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Title: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Whitenuckles on May 09, 2018, 01:24:27 PM
 What's y'alls thoughts?
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: vandeman17 on May 09, 2018, 01:38:14 PM
what's the question?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Whitenuckles on May 09, 2018, 01:45:53 PM
I figured everyone got the survey. They want to know if and how we want to change the points system in the state. At least that's what I got from it....
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Jpmiller on May 09, 2018, 02:21:57 PM
I didn't get a survey? Was it mailed or emailed?
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Post by: vandeman17 on May 09, 2018, 02:22:39 PM
I didn't get a survey? Was it mailed or emailed?

Me either, at least not yet
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Post by: 92xj on May 09, 2018, 02:23:19 PM
Emailed
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: trophyhunt on May 09, 2018, 02:29:27 PM
Never recieved anything??  But since I drew this year, I think they should do away with points!!     :chuckle:       But seriously, that’s what I think.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 09, 2018, 02:34:49 PM
They should leave Wyoming as is, its one of the best states  out there. 
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 09, 2018, 02:53:04 PM
 
They should leave Wyoming as is, its one of the best states  out there.
:yeah:
I’m not a fan of points systems but Wyoming’s seems to work fairly well in my experience
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: archery288 on May 09, 2018, 03:00:27 PM
Weird, I never got the survey either.   :dunno:  I like the way their point structure is currently.  I think they are nervous because of their price increase this year on tags and everyone cashed in on points, they feel like people will get out of the game a bit. 
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: trophyhunt on May 09, 2018, 03:19:45 PM
Weird, I never got the survey either.   :dunno:  I like the way their point structure is currently.  I think they are nervous because of their price increase this year on tags and everyone cashed in on points, they feel like people will get out of the game a bit.
Thats exactly what I’m doing.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 09, 2018, 03:36:16 PM
I didn't get a survey but there is one change that would benefit NR hunters, WGFD and not affect residents noticeably.  Currently full price nonresident elk licenses are capped at 7,250 by statute.  Once NR limited quota licenses are drawn, that total is subtracted from 7,250 and the remainder then allocated to NR general licenses, usually around 5000 give or take 1000.  WGFD should ideally be able to set the number of NR general elk licenses based on herd counts and management objectives, as is done with all other big game species.  Failing that, separating the issuance of limited quota elk licenses from the 7,250 would allow more NR elk hunters in general areas where herds are over objectives, another tool in the toolbox.  Wyoming has by far the highest success rates for general license hunters of any western state, there is no good reason to remove the number of full price elk licenses sold in limited entry areas from the general license quota for nonresidents.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: jjhunter on May 09, 2018, 04:14:57 PM
There are some folks complaining about the points sharing system in Wyoming.   They don't like the guys trading info for points and getting to hunt G/H every year and shooting big deer.

I would venture to guess that is the major driver behind the survey...
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Whitenuckles on May 09, 2018, 05:52:54 PM
They should leave Wyoming as is, its one of the best states  out there.

I agree!
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: grundy53 on May 09, 2018, 06:10:29 PM
I didn't get the survey but think they should leave well enough alone. Unless they get rid of it completely.

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Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: meatwhack on May 09, 2018, 07:10:19 PM
The survey I got was only concerned about funding the system and refunds and how to handle it.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Antlershed on May 09, 2018, 07:10:38 PM
I got the survey because I have purchased points the past few years. I answered “No” to the question about if I have ever applied for a tag before, and it ended the survey for me so I’m not sure what the rest of the questions were, or the intent behind the survey.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: High Climber on May 09, 2018, 07:35:53 PM
There are some folks complaining about the points sharing system in Wyoming.   They don't like the guys trading info for points and getting to hunt G/H every year and shooting big deer.

I would venture to guess that is the major driver behind the survey...

Wow I didn’t realize that was a thing
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: jjhunter on May 09, 2018, 07:41:24 PM
I got the survey because I have purchased points the past few years. I answered “No” to the question about if I have ever applied for a tag before, and it ended the survey for me so I’m not sure what the rest of the questions were, or the intent behind the survey.

Sounds like my conspiracy theory was way off.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Bwana Bob on May 10, 2018, 07:46:25 AM
Love the WY point system. I know I'll be able to draw a limited entry deer tag for this year with the preference point system they have, not so in WA. I hope they never change it or god forbid, make it like our GREAT DRAW SYSTEM :bdid:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: meatwhack on May 10, 2018, 08:41:26 AM
Wyoming isn’t nearly as many years into their point system as a lot of other states.  Point creep will continue to build as more years pass. I personally think Idaho and New Mexico have the best systems.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Antlershed on May 10, 2018, 09:29:00 AM
I got the survey because I have purchased points the past few years. I answered “No” to the question about if I have ever applied for a tag before, and it ended the survey for me so I’m not sure what the rest of the questions were, or the intent behind the survey.

Sounds like my conspiracy theory was way off.   :chuckle:
:chuckle:

Here’s the email I got. The part cut off at the bottom is once you answer the resident question within the email it launches the survey in survey monkey.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Antlershed on May 10, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
Just read it’s about Wyoming considering not making people front the tag fee when they apply. It seems like an odd change when people can already wait and buy a point from July-October.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Mr Mykiss on May 10, 2018, 06:17:08 PM
I voted to basically leave well enough alone. It looked like they didn’t want to pay one point something million to refund everyone their fronted fees.
I believe it is a great state as far as the hunting.
HOWEVER, very young into the points (13 max) I think. Point creep will start hitting hard here in 5 or so years :/
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: meatwhack on May 10, 2018, 06:23:54 PM
The option for leaving it was to have everyone pay more to offset the 1.5 million in fees for the refund. I voted for the $15 application and charge if drawn. I don’t feel it really effects the odds since you can just buy points anyways over such a broad time period.
Title: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: bobcat on May 10, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
I got the survey today. I voted to leave it as is. Which would mean a 2.5% increase in the cost to apply. But I'd rather pay that and have better odds of drawing.

This was the last question on my survey:

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Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Antlershed on May 11, 2018, 06:17:19 AM
The option for leaving it was to have everyone pay more to offset the 1.5 million in fees for the refund. I voted for the $15 application and charge if drawn. I don’t feel it really effects the odds since you can just buy points anyways over such a broad time period.
I’m with you, in that I don’t see this changing the draw odds much if it goes through. People (myself included) have already been building points without having to front the cost of the tag.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Jpmiller on May 11, 2018, 02:31:21 PM
I voted to keep it as is with a 2.5% increase.

I also failed the comprehension portion of the preference point system so that made me feel so little inadequate.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: longrange7mm on May 12, 2018, 07:26:56 AM
They keep trying to push the points on us residence every year for deer elk and antelope. There is a big coalition of guys that continue to thankfully get it shut down at the commissioners meetings. My take on the survey was to see what the public's understanding of how the points system worked as well as get a fill for how we would like to see a change to the way refunds are made. Currently as a resident if I apply for moose and sheep I'm awarded a point at no addition cost they want us to A. pay the credit card fee to refund my money or B. offset that cost by charging me for the point. Im certain they have already decided to make a change but they are just trying to figure out the way we would like to see that change happen  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Curly on May 12, 2018, 08:34:39 AM
I voted for the 2.5% increase.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2018, 08:55:38 AM
I still haven't received the email for the survey.  It's kind of pissing me off.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: vandeman17 on May 14, 2018, 08:59:49 AM
I never got one either.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: 92xj on May 14, 2018, 09:06:14 AM
They didn't send them out to fake hunters
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2018, 09:13:16 AM
They didn't send them out to fake hunters
   :dunno:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: vandeman17 on May 14, 2018, 09:14:39 AM
They didn't send them out to fake hunters

That is a good point. Shoot
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: 92xj on May 14, 2018, 09:16:28 AM
They didn't send them out to fake hunters
   :dunno:

It's just a lovely Monday morning to get you and vande a little fired up and pot stirring.

I really have no idea why some got it and others didn't.
Mine came in last week sometime and sadly I have only put in for points, which was the first question. If you answered you've only bought points the survey ends with that one question and you don't get to get into giving more opinions.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: grundy53 on May 14, 2018, 09:23:29 AM
I got mine Saturday. But I only put in for points so it was real short. Lol

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Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2018, 09:36:32 AM
Well crap.  I apply and hunt and have input to give :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 14, 2018, 09:41:18 AM
They didn't send them out to fake hunters
   :dunno:
Wanna be!  :sry:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: 92xj on May 14, 2018, 09:52:47 AM
Exactly!
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2018, 09:55:14 AM
They didn't send them out to fake hunters
   :dunno:
Wanna be!  :sry:
that's fake news!!!!!   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 14, 2018, 11:38:58 AM
I still haven't received the email for the survey.  It's kind of pissing me off.
Better pissed off than on
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2018, 12:01:39 PM
I still haven't received the email for the survey.  It's kind of pissing me off.
Better pissed off than on
  🤣  valid point
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: vandeman17 on May 14, 2018, 12:12:39 PM
I still haven't received the email for the survey.  It's kind of pissing me off.
Better pissed off than on

Unless you are into that kind of thing
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Duckhunter14 on May 14, 2018, 12:15:47 PM
Didn't get mine until today. There is still hope....
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: vandeman17 on May 14, 2018, 12:57:02 PM
Didn't get mine until today. There is still hope....

Just got mine too
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: trophyhunt on May 14, 2018, 01:17:28 PM
Just filled mine out.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2018, 01:41:44 PM
I hate all of you :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 14, 2018, 02:04:29 PM
I got mine last Saturday, not sure why they are going out staggered but they are.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2018, 03:27:49 PM
Mine finally showed up. Their ears must have been burning
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 14, 2018, 04:53:45 PM
Still none for me
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 14, 2018, 05:36:36 PM
Still none for me
it's ok chris.  If it's like mine the link won't work so you can't actually take the survey
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: 87Ford on May 14, 2018, 06:15:10 PM
Got mine this afternoon
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: trophyhunt on May 14, 2018, 08:33:36 PM
I think the most important change they are asking about is weather or not to change the amount you pay at the time you apply.  I asked it to stay the same, pay up front!  If it is cheap like Utah, your odds will go down the drain, and I have no dog in this race, I'm done with applying for Wyoming.  But I have a feeling they will change it, it cost them money to keep it the way it is currently.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: sjhgraysage on May 16, 2018, 10:14:11 AM
Just filled mine out this morning and the email arrived a day or so ago in my spam folder.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 16, 2018, 10:34:33 AM
Look what happened in Colorado this year on oil apps numbers since they changed from few fronting.  Apps are up 300-500% over last year! I know it’ll be different in wyo because you can just buy a point later on but still. I’d guess you will see lots more apps regardless because there’s always a slim chance in random draw.
Having to front the fees makes most normal people choose what to apply for.  :twocents:

Still waiting on my email for the survey.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: meatwhack on May 16, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
I really don’t see it effecting odds much either way. A lot of guys buy points until they have what they think it’ll take to draw a tag then they actually put in for a hunt.
Title: Re: Wyoming points survey...
Post by: Bwana Bob on May 22, 2018, 11:24:23 AM
Look what happened in Colorado this year on oil apps numbers since they changed from few fronting.  Apps are up 300-500% over last year! I know it’ll be different in wyo because you can just buy a point later on but still. I’d guess you will see lots more apps regardless because there’s always a slim chance in random draw.
Having to front the fees makes most normal people choose what to apply for.  :twocents:

Right on Bullblaster. More people will apply in the no points random category if they don't have to pay up-front for the tag and lessen ever ones odds. I got real lucky and drew a few tags that way but I had to front the Money for the tag. Same thing happened here in the oils draws and looked what happened to those draw odds. And CO just screwed me with their change in not fronting the tag fee. At 67 yrs old I'm getting out of the points game soon but I feel for the rest of you younger guys.
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