Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Out Of State Hunting => Topic started by: Whitenuckles on May 09, 2018, 01:24:27 PM
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What's y'alls thoughts?
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what's the question? :dunno:
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I figured everyone got the survey. They want to know if and how we want to change the points system in the state. At least that's what I got from it....
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I didn't get a survey? Was it mailed or emailed?
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I didn't get a survey? Was it mailed or emailed?
Me either, at least not yet
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Emailed
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Never recieved anything?? But since I drew this year, I think they should do away with points!! :chuckle: But seriously, that’s what I think.
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They should leave Wyoming as is, its one of the best states out there.
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They should leave Wyoming as is, its one of the best states out there.
:yeah:
I’m not a fan of points systems but Wyoming’s seems to work fairly well in my experience
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Weird, I never got the survey either. :dunno: I like the way their point structure is currently. I think they are nervous because of their price increase this year on tags and everyone cashed in on points, they feel like people will get out of the game a bit.
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Weird, I never got the survey either. :dunno: I like the way their point structure is currently. I think they are nervous because of their price increase this year on tags and everyone cashed in on points, they feel like people will get out of the game a bit.
Thats exactly what I’m doing.
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I didn't get a survey but there is one change that would benefit NR hunters, WGFD and not affect residents noticeably. Currently full price nonresident elk licenses are capped at 7,250 by statute. Once NR limited quota licenses are drawn, that total is subtracted from 7,250 and the remainder then allocated to NR general licenses, usually around 5000 give or take 1000. WGFD should ideally be able to set the number of NR general elk licenses based on herd counts and management objectives, as is done with all other big game species. Failing that, separating the issuance of limited quota elk licenses from the 7,250 would allow more NR elk hunters in general areas where herds are over objectives, another tool in the toolbox. Wyoming has by far the highest success rates for general license hunters of any western state, there is no good reason to remove the number of full price elk licenses sold in limited entry areas from the general license quota for nonresidents.
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There are some folks complaining about the points sharing system in Wyoming. They don't like the guys trading info for points and getting to hunt G/H every year and shooting big deer.
I would venture to guess that is the major driver behind the survey...
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They should leave Wyoming as is, its one of the best states out there.
I agree!
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I didn't get the survey but think they should leave well enough alone. Unless they get rid of it completely.
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The survey I got was only concerned about funding the system and refunds and how to handle it.
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I got the survey because I have purchased points the past few years. I answered “No” to the question about if I have ever applied for a tag before, and it ended the survey for me so I’m not sure what the rest of the questions were, or the intent behind the survey.
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There are some folks complaining about the points sharing system in Wyoming. They don't like the guys trading info for points and getting to hunt G/H every year and shooting big deer.
I would venture to guess that is the major driver behind the survey...
Wow I didn’t realize that was a thing
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I got the survey because I have purchased points the past few years. I answered “No” to the question about if I have ever applied for a tag before, and it ended the survey for me so I’m not sure what the rest of the questions were, or the intent behind the survey.
Sounds like my conspiracy theory was way off. :chuckle:
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Love the WY point system. I know I'll be able to draw a limited entry deer tag for this year with the preference point system they have, not so in WA. I hope they never change it or god forbid, make it like our GREAT DRAW SYSTEM :bdid:
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Wyoming isn’t nearly as many years into their point system as a lot of other states. Point creep will continue to build as more years pass. I personally think Idaho and New Mexico have the best systems.
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I got the survey because I have purchased points the past few years. I answered “No” to the question about if I have ever applied for a tag before, and it ended the survey for me so I’m not sure what the rest of the questions were, or the intent behind the survey.
Sounds like my conspiracy theory was way off. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Here’s the email I got. The part cut off at the bottom is once you answer the resident question within the email it launches the survey in survey monkey.
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Just read it’s about Wyoming considering not making people front the tag fee when they apply. It seems like an odd change when people can already wait and buy a point from July-October.
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I voted to basically leave well enough alone. It looked like they didn’t want to pay one point something million to refund everyone their fronted fees.
I believe it is a great state as far as the hunting.
HOWEVER, very young into the points (13 max) I think. Point creep will start hitting hard here in 5 or so years :/
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The option for leaving it was to have everyone pay more to offset the 1.5 million in fees for the refund. I voted for the $15 application and charge if drawn. I don’t feel it really effects the odds since you can just buy points anyways over such a broad time period.
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I got the survey today. I voted to leave it as is. Which would mean a 2.5% increase in the cost to apply. But I'd rather pay that and have better odds of drawing.
This was the last question on my survey:
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The option for leaving it was to have everyone pay more to offset the 1.5 million in fees for the refund. I voted for the $15 application and charge if drawn. I don’t feel it really effects the odds since you can just buy points anyways over such a broad time period.
I’m with you, in that I don’t see this changing the draw odds much if it goes through. People (myself included) have already been building points without having to front the cost of the tag. :dunno:
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I voted to keep it as is with a 2.5% increase.
I also failed the comprehension portion of the preference point system so that made me feel so little inadequate.
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They keep trying to push the points on us residence every year for deer elk and antelope. There is a big coalition of guys that continue to thankfully get it shut down at the commissioners meetings. My take on the survey was to see what the public's understanding of how the points system worked as well as get a fill for how we would like to see a change to the way refunds are made. Currently as a resident if I apply for moose and sheep I'm awarded a point at no addition cost they want us to A. pay the credit card fee to refund my money or B. offset that cost by charging me for the point. Im certain they have already decided to make a change but they are just trying to figure out the way we would like to see that change happen :chuckle:
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I voted for the 2.5% increase.
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I still haven't received the email for the survey. It's kind of pissing me off.
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I never got one either.
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They didn't send them out to fake hunters
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They didn't send them out to fake hunters
:dunno:
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They didn't send them out to fake hunters
That is a good point. Shoot
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They didn't send them out to fake hunters
:dunno:
It's just a lovely Monday morning to get you and vande a little fired up and pot stirring.
I really have no idea why some got it and others didn't.
Mine came in last week sometime and sadly I have only put in for points, which was the first question. If you answered you've only bought points the survey ends with that one question and you don't get to get into giving more opinions.
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I got mine Saturday. But I only put in for points so it was real short. Lol
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Well crap. I apply and hunt and have input to give :chuckle:
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They didn't send them out to fake hunters
:dunno:
Wanna be! :sry:
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Exactly!
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They didn't send them out to fake hunters
:dunno:
Wanna be! :sry:
that's fake news!!!!! :chuckle:
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I still haven't received the email for the survey. It's kind of pissing me off.
Better pissed off than on
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I still haven't received the email for the survey. It's kind of pissing me off.
Better pissed off than on
🤣 valid point
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I still haven't received the email for the survey. It's kind of pissing me off.
Better pissed off than on
Unless you are into that kind of thing
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Didn't get mine until today. There is still hope....
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Didn't get mine until today. There is still hope....
Just got mine too
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Just filled mine out.
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I hate all of you :chuckle:
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I got mine last Saturday, not sure why they are going out staggered but they are.
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Mine finally showed up. Their ears must have been burning
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Still none for me
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Still none for me
it's ok chris. If it's like mine the link won't work so you can't actually take the survey
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Got mine this afternoon
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I think the most important change they are asking about is weather or not to change the amount you pay at the time you apply. I asked it to stay the same, pay up front! If it is cheap like Utah, your odds will go down the drain, and I have no dog in this race, I'm done with applying for Wyoming. But I have a feeling they will change it, it cost them money to keep it the way it is currently.
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Just filled mine out this morning and the email arrived a day or so ago in my spam folder.
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Look what happened in Colorado this year on oil apps numbers since they changed from few fronting. Apps are up 300-500% over last year! I know it’ll be different in wyo because you can just buy a point later on but still. I’d guess you will see lots more apps regardless because there’s always a slim chance in random draw.
Having to front the fees makes most normal people choose what to apply for. :twocents:
Still waiting on my email for the survey.
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I really don’t see it effecting odds much either way. A lot of guys buy points until they have what they think it’ll take to draw a tag then they actually put in for a hunt.
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Look what happened in Colorado this year on oil apps numbers since they changed from few fronting. Apps are up 300-500% over last year! I know it’ll be different in wyo because you can just buy a point later on but still. I’d guess you will see lots more apps regardless because there’s always a slim chance in random draw.
Having to front the fees makes most normal people choose what to apply for. :twocents:
Right on Bullblaster. More people will apply in the no points random category if they don't have to pay up-front for the tag and lessen ever ones odds. I got real lucky and drew a few tags that way but I had to front the Money for the tag. Same thing happened here in the oils draws and looked what happened to those draw odds. And CO just screwed me with their change in not fronting the tag fee. At 67 yrs old I'm getting out of the points game soon but I feel for the rest of you younger guys.