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Title: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 08, 2018, 06:35:37 AM
When I first started selling exotic foods, his restaurant Les Halle was one of my accounts. Shortly after, he closed that restaurant as his TV career started to really take off. His expose on high end restaurant kitchens, Kitchen Confidential, made him a pariah among gourmet chefs across America and a household name among amateur gourmands, as he exposed a really dark underbelly of drugs, alcohol, and shoddy food practices by well-known restaurants. His is the latest suicide among those of quite a few top chefs over the last ten years. He personally suffered with addiction, at least during his active chef tenure. Who knows if this was a contributing factor in his death. RIP Tony. You taught us a lot.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44414747
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: h20hunter on June 08, 2018, 06:39:04 AM
I enjoyed his shows. For sure had his demons.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: jstone on June 08, 2018, 07:46:10 AM
To many people with the demons now a days. sucks
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 08, 2018, 07:56:34 AM
RIP.  My condolences.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Blacklab on June 08, 2018, 08:07:14 AM
A choice that is perment.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Hilltop123 on June 08, 2018, 09:02:43 AM
Sorry to see this, enjoyed his show. He was the only liberal I could listen to.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on June 08, 2018, 09:16:29 AM
So sad in many ways.  The young daughter he left behind that now has to grow up without a dad is extremely sad. 

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/06/08/anthony-bourdain-contemplated-suicide-but-says-daughter-gave-him-reason-to-live-in-one-his-final-interviews.html
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: ljsommer on June 08, 2018, 09:16:42 AM
To many people with the demons now a days. sucks

His demons made him into the man he was, and his unwashed, direct and darkly poetic language, either written or spoken, was a direct result of his turbulent past.
Some people succumb to their demons, other people grow from fighting them. He was the latter. Sorry to see him go.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on June 08, 2018, 09:24:45 AM
Very unfortunate. Always enjoyed watching and listening to him. Loved how he did his own thing and spoke his mind.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: NRA4LIFE on June 08, 2018, 09:51:18 AM
Sad news indeed.  I own all of his books except 1.  I believe my wife and I have watched every episode of all of his shows over the years.  RIP Tony.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: The scout on June 08, 2018, 04:14:22 PM
Man he was my favorite to watch on any food travel kind of show. Rip
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Rubenation1981 on June 08, 2018, 04:18:32 PM
Just sucks. I appreciated his abilities and willingness to put it out there. Gone too soon. I hope his finds some peace.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 08, 2018, 04:34:27 PM
Selfish, his choice. I loved his shows. RIP.........
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 08, 2018, 05:42:59 PM
He was cut from the same cloth as Hunter Thompson and Ernest Hemingway; blunt and pragmatic. Fully aware of the ugliness of the world but still loved humanity deeply.

That must take a toll on people, because they all went the same way.

Also, the clam chowder recipe from his cookbook is the absolute best clam chowder I've ever had.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: runamuk on June 08, 2018, 06:01:06 PM
He was the only reason to ever watch tv. I am kinda heartbroken. And have no reason to ever get tv now.

He made sense of a senseless world through food. 
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 08, 2018, 06:09:05 PM
He was cut from the same cloth as Hunter Thompson and Ernest Hemingway; blunt and pragmatic. Fully aware of the ugliness of the world but still loved humanity deeply.

That must take a toll on people, because they all went the same way.

Also, the clam chowder recipe from his cookbook is the absolute best clam chowder I've ever had.



Go to Wally's in Des Moines, that is the best. :tup:
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Dan-o on June 08, 2018, 06:59:44 PM
I feel terrible for his daughter.

That has to be devastating.   I'm just not sure how someone can do that to their child.    I'm not trying to be judgmental.    I've just never been at a point where I could leave my kids like that.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pd on June 08, 2018, 07:09:25 PM
P-man, you are correct, Bourdain did teach us a lot.  How many men (or women) can you name who truly have an impact on society?  Bourdain was no Churchill, but he certainly had a positive impact on us all. 

I remember being shocked by his exposé on the back of house in NY.  I have no experience in that field, and it was an eye-opener.  I respected him for his work.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: jdb on June 08, 2018, 07:56:21 PM
He always seemed like the kinda guy you could drink with, argue, go outside and duke it out, then dust off and go back in and drink with.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 08, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
He was cut from the same cloth as Hunter Thompson and Ernest Hemingway; blunt and pragmatic. Fully aware of the ugliness of the world but still loved humanity deeply.

That must take a toll on people, because they all went the same way.

Also, the clam chowder recipe from his cookbook is the absolute best clam chowder I've ever had.



Go to Wally's in Des Moines, that is the best. :tup:

Wally's is good, but clam chowder is pretty easy if you know what a good chowder is.  I usually use a recipe as a rough guide.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 08, 2018, 08:29:29 PM
He was the only reason to ever watch tv. I am kinda heartbroken. And have no reason to ever get tv now.

He made sense of a senseless world through food.
Yeah not many celebs I would care to hang out with or follow on the tube, but he was one.  Just had a certain unrefined style that didn't try to blow smoke.  I guess that's the best way to describe it.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: trophyhunt on June 08, 2018, 08:31:20 PM
Just sucks. I appreciated his abilities and willingness to put it out there. Gone too soon. I hope his finds some peace.
no peace in suicide, an unforgivable sin.  Just don’t get how people can do this to their loved ones, especially their own children. Selfish, the ultimate selfish act.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: h20hunter on June 08, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
Just rewatched the seattle episode of parts unknown. Very sad.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Rubenation1981 on June 08, 2018, 09:30:44 PM
Just sucks. I appreciated his abilities and willingness to put it out there. Gone too soon. I hope his finds some peace.
no peace in suicide, an unforgivable sin.  Just don’t get how people can do this to their loved ones, especially their own children. Selfish, the ultimate selfish act.

That's a bit brutal
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: ipkus on June 08, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
Just sucks. I appreciated his abilities and willingness to put it out there. Gone too soon. I hope his finds some peace.
no peace in suicide, an unforgivable sin.  Just don’t get how people can do this to their loved ones, especially their own children. Selfish, the ultimate selfish act.

That's a bit brutal

It may be, but it's the truth.  It's also calling it like it is, like AB probably would have done were he speaking about it.  The world lost a good one, may he find the peace he couldn't here.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: MikeWalking on June 09, 2018, 03:21:38 AM
Just sucks. I appreciated his abilities and willingness to put it out there. Gone too soon. I hope his finds some peace.
no peace in suicide, an unforgivable sin.  Just don’t get how people can do this to their loved ones, especially their own children. Selfish, the ultimate selfish act.

That shows a really disturbing level of ignorance.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 09, 2018, 06:09:29 AM
I feel terrible for his daughter.

That has to be devastating.   I'm just not sure how someone can do that to their child.    I'm not trying to be judgmental.    I've just never been at a point where I could leave my kids like that.

You're fortunate and I'm glad to hear it, Dan-O.  :tup:
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 09, 2018, 06:19:14 AM
I've dealt with suicide in my family. It's not selfish. It's total despair and not being able to get out of your own head. Personally, several years ago, I was in a dark, dark place. One month to the day after 9/11, my wife of 15 years announced out of the blue that we were done. I was completely overcome with sadness and confusion. I stayed with a friend for a month who was not compassionate and it got worse. Fortunately, I got out of that place and found a volunteer organization which hooked me up to volunteer in a state-supported nursing home. Ever since, if I feel down, I do something for others and it helps immediately. There are a lot of strong people in the world who never face this and will never understand how someone could do this. They are truly fortunate human beings. For the rest of us, finding someone to help can make a world of difference. In the meantime, if you're considering hurting yourself, call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline. 1-800-273-8255.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: trophyhunt on June 09, 2018, 06:54:54 AM
I bet his 11 year old daughter would say it was selfish, sad deal all around. I’ve had a friend recently who ate a bullet.  He left a lot of people in pain and wondering why. It is a selfish act and solves nothing while creating more pain.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 09, 2018, 07:02:24 AM
I understand that empathy is hard for some people.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on June 09, 2018, 08:17:51 AM
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness. And they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy... or they become legend."---Jim Harrison
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Blacklab on June 09, 2018, 08:48:28 AM
Just a reminder.

You can always bring light into darkness. But you can never bring darkness into light.  God speed
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 09, 2018, 09:10:10 AM
I've dealt with suicide in my family. It's not selfish. It's total despair and not being able to get out of your own head. Personally, several years ago, I was in a dark, dark place. One month to the day after 9/11, my wife of 15 years announced out of the blue that we were done. I was completely overcome with sadness and confusion. I stayed with a friend for a month who was not compassionate and it got worse. Fortunately, I got out of that place and found a volunteer organization which hooked me up to volunteer in a state-supported nursing home. Ever since, if I feel down, I do something for others and it helps immediately. There are a lot of strong people in the world who never face this and will never understand how someone could do this. They are truly fortunate human beings. For the rest of us, finding someone to help can make a world of difference. In the meantime, if you're considering hurting yourself, call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline. 1-800-273-8255.

Good post. 
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 09, 2018, 09:19:25 AM
The human mind has all kinds of safeguards in place to keep you from killing yourself. Suicide is what happens when whatever is troubling you temporarily overwhelms your mind's ability to cope. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Your body gets sick when the disease overloads your immune system's ability to fight it off. No one thinks its selfish to get sick and die. Suicide is really no different than that.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: singleshot12 on June 09, 2018, 11:29:27 AM
People that commit suicide simply have the "weak gene." and people that have the "strong gene" keep fighting till the bitter end. As the population grows expect to see the weak gene grow. Humans are a strange creature. And as with any species that over populate disease usually ends up controlling their numbers. For humans we have figured ways to combat disease. So war, genocide and suicide tend to take over. 
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Angry Perch on June 09, 2018, 09:26:57 PM
People that commit suicide simply have the "weak gene." and people that have the "strong gene" keep fighting till the bitter end. As the population grows expect to see the weak gene grow. Humans are a strange creature. And as with any species that over populate disease usually ends up controlling their numbers. For humans we have figured ways to combat disease. So war, genocide and suicide tend to take over.


Wow...
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: KFhunter on June 09, 2018, 09:40:51 PM
People that commit suicide simply have the "weak gene." and people that have the "strong gene" keep fighting till the bitter end. As the population grows expect to see the weak gene grow. Humans are a strange creature. And as with any species that over populate disease usually ends up controlling their numbers. For humans we have figured ways to combat disease. So war, genocide and suicide tend to take over.


Wow...

Insensitive comment from singleshot12, but there is kernel of truth to it.  There is a genetic link that pre-dispositions some families to be more prone to this.  I have a genetic predisposition to have high blood pressure and heart attacks so that's something I'll need to keep an eye on, other families have genetic predispositions to be obese, and other families have genetic predispositions to have high rates of cancer...and some have higher rates of suicide than other families, but I stop short of calling them "weak".
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: runamuk on June 09, 2018, 09:46:16 PM
He was the only reason to ever watch tv. I am kinda heartbroken. And have no reason to ever get tv now.

He made sense of a senseless world through food.
Yeah not many celebs I would care to hang out with or follow on the tube, but he was one.  Just had a certain unrefined style that didn't try to blow smoke.  I guess that's the best way to describe it.

Mike Rowe wrote a very moving farwell on his fb page. Mike Rowe is the only other celeb worth following. 
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: singleshot12 on June 10, 2018, 05:45:39 AM
People that commit suicide simply have the "weak gene." and people that have the "strong gene" keep fighting till the bitter end. As the population grows expect to see the weak gene grow. Humans are a strange creature. And as with any species that over populate disease usually ends up controlling their numbers. For humans we have figured ways to combat disease. So war, genocide and suicide tend to take over.


Wow...

Insensitive comment from singleshot12, but there is kernel of truth to it.  There is a genetic link that pre-dispositions some families to be more prone to this.  I have a genetic predisposition to have high blood pressure and heart attacks so that's something I'll need to keep an eye on, other families have genetic predispositions to be obese, and other families have genetic predispositions to have high rates of cancer...and some have higher rates of suicide than other families, but I stop short of calling them "weak".

Certainly wasn't meant to be insensitive. Since we were into the psychology behind suicide I was simply stating my opinion as to why.  Strong people don't give up living.




Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: MADMAX on June 10, 2018, 06:27:35 AM
I've always told my wife, if they find me dead somewhere and it looks like I committed suicide, dont believe it
somebody did me in

sad that its happening more and more to people that seemingly have a lot going for them
I hope the news lets up on it, personally my 2 cents is, I think that reporting it on TV and social media day after day, story after story has a lot to do with it happening more and more.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 10, 2018, 06:44:41 AM
 :yeah: Our obsession with celebrity does contribute. Someone struggling with life sees these people with everything they need or want committing suicide and I'm sure it feels hopeless. The constant media attention makes some feel this is normal. It isn't. Another problem is society's focus on treating problems with one solution - drugs. Although chronic depression and anxiety often should be chemically treated with drugs, we don't emphasize enough the importance of getting involved, getting out of the house, going into the woods, being active socially. Our feelings are hurt, our space is scary, no one cares about me. No one cared about my feelings 50 years ago. What did my parents do? They gave me purpose, responsibility, taught me compassion and caring for others. Sometimes, when you concentrate on others more than yourself, you don't have time to go deep into a black hole and your efforts give you comfort and purpose. This isn't being taught today. Children are being sent to safe spaces where they can stay inside their own heads and the thought that everything around them is bad is being reinforced.

I don't minimize the effects of depression and those things that cause some to hurt themselves. But the huge increase in suicide in the last 20 years shows me that societal changes have had a lot to do with how people deal with challenge and struggle. At a time when fewer people are being murdered, crime is down, wars are taking fewer lives and our way of life is very good, something has to be causing this and I think a lot of it is emphasis on self and not community.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: CaNINE on June 10, 2018, 08:33:22 AM

I was up backpacking in the Wenaha this weekend and in between rain squalls got a text from my wife informing me of the tragic news.  It hit me like a sucker punch.  I've enjoyed Anthony's work over the years and although our political views couldn't be further apart I felt a certain kinship to him.  I've prepared meals for my family using his recipes...I've watched and rewatched the Montana episode from Parts Unknown many, many times. I'm so sorry he reached a place in life that he felt suicide was the best option.  I feel for his daughter....she now has a deep wound she will never heal from.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Whitpirate on June 11, 2018, 11:20:42 AM
Bourdain's show in Montana with Harrison is one of my favorite of all time.

Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: trophyhunt on June 11, 2018, 11:34:44 AM
People that commit suicide simply have the "weak gene." and people that have the "strong gene" keep fighting till the bitter end. As the population grows expect to see the weak gene grow. Humans are a strange creature. And as with any species that over populate disease usually ends up controlling their numbers. For humans we have figured ways to combat disease. So war, genocide and suicide tend to take over.


Wow...

Insensitive comment from singleshot12, but there is kernel of truth to it.  There is a genetic link that pre-dispositions some families to be more prone to this.  I have a genetic predisposition to have high blood pressure and heart attacks so that's something I'll need to keep an eye on, other families have genetic predispositions to be obese, and other families have genetic predispositions to have high rates of cancer...and some have higher rates of suicide than other families, but I stop short of calling them "weak".

Certainly wasn't meant to be insensitive. Since we were into the psychology behind suicide I was simply stating my opinion as to why.  Strong people don't give up living.
I never took it as insensitive, it’s a good point. And it seems more and more now days, honesty or ones opinion is taken as insensitive. Suicide is a weakness, especially more for those who have everything but chose the end as an option.   
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: bobcat on June 11, 2018, 11:44:01 AM
I never heard of this guy until after he killed himself, and sorry to say I'm having trouble feeling any sympathy for a guy who hated President Trump, and said that if given the chance he would assassinate Trump by poisoning his food. Joke, or not, I don't find that funny, and from everything else I've read about him recently it's obvious he was a typical anti-American, liberal, just like pretty much everyone employed by CNN. Really surprised to see how many thought he was such a great person.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 11, 2018, 11:51:23 AM
I really enjoyed him on TV.  The biggest scare of my life was when my son (then 16) confided in a doctor that he was contemplating suicide.  We got him help and he is in a much better place, what was scary is that neither my wife or I, or his closest friends, had any idea.  I know, without any doubt, that he could have committed suicide and none of us would have been the wiser.  Shortly before he was born, a coworker's son, who to ALL appearances was doing great - funny, outgoing, good grades, popular athlete - killed himself.  It is easy to miss the signs, if there are even any.

All that said, I'm not much moved by celebrity suicides, ODs, etc.  I wish the media - and the VA -would pay as much attention to the ongoing epidemic of suicides among our veterans, to me a much larger cause for concern that does not get the attention it should.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Curly on June 11, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
I never heard of this guy until after he killed himself, and sorry to say I'm having trouble feeling any sympathy for a guy who hated President Trump, and said that if given the chance he would assassinate Trump by poisoning his food. Joke, or not, I don't find that funny, and from everything else I've read about him recently it's obvious he was a typical anti-American, liberal, just like pretty much everyone employed by CNN. Really surprised to see how many thought he was such a great person.   :dunno:

I never really knew his political leanings, but enjoyed his shows. 

BTW - there is a conspiracy theory out there that says the Clinton's had him wacked.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 11, 2018, 12:02:08 PM
I never heard of this guy until after he killed himself, and sorry to say I'm having trouble feeling any sympathy for a guy who hated President Trump, and said that if given the chance he would assassinate Trump by poisoning his food. Joke, or not, I don't find that funny, and from everything else I've read about him recently it's obvious he was a typical anti-American, liberal, just like pretty much everyone employed by CNN. Really surprised to see how many thought he was such a great person.   :dunno:

Then you clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'd suggest you refrain from exposing others to your ignorant opinion.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 11, 2018, 12:05:27 PM
I don't minimize the effects of depression and those things that cause some to hurt themselves. But the huge increase in suicide in the last 20 years shows me that societal changes have had a lot to do with how people deal with challenge and struggle. At a time when fewer people are being murdered, crime is down, wars are taking fewer lives and our way of life is very good, something has to be causing this and I think a lot of it is emphasis on self and not community.

I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, but you bring up a very interesting and valid point.

Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: packmule on June 11, 2018, 12:22:38 PM
All that said, I'm not much moved by celebrity suicides, ODs, etc.  I wish the media - and the VA -would pay as much attention to the ongoing epidemic of suicides among our veterans, to me a much larger cause for concern that does not get the attention it should.

Agreed. Also, results from a recent study show that suicide takes more teen lives now than automobile accidents....
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Angry Perch on June 11, 2018, 12:29:15 PM
People that commit suicide simply have the "weak gene." and people that have the "strong gene" keep fighting till the bitter end. As the population grows expect to see the weak gene grow. Humans are a strange creature. And as with any species that over populate disease usually ends up controlling their numbers. For humans we have figured ways to combat disease. So war, genocide and suicide tend to take over.


Wow...

Insensitive comment from singleshot12, but there is kernel of truth to it.  There is a genetic link that pre-dispositions some families to be more prone to this.  I have a genetic predisposition to have high blood pressure and heart attacks so that's something I'll need to keep an eye on, other families have genetic predispositions to be obese, and other families have genetic predispositions to have high rates of cancer...and some have higher rates of suicide than other families, but I stop short of calling them "weak".

Certainly wasn't meant to be insensitive. Since we were into the psychology behind suicide I was simply stating my opinion as to why.  Strong people don't give up living.
I never took it as insensitive, it’s a good point. And it seems more and more now days, honesty or ones opinion is taken as insensitive. Suicide is a weakness, especially more for those who have everything but chose the end as an option.
Is the guy who deals with demons for years, or even decades, and finally makes the ultimate decision to kill the pain, weaker than the guy that never felt that kind of pain in the first place? All of us have been through pain and tragedy, but none of us can know what that pain feels like for someone else.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: singleshot12 on June 11, 2018, 01:55:48 PM
People that commit suicide simply have the "weak gene." and people that have the "strong gene" keep fighting till the bitter end. As the population grows expect to see the weak gene grow. Humans are a strange creature. And as with any species that over populate disease usually ends up controlling their numbers. For humans we have figured ways to combat disease. So war, genocide and suicide tend to take over.


Wow...

Insensitive comment from singleshot12, but there is kernel of truth to it.  There is a genetic link that pre-dispositions some families to be more prone to this.  I have a genetic predisposition to have high blood pressure and heart attacks so that's something I'll need to keep an eye on, other families have genetic predispositions to be obese, and other families have genetic predispositions to have high rates of cancer...and some have higher rates of suicide than other families, but I stop short of calling them "weak".

Certainly wasn't meant to be insensitive. Since we were into the psychology behind suicide I was simply stating my opinion as to why.  Strong people don't give up living.
I never took it as insensitive, it’s a good point. And it seems more and more now days, honesty or ones opinion is taken as insensitive. Suicide is a weakness, especially more for those who have everything but chose the end as an option.
Is the guy who deals with demons for years, or even decades, and finally makes the ultimate decision to kill the pain, weaker than the guy that never felt that kind of pain in the first place? All of us have been through pain and tragedy, but none of us can know what that pain feels like for someone else.

Demons? What are demons? You are right tho every one has been through pain and tragedy, some worse than others. But regardless as to what one has been through it is a weakness to end one's life. Suicide may be the true tragedy as far as the after life is concerned.
 
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Special T on June 11, 2018, 03:24:22 PM
It is strange and seems to stretch the bounds of statistic the amount of people that have died in proximity to the Clintons and a few other people.
I never heard of this guy until after he killed himself, and sorry to say I'm having trouble feeling any sympathy for a guy who hated President Trump, and said that if given the chance he would assassinate Trump by poisoning his food. Joke, or not, I don't find that funny, and from everything else I've read about him recently it's obvious he was a typical anti-American, liberal, just like pretty much everyone employed by CNN. Really surprised to see how many thought he was such a great person.   :dunno:

I never really knew his political leanings, but enjoyed his shows. 

BTW - there is a conspiracy theory out there that says the Clinton's had him wacked.

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Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: elkaholic123 on June 11, 2018, 04:32:45 PM
I never heard of this guy until after he killed himself, and sorry to say I'm having trouble feeling any sympathy for a guy who hated President Trump, and said that if given the chance he would assassinate Trump by poisoning his food. Joke, or not, I don't find that funny, and from everything else I've read about him recently it's obvious he was a typical anti-American, liberal, just like pretty much everyone employed by CNN. Really surprised to see how many thought he was such a great person.   :dunno:
You seem to know a lot about someone you say you have never heard of?
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: bobcat on June 11, 2018, 04:34:18 PM
I never heard of this guy until after he killed himself, and sorry to say I'm having trouble feeling any sympathy for a guy who hated President Trump, and said that if given the chance he would assassinate Trump by poisoning his food. Joke, or not, I don't find that funny, and from everything else I've read about him recently it's obvious he was a typical anti-American, liberal, just like pretty much everyone employed by CNN. Really surprised to see how many thought he was such a great person.   :dunno:
You seem to know a lot about someone you say you have never heard of?

Don't know that I know a lot. But I know enough. I know how to read. Are you a fan?
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: gaddy on June 11, 2018, 04:57:55 PM
Sorry Tony that you felt the need to end your life. All people have demons of some sort and deal with them in their own way. I don't think that arguing about it here is helping. He had enough, end of story. I don't know all the facts about his condition and wont judge.
I do know that my mother had health problems that could not be overcome. She elected to end her's as she was so tired and coulden't fight any more. Selfish ? NO. She went out on her own terms. We were all aware however of her decision and with her at the end.
The point is that we don't know everything about what his situation was. If you were diagnosed with something you knew was terminal and going to be extremely painful, would you head for your happy place in the hills or subject your family to watching you die a long painful death. I watched my grandfather go that way and I would bet if he had a clew how things would turn out, he would have headed for the hills.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: danderson on June 11, 2018, 05:59:46 PM
I really enjoyed his shows, he took the viewer on a journey into other cultures and flavors, I know most sportman tend to cook off the wall things, one can only  imagine what people would say about some of the things I cooked and served to friends, politics aside he was very entertaining.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Curly on June 11, 2018, 06:23:54 PM
Here's what Andrew Zimmern had to say about Anthony Bordain:  Andrew Zimmern on Anthony Bourdain: ‘The Most Charismatic Man I Knew’ (https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/andrew-zimmern-anthony-bourdain-appreciation-dead-1202839009/)

For those not aware of Andrew Zimmern,  you should check out his shows. They are really good. Quite  a  few of his shows have him out hunting or fishing and then cooking up the catch/kill.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: trophyhunt on June 11, 2018, 06:53:01 PM
Sorry Tony that you felt the need to end your life. All people have demons of some sort and deal with them in their own way. I don't think that arguing about it here is helping. He had enough, end of story. I don't know all the facts about his condition and wont judge.
I do know that my mother had health problems that could not be overcome. She elected to end her's as she was so tired and coulden't fight any more. Selfish ? NO. She went out on her own terms. We were all aware however of her decision and with her at the end.
The point is that we don't know everything about what his situation was. If you were diagnosed with something you knew was terminal and going to be extremely painful, would you head for your happy place in the hills or subject your family to watching you die a long painful death. I watched my grandfather go that way and I would bet if he had a clew how things would turn out, he would have headed for the hills.
I feel very different about suicide when someone has a terminal, painful future. They should be able to decide that without questions, my dad has always said he would do this same thing if he was ever terminal.  I don’t think it’s the right thing to do, I’d rather he let God’s plan happen, but I can understand suicide in that senecio way more than just someone who is depressed. I am a believer in God, so in no way will I ever want someone I love to take their own life.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: yorketransport on June 11, 2018, 07:40:11 PM
I feel very different about suicide when someone has a terminal, painful future. They should be able to decide that without questions, my dad has always said he would do this same thing if he was ever terminal.  I don’t think it’s the right thing to do, I’d rather he let God’s plan happen, but I can understand suicide in that senecio way more than just someone who is depressed. I am a believer in God, so in no way will I ever want someone I love to take their own life.

Mental illness is just as real as any physical illness and often offers the same painful and ultimately terminal future. Talk to somebody dealing with schizophrenia and tell them that their pain isn't real.

Is somebody taking their own life in one motion really that different than somebody who faces their pain one drink at a time, one pill at a time, or one self destructive decision at a time? They're all ultimately working towards the same end. Isn't it just as selfish for somebody to sit in front of their family and drink themselves to death every night?

It's easy to stand back and call somebody weak for taking their own life but we'll never understand their pain. Everyone perceives and handles emotional stress and pain differently, no different than physical pain. Many times the reason somebody resorts to suicide is because they're made to feel ashamed and weak for feeling so low to begin with. Being judged for how they feel only pushes them into a deeper depression.

Judging the dead won't help anyone, regardless of your personal views of suicide. Try reaching out to help someone instead. Maybe you can help change their perspective and point them down a different path.

Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: NRA4LIFE on June 11, 2018, 07:59:51 PM
Well said Yorke.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 12, 2018, 06:44:21 AM
 :yeah: :tup:
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: trophyhunt on June 12, 2018, 07:13:36 AM
I feel very different about suicide when someone has a terminal, painful future. They should be able to decide that without questions, my dad has always said he would do this same thing if he was ever terminal.  I don’t think it’s the right thing to do, I’d rather he let God’s plan happen, but I can understand suicide in that senecio way more than just someone who is depressed. I am a believer in God, so in no way will I ever want someone I love to take their own life.

Mental illness is just as real as any physical illness and often offers the same painful and ultimately terminal future. Talk to somebody dealing with schizophrenia and tell them that their pain isn't real.

Is somebody taking their own life in one motion really that different than somebody who faces their pain one drink at a time, one pill at a time, or one self destructive decision at a time? They're all ultimately working towards the same end. Isn't it just as selfish for somebody to sit in front of their family and drink themselves to death every night?

It's easy to stand back and call somebody weak for taking their own life but we'll never understand their pain. Everyone perceives and handles emotional stress and pain differently, no different than physical pain. Many times the reason somebody resorts to suicide is because they're made to feel ashamed and weak for feeling so low to begin with. Being judged for how they feel only pushes them into a deeper depression.

Judging the dead won't help anyone, regardless of your personal views of suicide. Try reaching out to help someone instead. Maybe you can help change their perspective and point them down a different path.
I agree with what your saying, but I'm no professional psychiatrist, but I'll talk with anyone who wants to.  My opinion is just that, it means nothing to anyone but me.  I'm a survivor, of what I won't say on an open forum, I know pain.  It takes a lot to fight, I'm well aware of that. But like I said, I'm a believer and suicide is not the way out, I'm afraid for any of my friends or loved ones who take that path.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: HighlandLofts on July 26, 2018, 07:55:24 PM
I never really watch his show, didn't really get into that type of shows. No time forthatkind of stuff.

After Robert deniros little scheme I canceled cable television and haven't turned it on since. It's all way to liberal for me. I refuse to watch these liberal.morons.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 27, 2018, 08:11:33 AM
Then why even comment?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: magnanimous_j on July 27, 2018, 08:44:34 AM
Then why even comment?  :dunno:

People who give up TV, for any reason, never miss an opportunity to tell you about it.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: 206 on July 27, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
Then why even comment?  :dunno:

People who give up TV, for any reason, never miss an opportunity to tell you about it.

TRUE THAT.  LOL
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 27, 2018, 10:19:02 AM
Then why even comment?  :dunno:

People who give up TV, for any reason, never miss an opportunity to tell you about it.

Are these people TVegans?
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: runamuk on July 27, 2018, 11:12:53 AM
Then why even comment?  :dunno:

People who give up TV, for any reason, never miss an opportunity to tell you about it.

Are these people TVegans?

Nah just like Iceman always said kill your tv now. I prefer to not watch news, or pay for cable. I buy shows I like on dvd, no commercials far superior experience.  When I lived with television, I loved Anthony, he is still one of my favirite celebrities.  I am still taken aback when I realize he is gone.  I reneber the time he, was given the honor of stabbing the pig with a spear in the jungle.
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: Angry Perch on July 27, 2018, 11:13:43 AM
Then why even comment?  :dunno:

People who give up TV, for any reason, never miss an opportunity to tell you about it.

Are these people TVegans?

I see what you did there!

I get the whole boycott this, boycott that thing. But by boycotting liberals, you're sentencing your self to a life without good TV, movies, music, and food. No thanks! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 of apparent suicide
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 27, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
 :chuckle:
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