Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 12:02:01 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 19, 2018, 12:29:41 PM
Post by: Caseyd on May 19, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Post by: elkchaser54 on May 19, 2018, 12:42:18 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 12:46:52 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180519/6f84c0d6644378ca746fc1d38106720d.jpg)
Post by: Caseyd on May 19, 2018, 12:54:57 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 12:55:54 PM
That article says a guy in his 40's was airlifted from North Fork Rd and Lake Hancock Rd and the 2nd victim was 5 miles away....took off running into the woods and was killed.
Post by: Crunchy on May 19, 2018, 12:58:48 PM
Post by: Caseyd on May 19, 2018, 01:02:00 PM
Very sad news, but a reminder of the need for predator control. Sometimes it takes something like this to turn things around. Goes the same for bears and wolves. People will eventually wake up to the dangers of not controlling predators.
I would agree but until the general public views it for what it is, most people will just assume freak accident. Proving mismanagement and neglect on the states part is no easy task
Post by: trophyhunt on May 19, 2018, 01:03:03 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 19, 2018, 01:12:03 PM
Post by: wheels on May 19, 2018, 01:16:48 PM
Post by: Crunchy on May 19, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 19, 2018, 01:19:48 PM
As far as I'm concerned this lies squarely on the shoulders of those people in anti-hunting groups who oppose predator hunting and those people in WDFW and government who allow anti-hunting groups to control the narrative on predator hunting in WA. If you are reading this you should hand your head in shame! Sad day for two innocent people, my condolences go out to the families.
:yeah:
Post by: Cougartail on May 19, 2018, 01:27:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 01:27:18 PM
A cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
Sick or starving lion? Plenty of lion food out there...prey drive?
:dunno:
Post by: Caseyd on May 19, 2018, 01:29:34 PM
Got me thinking....lots of guys ride and their dogs run after them. Could of been the dog running that sparked intital chase
Post by: lord grizzly on May 19, 2018, 01:37:21 PM
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 01:40:34 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
I agree it's a tragedy. I also know there is a large number of cats in that area. The west side has the same unmanaged predator problems as the east side of the state does.
That specific area is a large piece of private timber company land. These guys would have had a permit to be where they were, behind the gates.
Post by: lord grizzly on May 19, 2018, 01:43:35 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
I agree it's a tragedy. I also know there is a large number of cats in that area. The west side has the same unmanaged predator problems as the east side of the state does.
That specific area is a large piece of private timber company land. These guys would have had a permit to be where they were, behind the gates.
Area open to cougar hunting?
Post by: Mfowl on May 19, 2018, 01:51:06 PM
There was a similar situation to this several years ago in California. Young cat out on its own attacked and killed a mountain biker than later the same day attacked and nearly killed another woman riding mountain bikes with friends on the same trail.
Post by: bearpaw on May 19, 2018, 01:54:32 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 01:55:34 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
I agree it's a tragedy. I also know there is a large number of cats in that area. The west side has the same unmanaged predator problems as the east side of the state does.
That specific area is a large piece of private timber company land. These guys would have had a permit to be where they were, behind the gates.
Area open to cougar hunting?
Yes. Boot hunting only obviously.
Post by: lord grizzly on May 19, 2018, 01:58:02 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
No. You blaming this attack on politics is silly. A cats a cat and any cat that n any state is fully capable of this attack. This happening on a regular basis I’ve over there since the day after the law changed? I must have missed the news story’s.
Sorry but I’m going to call bs on spin when I see it
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 02:02:48 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
No. You blaming this attack on politics is silly. A cats a cat and any cat that n any state is fully capable of this attack. This happening on a regular basis I’ve over there since the day after the law changed? I must have missed the news story’s.
Sorry but I’m going to call bs on spin when I see it
I don't know that anyone is blaming this specific attack on politics...but the complete and utter lack of any sort of significant/legitimate predator management in this state certainly isn't helping. Was the cat hungry? Too hard to find a deer or elk to kill? There's no question we have an unmanaged predator issue in this state. Maybe you're spoiled being from Idaho and you're not familiar with the issues we have here.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 19, 2018, 02:04:16 PM
A cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Post by: lord grizzly on May 19, 2018, 02:04:25 PM
If this area has a cat season sounds like every one bitching needs to strap on there boots and actually do something about how passionate they claim they feel about the issue
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 02:06:35 PM
A cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Same difference, but I'm reading they were on mountain bikes. I'm assuming on Campbell Global land.
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 02:09:09 PM
Not saying i support the management plan ( quite frankly don’t have intimint knowledge of it, but I doubt I’d be in favor of it) I’m saying politicizing some ones tragedy to support your stance is BS that’s no different than happens after a school shooting form the anti’s. And I call BS on that too.
If this area has a cat season sounds like every one bitching needs to strap on there boots and actually do something about how passionate they claim they feel about the issue
This specific area is Campbell Global land. Regulated by a limited number of $300(I think) permits required for access.
@bugs n bones
Post by: bearpaw on May 19, 2018, 02:19:14 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
No. You blaming this attack on politics is silly. A cats a cat and any cat that n any state is fully capable of this attack. This happening on a regular basis I’ve over there since the day after the law changed? I must have missed the news story’s.
Sorry but I’m going to call bs on spin when I see it
That would be sweet if you even had a slight clue what you were talking about!
My friends, my son, and I have responded to dozens, not just a couple handfuls of incidents, but literally dozens of predations by mostly cougar in NE WA for WDFW, most of these incidents occurred after hound hunting was banned. Three attacks by cougar were on children here in NE WA, one at Barstow, one at Deep Lake, one at Sullivan Lake, two of the cats that attacked the kids were caught, one was not. When hound hunting of cougar was allowed the cougar had more fear of humans and stayed farther back in the mountains! There is a direct correlation! Next time you might want to know what you are talking about before you call someone silly! Just sayin! :twocents:
Post by: Timberstalker on May 19, 2018, 02:20:43 PM
A cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...I was thinking the exact same thing.
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 02:24:51 PM
A cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...I was thinking the exact same thing.
Post by: bearpaw on May 19, 2018, 02:25:11 PM
Post by: zwickeyman on May 19, 2018, 02:25:30 PM
Every one on hear knows we need more predator management, every one. Just some wont admit it
Post by: Cougartail on May 19, 2018, 02:26:27 PM
Go to a national park and see the difference in behavior of predators in the park as opposed to outside the park. Absolutely correct assessment.You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
No. You blaming this attack on politics is silly. A cats a cat and any cat that n any state is fully capable of this attack. This happening on a regular basis I’ve over there since the day after the law changed? I must have missed the news story’s.
Sorry but I’m going to call bs on spin when I see it
That would be sweet if you even had a slight clue what you were talking about!
My friends, my son, and I have responded to dozens, not just a couple handfuls of incidents, but literally dozens of predations by mostly cougar in NE WA for WDFW, most of these incidents occurred after hound hunting was banned. Three attacks by cougar were on children here in NE WA, one at Barstow, one at Deep Lake, one at Sullivan Lake, two of the cats that attacked the kids were caught, one was not. When hound hunting of cougar was allowed the cougar had more fear of humans and stayed farther back in the mountains! There is a direct correlation! Next time you might want to know what you are talking about before you call someone silly! Just sayin! :twocents:
Post by: James on May 19, 2018, 02:35:31 PM
1) This is a statistics problem, while predator attacks are rare, but the higher the predator numbers the higher the occurrence rate of attacks, that’s just math.
2) Desperate animals are more likely to make risky choices. This goes from the simplest arthropods to even us “advanced” humans. Higher predator numbers combined with lower prey number (see predator prey population models), habitat encroachment, etc. leads to a higher occurrence rate of desperate animals.
3) In my mind this biggest issue is fear/human acclimation. Want to know why even though we are one of the most helpless animals on this planet (without our tools) yet most animals fear us? We used to hunt anything that caused us trouble. Just venture from a wilderness area (anywhere you can hunt really) where most bears bolt at the sight of a human then go to a national park where they are likely to come up looking for a snack. Hunting IS important even if we only harvest the surplus, they are not stupid and learn quickly. Go up to Canada where the first nations harvest seals, they don’t follow fishing boats like sea lions in the Columbia.
Post by: LongBomb on May 19, 2018, 02:38:48 PM
Not saying i support the management plan ( quite frankly don’t have intimint knowledge of it, but I doubt I’d be in favor of it) I’m saying politicizing some ones tragedy to support your stance is BS that’s no different than happens after a school shooting form the anti’s. And I call BS on that too.
If this area has a cat season sounds like every one bitching needs to strap on there boots and actually do something about how passionate they claim they feel about the issue
This specific area is Campbell Global land. Regulated by a limited number of $300(I think) permits required for access.
@bugs n bones
There are a lot of cougars up there! You can buy a vehicle access pass and drive in behind the gates. My company is just finishing a project up there that started in 2016 and between all our guys there was multiple cougar sightings as they drove from one work site to the next, during the day. I never got the chance to see one my self but seen plenty of tracks once the snow came. I ran into a bio that said they had a bunch of cougars collared up in that neck of the woods. I forget the exact number now but he said they were monitoring how much they go down into the urban areas.
Post by: bearpaw on May 19, 2018, 02:41:31 PM
Washington could easily condition cougar to be afraid of humans by allowing "Pursuit Only Hound Hunting". Conditioning could happen without killing any cougar.
I'm sorry for the thread jack and certainly meant no disrespect to the victims or their families, again my sincere condolences. :sry:
Post by: cem3434 on May 19, 2018, 03:07:59 PM
Just announced they both died.
Where did you see or hear this? I just read in the Olympian that the hospital tweeted out the 2nd victim was alert and talking as of 2:26 pm. :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 03:12:43 PM
Just announced they both died.
Where did you see or hear this? I just read in the Olympian that the hospital tweeted out the 2nd victim was alert and talking as of 2:26 pm. :dunno:
Pretty sure that was a mistake. There's nobody reporting 2 dead that I can find.
Post by: KFhunter on May 19, 2018, 03:16:56 PM
"won't happen to me"
"cat must have been sick or injured"
"they should have had bear spray"
and 100's of other apologist remarks like that and this'll fade in people's minds. A flock of sheep doesn't really care if a few get culled, they panic for a few minutes then start grazing again.
Post by: bigtex on May 19, 2018, 03:27:40 PM
Lots of yuppies recreate in the Snoqualmie/North Bend areaA cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: Pegasus on May 19, 2018, 03:33:56 PM
Post by: Pegasus on May 19, 2018, 03:37:02 PM
Post by: bigtex on May 19, 2018, 03:54:54 PM
"The Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife is handling the investigation. The sheriff's office spokesperson said the fate of the cougar is UNCLEAR should they find it." Let's not upset the liberals....It'll be killed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: Bob33 on May 19, 2018, 03:56:20 PM
If you are unarmed that makes you a yuppie?Lots of yuppies recreate in the Snoqualmie/North Bend areaA cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: bigtex on May 19, 2018, 04:09:31 PM
Did I say that?If you are unarmed that makes you a yuppie?Lots of yuppies recreate in the Snoqualmie/North Bend areaA cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
I'm just saying lots of people recreate in the North Bend area. It's not just the North Bend locals. PMan made it sound like he thinks most in the N Bend area would be armed, I'd actually say it's the opposite these days.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: Timberstalker on May 19, 2018, 04:10:30 PM
If you are unarmed that makes you a yuppie?Lots of yuppies recreate in the Snoqualmie/North Bend areaA cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Yes, yes it does.
Post by: bigtex on May 19, 2018, 04:14:09 PM
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 04:14:56 PM
A cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
HUH???
That's hard for you to believe?
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 04:15:47 PM
The cougar is dead.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
A good houndsman got him??
Post by: lewy on May 19, 2018, 04:16:03 PM
The cougar is dead.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
How big?
Post by: bearpaw on May 19, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
The cougar is dead.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
A good houndsman got him??
That is specifically what this state needs to remember, it needs experienced hounds and experienced hound hunters to deal with problem animals. :twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on May 19, 2018, 04:32:18 PM
Like they say, you learn something new everyday. I'll make sure my unarmed friends know they're Yuppies :tup:.If you are unarmed that makes you a yuppie?Lots of yuppies recreate in the Snoqualmie/North Bend areaA cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Yes, yes it does.
Post by: KFhunter on May 19, 2018, 04:36:07 PM
The cougar is dead.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
A good houndsman got him??
That is specifically what this state needs to remember, it needs experienced hounds and experienced hound hunters to deal with problem animals. :twocents:
Something like this they could have used a police helicopter with flir, that's how they got some cats in California that attacked people. But in California it's a lot more open scrub and less tree canopy so maybe dogs :dunno:
Post by: Windwalker on May 19, 2018, 04:44:43 PM
The cougar is dead.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
A good houndsman got him??
That is specifically what this state needs to remember, it needs experienced hounds and experienced hound hunters to deal with problem animals. :twocents:
:yeah: :tup:
Post by: lamrith on May 19, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
A cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...Prey instinct, same reason you never run from an aggressive dog, instinct takes over and you become prey. Coupled with predators that no longer have a reason to fear humans..
Release the hounds, hunt them hard, not only will it reduce overall numbers, but the species will begin to fear man again and not be as likely to even approach people at all, let alone attack.
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2018, 05:02:48 PM
The cougar is dead.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
A good houndsman got him??
That is specifically what this state needs to remember, it needs experienced hounds and experienced hound hunters to deal with problem animals. :twocents:
Something like this they could have used a police helicopter with flir, that's how they got some cats in California that attacked people. But in California it's a lot more open scrub and less tree canopy so maybe dogs :dunno:
I heard there were multiple helicopters flying. Not sure if that was specifically to find the guy or both.
Post by: rsrubalcaba on May 19, 2018, 05:07:25 PM
Post by: KFhunter on May 19, 2018, 05:09:36 PM
Damn...Can't believe people go into the woods unarmed.
I learned my lesson, I was stalked by a cougar for 3/4 mile or more with nothing more than a big stick.
Post by: fish vacuum on May 19, 2018, 05:11:33 PM
Post by: lamrith on May 19, 2018, 05:16:39 PM
Post by: KFhunter on May 19, 2018, 05:20:21 PM
the sad part is I am seeing on FB groups and elsewhere were people are bummed the cougar was hunted down and killed.
Like I said, the sheep don't mind if some of the flock get culled out once in a while, they go on grazing like nothing happened.
Post by: Windwalker on May 19, 2018, 05:46:26 PM
bearpaw - chime in.
Ahh- never mind- that game cam video was from 3 weeks ago - same area. No telling if its the same cat.
They were riding road bikes (on trails?) down a gravel road - saw it was following. They did what is expected at first, swung the bikes at it and chased it off initially. When they were catching their breath wondering what just happened - it came back. Grabbed the one guy by the head, then his friend took off. Cat chased and caught the second guy & drug him off the road...
First guy (whose head was in the cats jaws) took off and called 911. Dam lucky...incredibly lucky. What a catastrophe.
http://komonews.com/news/local/crews-respond-to-mountain-lion-attack-near-north-bend
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/1-dead-1-injured-in-cougar-attack-near-north-bend/281-555709031
Post by: Widgeondeke on May 19, 2018, 05:55:57 PM
The fact that people are sad the cat was killed... :yike:
Post by: James on May 19, 2018, 05:56:35 PM
-Yes, cougars sometimes follow you for long distances, but generally they are ambush predators.
-These guys were mountain biking, while I am pretty sure none of us actually know how they were initially attacked, there is a very good chance that drawing a gun while going down a trail at a fast pace riding a bike is unlikely to have been a reasonable countermeasure if they even saw it before they were hit.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 19, 2018, 06:05:44 PM
You guys in Washington need to start pushing for more predator management...
Alway pack a gun
Post by: Bob33 on May 19, 2018, 06:35:30 PM
Seattle Times staff reporter
One man was killed and another taken to Harborview Medical Center after they were attacked by a cougar while riding bicycles around 11 a.m. Saturday in the woods in the Snoqualmie-North Bend area, said the King County Sheriff’s Office.
Using a hound-dog tracker, agents for the state’s Fish & Wildlife Police shot and killed the cougar a little before 3 p.m., said Capt. Alan Myers, with the agency.
This was just the second fatal cougar attack in the state in the last 100 years, according to the Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife (WDFW). Fifteen others, before Saturday, were nonfatal.
The injured man, 31, called for help on his cellphone, said Sgt. Ryan Abbott of the Sheriff’s Office. He was initially listed in serious condition at Harborview, but by late afternoon was upgraded to satisfactory.
Abbott said the attack took place near North Fork Road Southeast and Lake Hancock Road, a Snoqualmie address.
The hours after the attack dragged on as responders waited for word that wildlife agents had killed the cougar, and they could go and retrieve the dead man’s body.
“We have a manual, and we go step by step, said Rich Beausoleil, the state’s bear and cougar specialist.
“When we do catch an animal, we need to know we caught the right animal,” he said.
That includes collecting DNA from the killed cougar and making sure it matches DNA from the victims.
Finally, nearly five hours after the attack, the hounds found the cougar.
When he first heard about the cougar attack, said Beausoleil, “My grief is with the victim.”
He said that “it’s hard to say” what the public’s reaction will be to the incident. “It’s such a personal thing. Some people will recognize the rarity of it.”
In the 94 years since the last fatal mauling, the state has recorded 18 incidents it classifies as cougar attacks, with 40 percent considered serious, such as requiring stitches.
Most take place in summer and fall, when people are alone in the woods while walking, jogging or biking, and have a surprise encounter, according to the agency.
Cougars, also known as mountain lions and pumas, are a protected species, said Beausoleil. Each year, the state allows 250 cougars to be hunted and killed in 50 designated zones.
There are 2,100 cougars labeled as “independent” in this state, meaning they’re kittens dependent on their mothers.
That population has been stable for the 15 years he’s been with the agency, said Beausoleil.
He said that cougars are territorial, and so limit their own population growth to about two cougars per 100 square kilometers, or 39 square miles. That would have four cougars in land about the size of Seattle.
Emotions can run high after a report such as today’s.
“Hopefully, nobody will break the law,” said Beausoleil.
Cougar attacks are so rare that in all of North Amererica in the last 100 years, roughly 25 fatalities and 95 nonfatal attacks have been reported, according to WDFW. More have been reported in the Western United States and Canada over the past 20 years than in the previous 80 years.
The agency says a high percentage of cougars attacking domestic animals or people are 1- to 2-year-old cougars that have become independent of their mothers.
It adds, “When these young animals, particularly males, leave home to search for territory of their own, and encounter territory already occupied by an older male cougar, the older one will drive off the younger one, killing it if it resists. Some young cougars are driven across miles of countryside in search of an unoccupied territory.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/eastside/1-dead-1-injured-in-cougar-attack-on-eastside/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/eastside/1-dead-1-injured-in-cougar-attack-on-eastside/)
Post by: Katmai Guy on May 19, 2018, 06:56:11 PM
To the people that think that a hand gun would have saved these guys:
-Yes, cougars sometimes follow you for long distances, but generally they are ambush predators.
-These guys were mountain biking, while I am pretty sure none of us actually know how they were initially attacked, there is a very good chance that drawing a gun while going down a trail at a fast pace riding a bike is unlikely to have been a reasonable countermeasure if they even saw it before they were hit.
They were not mt bike riding, the bike they put in the back of the LEO truck was a road bike, road tires, 10 speed style. According to Windwalker they saw it following, A handgun would definitely helped them in this situation.
Post by: Windwalker on May 19, 2018, 07:26:11 PM
Looks like a dink - 100lbs? Mmm don't think so. Could be the angle of the photo but looks like an easy pack out.
Post by: KFhunter on May 19, 2018, 07:44:03 PM
To the people that think that a hand gun would have saved these guys:
-Yes, cougars sometimes follow you for long distances, but generally they are ambush predators.
-These guys were mountain biking, while I am pretty sure none of us actually know how they were initially attacked, there is a very good chance that drawing a gun while going down a trail at a fast pace riding a bike is unlikely to have been a reasonable countermeasure if they even saw it before they were hit.
A proficient user of a handgun would have done a lot better than these two victims, did you read the story? They had a standoff with the cat using the bikes as a shield, what a great time to shoot it.
Post by: PA BEN on May 19, 2018, 07:52:46 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedyThis is a good liberal thing to say.
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Post by: KFhunter on May 19, 2018, 07:53:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vEW5WDk.jpg)
Looks like a dink - 100lbs? Mmm don't think so. Could be the angle of the photo but looks like an easy pack out.
Doesn't look like a big cat, almost juvenile. Prey testing the bicyclers, and then went on with it.
Post by: Timberstalker on May 19, 2018, 08:05:01 PM
Post by: Mudman on May 19, 2018, 08:09:51 PM
Post by: PastorJoel on May 19, 2018, 08:17:40 PM
Post by: Special T on May 19, 2018, 08:22:44 PM
All over the state cats have become more numerous and visible. This points to the fact that 1 there are more cats & 2 the cats are less afraid of human interaction. Both of these are are a result of the regulations adopted. Now is the time yonpush back while yheniron is hot!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: Special T on May 19, 2018, 08:26:49 PM
In this day and age.... yesIf you are unarmed that makes you a yuppie?Lots of yuppies recreate in the Snoqualmie/North Bend areaA cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: Special T on May 19, 2018, 08:29:01 PM
I was as well while stalking a wounded elk that some one else shot. Only a fool travels in healed. 2cDamn...Can't believe people go into the woods unarmed.
I learned my lesson, I was stalked by a cougar for 3/4 mile or more with nothing more than a big stick.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: KFhunter on May 19, 2018, 08:30:13 PM
Only 18 non-fatal cougar attacks in the last 100 years? I would have thought that the number would be higher. Especially since I knew a kid when I was a kid that was attacked by a cougar. He had some nice scars on his head.
I know of three myself just off the top of my head
two near fatalities, kids grabbed by the skull and drug a ways:
abercrombie mountain
barstow store area
deadman creek (little girl hit it with a shovel, WDFW later killed it)
Post by: PastorJoel on May 19, 2018, 08:33:42 PM
Only 18 non-fatal cougar attacks in the last 100 years? I would have thought that the number would be higher. Especially since I knew a kid when I was a kid that was attacked by a cougar. He had some nice scars on his head.
I know of three myself just off the top of my head
two near fatalities, kids grabbed by the skull and drug a ways:
abercrombie mountain
barstow store area
deadman creek (little girl hit it with a shovel, WDFW later killed it)
Sounds to me like that article had some bad info.
Post by: KFhunter on May 19, 2018, 08:37:35 PM
http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/Attacks_and_Other_Incidents--Compilation_in_Chronological_Order_being_updated.doc
It's a word.docx
Post by: lamrith on May 19, 2018, 09:17:04 PM
It looked like a Cyclocross bike. Road bike frame yes, but bigger tires, Cantilever brakes. Designed to riding on roads like that, but lighter weight than a mtn bike and different rider position. And yes a pistol most surely would have saved a life.To the people that think that a hand gun would have saved these guys:
-Yes, cougars sometimes follow you for long distances, but generally they are ambush predators.
-These guys were mountain biking, while I am pretty sure none of us actually know how they were initially attacked, there is a very good chance that drawing a gun while going down a trail at a fast pace riding a bike is unlikely to have been a reasonable countermeasure if they even saw it before they were hit.
They were not mt bike riding, the bike they put in the back of the LEO truck was a road bike, road tires, 10 speed style. According to Windwalker they saw it following, A handgun would definitely helped them in this situation.
Post by: Westside88 on May 19, 2018, 09:18:37 PM
Post by: pashok23 on May 19, 2018, 09:44:43 PM
:yeah:To the people that think that a hand gun would have saved these guys:
-Yes, cougars sometimes follow you for long distances, but generally they are ambush predators.
-These guys were mountain biking, while I am pretty sure none of us actually know how they were initially attacked, there is a very good chance that drawing a gun while going down a trail at a fast pace riding a bike is unlikely to have been a reasonable countermeasure if they even saw it before they were hit.
A proficient user of a handgun would have done a lot better than these two victims, did you read the story? They had a standoff with the cat using the bikes as a shield, what a great time to shoot it.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 19, 2018, 10:00:10 PM
Post by: lord grizzly on May 19, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
No. You blaming this attack on politics is silly. A cats a cat and any cat that n any state is fully capable of this attack. This happening on a regular basis I’ve over there since the day after the law changed? I must have missed the news story’s.
Sorry but I’m going to call bs on spin when I see it
That would be sweet if you even had a slight clue what you were talking about!
My friends, my son, and I have responded to dozens, not just a couple handfuls of incidents, but literally dozens of predations by mostly cougar in NE WA for WDFW, most of these incidents occurred after hound hunting was banned. Three attacks by cougar were on children here in NE WA, one at Barstow, one at Deep Lake, one at Sullivan Lake, two of the cats that attacked the kids were caught, one was not. When hound hunting of cougar was allowed the cougar had more fear of humans and stayed farther back in the mountains! There is a direct correlation! Next time you might want to know what you are talking about before you call someone silly! Just sayin! :twocents:
https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/mountain-lion-found-pocatello-tranquilized-and-relocated
Whatever you say dude. Few places have more hound hunters then eastern Idaho. Your just spin doctoring
Post by: MADMAX on May 20, 2018, 06:09:21 AM
and were not talking about the card
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 20, 2018, 06:15:09 AM
X2 :yeah:As far as I'm concerned this lies squarely on the shoulders of those people in anti-hunting groups who oppose predator hunting and those people in WDFW and government who allow anti-hunting groups to control the narrative on predator hunting in WA. If you are reading this you should hand your head in shame! Sad day for two innocent people, my condolences go out to the families.
:yeah:
Post by: JohnD on May 20, 2018, 06:50:23 AM
I also see bike riders pretty regularly on the main road.
Post by: jackelope on May 20, 2018, 07:36:38 AM
Post by: mfswallace on May 20, 2018, 08:03:44 AM
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
No. You blaming this attack on politics is silly. A cats a cat and any cat that n any state is fully capable of this attack. This happening on a regular basis I’ve over there since the day after the law changed? I must have missed the news story’s.
Sorry but I’m going to call bs on spin when I see it
That would be sweet if you even had a slight clue what you were talking about!
My friends, my son, and I have responded to dozens, not just a couple handfuls of incidents, but literally dozens of predations by mostly cougar in NE WA for WDFW, most of these incidents occurred after hound hunting was banned. Three attacks by cougar were on children here in NE WA, one at Barstow, one at Deep Lake, one at Sullivan Lake, two of the cats that attacked the kids were caught, one was not. When hound hunting of cougar was allowed the cougar had more fear of humans and stayed farther back in the mountains! There is a direct correlation! Next time you might want to know what you are talking about before you call someone silly! Just sayin! :twocents:
https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/mountain-lion-found-pocatello-tranquilized-and-relocated
Whatever you say dude. Few places have more hound hunters then eastern Idaho. Your just spin doctoring
?? Probably should just let this 1 go :twocents:
https://www.bearpawoutfitters.com/washington_bear_hunting.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwuYTYBRDsARIsAJnrUXA2K-fNMdsd94aNyAPVrWizB6M3nYr-D-iHb93CncLQIiJUPVflqwwaAkv-EALw_wcB
Post by: Gringo31 on May 20, 2018, 08:17:05 AM
Post by: lord grizzly on May 20, 2018, 08:22:28 AM
Post by: jasnt on May 20, 2018, 08:23:13 AM
2 cats for 36 square miles? Total 🐂💩
They have no clue how many of any predators we have in this state. W.a.g.
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 20, 2018, 08:35:50 AM
Post by: Mudman on May 20, 2018, 09:04:50 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 20, 2018, 09:39:25 AM
Just pointing out how you guys mirror the left after a school shooting. It’s really pretty disgusting to spin a tragedy to support your political stance. Go back and look at bear paws first reply to this thread. Literally states antis are responsible for this attack. Couldn’t be a more moronic knee jerk spin zone response to someone losing there life to a wild animal having a predatory response. Your right, there is one in every group that will call BS when they see it even if it will be unpopular.We will never know if hound hunting being banned could have prevented this, that's a no brainer. But, the political views in this liberal state have an effect on management of our wildlife, that is a fact. On this subject I will side with what Dale says, he does have a bit of experience on the subject. Unfortunately in this state, it will almost always be about politics.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 20, 2018, 09:43:34 AM
Post by: PA BEN on May 20, 2018, 09:48:14 AM
Post by: EyeTooth on May 20, 2018, 10:30:24 AM
Post by: lord grizzly on May 20, 2018, 10:44:02 AM
Just pointing out how you guys mirror the left after a school shooting. It’s really pretty disgusting to spin a tragedy to support your political stance. Go back and look at bear paws first reply to this thread. Literally states antis are responsible for this attack. Couldn’t be a more moronic knee jerk spin zone response to someone losing there life to a wild animal having a predatory response. Your right, there is one in every group that will call BS when they see it even if it will be unpopular.We will never know if hound hunting being banned could have prevented this, that's a no brainer. But, the political views in this liberal state have an effect on management of our wildlife, that is a fact. On this subject I will side with what Dale says, he does have a bit of experience on the subject. Unfortunately in this state, it will almost always be about politics.
It’s just ridiculous that it took all of a half dozen posts on a thread about someone losing there life to go there. Pretty low class hunt wa....
Post by: Oh Mah on May 20, 2018, 10:52:16 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 20, 2018, 11:03:36 AM
Just pointing out how you guys mirror the left after a school shooting. It’s really pretty disgusting to spin a tragedy to support your political stance. Go back and look at bear paws first reply to this thread. Literally states antis are responsible for this attack. Couldn’t be a more moronic knee jerk spin zone response to someone losing there life to a wild animal having a predatory response. Your right, there is one in every group that will call BS when they see it even if it will be unpopular.We will never know if hound hunting being banned could have prevented this, that's a no brainer. But, the political views in this liberal state have an effect on management of our wildlife, that is a fact. On this subject I will side with what Dale says, he does have a bit of experience on the subject. Unfortunately in this state, it will almost always be about politics.
It’s just ridiculous that it took all of a half dozen posts on a thread about someone losing there life to go there. Pretty low class hunt wa....
I believe you are entitled to your view points as are we but to say we are low class while you view from afar doesn't help at all. Nobody has said this isn't very sad and wished it wouldn't have happened but it did and we KNOW FROM LIVING HERE that something needs to change. Our voter initiative based predator management aka politics, is ridulous and will only lead to more and more encounters like this. :twocents:
Post by: Humptulips on May 20, 2018, 11:06:12 AM
Just pointing out how you guys mirror the left after a school shooting. It’s really pretty disgusting to spin a tragedy to support your political stance. Go back and look at bear paws first reply to this thread. Literally states antis are responsible for this attack. Couldn’t be a more moronic knee jerk spin zone response to someone losing there life to a wild animal having a predatory response. Your right, there is one in every group that will call BS when they see it even if it will be unpopular.We will never know if hound hunting being banned could have prevented this, that's a no brainer. But, the political views in this liberal state have an effect on management of our wildlife, that is a fact. On this subject I will side with what Dale says, he does have a bit of experience on the subject. Unfortunately in this state, it will almost always be about politics.
It’s just ridiculous that it took all of a half dozen posts on a thread about someone losing there life to go there. Pretty low class hunt wa....
It is plainly obvious to anyone that spends any time in the woods that the cougar population has grown significantly in the last couple decades. Also there is pretty good correlation that the increased population of cougars has been followed by a declining prey population. Ungulate numbers are bottoming out and is it a surprise that maybe cougar are hungry? After all if we find it harder to find a deer the same would follow for cougar.
This chain of events got rolling when I-655 passed. So who to blame ? Maybe you cannot draw a straight line between this event and what has transpired for cougar management but setting in motion a process to increase cougar numbers while at the same time guaranteeing a reduction in their food supply makes an attack like this inevitable.
I think it is fair to blame those who started the process.
Post by: jackelope on May 20, 2018, 11:09:23 AM
I just don't understand why the guy ran when his buddy was being attacked??? There is no way I'm leaving my friend to die, even if it was a grizzly bear, I'm doing what ever I can to help. Two grown men on a cat should encourage it enough to run away, a rock, big stick, heck I'd even try a full nelson on the sob.Not that it makes much difference in this regard, but they released the victims’ info. The person killed was a woman.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 20, 2018, 11:14:15 AM
I guess that would make a difference then, depending on the woman, I know my wife wouldn't run, she can be pretty damn tough when she needs to be. I'm not blaming her here at all, RIP. Sad deal for sure.I just don't understand why the guy ran when his buddy was being attacked??? There is no way I'm leaving my friend to die, even if it was a grizzly bear, I'm doing what ever I can to help. Two grown men on a cat should encourage it enough to run away, a rock, big stick, heck I'd even try a full nelson on the sob.Not that it makes much difference in this regard, but they released the victims’ info. The person killed was a woman.
Post by: bearpaw on May 20, 2018, 11:20:24 AM
Just pointing out how you guys mirror the left after a school shooting. It’s really pretty disgusting to spin a tragedy to support your political stance. Go back and look at bear paws first reply to this thread. Literally states antis are responsible for this attack. Couldn’t be a more moronic knee jerk spin zone response to someone losing there life to a wild animal having a predatory response. Your right, there is one in every group that will call BS when they see it even if it will be unpopular.
You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
No. You blaming this attack on politics is silly. A cats a cat and any cat that n any state is fully capable of this attack. This happening on a regular basis I’ve over there since the day after the law changed? I must have missed the news story’s.
Sorry but I’m going to call bs on spin when I see it
That would be sweet if you even had a slight clue what you were talking about!
My friends, my son, and I have responded to dozens, not just a couple handfuls of incidents, but literally dozens of predations by mostly cougar in NE WA for WDFW, most of these incidents occurred after hound hunting was banned. Three attacks by cougar were on children here in NE WA, one at Barstow, one at Deep Lake, one at Sullivan Lake, two of the cats that attacked the kids were caught, one was not. When hound hunting of cougar was allowed the cougar had more fear of humans and stayed farther back in the mountains! There is a direct correlation! Next time you might want to know what you are talking about before you call someone silly! Just sayin! :twocents:
https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/mountain-lion-found-pocatello-tranquilized-and-relocated
Whatever you say dude. Few places have more hound hunters then eastern Idaho. Your just spin doctoring
It's funny that you happened to post that story. I am a hound hunter in eastern Idaho, I've been hunting that area for 20 years, I own a house there, I'm extremely familiar with the cougar in southeast Idaho. In fact I think I harvested the cougar in the story during a later hunting season after it was moved by F&G. We caught a nice tom that had an ear tag in a remote mountain range an hour or so from Pocatello, F&G was kind enough to provide us with the history of that lion and a photo of it treed in a backyard in Pocatello.
My theory is that cougar wandered into town hunting deer, there are a lot of deer that live in Pocatello. If you drive around the west side of town you might see 100 or 200 deer, more than you will see in the mountains that are behind town. F&G did not mention that the cat had been aggressive toward humans, just that it was caught in town and moved. In fact I only know of one human attack by cougar near Rexburg Idaho in recent times. I think there have been fewer attacks in Idaho because the cats get pursued by hounds and humans all over Idaho. Most hound hunters pursue and phtograph far more cougar than they kill and Idaho has a lot of hound hunters all over the state. I can tell you that when I approach most treed cougars in southeast Idaho the majority will jump and run again, they are definitely afraid of humans. On the other hand many cougar attacks have occurred in the last few decades in Washington and most occurred after hounds were outlawed and are no longer used to pursue cougar in WA. Other than humans looking strange there is no reason for most cougar to fear humans in WA. I think the ratio of cougar attacks on humans in WA verses Idaho strongly indicates that hound hunting is a very useful tool in cougar management and behavior.
As I mentioned previously, the best thing that could be done in WA is to allow hound pursuit only cougar hunting which would condition cougar to fear humans and dogs. Cougar would be chased, treed, and left alive. I doubt a kill season for hounds will ever happen in WA due to the political climate, but a pursuit season would definitely help reinforce a fear of humans and dogs in many of Washington's cougar.
No spin, just facts and theories strongly supported by known data!
(see tag in ear)
Post by: Caseyd on May 20, 2018, 11:21:33 AM
Post by: bigtex on May 20, 2018, 12:20:28 PM
Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.It was a woman
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 20, 2018, 12:38:31 PM
To the people that think that a hand gun would have saved these guys:
-Yes, cougars sometimes follow you for long distances, but generally they are ambush predators.
-These guys were mountain biking, while I am pretty sure none of us actually know how they were initially attacked, there is a very good chance that drawing a gun while going down a trail at a fast pace riding a bike is unlikely to have been a reasonable countermeasure if they even saw it before they were hit.
Yeah, except for the one who ran away after the attack on the other commenced and became prey instead of pulling a firearm and going to the top of the apex. I think it's quite likely a handgun would've saved at least one or even both of these people.
Post by: Cylvertip on May 20, 2018, 12:46:21 PM
They fended it off once, then it came back. Lead supplements, the loud bang from a round going of, or even bear spray would have been highly likely to save the day.
I don't go too many places without a sidearm, and definitely not into the woods. Generally that is due to two legged critters, but also for occasions such as this.
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Post by: jackelope on May 20, 2018, 01:18:02 PM
Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.
Post by: jackelope on May 20, 2018, 01:20:34 PM
Post by: lord grizzly on May 20, 2018, 01:27:28 PM
Just pointing out how you guys mirror the left after a school shooting. It’s really pretty disgusting to spin a tragedy to support your political stance. Go back and look at bear paws first reply to this thread. Literally states antis are responsible for this attack. Couldn’t be a more moronic knee jerk spin zone response to someone losing there life to a wild animal having a predatory response. Your right, there is one in every group that will call BS when they see it even if it will be unpopular.You guys jumping directly to relating this to hunting/politics is plain silly. It could be the only cougar left in the state and still have done this under the right ( or wrong) circumstances. Maybe I’d buy it if it was like a once a week or even month thing but come on n guys. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy
You guys are as bad as the left given the right subject matter ...
Immediately following the closure of hound hunting predation on pets and livestock skyrocketed. I know because myself and my hunting partners helped WDFW with a lot of the predation calls in NE WA. You ignoring the obvious is just plain silly! :twocents:
No. You blaming this attack on politics is silly. A cats a cat and any cat that n any state is fully capable of this attack. This happening on a regular basis I’ve over there since the day after the law changed? I must have missed the news story’s.
Sorry but I’m going to call bs on spin when I see it
That would be sweet if you even had a slight clue what you were talking about!
My friends, my son, and I have responded to dozens, not just a couple handfuls of incidents, but literally dozens of predations by mostly cougar in NE WA for WDFW, most of these incidents occurred after hound hunting was banned. Three attacks by cougar were on children here in NE WA, one at Barstow, one at Deep Lake, one at Sullivan Lake, two of the cats that attacked the kids were caught, one was not. When hound hunting of cougar was allowed the cougar had more fear of humans and stayed farther back in the mountains! There is a direct correlation! Next time you might want to know what you are talking about before you call someone silly! Just sayin! :twocents:
https://idfg.idaho.gov/press/mountain-lion-found-pocatello-tranquilized-and-relocated
Whatever you say dude. Few places have more hound hunters then eastern Idaho. Your just spin doctoring
It's funny that you happened to post that story. I am a hound hunter in eastern Idaho, I've been hunting that area for 20 years, I own a house there, I'm extremely familiar with the cougar in southeast Idaho. In fact I think I harvested the cougar in the story during a later hunting season after it was moved by F&G. We caught a nice tom that had an ear tag in a remote mountain range an hour or so from Pocatello, F&G was kind enough to provide us with the history of that lion and a photo of it treed in a backyard in Pocatello.
My theory is that cougar wandered into town hunting deer, there are a lot of deer that live in Pocatello. If you drive around the west side of town you might see 100 or 200 deer, more than you will see in the mountains that are behind town. F&G did not mention that the cat had been aggressive toward humans, just that it was caught in town and moved. In fact I only know of one human attack by cougar near Rexburg Idaho in recent times. I think there have been fewer attacks in Idaho because the cats get pursued by hounds and humans all over Idaho. Most hound hunters pursue and phtograph far more cougar than they kill and Idaho has a lot of hound hunters all over the state. I can tell you that when I approach most treed cougars in southeast Idaho the majority will jump and run again, they are definitely afraid of humans. On the other hand many cougar attacks have occurred in the last few decades in Washington and most occurred after hounds were outlawed and are no longer used to pursue cougar in WA. Other than humans looking strange there is no reason for most cougar to fear humans in WA. I think the ratio of cougar attacks on humans in WA verses Idaho strongly indicates that hound hunting is a very useful tool in cougar management and behavior.
As I mentioned previously, the best thing that could be done in WA is to allow hound pursuit only cougar hunting which would condition cougar to fear humans and dogs. Cougar would be chased, treed, and left alive. I doubt a kill season for hounds will ever happen in WA due to the political climate, but a pursuit season would definitely help reinforce a fear of humans and dogs in many of Washington's cougar.
No spin, just facts and theories strongly supported by known data!
(see tag in ear)
The story I posted is 6 days old. Doubting you’ve taken that cat since...
Post by: lord grizzly on May 20, 2018, 01:34:38 PM
I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better
Post by: bearpaw on May 20, 2018, 01:45:30 PM
Photos of the other cat in Pocatello.
Post by: huntnfmly on May 20, 2018, 01:53:00 PM
I'm sure you're just arguing to argue.
Common sense tells us that if cougars were chased by hounds and hunters they would become more weary of humans and not so bold as to stalk and attack.
If their numbers were kept in check their food supply would be higher and would not have allot of hungry cats that are not afraid of humans
Post by: bearpaw on May 20, 2018, 02:24:52 PM
And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.
I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better
A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.
I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.
Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.
I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!
Post by: vandeman17 on May 20, 2018, 02:29:13 PM
This is saying two men...? The other article actually gives names but this gives direct quotes from authorities. :dunno:
Post by: dreamunelk on May 20, 2018, 02:37:45 PM
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/ (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/)
Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America)
Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.
While we can second guess the people involved. This was definitely not normal cougar behavior. Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.
Post by: bearpaw on May 20, 2018, 02:46:44 PM
This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/ (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/)
Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America)
Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.
While we can second guess the people involved. This was definitely not normal cougar behavior. Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.
I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:
Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)
Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?
The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.
Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!
Post by: bigtex on May 20, 2018, 03:22:01 PM
And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.
I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better
A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.
I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.
Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.
I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!
How many live in WA compared to ID?This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/ (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/)
Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America)
Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.
While we can second guess the people involved. This was definitely not normal cougar behavior. Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.
I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:
Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)
Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?
The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.
Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: olyguy79 on May 20, 2018, 03:48:52 PM
:yeah:And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.
I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better
A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.
I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.
Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.
I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!How many live in WA compared to ID?This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/ (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/)
Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America)
Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.
While we can second guess the people involved. This was definitely not normal cougar behavior. Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.
I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:
Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)
Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?
The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.
Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: Mudman on May 20, 2018, 04:06:41 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 20, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
As far as I'm concerned this lies squarely on the shoulders of those people in anti-hunting groups who oppose predator hunting and those people in WDFW and government who allow anti-hunting groups to control the narrative on predator hunting in WA. If you are reading this you should hand your head in shame! Sad day for two innocent people, my condolences go out to the families.And as prey animals disappear this will happen more and more. Loss of fear, and an easy meal. Bad combination
Post by: Bango skank on May 20, 2018, 04:14:59 PM
Post by: olyguy79 on May 20, 2018, 04:18:33 PM
People in Id use their lands. they don't just hike bird watch and hug trees. I doubt that assumption is accurate. Also their land is open to public and not just permit pass etc. More people sitting in starbucks with their wifi then in the woods.Spend much time on the forest lands in King Co?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: jackelope on May 20, 2018, 04:47:02 PM
People in Id use their lands. they don't just hike bird watch and hug trees. I doubt that assumption is accurate. Also their land is open to public and not just permit pass etc. More people sitting in starbucks with their wifi then in the woods.
What does this even mean?
There is crap tons of land in this state open to use without permits. I have a discover pass and a forest pass and I’ve never needed any other kind of pass to access tons and tons of western Washington public land. Nevermind eastern Washington land.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on May 20, 2018, 04:56:19 PM
2 lions for 39 sq mi? What a joke. I have 21 acres and get at least 5 or 6 different cats on my property every year, not counting cubs. And tracks and tcam evidence on public land.... wdfw cant be that stupid, theyre just flat out lying through their teeth.
Yes......yes they can be that stupid.
Post by: Bango skank on May 20, 2018, 05:02:56 PM
Post by: Bango skank on May 20, 2018, 05:07:41 PM
Post by: KFhunter on May 20, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
I have a safariiland drop holster and it works surprisingly well when I'm on the bicycle. I like the buckle on the belt so it's easy to pop the rig off my leg for driving, then put it back on just as easy. I might switch it up but it's working pretty good now. I did take off the level 3 retention hood, don't need that in the woods, so the holster is just open top now.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.safariland.com%2Fdw%2Fimage%2Fv2%2FAAQV_PRD%2Fon%2Fdemandware.static%2F-%2FSites-safariland-master%2Fdefault%2Fdw91a1bedf%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2FDutyGear%2F7355-SP10.JPG%3Fsw%3D600%26amp%3Bsh%3D600%26amp%3Bsm%3Dfit&hash=10b8c851eefd18c3e7c4798ec4bb8a19c2109bac)
A chest rig would work well for bicycling, but conflicts with a back pack. I use an Eberlestock X1A1, and need to carry the pistol pretty low to clear the belly strap on the backpack because I have some small pouches on the belly band.
Post by: timberfaller on May 20, 2018, 05:55:16 PM
After this years Hunter Ed IST and the "cougar" update and study being done, PLUS the wolf issue, YOU'D be pretty dumb not to go "armed" into the forest or "back yard" of many of the states housing developments!! :yike:
Post by: Bob33 on May 20, 2018, 06:15:22 PM
It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.
Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle. The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.
Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.
Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.
Post by: KFhunter on May 20, 2018, 06:29:48 PM
It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.
Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle. The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.
Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.
Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.
@Bob33
This might have something to do with it.
Tom Fulcoloro, founder of Seattle Bike Blog, wrote a story about Brooks, who preferred to be called "they."
Brooks started a Seattle chapter of Friends on Bikes to help women of color, trans and non-conforming people become interested in bicycling.
She may have been one or more letters in LGBTQQIP2SAA where (2S) means "two spirit" hence her request to be called "they", just a guess.
Post by: jackelope on May 20, 2018, 06:36:39 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 20, 2018, 06:38:42 PM
Interesting. Thanks.It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.
Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle. The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.
Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.
Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.
@Bob33
This might have something to do with it.
Tom Fulcoloro, founder of Seattle Bike Blog, wrote a story about Brooks, who preferred to be called "they." Brooks started a Seattle chapter of Friends on Bikes to help women of color, trans and non-conforming people become interested in bicycling.
She may have been one or more letters in LGBTQQIP2SAA where (2S) means "two spirit" hence her request to be called "they", just a guess.
Post by: CarbonHunter on May 20, 2018, 07:01:21 PM
As far as I'm concerned this lies squarely on the shoulders of those people in anti-hunting groups who oppose predator hunting and those people in WDFW and government who allow anti-hunting groups to control the narrative on predator hunting in WA. If you are reading this you should hand your head in shame! Sad day for two innocent people, my condolences go out to the families.And as prey animals disappear this will happen more and more. Loss of fear, and an easy meal. Bad combination
I think the lack of prey animals may have played into the issues of cougar attacks. This animal was 30-40 pounds underweight for its age and is in an area where the habit is poor and prey animals are limited. There has been similar attacks in California against hikers and bikers where there is insufficient preys animals and it appears that bikers and hikers that don’t confront cougars often appear to be prey.
Post by: bearpaw on May 20, 2018, 07:27:38 PM
:yeah:And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.
I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better
A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.
I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.
Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.
I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!How many live in WA compared to ID?This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/ (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/)
Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America)
Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.
While we can second guess the people involved. This was definitely not normal cougar behavior. Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.
I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:
Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)
Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?
The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.
Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
That might be a stretch, but if there are so many more people recreating in WA isn't that further reason for this state to be concerned about conditioning cougar to fear humans? I guess I don't quite see the logic in your statements?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 20, 2018, 08:25:52 PM
I truly hope both families will heal from such a tragedy, I know I'd have a helluva time doing so.
RIP Ms. Brooks
Post by: jstone on May 20, 2018, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 20, 2018, 08:39:22 PM
Sorry for the lose. But if that was my friend I would have beat that cat to death with my bike. I would not have left my friend.
Me neither........... :'(
Post by: olyguy79 on May 20, 2018, 09:24:28 PM
More people in the woods is more potential for an attack.:yeah:And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.
I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better
A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.
I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.
Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.
I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!How many live in WA compared to ID?This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/ (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/)
Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America)
Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.
While we can second guess the people involved. This was definitely not normal cougar behavior. Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.
I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:
Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)
Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?
The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.
Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
That might be a stretch, but if there are so many more people recreating in WA isn't that further reason for this state to be concerned about conditioning cougar to fear humans? I guess I don't quite see the logic in your statements?
I don't disagree about conditioning cougars to fear humans, but I'd say it's also a stretch to say you could condition every cougar.
No matter what there eill always be potential for an animal vs. Person attack. Doesn't matter if it's cougar vs human or deer vs human.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: idaho guy on May 20, 2018, 09:24:49 PM
As far as I'm concerned this lies squarely on the shoulders of those people in anti-hunting groups who oppose predator hunting and those people in WDFW and government who allow anti-hunting groups to control the narrative on predator hunting in WA. If you are reading this you should hand your head in shame! Sad day for two innocent people, my condolences go out to the families.And as prey animals disappear this will happen more and more. Loss of fear, and an easy meal. Bad combination
I think the lack of prey animals may have played into the issues of cougar attacks. This animal was 30-40 pounds underweight for its age and is in an area where the habit is poor and prey animals are limited. There has been similar attacks in California against hikers and bikers where there is insufficient preys animals and it appears that bikers and hikers that don’t confront cougars often appear to be prey.
So Washington is starting to have lion attacks like California?
Interesting the original state to ban hounds has been having attacks like this for years. and in both states usually the the lion is caught and killed with dogs anyways. Maybe the lack of prey has to do with too many cats? This is a shame and my prayers are with the families. But there’s No way hound hunting wouldn’t reduce these incidents. Hound hunting won’t eliminate problem cats but you will definitely have LESS.Too many cats and a lack of fear for humans is going to lead to more problem cats. Not political just commen sense. It’s a sad deal either way
Post by: Gringo31 on May 20, 2018, 09:26:45 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 20, 2018, 09:30:34 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 20, 2018, 09:54:33 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 20, 2018, 10:03:05 PM
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2018, 10:19:12 PM
nuSorry for the lose. But if that was my friend I would have beat that cat to death with my bike. I would not have left my friend.
Me neither........... :'(
Nor I. However if I was down being mauled Nd my wife was near me I would be yelling at her to get clear. Sounds like something like that happened. However after the cat dropped the guy and went after the gal, it sounds like he left for help. Not sure I would have done that, but I was not there and do not know the circumstances. Easy to play armchair QB.
Personally I would rather be carrying pepper spray than a gun in a situation like that.
Post by: EyeTooth on May 20, 2018, 11:06:46 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on May 21, 2018, 04:05:13 AM
Sorry for the lose. But if that was my friend I would have beat that cat to death with my bike. I would not have left my friendI hear you. That is pretty easy to say from home, but I think if he had tried that they would both be dead. His injuries are SERIOUS and he's lucky to be alive.
We need to get people carrying bear spray when they recreate. It would have made the difference in this story
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 21, 2018, 05:06:37 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 21, 2018, 05:41:01 AM
More people in the woods is more potential for an attack.:yeah:And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.
I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better
A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.
I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.
Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.
I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!How many live in WA compared to ID?This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/ (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/)
Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America)
Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.
While we can second guess the people involved. This was definitely not normal cougar behavior. Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.
I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:
Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)
Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?
The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.
Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
That might be a stretch, but if there are so many more people recreating in WA isn't that further reason for this state to be concerned about conditioning cougar to fear humans? I guess I don't quite see the logic in your statements?
I don't disagree about conditioning cougars to fear humans, but I'd say it's also a stretch to say you could condition every cougar.
No matter what there eill always be potential for an animal vs. Person attack. Doesn't matter if it's cougar vs human or deer vs human.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
I never said you could condition every cougar, that is not possible due to the many roadless areas. There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. In an area with much access most cougar would get conditioned by hound hunters if there was a season. I think I read that cougar was 3 to 4 years old, if there was still hound hunting or a pursuit season there is a pretty good chance that cougar could have been conditioned prior to this incident. If there was still a hound hunting take season there is a pretty good chance that cougar would not have existed that close to town.
Post by: bearpaw on May 21, 2018, 05:51:00 AM
Sorry for the lose. But if that was my friend I would have beat that cat to death with my bike. I would not have left my friendI hear you. That is pretty easy to say from home, but I think if he had tried that they would both be dead. His injuries are SERIOUS and he's lucky to be alive.
We need to get people carrying bear spray when they recreate. It would have made the difference in this story
I think you are right, there are a lot of people who don't have the training to be packing a gun, spray would definitely be best for those people. Sometimes the mind does not think as clearly in the heat of the moment and instincts take over your actions, if you've never given any thought about encounters with dangerous animals I can see where a person would not know what to do. In recent years agencies in most states have done a good job of getting the word out advising people what to do when confronted by wild animals, but no doubt there are a lot of people who have missed that information or not given it much thought. But it seems most likely a weapon or spray are the only things that could have stopped this cougar attack.
Post by: 92xj on May 21, 2018, 06:08:53 AM
Killing cougars throws them into social chaos.
Hunters kill only the old predators leaving the young ones alive, which these are the ones that tend to let the selves be seen. Which only the young ones eat and kill people.
People are stupid.
https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/local/rare-cougar-attack-a-mystery-even-for-experts/281-556430828
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on May 21, 2018, 07:19:02 AM
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 07:24:59 AM
It's the hunters fault this happened.
Killing cougars throws them into social chaos.
Hunters kill only the old predators leaving the young ones alive, which these are the ones that tend to let the selves be seen. Which only the young ones eat and kill people.
People are stupid.
https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/local/rare-cougar-attack-a-mystery-even-for-experts/281-556430828
This is a good illustration of what WA is up against in trying to get decent management to happen.
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 07:29:06 AM
Sorry for the lose. But if that was my friend I would have beat that cat to death with my bike. I would not have left my friendI hear you. That is pretty easy to say from home, but I think if he had tried that they would both be dead. His injuries are SERIOUS and he's lucky to be alive.
We need to get people carrying bear spray when they recreate. It would have made the difference in this story
100% disagree
I know of two mothers who beat off cougars who had their children's' skull in their mouths dragging the children off.
One was a grandmother, she relentlessly pursued the cat up a steep embankment (cat was dragging the child by the skull) wacking at it with a broom
The other mother beat off the cat with a backpack who had her child by the skull dragging him into the bushes.
And I know a little girl who beat off a cat with a shovel, wacked it on the head and treed the cat, she was 6 or 7, she's a feisty little thing, she was raised "free range" before it was cool. In her case goats had brought in the cat, they were in their pen and she was out to feed them, cat thwarted by the pen came right up to the girl and got a face full of shovel *bonk!* then shovel in hand she preceded to chase the cat up a tree.
I heard the 1st hand report as a knew the people, then later talked to WDFW, they killed the cat about 100 yards from the residence.
I do agree everyone should carry spray, or gun, if a cat decides to prey test humans I just assume they be dead, it's not like they're endangered around here.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 21, 2018, 07:50:00 AM
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 07:51:53 AM
Or carry both.
Spray would be nice if the cat is latched on to your buddy and you can't safely shoot it, spray the whole pile up, then transition to weapon when the cat lets go and you get a clear shot :tup:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 21, 2018, 07:57:28 AM
But the non-lethal to others, as you point out, and the shotgun blast effect is also appealing. I have two little guys to look out for.
Post by: rtspring on May 21, 2018, 08:12:59 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2018, 08:21:23 AM
It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.
Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle. The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.
Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.
Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.
Yes, it's really strange that even in the most recent news articles, they never use the words "she," "her," or "woman" when referring to the person who was killed. I can't find anything that says a woman was killed by a cougar. I don't get it. Why the secrecy?
Post by: bearpaw on May 21, 2018, 08:29:56 AM
It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.
Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle. The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.
Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.
Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.
Yes, it's really strange that even in the most recent news articles, they never use the words "she," "her," or "woman" when referring to the person who was killed. I can't find anything that says a woman was killed by a cougar. I don't get it. Why the secrecy?
Maybe she didn't identify as a woman? :dunno:
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 08:32:25 AM
Quote
@ Bob33
This might have something to do with it.
Tom Fulcoloro, founder of Seattle Bike Blog, wrote a story about Brooks, who preferred to be called "they." Brooks started a Seattle chapter of Friends on Bikes to help women of color, trans and non-conforming people become interested in bicycling.
She may have been one or more letters in LGBTQQIP2SAA where (2S) means "two spirit" hence her request to be called "they", just a guess.
Not that is has any bearing on the attack, but it might help allay some of the suspicion and confusion why they keep getting the gender wrong in the news stories.
Post by: bobcat on May 21, 2018, 08:39:08 AM
See reply #135 to Bob33Quote@ Bob33
This might have something to do with it.
Tom Fulcoloro, founder of Seattle Bike Blog, wrote a story about Brooks, who preferred to be called "they." Brooks started a Seattle chapter of Friends on Bikes to help women of color, trans and non-conforming people become interested in bicycling.
She may have been one or more letters in LGBTQQIP2SAA where (2S) means "two spirit" hence her request to be called "they", just a guess.
Not that is has any bearing on the attack, but it might help allay some of the suspicion and confusion why they keep getting the gender wrong in the news stories.
Okay, I missed that post. Makes a little more sense but that's just dumb.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 21, 2018, 08:42:32 AM
Post by: Okanagan on May 21, 2018, 09:01:30 AM
Had the two stayed together it seems that they would have had a better chance of defending themselves and maybe getting the animal to abandon the attack. It can only bite one at a time so the other could kick, hit, whack with a rock or even a bike. There are a number of such cases in British Columbia, like the one where a mother beat a cougar with her fists etc. till the lion abandoned its attack on her child and ran away. If attacked when with a partner, I hope we stick together and fight together.
Re defending oneself: my experience with calling and tracking cougars makes me think that if a cat really wants to kill a human, it probably can, no matter how the human is armed.
I've been followed and stalked many times, as close as 21 feet, yet have never seen those cats, only found tracks in snow etc. afterwards. None of these are counting cougars that were coming to a call sound. In areas with some brush or other cover there is an extremely small chance that the human will detect a sneaky lion in time to use even a handgun or spray. My read of cougar kills on deer in snow have shown that the cat makes contact with the victim usually within two touches of the ground, usually on the first bound. My senses are not as good as a deer's. Yet sometimes with humans, as in this case, the cat shows itself and openly stalks the victims. Spray or gun would have been invaluable in this and similar cases.
Added opinion based on field experience: Anyone who has spent much time walking in the woods of WA has had a cougar follow him.
Post by: olyguy79 on May 21, 2018, 09:10:12 AM
I've hunted that land my entire life. There's always been cougars there.More people in the woods is more potential for an attack.:yeah:And a lot of kids ride bikes on campus. Easily could have a situation just like happened in Washington in a state ( as you well know) ha David hound hunting.
I’ve not once defended any way shape or form Washington’s predator plan or lack there of, I’m just saying blaming an attack quote “squarely” on a policy is not accurate. And one so knowledgeable as you should know better
A cougar could have gone after a human in Pocatello, but it didn't.
I'm seriously telling you, hound hunters and pursuit-only hunting have conditioned most cougar in Idaho, especially cougar that live close to lots of hound hunters like the Pocatello area, to be afraid of humans. Twenty years ago when I first started hunting in SE ID the cats acted much differently, you could walk up to most cougar in a tree, today the majority will jump and run again when they see a human coming.
I stand by my statements.
There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. When hounds were outlawed the WDFW allowed it to happen, they made no attempt to educate the public about the need for hound hunting. Maybe they didn't understand that hound hunters might be performing a public service by conditioning cougar to be afraid? But the fact is that they allowed it to happen. Since hound hunting was banned cougar have multiplied the most in western Washington, we already had a lot of cats in E WA. 30 years ago how many cougar attacks were there in WA? How many cougar were seen in western WA? Most attacks have occurred since the ban.
Many of our rural legislators have tried to pass legislation to allow cougar hunting, but the majority legislators from the cities vote it down. When the citizen commission tried to increase cougar quotas even slightly, Governor Inslee rescinded their decision. WDFW won't even attempt to get hound hunting back now, they don't want to go up against the anti-hunting groups. The anti-hunters have a strangle hold on predator hunting in WA, most politicians and many in the WDFW are complicit by continually restricting predator hunting more and more.
I know there are some good folks in politics and in WDFW who try to support predator hunting, they obviously are not the people I lay blame on!How many live in WA compared to ID?This happened in Idaho.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/ (https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/08/family-of-girl-attacked-by-mountain-lion-she-could-have-been-gone/)
Fatal Attacks by Cougars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America)
Fatal attacks by Dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States)
I am more concerned about peoples pet dogs than I am cougars.
While we can second guess the people involved. This was definitely not normal cougar behavior. Been seeing cougars since I started running the woods by myself in the mid seventies.
I mentioned that Idaho attack, the score is:
Idaho 1 attack
Washington (I lost count)
Which state is safest, which state has hound hunting? Coincidence?
The anti-hunters like to throw around statistics indicating most people are not attacked by cougars or wolves, etc, it's sort of like the the sheep mentality as explained by KFhunter. As long as only one or two sheep are killed the rest of the sheep go back to grazing.
Everything is fine unless you happen to be one of the sheep that did't make it!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
There's probably more people recreating right now on the state/federal forest lands in King County alone this minute then on the state/federal forest lands in the entire state of Idaho his minute.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
That might be a stretch, but if there are so many more people recreating in WA isn't that further reason for this state to be concerned about conditioning cougar to fear humans? I guess I don't quite see the logic in your statements?
I don't disagree about conditioning cougars to fear humans, but I'd say it's also a stretch to say you could condition every cougar.
No matter what there eill always be potential for an animal vs. Person attack. Doesn't matter if it's cougar vs human or deer vs human.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
I never said you could condition every cougar, that is not possible due to the many roadless areas. There used to be a lot of hound hunters in western WA. In an area with much access most cougar would get conditioned by hound hunters if there was a season. I think I read that cougar was 3 to 4 years old, if there was still hound hunting or a pursuit season there is a pretty good chance that cougar could have been conditioned prior to this incident. If there was still a hound hunting take season there is a pretty good chance that cougar would not have existed that close to town.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Post by: mulehunter on May 21, 2018, 09:14:00 AM
Each Cougar has their own territory. They push another cougar out of their territory caused more trouble cougars. Also after Liberalism west people start to control WDFW and banned Hound in March 2011. From 1950's thur March 2011 in Washington We all used to chase Coons/Bears/ Cougars and sometime during coon season hounds normal picked up scent of Cougars in wood by pursuit. It does helps to keep Cougars stay away from Human. After March 2011 to now. Lots Coon houndman quit chase and more and more cougars take over their own territory. That's what's happen to 2 guys in WESTSIDE because Idiot people don't know any *censored* about all Predators that's why it's happening now.
Key: vote Inslee out of office ASAP!
Again, I blame Liberals/HSHS for Voting ban hounds in March 2011. Liberalism/Westside need to pull there head out of there A$$ and think about bringing hounds back to start pursuit Cougars.
It's about Liberal, although the westside is, and more about being
Ignorance about the subject and believing HSUS propaganda because it "seems reasonable"... Pure ignorance. HSUS is responsible for the DEATH.
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 09:19:40 AM
With hindsight we can see things that the victims apparently didn't in the stress of the critical seconds.
Had the two stayed together it seems that they would have had a better chance of defending themselves and maybe getting the animal to abandon the attack. It can only bite one at a time so the other could kick, hit, whack with a rock or even a bike. There are a number of such cases in British Columbia, like the one where a mother beat a cougar with her fists etc. till the lion abandoned its attack on her child and ran away. If attacked when with a partner, I hope we stick together and fight together.
Re defending oneself: my experience with calling and tracking cougars makes me think that if a cat really wants to kill a human, it probably can, no matter how the human is armed.
I've been followed and stalked many times, as close as 21 feet, yet have never seen those cats, only found tracks in snow etc. afterwards. None of these are counting cougars that were coming to a call sound. In areas with some brush or other cover there is an extremely small chance that the human will detect a sneaky lion in time to use even a handgun or spray. My read of cougar kills on deer in snow have shown that the cat makes contact with the victim usually within two touches of the ground, usually on the first bound. My senses are not as good as a deer's. Yet sometimes with humans, as in this case, the cat shows itself and openly stalks the victims. Spray or gun would have been invaluable in this and similar cases.
Added opinion based on field experience: Anyone who has spent much time walking in the woods of WA has had a cougar follow him.
"Yet sometimes with humans, as in this case, the cat shows itself and openly stalks the victims"
It's called prey testing as humans are outside of their normal prey species, they need educated at this point or it could turn deadly, it's not the time to go running and screaming.
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 09:23:12 AM
It's interesting how far out of the way the media is going to avoid indicating that the victim was female. This is from the Seattle Times.Everything I’m seeing still says “man” killed. Cat was 100lbs 3-4 years old Tom.
Myers confirmed the identities of the victims as S.J. Brooks, 32, of Seattle, and injured friend Isaac Sederbaum, 31, also of Seattle. The King County Medical Examiner’s Office will formally identify the victim after an autopsy is performed. They were mountain biking on a remote, dirt road northeast of Snoqualmie on Saturday morning when they came across the cougar, which began stalking them and then attacked, according to police and Fish and Wildlife officials.
Sederbaum suffered serious lacerations and bites to his head, neck and face, requiring surgery. He’s in satisfactory condition at Harborview Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Susan Gregg.
Brooks was the director of operations at Hillman City Collaboratory, where grass-roots organizations and people share the space, and was a research assistant at William James College in Massachusetts. A Linked-In profile also states Brooks had been the office manager of G&O Family Cyclery in Seattle’s Greenwood neighborhood. While living in the Boston area, Brooks was a manager at Boston Center for the Arts and a bicycle mechanic. According to the profile, Brooks got a doctorate in philosophy at Boston University in 2016.
Yes, it's really strange that even in the most recent news articles, they never use the words "she," "her," or "woman" when referring to the person who was killed. I can't find anything that says a woman was killed by a cougar. I don't get it. Why the secrecy?
Maybe she didn't identify as a woman? :dunno:
I'm pretty sure, based on what I've read, that the person killed chooses to identify as a male, or maybe undetermined? Or maybe it's called something different. It's over my head either way.
"their"
Post by: Knocker of rocks on May 21, 2018, 10:14:50 AM
People in west has NO education period!
Each Cougar has their own territory. They push another cougar out of their territory caused more trouble cougars. Also after Liberalism west people start to control WDFW and banned Hound in March 2011. From 1950's thur March 2011 in Washington We all used to chase Coons/Bears/ Cougars and sometime during coon season hounds normal picked up scent of Cougars in wood by pursuit. It does helps to keep Cougars stay away from Human. After March 2011 to now. Lots Coon houndman quit chase and more and more cougars take over their own territory. That's what's happen to 2 guys in WESTSIDE because Idiot people don't know any *censored* about all Predators that's why it's happening now.
Key: vote Inslee out of office ASAP!
Again, I blame Liberals/HSHS for Voting ban hounds in March 2011. Liberalism/Westside need to pull there head out of there A$$ and think about bringing hounds back to start pursuit Cougars.
It's about Liberal, although the westside is, and more about being
Ignorance about the subject and believing HSUS propaganda because it "seems reasonable"... Pure ignorance. HSUS is responsible for the DEATH.
I Think Your Calender Of Events Is All Off. Probably Something The Westside Liberals Did To Your Calender In 1996
Post by: mulehunter on May 21, 2018, 10:26:56 AM
People in west has NO education period!
Each Cougar has their own territory. They push another cougar out of their territory caused more trouble cougars. Also after Liberalism west people start to control WDFW and banned Hound in March 2011. From 1950's thur March 2011 in Washington We all used to chase Coons/Bears/ Cougars and sometime during coon season hounds normal picked up scent of Cougars in wood by pursuit. It does helps to keep Cougars stay away from Human. After March 2011 to now. Lots Coon houndman quit chase and more and more cougars take over their own territory. That's what's happen to 2 guys in WESTSIDE because Idiot people don't know any *censored* about all Predators that's why it's happening now.
Key: vote Inslee out of office ASAP!
Again, I blame Liberals/HSHS for Voting ban hounds in March 2011. Liberalism/Westside need to pull there head out of there A$$ and think about bringing hounds back to start pursuit Cougars.
It's about Liberal, although the westside is, and more about being
Ignorance about the subject and believing HSUS propaganda because it "seems reasonable"... Pure ignorance. HSUS is responsible for the DEATH.
I Think Your Calender Of Events Is All Off. Probably Something The Westside Liberals Did To Your Calender In 1996
I already know that about 1996.... etc 🤦🏼♂️ My whole Point is the March 2011 Cougar Drawing Cougar hunting permits Voted to STOP in March 2011. The Coon season with hounds season hasn't banned yet.
Lots of Coons Houndmen has been chase coons and end up trees Bears, Cougars, etc by accidents all the times in wood for YEARS YEARS even after 1996, and Houndman don't shoot illegally, but take dogs away and go other places and Reg season with Hounds chase Coyotes got banned JUST few years before March 2011
Again, All Coon hunters START to quit everything March 2011-May 2018 I sold everything right after State Banned Pursuit Cougars.
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2018, 10:36:23 AM
I can think of no reason you leave a buddy behind, not when his vehicle breaks down, not in a bar fight, going through a rough patch in life, and for damn sure not when something is trying to kill them!!!!
Im with you man.
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2018, 10:39:19 AM
With hindsight we can see things that the victims apparently didn't in the stress of the critical seconds.
Had the two stayed together it seems that they would have had a better chance of defending themselves and maybe getting the animal to abandon the attack. It can only bite one at a time so the other could kick, hit, whack with a rock or even a bike. There are a number of such cases in British Columbia, like the one where a mother beat a cougar with her fists etc. till the lion abandoned its attack on her child and ran away. If attacked when with a partner, I hope we stick together and fight together.
Re defending oneself: my experience with calling and tracking cougars makes me think that if a cat really wants to kill a human, it probably can, no matter how the human is armed.
I've been followed and stalked many times, as close as 21 feet, yet have never seen those cats, only found tracks in snow etc. afterwards. None of these are counting cougars that were coming to a call sound. In areas with some brush or other cover there is an extremely small chance that the human will detect a sneaky lion in time to use even a handgun or spray. My read of cougar kills on deer in snow have shown that the cat makes contact with the victim usually within two touches of the ground, usually on the first bound. My senses are not as good as a deer's. Yet sometimes with humans, as in this case, the cat shows itself and openly stalks the victims. Spray or gun would have been invaluable in this and similar cases.
Added opinion based on field experience: Anyone who has spent much time walking in the woods of WA has had a cougar follow him.
Its how I always figured Id go out, and odds are Ill never know its coming. Ive had many encounters. I could write a book. As KF has noted, Ive been prey tested multiple times, and thankfully Ive always made the sale. "Im not worth it"
Post by: mulehunter on May 21, 2018, 10:48:49 AM
I can think of no reason you leave a buddy behind, not when his vehicle breaks down, not in a bar fight, going through a rough patch in life, and for damn sure not when something is trying to kill them!!!!
Im with you man.
:yeah: Agreed 1,000%
Post by: 2MANY on May 21, 2018, 11:03:34 AM
Identifying as dead is not a choice I willingly care to support for myself or my loved ones.
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 11:27:23 AM
:yike:
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2018, 12:22:32 PM
Post by: pd on May 21, 2018, 12:24:15 PM
With hindsight we can see things that the victims apparently didn't in the stress of the critical seconds.
...............
Added opinion based on field experience: Anyone who has spent much time walking in the woods of WA has had a cougar follow him.
Yikes. It is always good to hear that, this scares the Cheerios out of me.
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2018, 12:28:20 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,13206.msg148736.html#msg148736 (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,13206.msg148736.html#msg148736)
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 12:33:01 PM
I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
It could go either way. He is/was way south of me though.
Post by: Timberstalker on May 21, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2018, 12:39:04 PM
I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
It could go either way. He is/was way south of me though.
I can imagine everyone is on edge. Every puddy cat is going to send up an alert.
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 12:41:53 PM
I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Still got it!!
Post by: cbond3318 on May 21, 2018, 12:47:20 PM
I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Still got it!!
Classic prey analyzing stance! Is the cameraman still among us to tell the story?
Post by: WSU on May 21, 2018, 12:50:33 PM
Post by: Harbor_hunter on May 21, 2018, 12:59:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 01:06:06 PM
I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Still got it!!
Classic prey analyzing stance! Is the cameraman still among us to tell the story?
I bet that picture is pushing 10 years old. He's not around anymore. I'll see if I can find the thread. It's vintage HuntWA at it's finest.
Post by: Woodchuck on May 21, 2018, 01:12:42 PM
I believe we determined the thread was lost in a crash some years back. It was epic to say the least.I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Still got it!!
Classic prey analyzing stance! Is the cameraman still among us to tell the story?
I bet that picture is pushing 10 years old. He's not around anymore. I'll see if I can find the thread. It's vintage HuntWA at it's finest.
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 01:13:14 PM
I believe we determined the thread was lost in a crash some years back. It was epic to say the least.I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Still got it!!
Classic prey analyzing stance! Is the cameraman still among us to tell the story?
I bet that picture is pushing 10 years old. He's not around anymore. I'll see if I can find the thread. It's vintage HuntWA at it's finest.
Yup... I just found a thread post indicating that. Too bad really.
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2018, 01:23:22 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 21, 2018, 01:30:19 PM
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/cougar-in-deadly-attack-near-north-bend-sent-to-wsu-lab/281-556430828
Brooks Fahy, director of Predator Defense, a wildlife conservation organization, believes humans hunting cougars is partly to blame.
“When human beings get involved in it, such as killing predators, it backfires,” he said. “What we’ve learned is with wolves, cougars, and coyotes is actually killing them has the opposite effect, it throws them in what scientists refer to as social chaos.”
Fahy said that skews the population of cougars to be younger.
“Stereotypically, these are the animals that tend to let themselves be seen, and in quite a few of the attacks that have happened, it’s been younger animals,” he said.
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 01:36:41 PM
Get a load of this rubbish
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/cougar-in-deadly-attack-near-north-bend-sent-to-wsu-lab/281-556430828
Brooks Fahy, director of Predator Defense, a wildlife conservation organization, believes humans hunting cougars is partly to blame.
“When human beings get involved in it, such as killing predators, it backfires,” he said. “What we’ve learned is with wolves, cougars, and coyotes is actually killing them has the opposite effect, it throws them in what scientists refer to as social chaos.”
Fahy said that skews the population of cougars to be younger.
“Stereotypically, these are the animals that tend to let themselves be seen, and in quite a few of the attacks that have happened, it’s been younger animals,” he said.
It all comes down to who they interview. They interviewed a guy from "Predator Defense." What did they expect? An underfed 4 year old male cat that only weighs 100 pounds. That's what we're dealing with.
Post by: boneaddict on May 21, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
Is how it should be worded
Post by: vandeman17 on May 21, 2018, 01:44:26 PM
Get a load of this rubbish
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/cougar-in-deadly-attack-near-north-bend-sent-to-wsu-lab/281-556430828
Brooks Fahy, director of Predator Defense, a wildlife conservation organization, believes humans hunting cougars is partly to blame.
“When human beings get involved in it, such as killing predators, it backfires,” he said. “What we’ve learned is with wolves, cougars, and coyotes is actually killing them has the opposite effect, it throws them in what scientists refer to as social chaos.”
Fahy said that skews the population of cougars to be younger.
“Stereotypically, these are the animals that tend to let themselves be seen, and in quite a few of the attacks that have happened, it’s been younger animals,” he said.
It all comes down to who they interview. They interviewed a guy from "Predator Defense." What did they expect? An underfed 4 year old male cat that only weighs 100 pounds. That's what we're dealing with.
Agreed. A liberal newspaper will generally interview a certain demographic and thus pass along the same false information to their already uneducated readers
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Quote
Retired WDFW biologist Gary Koehler agrees with those social dynamics, but thinks social chaos is not necessarily related to recreational hunting. He said cougars are territorial and often regulate their own population with some male cougars killing other male cougars.
Koehler believes it’s more likely the cat near North Bend was attracted to the fast movement of the two bicyclists, but he admits we may never know.
“It’ll probably remain a mystery,” said Koehler.
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2018, 02:08:46 PM
I hope it wasn’t Dmans Bobcat
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180521/e07509704652b0bf58e32a0894cd5117.jpg)
Post by: mulehunter on May 21, 2018, 03:19:50 PM
Several ranchers and Officers had asked me if I still have 7 hounds. I told them I sold everything because Liberals/Inslee are stupid!
Post by: Rainier10 on May 21, 2018, 03:36:50 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 21, 2018, 04:00:33 PM
That ship has sailed.
Post by: jasnt on May 21, 2018, 04:08:20 PM
"Good reporting . . . .":yeah:
That ship has sailed.
Post by: teanawayslayer on May 21, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
My daughter good friend live west side of 169 in Maple Valley. Two horses got attacked by Cougar and killed mature Horse and injured other last week. Owner and houndman is out there right now w the issued a Permit to remove problem cougar. Obviously way too many Cougars around in city zone.well maybe the libs will start listening now someone was killed and harmed.
Several ranchers and Officers had asked me if I still have 7 hounds. I told them I sold everything because Liberals/Inslee are stupid!
Post by: idaho guy on May 21, 2018, 05:32:41 PM
People in west has NO education period!
Each Cougar has their own territory. They push another cougar out of their territory caused more trouble cougars. Also after Liberalism west people start to control WDFW and banned Hound in March 2011. From 1950's thur March 2011 in Washington We all used to chase Coons/Bears/ Cougars and sometime during coon season hounds normal picked up scent of Cougars in wood by pursuit. It does helps to keep Cougars stay away from Human. After March 2011 to now. Lots Coon houndman quit chase and more and more cougars take over their own territory. That's what's happen to 2 guys in WESTSIDE because Idiot people don't know any *censored* about all Predators that's why it's happening now.
Key: vote Inslee out of office ASAP!
Again, I blame Liberals/HSHS for Voting ban hounds in March 2011. Liberalism/Westside need to pull there head out of there A$$ and think about bringing hounds back to start pursuit Cougars.
It's about Liberal, although the westside is, and more about being
Ignorance about the subject and believing HSUS propaganda because it "seems reasonable"... Pure ignorance. HSUS is responsible for the DEATH.
[/quote
Yep! there’s your answer I agree mulehunter. It’s so obvious it hurts but some people want to read and believe bs by self professed “experts “ touted by liberal media. Its been pretty common for us to have treed lions while chasing bears and they were obviously left unharmed but even that teaches the cougars a little respect for man. This is just a bad situation and I feel for those impacted but At some point these groups need to be held accountable for the damage they have done to our national forests and other public lands and wildlife.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 21, 2018, 06:16:55 PM
Thoughts?
Post by: westside Elkhunter on May 21, 2018, 06:24:49 PM
There is an opportunity here to speak with one voice. When there is a worth story, those effected scream out. I'd like to call out the WSU predator lover/human blamer and blow up someones inbox....Sounds good. I was just reading thru one of the articles on king5. For the the ones that know and have run cougars. Do cougars in way self regulate themselves?
Thoughts?
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Post by: mulehunter on May 21, 2018, 06:25:04 PM
People in west has NO education period!:tup:
Each Cougar has their own territory. They push another cougar out of their territory caused more trouble cougars. Also after Liberalism west people start to control WDFW and banned Hound in March 2011. From 1950's thur March 2011 in Washington We all used to chase Coons/Bears/ Cougars and sometime during coon season hounds normal picked up scent of Cougars in wood by pursuit. It does helps to keep Cougars stay away from Human. After March 2011 to now. Lots Coon houndman quit chase and more and more cougars take over their own territory. That's what's happen to 2 guys in WESTSIDE because Idiot people don't know any *censored* about all Predators that's why it's happening now.
Key: vote Inslee out of office ASAP!
Again, I blame Liberals/HSHS for Voting ban hounds in March 2011. Liberalism/Westside need to pull there head out of there A$$ and think about bringing hounds back to start pursuit Cougars.
It's about Liberal, although the westside is, and more about being
Ignorance about the subject and believing HSUS propaganda because it "seems reasonable"... Pure ignorance. HSUS is responsible for the DEATH.
[/quote
Yep! there’s your answer I agree mulehunter. It’s so obvious it hurts but some people want to read and believe bs by self professed “experts “ touted by liberal media. Its been pretty common for us to have treed lions while chasing bears and they were obviously left unharmed but even that teaches the cougars a little respect for man. This is just a bad situation and I feel for those impacted but At some point these groups need to be held accountable for the damage they have done to our national forests and other public lands and wildlife.
Post by: mulehunter on May 21, 2018, 06:44:01 PM
My daughter good friend live west side of 169 in Maple Valley. Two horses got attacked by Cougar and killed mature Horse and injured other last week. Owner and houndman is out there right now w the issued a Permit to remove problem cougar. Obviously way too many Cougars around in city zone.well maybe the libs will start listening now someone was killed and harmed.
Several ranchers and Officers had asked me if I still have 7 hounds. I told them I sold everything because Liberals/Inslee are stupid!
Yup Guess what, Owner and houndman was out searching and his wife, daughter, and their small puppy was walking thur back of property on 10 Ac and pup was acting fear alert and woman has handgun she look around and saw Cougar up on a tree branch 20 feet away stare at her prepared to jump on her and she pull handgun aim at 130lbs growling at her she shot it down 3:45pm. She Called her hubby and houndman. They came and get it then GW came pick it up. Way to go Lady. 💪🏻👱🏻♀️ :IBCOOL:
It was 20 feet above her. If Pup wasn't with... She would have walk by it w out know a Cougar UP on tree watching and being prepare to jump on her. Amazing how quick she is and with her daughter age 13 being safe. Glad they are safe. 🙏🏻
Post by: idaho guy on May 21, 2018, 07:08:42 PM
There is an opportunity here to speak with one voice. When there is a worth story, those effected scream out. I'd like to call out the WSU predator lover/human blamer and blow up someones inbox....
Thoughts?
Good idea I will play can you post the contact info of who needs to hear from us? If not I get that. I don’t even live in the state I just can’t stand mismanagement of our wildlife and natural resources anywhere. Maybe even a new thread if this gets some momentum?
Post by: MonstroMuley on May 21, 2018, 10:33:26 PM
Or carry both.
Spray would be nice if the cat is latched on to your buddy and you can't safely shoot it, spray the whole pile up, then transition to weapon when the cat lets go and you get a clear shot :tup:
:yeah:
Post by: KFhunter on May 21, 2018, 10:44:50 PM
Snoqualmie Valley Historical Museum
2 hrs ·
In light of recent events this weekend. Here is the summary of the other known probable cougar death in the Valley:
Valley Record, January 15, 1924
Partial remains of missing Snoqualmie resident Henry Grau are discovered. Grau had been missing for several weeks after not returning from a visit to his claim. Part of his clothes, his false teeth, his shoes with feet, wallet and a receipt from the Reinig Store were found. It is thought that a cougar has eaten the rest of him. The remains were found 2.5 miles from Camp B by two Timber Cruisers.
Post by: buglebrush on May 22, 2018, 12:18:50 AM
2 lions for 39 sq mi? What a joke. I have 21 acres and get at least 5 or 6 different cats on my property every year, not counting cubs. And tracks and tcam evidence on public land.... wdfw cant be that stupid, theyre just flat out lying through their teeth.
Exactly. I've said it before, but a huge problem is the WDFW's Bios pandering to save their job rather than growing a set and telling the truth about predators.
Post by: ribka on May 22, 2018, 05:12:19 AM
https://www.conservationnw.org/of-cougars-science-and-public-trust/
Crickets
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 22, 2018, 05:20:13 AM
Post by: fly-by on May 22, 2018, 05:35:18 AM
2 lions for 39 sq mi? What a joke. I have 21 acres and get at least 5 or 6 different cats on my property every year, not counting cubs. And tracks and tcam evidence on public land.... wdfw cant be that stupid, theyre just flat out lying through their teeth.
Exactly. I've said it before, but a huge problem is the WDFW's Bios pandering to save their job rather than growing a set and telling the truth about predators.
They must be including areas with no cats to get the number down. The west side foothills have many times that density.
Post by: boneaddict on May 22, 2018, 06:17:55 AM
There is an opportunity here to speak with one voice. When there is a worth story, those effected scream out. I'd like to call out the WSU predator lover/human blamer and blow up someones inbox....Sounds good. I was just reading thru one of the articles on king5. For the the ones that know and have run cougars. Do cougars in way self regulate themselves?
Thoughts?
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Yes but its probably more of a contributing factor. A big cat will force a young male into new territory. As the population explodes mostly due to the modification of harvest there are few places for these animals to go. They will likely be pushed into civilization where a normal hunted cat would try to avoid. Throw in that these young cats are going to eat what they can. And whalaaaa.
Post by: Luna butte on May 22, 2018, 07:31:59 AM
I've been convinced for years that like Will Rogers said "mankind as a whole, is a damned mess"
Post by: mulehunter on May 22, 2018, 08:07:12 AM
Exactly. That's what we need education to all Westside people. They don't want believe the truth. HUSU is responsible for death because they write all Lies to make Inslee to believe them instead us. 🤦🏼♂️There is an opportunity here to speak with one voice. When there is a worth story, those effected scream out. I'd like to call out the WSU predator lover/human blamer and blow up someones inbox....Sounds good. I was just reading thru one of the articles on king5. For the the ones that know and have run cougars. Do cougars in way self regulate themselves?
Thoughts?
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
Yes but its probably more of a contributing factor. A big cat will force a young male into new territory. As the population explodes mostly due to the modification of harvest there are few places for these animals to go. They will likely be pushed into civilization where a normal hunted cat would try to avoid. Throw in that these young cats are going to eat what they can. And whalaaaa.
Post by: bobcat on May 22, 2018, 08:08:43 AM
Quote
The body of the deceased, a 32-year-old identified as Sonja “SJ” Brooks was found with the cougar. The New York Times, which was the first to name the victims, initially reported Brooks as a woman which was repeated here but was erroneous.
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/north-bend-cougar-attack-victims-named/
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 22, 2018, 08:21:45 AM
yep, it’s a goner. Dman brought more humor to this place, mostly inadvertent and at his own cost, but he was a good sport. The bobcat, 500 pound blacktails and seems like there was a giant trout too. :chuckle: I think there was talk of being a spy too. :chuckle:Don't forget the huge old regressor spike whitetail
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 22, 2018, 08:40:00 AM
1. Targeted outreach to the three groups most likely to be attacked: trail runners, mountain bikers, and children. Bike and running stores should have brochures and sell pepper spray.
2. Cats are instinctual hunters, much harder to aversively condition than cognitive hunters (canids and bears). Cats instinctively avoid canids for two reasons, wolf packs kill cougars on the ground, and where cats can tree they appropriate their kills and cats go underfed/starve. Year-round hound seasons will go a long way toward a better distribution of humans and cougars. If people got used to calling houndsmen when a cat is seen in/near human habitation, it would greatly reduce interactions, and especially with the naïve, non-outdoorsy types.
3. Year round, no quota harvest on private lands. This will redistribute the majority of cats to National Forest land, where year round, quota-limited harvest can be used to manage sustainable cougar populations.
These are solutions that I think would pass muster with the general population of Washington state.
Post by: Westside88 on May 22, 2018, 08:41:38 AM
So was the victim a man or woman? Who knows. From the Northwest Sportsman's Magazine:QuoteThe body of the deceased, a 32-year-old identified as Sonja “SJ” Brooks was found with the cougar. The New York Times, which was the first to name the victims, initially reported Brooks as a woman which was repeated here but was erroneous.
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/north-bend-cougar-attack-victims-named/
Not sure if it was in this thread or another article, but I read somewhere the person killed was transgender or non bianary. I believe that was the term used. That may be contributing to the confusion.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 22, 2018, 08:46:45 AM
What I was thinking too. Using the entire area of the state like cities and islands.2 lions for 39 sq mi? What a joke. I have 21 acres and get at least 5 or 6 different cats on my property every year, not counting cubs. And tracks and tcam evidence on public land.... wdfw cant be that stupid, theyre just flat out lying through their teeth.
Exactly. I've said it before, but a huge problem is the WDFW's Bios pandering to save their job rather than growing a set and telling the truth about predators.
They must be including areas with no cats to get the number down. The west side foothills have many times that density.
Post by: pashok23 on May 22, 2018, 08:47:39 AM
So was the victim a man or woman? Who knows. From the Northwest Sportsman's Magazine:QuoteThe body of the deceased, a 32-year-old identified as Sonja “SJ” Brooks was found with the cougar. The New York Times, which was the first to name the victims, initially reported Brooks as a woman which was repeated here but was erroneous.
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/north-bend-cougar-attack-victims-named/
Post by: Yakirack on May 22, 2018, 08:53:31 AM
http://wdfw.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=76e2e8d32ebe4f2d8f68ddd88c88e4ce
Post by: Threewolves on May 22, 2018, 11:26:04 AM
Then I saw a news report where that was said. Well, then what went wrong? I am going on the initial story.
At first they were good, united and stood their ground, the cat backed off.
Then the cat attacked person #1. For some reason person #2 took off running (leaving person #1 behind).
The cat took off after person #2 catches and attacks person #2.
Person#1 then jumps on a bike and takes off (leaving person #2 behind). How is that doing everything right?
Yes, I know I was not there, I am a Monday morning quarterback, I am yelling from the cheap seat and there is always more to the story.
I am judging the incident. But, don't run, fight back. (I am with Jstone, K-F hunter, RT spring, bone addict, & To many and anybody else who thinks they should have Stood their ground and fought the cat off)
My opinion based on my experience.
Post by: fish vacuum on May 22, 2018, 12:18:58 PM
When I first read about this it was said that "they did everything right".
Then I saw a news report where that was said. Well, then what went wrong? I am going on the initial story.
At first they were good, united and stood their ground, the cat backed off.
Then the cat attacked person #1. For some reason person #2 took off running (leaving person #1 behind).
The cat took off after person #2 catches and attacks person #2.
Person#1 then jumps on a bike and takes off (leaving person #2 behind). How is that doing everything right?
Yes, I know I was not there, I am a Monday morning quarterback, I am yelling from the cheap seat and there is always more to the story.
I am judging the incident. But, don't run, fight back. (I am with Jstone, K-F hunter, RT spring, bone addict, & To many and anybody else who thinks they should have Stood their ground and fought the cat off)
My opinion based on my experience.
It obviously didn't turn out well. But after person 2 ran off with the cougar in chase, it's entirely possible that person 1 didn't know where they went. I think it's fair to assume that person 1 may have been disoriented after having their head in a cougar's mouth.
Think about it like this. You get attacked and struggle with a cat that's biting your head. You hear footsteps in the gravel and the cougar releases you. Once you wipe the blood outta your eyes, your friend and the cat are gone.
Post by: harveymarv on May 22, 2018, 01:00:54 PM
Post by: 2MANY on May 22, 2018, 01:05:15 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on May 22, 2018, 01:25:22 PM
Never let a cougar drug you.
Words to live by
Post by: Curly on May 22, 2018, 01:46:12 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 22, 2018, 02:10:01 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on May 22, 2018, 02:14:34 PM
Never let a cougar drug you.
Words to live by
Definitely can lead to “Coyote Ugly.”
Post by: Southpole on May 22, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
Every time I read that guy #1's head was in the cougar's mouth, I think to myself that he should have had a helmet on. Is that bad?I'm kinda surprised they didn't.
Post by: KFhunter on May 22, 2018, 03:41:09 PM
So was the victim a man or woman? Who knows. From the Northwest Sportsman's Magazine:QuoteThe body of the deceased, a 32-year-old identified as Sonja “SJ” Brooks was found with the cougar. The New York Times, which was the first to name the victims, initially reported Brooks as a woman which was repeated here but was erroneous.
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/north-bend-cougar-attack-victims-named/
Now that she's dead she no longer identifies as a woman but a corpse, so now it's a male body laying on the slab at the morgue.
Post by: Bob33 on May 22, 2018, 04:25:13 PM
Every time I read that guy #1's head was in the cougar's mouth, I think to myself that he should have had a helmet on. Is that bad?I've mountain biked on back roads without a helmet more than once. I don't think it's that unusual.
Post by: HighlandLofts on May 22, 2018, 04:48:12 PM
You are talking two guys 30 miles east of Seattle. Most likely from Seattle and if they are most likely anti-gun liberals.A cougar attack I can see, but for it to chase down and kill the second person has to be very rare...
He ran and became prey. Natural fight or flight response on the part of the cougar. Hard to believe two adults in North Bend were both unarmed.
Who in there right mind would enter a wilderness area unarmed.
Wildlife doesn't scare me, it's running into a meth cooking operation that I worry about.
Having a gun in the mountains is just like having a spare tire for your car or truck. You carry it just in case you need it. In this case they needed a gun, but none was available at the time of need.
I went shooting last Wednesday North of Carrington with my 6 year old grandson, about six miles in OFF of 530 we seen a half grown cougar crossing the road.
Post by: Bob33 on May 22, 2018, 06:20:25 PM
I guess the best we can do is to say that it got bit.So was the victim a man or woman? Who knows. From the Northwest Sportsman's Magazine:QuoteThe body of the deceased, a 32-year-old identified as Sonja “SJ” Brooks was found with the cougar. The New York Times, which was the first to name the victims, initially reported Brooks as a woman which was repeated here but was erroneous.
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/north-bend-cougar-attack-victims-named/
Now that she's dead she no longer identifies as a woman but a corpse, so now it's a male body laying on the slab at the morgue.
Post by: fish vacuum on May 22, 2018, 06:49:08 PM
Every time I read that guy #1's head was in the cougar's mouth, I think to myself that he should have had a helmet on. Is that bad?Are you making a joke about this attack?
Post by: huntnfmly on May 22, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Post by: haugenna on May 22, 2018, 07:29:00 PM
Every time I read that guy #1's head was in the cougar's mouth, I think to myself that he should have had a helmet on. Is that bad?Are you making a joke about this attack?
I don't take it that way. I take it as riding a bike, one should be wearing a helmet.
Post by: Threewolves on May 22, 2018, 09:01:05 PM
news report said #1 cyclist saw cat dragging buddy (#2 cyclist) into the woods as he was riding away...
The attack in CA the cougar was trying to drag the girl off and the other cyclist was holding on to her playing tug of war, he did not leave.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on May 22, 2018, 10:26:11 PM
When I first read about this it was said that "they did everything right".
Then I saw a news report where that was said. Well, then what went wrong? I am going on the initial story.
At first they were good, united and stood their ground, the cat backed off.
Then the cat attacked person #1. For some reason person #2 took off running (leaving person #1 behind).
The cat took off after person #2 catches and attacks person #2.
Person#1 then jumps on a bike and takes off (leaving person #2 behind). How is that doing everything right?
Yes, I know I was not there, I am a Monday morning quarterback, I am yelling from the cheap seat and there is always more to the story.
I am judging the incident. But, don't run, fight back. (I am with Jstone, K-F hunter, RT spring, bone addict, & To many and anybody else who thinks they should have Stood their ground and fought the cat off)
My opinion based on my experience.
It obviously didn't turn out well. But after person 2 ran off with the cougar in chase, it's entirely possible that person 1 didn't know where they went. I think it's fair to assume that person 1 may have been disoriented after having their head in a cougar's mouth.
Think about it like this. You get attacked and struggle with a cat that's biting your head. You hear footsteps in the gravel and the cougar releases you. Once you wipe the blood outta your eyes, your friend and the cat are gone.
Very Possible. :twocents:
Post by: Romulus1297 on May 22, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Every time I read that guy #1's head was in the cougar's mouth, I think to myself that he should have had a helmet on. Is that bad?My wife even thought this was funny.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 23, 2018, 05:04:51 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on May 23, 2018, 05:07:16 AM
Am I missing something but were they both men or was the one unfortunate one that got killed a woman. Keep hearing person 1 & 2It was a they.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 23, 2018, 05:10:59 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on May 23, 2018, 05:14:00 AM
The whole Seattle politically correct krap is for the birds. Its a he or a she. You have a tally wacker or you don't
well technically...........it is possible to have both. :chuckle:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 23, 2018, 05:17:57 AM
Post by: cavemann on May 23, 2018, 08:51:33 AM
Post by: Katmai Guy on May 23, 2018, 09:37:42 AM
I've been hesitant to post... This thread has gone down hill in a hurry. Opinions aside on Seattle, PC and liberals, I don't understand how you guys feel it necessary to bring that into this discussion.. Someone died and another hospitalized for serious injury. There are definitely plenty of things to discuss regarding what could have been done different and the issue of Cougar populations, etc.. But come one guys, someone died in this scenario and families are planning funerals. It takes a special kind of a**h*** to post some of the stuff you guys are putting out there.
Nothing needs to be done because somebody died! It is the woods not the sidewalk in downtown seattle. People make choices to do things and should accept the consequences if they are not prepared. I get wanting to control the predator population so there can be optimal deer and elk hunting for people that want that but trying to make it safer to be in the woods? give me a break. Yes, some of the comments could be another thread but people had questions and it's easier to ask here than start another thread. JMO
Post by: 7mmfan on May 23, 2018, 10:08:10 AM
I've been hesitant to post... This thread has gone down hill in a hurry. Opinions aside on Seattle, PC and liberals, I don't understand how you guys feel it necessary to bring that into this discussion.. Someone died and another hospitalized for serious injury. There are definitely plenty of things to discuss regarding what could have been done different and the issue of Cougar populations, etc.. But come one guys, someone died in this scenario and families are planning funerals. It takes a special kind of a**h*** to post some of the stuff you guys are putting out there.
Nothing needs to be done because somebody died! It is the woods not the sidewalk in downtown seattle. People make choices to do things and should accept the consequences if they are not prepared. I get wanting to control the predator population so there can be optimal deer and elk hunting for people that want that but trying to make it safer to be in the woods? give me a break. Yes, some of the comments could be another thread but people had questions and it's easier to ask here than start another thread. JMO
I think the point is, who cares if it was a man, woman, or they? Why does it matter other than to make childish comments? I have to agree.
Post by: bobcat on May 23, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on May 23, 2018, 10:20:41 AM
Post by: Cougartail on May 23, 2018, 10:41:23 AM
You reap what you sow.
Post by: KFhunter on May 23, 2018, 10:47:06 AM
Truth is these two people took turns abandoning one another in a me first attitude, the cat had its pick that day. As far as their sexual perversion goes I care nothing about that, only that they lacked the attitude and skills to survive in the woods. I'm sick of the media saying the cat was "very unusual" or "acted strangely" they're essentially telling the world that all the other cats out there would NEVER do this!
Ya, BS
Post by: Cougartail on May 23, 2018, 10:54:01 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 23, 2018, 10:59:01 AM
I think it's relevant in that had there been an alpha present (regardless of gender or sexual nature) this would have had a different outcome.
Truth is these two people took turns abandoning one another in a me first attitude, the cat had its pick that day. As far as their sexual perversion goes I care nothing about that, only that they lacked the attitude and skills to survive in the woods. I'm sick of the media saying the cat was "very unusual" or "acted strangely" they're essentially telling the world that all the other cats out there would NEVER do this!
Ya, BS
Post by: KFhunter on May 23, 2018, 11:08:25 AM
It's just an ordinary cat that came by unordinary people.
Post by: 2MANY on May 23, 2018, 11:28:43 AM
Congrats to this young lady!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Threewolves on May 23, 2018, 12:18:22 PM
Hey, I was not using person #1 and person #2 to be politically correct. Far from it. It was just to clarify each persons actions during the event. I did not know their names. I was thinking AAR (After Action Review) format: what went right, what went wrong, and what could be done better next time.
If it was a criminal investigation I would have used Subject #1 (name, if known) and Subject #2 (name, if known). Just the way I was raised, just the facts.
Post by: boneaddict on May 23, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
I think it's relevant in that had there been an alpha present (regardless of gender or sexual nature) this would have had a different outcome.Indeed! And where I would normally say one of them should have grown a pair, it becomes oddly ironic.
Truth is these two people took turns abandoning one another in a me first attitude, the cat had its pick that day. As far as their sexual perversion goes I care nothing about that, only that they lacked the attitude and skills to survive in the woods. I'm sick of the media saying the cat was "very unusual" or "acted strangely" they're essentially telling the world that all the other cats out there would NEVER do this!
Ya, BS
and the whole, they did everything right.....um no maybe in whatever alternate universe or collective these liberal minds are gathered. :rolleyes:
Post by: eastsidemallard74 on May 23, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
Post by: Alchase on May 23, 2018, 12:46:57 PM
Two grown "men" with bikes, should have been able to fend off that cat.
Post by: 2MANY on May 23, 2018, 12:49:02 PM
Bottom line...................................
This cats daddy should have been trailed by hounds, ran up a tree, and killed years ago but the previous generation of liberal thinking outlawed that behavior.
It makes perfect sense the same clan would blame the cat's way of thinking for this tragedy.
Post by: Timberstalker on May 23, 2018, 02:16:27 PM
Article with information on the 911 calls.
Post by: Angry Perch on May 23, 2018, 04:08:26 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on May 23, 2018, 04:12:48 PM
There are many facets to this story, not the least of which is the political motivations that may have contributed to this cat being in a situation in which it was emboldened to attack.
At best, most of what people are calling bigoted or insensitive is merely in poor taste or poor timing given the recency of the tragedy. But that could be said regardless of whether the person was a male, female, other or identified the same or as another animal, vegetable, or mineral. You get no special dispensation for being a special snowflake over any other animal attack victim.
I find it curious that supposed news organizations are trusted to deliver details, but they hide the ball about some of the most pertinent facts of the tragedy.
There are bigoted and hateful comments out there on the internet directed to this person's peculiar proclivities. I have not seen it here.
Post by: Windwalker on May 23, 2018, 05:56:22 PM
A person is dead. It is natural to inquire as to the causes and specifics, and even speculate as to potential preventative measures, especially for an event in which people have particular useful experiences and interests.
There are many facets to this story, not the least of which is the political motivations that may have contributed to this cat being in a situation in which it was emboldened to attack.
At best, most of what people are calling bigoted or insensitive is merely in poor taste or poor timing given the recency of the tragedy. But that could be said regardless of whether the person was a male, female, other or identified the same or as another animal, vegetable, or mineral. You get no special dispensation for being a special snowflake over any other animal attack victim.
I find it curious that supposed news organizations are trusted to deliver details, but they hide the ball about some of the most pertinent facts of the tragedy.
There are bigoted and hateful comments out there on the internet directed to this person's peculiar proclivities. I have not seen it here.
:yeah:
Post by: Woodhunter on May 23, 2018, 08:00:09 PM
If you are in the woods around here, just know what you are doing.
Heck, they have been seen inside the Port Angeles city limits! A creek runs about 100 feet behind our barn and I have seen cougars down in the creek bottom on the deer trails. Our livestock dogs really sound off when one is around.
I think allowing people that are not aware of cougars to be in an area is not right. At least post the train heads with warning signs in cougar populated areas! From the postings, it seems to me that the area the person was killed in is a cougar hotbed.
I have been stalked before, finding cougar tracks in my bootprints in the snow when I backtracked out of a canyon after sizing up elk herds for horns. Gave me a strange feeling, especially the one time when I had to use a flashlight when heading back to the truck!!
Post by: PA BEN on May 29, 2018, 06:39:25 AM
Post by: Bob33 on May 29, 2018, 07:30:45 AM
I lived/worked in Port Angeles from 05 to 13, I lived out on West 12th street out by the end of the world. We had a lot of cougar seen around there. Some nice town BT bucks too.Do you remember this story?
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960527&slug=2331443
Post by: LongBomb on May 29, 2018, 07:37:13 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 29, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
I lived/worked in Port Angeles from 05 to 13, I lived out on West 12th street out by the end of the world. We had a lot of cougar seen around there. Some nice town BT bucks too.Do you remember this story?
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960527&slug=2331443
Great story, fight back, the difference between surviving and being eaten!
Post by: sjackson1189 on June 06, 2018, 11:25:45 PM
Ive read mixed reports about where it actually happened. Some state the police had to go through a locked gate to get to the body where as the times say it was closer to the start of the forest road near Ernie's Grove.
Post by: Katmai Guy on June 07, 2018, 07:11:22 AM
Post by: Doublelunger on June 07, 2018, 07:34:38 AM
I lived/worked in Port Angeles from 05 to 13, I lived out on West 12th street out by the end of the world. We had a lot of cougar seen around there. Some nice town BT bucks too.Do you remember this story?
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960527&slug=2331443
Awesome!
Post by: jackelope on June 07, 2018, 07:42:05 AM
Has it been confirmed whether the attack occurred on the Campbell global tree farm or on the public Forest road nfs-5700?
Ive read mixed reports about where it actually happened. Some state the police had to go through a locked gate to get to the body where as the times say it was closer to the start of the forest road near Ernie's Grove.
Post by: bugs n bones on June 07, 2018, 07:50:15 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on June 10, 2018, 09:51:59 AM
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2018, 12:35:13 PM
Post by: runamuk on June 10, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
I can't even imagine the power a big cat would have. My wifes cat got mad at me awhile back and grabbed my arm and layed into me pretty good. I was shocked with the power that little SOB had. I'm 240 lbs and don't think I would stand a chance against a decent sized cat without some luck on my side. I really hope we can do some special permit hound hunting or something in the near future.My favorite cat sent me to the er and I have nerve damage even now long after he passed away.
Leopards are extremely efficient killers and known to prey on humans. Cougars not so much in an ideal world. The world is no longer ideal too many cats, wolves, bears and humans trying to use the same environment.
Post by: MonstroMuley on June 11, 2018, 02:56:38 PM
It is said that a leopard attacks at a speed of 60 stitches a second. I would assume cougar are similar.
:yeah: "60 stitches per second" ... sounds about right ...
Post by: Katmai Guy on June 12, 2018, 12:35:12 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 12, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 12, 2018, 03:56:52 PM
The information I heard was that it's wasn't very emaciated. It had a fairly good layer of fat.:yeah:
I heard the word "healthy" was used to describe it's condition. A 100-ish pound young male.
Post by: Birdguy on June 12, 2018, 05:38:22 PM
I lived/worked in Port Angeles from 05 to 13, I lived out on West 12th street out by the end of the world. We had a lot of cougar seen around there. Some nice town BT bucks too.Do you remember this story?
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960527&slug=2331443
I remember that very well. My brother and a buddy and I were up at Lake Angeles for a few days of hiking and fishing. We came out of the woods to a Channel 5 news crew and cameras and mics in our faces asking about cougars. We were young and far more worried about our hair and Mom seeing us on TV in a cougar story, then actually seeing a cat. Crazy story for sure.
Post by: dreamunelk on June 12, 2018, 06:44:53 PM
Without having to read thru 19 pages, did anybody hear why the cat was so emaciated?(wounded, sick, no teeth, anything definite)?
Bad Hunter! Many cats don't make it after they leave mom because of this. It is a tough road for Cat to become and adult.
Post by: Katmai Guy on June 13, 2018, 05:14:58 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on June 15, 2018, 03:45:53 PM
Post by: gaddy on June 15, 2018, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on June 18, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
No, got a link to the story ?Its on his Facebook page. Big male cat that was starving. Its a cool story and a good one to read as a warning... He even puts in his :twocents: about why the cat is starving.. and guess what he blames. WOLVES!
Post by: KFhunter on June 19, 2018, 05:37:06 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on June 20, 2018, 02:26:36 PM
easy to figure when predators are competing for dwindling food supply, they move to pets then people.Or a combo of pets AND people.... whichever item places itself in the situation that a predator feels it can take advantage of for a meal. We should drop a bunch of these cats into seattle and Olympia and see how quick people want hound hunting back lol!
Post by: STRINGSHOOTER on June 20, 2018, 03:31:55 PM
Here is a video of Survival Science that was on before recreating a cougar attack on a bicyclist. Very interesting
Post by: jackelope on July 16, 2018, 05:24:51 PM
Quote
WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
July 16, 2018
Contact: Dr. Kristin Mansfield, WDFW, 509-892-1001, ext. 326
Charlie Powell, WSU, 509-335-7073
Exam of cougar linked to bicyclist's death shows no abnormalities
OLYMPIA – A report by Washington State University (WSU) about the examination of the carcass of the cougar believed to be involved in the death of a bicyclist this spring near North Bend revealed no abnormalities that might have contributed to the animal's unusual behavior, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) said today.
The report by the Washington Animal Disease Diagnostic Laboratory at WSU in Pullman was released today in response to public disclosure requests. The report is available on WDFW's website at https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/attach/jul1618a.pdf.
Dr. Kristin Mansfield, WDFW wildlife veterinarian, said the examination produced no significant findings to indicate why the cougar attacked the bicyclist and a companion on May 19.
She said wildlife managers are "highly confident" that the cougar was involved in the incident, because it was found so close to the attack site and because of the relatively low density of cougars in Washington. However, WDFW is awaiting the results of DNA analysis to confirm that conclusion. Those results are expected within the next month, she said.
Mansfield said the cougar was estimated to be about 3 years old. The animal was lean, but its weight and body condition fall within a normal range for a cougar of its age. She said the examination found no indication of rabies or other diseases that would pose a risk to humans.
Post by: Hilltop123 on July 16, 2018, 05:47:12 PM
QuoteWDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
July 16, 2018
Contact: Dr. Kristin Mansfield, WDFW, 509-892-1001, ext. 326
Charlie Powell, WSU, 509-335-7073
Exam of cougar linked to bicyclist's death shows no abnormalities
OLYMPIA – A report by Washington State University (WSU) about the examination of the carcass of the cougar believed to be involved in the death of a bicyclist this spring near North Bend revealed no abnormalities that might have contributed to the animal's unusual behavior, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) said today.
The report by the Washington Animal Disease Diagnostic Laboratory at WSU in Pullman was released today in response to public disclosure requests. The report is available on WDFW's website at https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/attach/jul1618a.pdf.
Dr. Kristin Mansfield, WDFW wildlife veterinarian, said the examination produced no significant findings to indicate why the cougar attacked the bicyclist and a companion on May 19.
She said wildlife managers are "highly confident" that the cougar was involved in the incident, because it was found so close to the attack site and because of the relatively low density of cougars in Washington. However, WDFW is awaiting the results of DNA analysis to confirm that conclusion. Those results are expected within the next month, she said.
Mansfield said the cougar was estimated to be about 3 years old. The animal was lean, but its weight and body condition fall within a normal range for a cougar of its age. She said the examination found no indication of rabies or other diseases that would pose a risk to humans.
"Low densities", my tookus. Playing Russian Roulette, with morons loading the revolver, then deciding which group is going to play. JMTCW
Post by: jstone on July 16, 2018, 05:48:10 PM
Post by: Bango skank on July 16, 2018, 05:50:14 PM
Low density???
Not in the ne corner, that much is certain. I cant speak for the cascades though.
Post by: jstone on July 16, 2018, 05:52:55 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 16, 2018, 07:23:23 PM
Low density???
The only things with low density in this state is deer, and WDFW brain capacity.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 16, 2018, 07:47:59 PM
Post by: bigmacc on July 16, 2018, 08:57:06 PM
Post by: Woodhunter on July 16, 2018, 10:15:12 PM
Post by: TVHunts on July 17, 2018, 03:37:50 AM
Low density? Horse feathers. The darn things are all around me, I live up Mount Pleasant road on the east side of Port Angeles. Attacks on livestock: Neighbors goats killed, horses clawed, sheep killed, a colt killed, it goes on forever. They even have been seen within the city limits. A lady shot one a few months back that was after her livestock.
They simply can’t help themselves but to twist the truth and lie can they? Why did they even address the population of cougars in the notice? They could have simply left that out but no, they have to tell all the sheep what they want them to believe.
So disgusted with those morons.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 17, 2018, 05:13:00 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on July 17, 2018, 03:34:03 PM
Post by: fly-by on July 17, 2018, 04:06:13 PM
Post by: ZagHunter on July 17, 2018, 04:29:09 PM
If you guys get a chance, listen to the meateater podcast with the houndsman from Idaho. He was working with WDFW on a collaring project and got attacked by a cat in NE corner. Pretty crazy stuff
Which episode is this?
Post by: Spuddieselwwu on July 17, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 17, 2018, 04:59:59 PM
Does anyone know if a more detailed report giving the exact location of the scene will be available at some point? I know from personal experience there are cats all throughout that property, but would still like to know the specifics.
It happened on the main line inside the tree farm.
57 - with Bart George
Was it Bart that got attacked?
Post by: vandeman17 on July 17, 2018, 07:31:59 PM
Does anyone know if a more detailed report giving the exact location of the scene will be available at some point? I know from personal experience there are cats all throughout that property, but would still like to know the specifics.
It happened on the main line inside the tree farm.57 - with Bart George
Was it Bart that got attacked?
Yep, first morning of first day of study.
Post by: KFhunter on July 17, 2018, 09:57:56 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 18, 2018, 04:41:19 PM
Yep- That was quite a deal. The podcast details the story pretty well.Does anyone know if a more detailed report giving the exact location of the scene will be available at some point? I know from personal experience there are cats all throughout that property, but would still like to know the specifics.
It happened on the main line inside the tree farm.57 - with Bart George
Was it Bart that got attacked?
Yep, first morning of first day of study.