope on June 04, 2018, 09:08:08 AM
You guys do realize the new 5.0 coyote moter is completely different than the old pushrod two valve engines
There's that too.
:dunno:
Post by: b23 on June 04, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
We bought a new Explorer Platinum with the 3.5 Ecoboost about six months ago. Doesn't really get driven a whole lot, it currently only has 2100 miles on it, but from the little I have driven it the power is pretty good and is very smooth and linear. My daily driver is a 2013 Tacoma 4.0L that I put a TRD Supercharger on. The power is very different feeling in it compared to the 3.5 EcoBoost. I keep telling my wife I'd like to take them both out and do a little drag race test but she thinks her Explorer will blow my doors off and I'm not worth her time. Whatever! :rolleyes:
Post by: elkaholic123 on June 04, 2018, 09:45:03 AM
You can order one?Josh, is it available with a diesel?
Not yet.
Could be I guess... I try to avoid the sales side of things here. I haven't seen one in person.
Post by: J.Brower on June 04, 2018, 09:57:57 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 04, 2018, 11:37:30 AM
You guys do realize the new 5.0 coyote moter is completely different than the old pushrod two valve enginesWhat? But but but a 5.0 is a 5.0 isn’t it. Exactly the same today as they were in the 80s!? :chuckle:
Post by: Bofire on June 04, 2018, 11:41:42 AM
Carl
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 04, 2018, 11:42:52 AM
It impressed @coachcw going to Colorado and back. Loaded completely full. Set the cruise and just went at 87-90 mph.
Haven’t towed a bunch but I don’t normally tow a lot.
Post by: jackelope on June 04, 2018, 12:28:24 PM
Not to Jack this thread but Jackelopes post showing the Horse power etc. on these motor made me look at some other companies and the ratings they publish. I do not believe any of them, I think the HP ratings are pumped up by every one of them.
Carl
Why?
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 04, 2018, 12:37:40 PM
All my friends who had the "eco-boost" after towing for a little bit, got rid of them and went with the Dodge Hemi model.
Just like chain saws, smaller required more RPM's which in the long run wore out faster. Larger saws with low end torque lasted longer and got more done!
If you just have to have a Ford, the 5L is the only choice you've offered on list.
That thinking is 30 years out of date.
Post by: Tacbeav on June 04, 2018, 12:51:57 PM
Post by: elksnout on June 04, 2018, 09:22:38 PM
For those who do opt for the V6, that must be one heck of a motor. Everyone knows what they like.
Elksnout
Post by: CP on June 05, 2018, 05:53:53 AM
A guy I know at work just bought a 3.5L in a Lariat with the tow package, little knob to help backup your trailer, all the bells and whistles. He doesn’t own a trailer, doesn’t hunt or fish or off road. Drives it to work every day and somehow finds a parking spot that it fits in. Why? :dunno: I guess he likes big trucks. He’s happy.
I added the 3.0 Diesel to the poll, just in case someone actually finds one.
Post by: jackelope on June 05, 2018, 08:59:37 AM
I think that any of these engines would suit my needs.
A guy I know at work just bought a 3.5L in a Lariat with the tow package, little knob to help backup your trailer, all the bells and whistles. He doesn’t own a trailer, doesn’t hunt or fish or off road. Drives it to work every day and somehow finds a parking spot that it fits in. Why? :dunno: I guess he likes big trucks. He’s happy.
I added the 3.0 Diesel to the poll, just in case someone actually finds one.
Probably because all of that stuff was on the truck sitting on the lot. Pretty standard stuff on a Lariat.
(edited to clarify that stuff is not standard equipment, but that's how dealers order those trucks a lot of the time)
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 05, 2018, 09:01:42 AM
I think that any of these engines would suit my needs.
A guy I know at work just bought a 3.5L in a Lariat with the tow package, little knob to help backup your trailer, all the bells and whistles. He doesn’t own a trailer, doesn’t hunt or fish or off road. Drives it to work every day and somehow finds a parking spot that it fits in. Why? :dunno: I guess he likes big trucks. He’s happy.
I added the 3.0 Diesel to the poll, just in case someone actually finds one.
Probably because all of that stuff was on the truck sitting on the lot. Pretty standard stuff on a Lariat.
When I was selling Fords, I can't remember a 4x4 F150 that we didn't order with a tow package.
Post by: jackelope on June 05, 2018, 09:09:08 AM
I think that any of these engines would suit my needs.
A guy I know at work just bought a 3.5L in a Lariat with the tow package, little knob to help backup your trailer, all the bells and whistles. He doesn’t own a trailer, doesn’t hunt or fish or off road. Drives it to work every day and somehow finds a parking spot that it fits in. Why? :dunno: I guess he likes big trucks. He’s happy.
I added the 3.0 Diesel to the poll, just in case someone actually finds one.
Probably because all of that stuff was on the truck sitting on the lot. Pretty standard stuff on a Lariat.
When I was selling Fords, I can't remember a 4x4 F150 that we didn't order with a tow package.
I bet that a tow package is standard equipment on a Lariat.
Post by: bigmacc on June 05, 2018, 11:09:01 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 05, 2018, 11:13:34 AM
I'm fairly convinced that most of the guys down talking the 3.5 in this thread are only doing so because it's a V6 and it doesn't make the cool V8 noise.
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 05, 2018, 11:22:06 AM
I think that any of these engines would suit my needs.
A guy I know at work just bought a 3.5L in a Lariat with the tow package, little knob to help backup your trailer, all the bells and whistles. He doesn’t own a trailer, doesn’t hunt or fish or off road. Drives it to work every day and somehow finds a parking spot that it fits in. Why? :dunno: I guess he likes big trucks. He’s happy.
I added the 3.0 Diesel to the poll, just in case someone actually finds one.
Probably because all of that stuff was on the truck sitting on the lot. Pretty standard stuff on a Lariat.
When I was selling Fords, I can't remember a 4x4 F150 that we didn't order with a tow package.
I bet that a tow package is standard equipment on a Lariat.
I just makes good sense. Even if you don't need the tow package. The guy you sell it to in 10 years will probably want it.
Also, Ford really streamlined the ordering options a while back. When I first started (2005), you could order just about any option a la carte. Sunroof with cloth, 4x2 with offroad package, all kinds of odd configurations. Now there are only usually only 2, maybe 3 package options per trim level.
Post by: ribka on June 05, 2018, 11:31:45 AM
I would go with V 8 if towing a lot. I looked at the eco boost recently and after research decided to buy a Tundra with the tow package. Gas mileage isn't as good as eco boost but they have great record as far as dependability goes.
Post by: elkaholic123 on June 29, 2018, 12:24:12 PM
Post by: WSU on June 29, 2018, 12:32:54 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 29, 2018, 02:58:13 PM
I just had to buy a new truck because my old pickup finally crapped out. It was irritating that damn near every newer (new or used) truck had the short box. If you want the standard 6.5 foot box, which I did, it really narrows your options. It's almost like truck owners don't actually use the truck as truck.
Well....they don't.
Post by: highside74 on June 29, 2018, 05:05:46 PM
Would that 3.5 tow my 21.5 foot boat over the pass ok? I’m in the market for a truck. Just so expensive.
My old half ton Chevy with the 5.3 would tow my 21’ boat over the pass.
The 3.5 ecoboost F150, properly equipped, is rated to tow over 13k pounds.
Tow rating is generally how much weight a vehicle can carry and safely stop not actually pull. We put a goose neck flatbed on the back of my buddies 7.3 f350 and loaded it with 12x12 24ft beams. Don't remember how many but it was a lot. We were taking them from up in Ashford down to Puyallup. Pulled them just fine but had some butt puckering stopping situations coming out of the foothills. Went across the scales in Graham at a total weight of over 28k. That was to much.
Post by: quadrafire on June 29, 2018, 06:02:11 PM
I'd buy another one for sure!!!
Post by: quadrafire on June 29, 2018, 06:04:26 PM
Post by: b23 on June 29, 2018, 06:19:25 PM
I have the 2014 3.5 ecoboost recently did a 2700 mile road trip. Nudged the 17 MPG mark. A little dissapointing. But I cannot complain about the power and towing abilities. Like most that buy this rig it is a primary daily driver. And usually I'm averaging 15-16 all around.
I'd buy another one for sure!!!
I have this motor in our Explorer and it seems pretty decent, has good power, but like just about every vehicle I've ever owned, it does really good on MPG as long as you drive just barely the speed limit or under. Just broke 3000 miles with it last weekend on a road trip up to Skagit traffic was flowing pretty good so I was usually 7-10+ over the limit and the mileage was down around that same 17 MPG which probably isn't to bad considering. I think it's around 22 if I drive right at the speed limit but ugh it feels like your standing still.
Post by: dc on June 29, 2018, 07:39:16 PM
Post by: baldopepper on July 13, 2018, 06:53:23 AM
Well, some actually like the extra passanger space in the shorter beds and are smart enough to buy a small utility trailer when they have to haul bigger loads. Majority of the time the shorter bed suffices and allows me to seat 4-5 large adults comfortably and if I need more cargo space I simply hook onto my 5x10 utility trailer which tows very easily behind the truck. Hard to put passangers in the utility trailer and much more economical than having to take two vehicles.I just had to buy a new truck because my old pickup finally crapped out. It was irritating that damn near every newer (new or used) truck had the short box. If you want the standard 6.5 foot box, which I did, it really narrows your options. It's almost like truck owners don't actually use the truck as truck.
Well....they don't.
Post by: WSU on July 13, 2018, 08:23:35 AM
Post by: CP on July 13, 2018, 08:46:24 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 13, 2018, 09:02:31 AM
What happened to the 8' standard bed?
They're out there, just not "standard" anymore :chuckle:
Post by: thinkingman on July 13, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
What happened to the 8' standard bed?
They're out there, just not "standard" anymore :chuckle:
Ford does not build a SuperCrew with an 8'.
My 'Crew with a 6.5 is just about unmanageable as it is.
I swear the SuperDuty trucks turn better.