Post by: Humptulips on June 14, 2018, 10:59:56 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 14, 2018, 11:15:10 PM
Post by: wheels on June 14, 2018, 11:20:39 PM
Post by: Mfowl on June 14, 2018, 11:21:59 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on June 14, 2018, 11:53:29 PM
Same here. I won't shoot something I don't intend to eat which is why I don't hunt coyotes... thats not a rib at anyone who does, just for me personally I won't. I actually passed on two bobcats this past season because I never researched how edible they are. Of course, after I find out they're good I don't see anymore. Oh well, next time.
Post by: Humptulips on June 15, 2018, 02:01:39 AM
Post by: bearpaw on June 15, 2018, 05:35:55 AM
I'll just add maybe you don't like the thought of eating cougar meat. What is wrong with giving it to someone who will eat it? I would bet any offered on here wouldn't last long.
:yeah:
Post by: Antlershed on June 15, 2018, 05:51:08 AM
Post by: grundy53 on June 15, 2018, 05:56:28 AM
Animal rights groups are constantly telling everyone cougar meat is never used to demonize cougar hunting. let's take this talking point away from them.Unfortunately I don't th think it would change the perception. There's a lot of non hunters that think we don't actually eat deer meat and just take the horns.
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Post by: jasnt on June 15, 2018, 05:57:44 AM
Post by: MADMAX on June 15, 2018, 06:05:23 AM
yum
Post by: predatorpro on June 15, 2018, 06:31:27 AM
Post by: rtspring on June 15, 2018, 06:58:47 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 15, 2018, 07:09:34 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 15, 2018, 07:10:38 AM
Why would i want another law id be forced to follow....what i do with animals i harvest isnt any someone elses decision...:yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on June 15, 2018, 07:10:54 AM
Anti's are gonna hare and try to destroy us no mattter what!!!:yeah:
Post by: ljsommer on June 15, 2018, 07:12:01 AM
Why would i want another law id be forced to follow....what i do with animals i harvest isnt any someone elses decision...
Because like it or not if you live in WA you live in a liberal utopia, and as they say: "Sometimes you've gotta play the game".
Post by: dscubame on June 15, 2018, 07:33:30 AM
Post by: Sneaky on June 15, 2018, 07:35:24 AM
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if the person:
(a) Takes or possesses wildlife classified as food fish, game fish, shellfish, or game birds having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more, or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) Recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
"Big game" defined.
As used in this title or rules of the commission, "big game" means the following species:
Scientific Name
Common Name
Cervus canadensis
elk or wapiti
Odocoileus hemionus
blacktail deer or mule deer
Odocoileus virginianus
whitetail deer
Alces americana
moose
Oreamnos americanus
mountain goat
Rangifer caribou
caribou
Ovis canadensis
mountain sheep
Antilocapra americana
pronghorn antelope
Felis concolor
cougar or mountain lion
Euarctos americana
black bear
Ursus horribilis
grizzly bear
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.170
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.030
Post by: Antlershed on June 15, 2018, 07:36:20 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 15, 2018, 07:46:05 AM
Wastage laws already apply to cougar. they are a big game animal.
That's what I thought! :dunno:
Post by: Squidward on June 15, 2018, 08:26:48 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on June 15, 2018, 08:40:05 AM
Post by: Humptulips on June 15, 2018, 08:57:29 AM
They do not as F&W does not consider the meat to be edible.Wastage laws already apply to cougar. they are a big game animal.
That's what I thought! :dunno:
Post by: paultanninen on June 15, 2018, 09:00:32 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 15, 2018, 09:03:13 AM
does this apply to bears
Yes:
Wastage laws already apply to cougar. they are a big game animal. read the following From rcw 77.15.170 and RCW 77.08.030 :
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if the person:
(a) Takes or possesses wildlife classified as food fish, game fish, shellfish, or game birds having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more, or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) Recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
"Big game" defined.
As used in this title or rules of the commission, "big game" means the following species:
Scientific Name
Common Name
Cervus canadensis
elk or wapiti
Odocoileus hemionus
blacktail deer or mule deer
Odocoileus virginianus
whitetail deer
Alces americana
moose
Oreamnos americanus
mountain goat
Rangifer caribou
caribou
Ovis canadensis
mountain sheep
Antilocapra americana
pronghorn antelope
Felis concolor
cougar or mountain lion
Euarctos americana
black bear
Ursus horribilis
grizzly bear
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.170
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.08.030
Post by: npaull on June 15, 2018, 09:08:13 AM
Post by: Tenkara on June 15, 2018, 09:11:47 AM
Post by: theleo on June 15, 2018, 10:09:58 AM
Post by: buglebrush on June 15, 2018, 10:35:21 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 15, 2018, 11:02:53 AM
Post by: Dan-o on June 15, 2018, 11:16:15 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 15, 2018, 11:25:43 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on June 15, 2018, 11:31:01 AM
Post by: Curly on June 15, 2018, 11:44:42 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 15, 2018, 01:41:09 PM
I have seen a few live, wasted cougars...There is that. Many of the cougars I've seen definitely have a waist-age problem.
Post by: 7mmfan on June 15, 2018, 01:45:36 PM
I have seen a few live, wasted cougars...There is that. Many of the cougars I've seen definitely have a waist-age problem.
I think you mean waist/age problem, meaning, both concurrently.
Post by: Antlershed on June 15, 2018, 01:59:28 PM
Where are you getting that from?They do not as F&W does not consider the meat to be edible.Wastage laws already apply to cougar. they are a big game animal.
That's what I thought! :dunno:
Post by: jasnt on June 15, 2018, 02:28:36 PM
Post by: Curly on June 15, 2018, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: Humptulips on June 15, 2018, 05:48:52 PM
Where are you getting that from?They do not as F&W does not consider the meat to be edible.Wastage laws already apply to cougar. they are a big game animal.
That's what I thought! :dunno:
The Large Carnivore Section Manager and her boss. Not sure of his exact title.
Post by: BKMFR on June 15, 2018, 07:32:13 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 15, 2018, 07:38:47 PM
Post by: Halo on June 15, 2018, 07:52:35 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on June 15, 2018, 08:04:43 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 15, 2018, 08:17:48 PM
I was raised on "if you hunt it you eat it". Voted yes on that alone.No we don't need any new rules but if it will help shut down an argument from the antis by just making a rule on how i feel any way.WIN WIN.Then remember let's eat every coyote shot,all animals that are trapped and dispatched should be eaten including racoon that can carry rabbies.
I was also taught not to shoot animals you don't intend to eat , But on the other side there is a management stand point that some animals will do better without predators on there heels or killing fawns.
Post by: Oh Mah on June 15, 2018, 08:23:03 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 15, 2018, 08:31:10 PM
Who's arguing that?Coyote?Raccoon?These animals are know to eat rotted meat.Cougars are not.No one brought up bears.Most eat the bear meat but a lot of people don't.Sure the antis will bring that up sometime as well but for now we are talking cougars.I will stick to cougar and stay on topic,no new laws , when you go down that rabbit hole,you end up with lots of new laws,sorry can't support it.
And I have never shot a cougar , so never ate one.but have ate every bear I have shot.
Post by: Oh Mah on June 15, 2018, 08:35:41 PM
I agree.Like i said we don't need new laws.What do you suggest we do to keep our sport alive?The anti's use these argument's(hunting for fur'wasting the meat"all the time.I was raised on "if you hunt it you eat it". Voted yes on that alone.No we don't need any new rules but if it will help shut down an argument from the antis by just making a rule on how i feel any way.WIN WIN.Then remember let's eat every coyote shot,all animals that are trapped and dispatched should be eaten including racoon that can carry rabbies.
I was also taught not to shoot animals you don't intend to eat , But on the other side there is a management stand point that some animals will do better without predators on there heels or killing fawns.
Post by: buglebrush on June 16, 2018, 03:26:55 AM
The whole "appease the anti's" argument is hogwash. The anti's will always rail against and do their best to shut down hunting. It doesn't matter what we do. We need more reasons and opportunities to kill predators not less. I suppose you'd favor a law forcing people to eat skunks, rodents, etc... Cats need killed purely from a Management standpoint regardless of whether or not the meat is consumed. :bash:I agree.Like i said we don't need new laws.What do you suggest we do to keep our sport alive?The anti's use these argument's(hunting for fur'wasting the meat"all the time.I was raised on "if you hunt it you eat it". Voted yes on that alone.No we don't need any new rules but if it will help shut down an argument from the antis by just making a rule on how i feel any way.WIN WIN.Then remember let's eat every coyote shot,all animals that are trapped and dispatched should be eaten including racoon that can carry rabbies.
I was also taught not to shoot animals you don't intend to eat , But on the other side there is a management stand point that some animals will do better without predators on there heels or killing fawns.
Post by: HighlandLofts on June 16, 2018, 03:32:59 AM
But I shoot coyote at the farm when ever they present themselves. I've never had the chance to see a bobcat or cougar and be set up for a shot. I doubt if I ever will be in a position to shoot a cat. I would love a full body mount of a cat, but I can't for see it happening.
Post by: teanawayslayer on June 16, 2018, 06:34:59 AM
Post by: LongBomb on June 16, 2018, 07:14:24 AM
Post by: Sneaky on June 16, 2018, 08:34:13 AM
Long story short, its illegal to waste a big game animal, but a cougar (big game animal) cannot be "wasted" based on the legal definition of waste.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
Post by: Humptulips on June 16, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
To be honest I am surprised by the responses but I guess I wanted to learn how people felt. Now I have a better idea.
I do think in general terms anything we kill and harvest to the fullest extent possible is going to be received by the public better. I know it is not likely we will ever get the blessing of the animal rights crowd but they are few. Just seems to me it would help our PR.
And it is great meat! If you aren't going to eat it you really should save it for someone IMO.
Post by: bearpaw on June 16, 2018, 09:14:17 AM
(66) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.
Long story short, its illegal to waste a big game animal, but a cougar (big game animal) cannot be "wasted" based on the legal definition of waste.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
This is not the first topic on this forum regarding meat wastage of cougar, thanks for answering the long asked question. :tup: :tup:
Post by: Sneaky on June 16, 2018, 09:18:08 AM
(66) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.
Long story short, its illegal to waste a big game animal, but a cougar (big game animal) cannot be "wasted" based on the legal definition of waste.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
This is not the first topic on this forum regarding meat wastage of cougar, thanks for answering the long asked question. :tup: :tup:
Sorry for any confusion I caused with the first post...like many fish and game laws it is written backwards....if you read the actual wastage RCW it seems obvious that all big game animals are covered which is not the case.
Post by: bearpaw on June 16, 2018, 09:25:41 AM
(66) "To waste" or "to be wasted" means to allow any edible portion of any game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar to be rendered unfit for human consumption, or to fail to retrieve edible portions of such a game bird, food fish, game fish, shellfish, or big game animal other than cougar from the field. For purposes of this chapter, edible portions of game birds must include, at a minimum, the breast meat of those birds. Entrails, including the heart and liver, of any wildlife species are not considered edible.
Long story short, its illegal to waste a big game animal, but a cougar (big game animal) cannot be "wasted" based on the legal definition of waste.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
This is not the first topic on this forum regarding meat wastage of cougar, thanks for answering the long asked question. :tup: :tup:
Sorry for any confusion I caused with the first post...like many fish and game laws it is written backwards....if you read the actual wastage RCW it seems obvious that all big game animals are covered which is not the case.
Yes you definitely have to dig sometimes, I'm amazed that until you located this, and even though I've been told by local wardens that cougar meat does not have to be retained, still nobody had found the language to fully address this issue. Glad to see it in writing so everyone has the right info! :tup:
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 16, 2018, 10:04:54 AM
Post by: Humptulips on June 16, 2018, 10:24:11 AM
Big plate of trichinosis. No thanks. I値l pack the hide and skull out with a smile on my face though. Eating cats and dogs. I値l leave that for 3rd world countries.
And yet eating bear and pork seems to be acceptable to most. Psychologically I have a problem with bear so I understand it.
Funny how our brain works sometimes. I've killed bear and no way could I eat them until it was turned into sausage. Then no problem.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 16, 2018, 10:34:46 AM
Big plate of trichinosis. No thanks. I値l pack the hide and skull out with a smile on my face though. Eating cats and dogs. I値l leave that for 3rd world countries.
And yet eating bear and pork seems to be acceptable to most. Psychologically I have a problem with bear so I understand it.
Funny how our brain works sometimes. I've killed bear and no way could I eat them until it was turned into sausage. Then no problem.
Yes I will say it痴 a mental thing. But I only eat bear in sausage form. Pork it痴 either bacon or sausage. Nothing else. I have tried cougar. It was fine. Just couldn稚 break the mental barrier I guess.
Post by: Oh Mah on June 16, 2018, 10:54:58 AM
I think it boils down , that bear meat,cougar meet,and carnivorous,animal can give ya trichinosis,I can't seem to think that wdfw can enforce you to eat something that may make you get sick.Like i said 3 times in this thread so far,We don't need any rule changes or new laws.Now onto this post,yes bears and cats can get you trichinosis.............So CAN deer,elk,moose and ALL other meat not properly cooked.
Post by: bobcat on June 16, 2018, 11:01:00 AM
Post by: 520backyard on June 16, 2018, 01:50:50 PM
Animal rights groups are constantly telling everyone cougar meat is never used to demonize cougar hunting. let's take this talking point away from them.
No matter what the laws are until it is illegal to hunt they will not be satisfied regardless, that is their overall agenda and ultimate goal.
Post by: Humptulips on June 16, 2018, 02:41:27 PM
If it were a law, they couldn't enforce it anyway. Like bigtex has said in the past, it's actually illegal to waste coyotes. (His interpretation of the law, not mine) If I remember correctly, he said to be in compliance with the law, just bring the coyotes home, and throw them in your garbage can.
I can't see how you could make that case. Law seems pretty clear it applies to game birds, game fish, food fish, shell fish and big game other then cougar.
None of that applies to coyotes.
Post by: bobcat on June 16, 2018, 04:11:34 PM
If it were a law, they couldn't enforce it anyway. Like bigtex has said in the past, it's actually illegal to waste coyotes. (His interpretation of the law, not mine) If I remember correctly, he said to be in compliance with the law, just bring the coyotes home, and throw them in your garbage can.
I can't see how you could make that case. Law seems pretty clear it applies to game birds, game fish, food fish, shell fish and big game other then cougar.
None of that applies to coyotes.
I agree, I'm just saying that's what bigtex said, and he's supposed to be the expert.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 16, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
If it were a law, they couldn't enforce it anyway. Like bigtex has said in the past, it's actually illegal to waste coyotes. (His interpretation of the law, not mine) If I remember correctly, he said to be in compliance with the law, just bring the coyotes home, and throw them in your garbage can.
I can't see how you could make that case. Law seems pretty clear it applies to game birds, game fish, food fish, shell fish and big game other then cougar.
None of that applies to coyotes.
I agree, I'm just saying that's what bigtex said, and he's supposed to be the expert.
I believe it falls under the infraction for wastage vs the criminal charge of allowing an animal to be wasted:
Post by: Bob33 on June 16, 2018, 04:47:44 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,186633.msg2468725.html#msg2468725 (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,186633.msg2468725.html#msg2468725)If it were a law, they couldn't enforce it anyway. Like bigtex has said in the past, it's actually illegal to waste coyotes. (His interpretation of the law, not mine) If I remember correctly, he said to be in compliance with the law, just bring the coyotes home, and throw them in your garbage can.
I can't see how you could make that case. Law seems pretty clear it applies to game birds, game fish, food fish, shell fish and big game other then cougar.
None of that applies to coyotes.
I agree, I'm just saying that's what bigtex said, and he's supposed to be the expert.
"As of the summer of 2014 you can no longer be charged for letting a coyote lay."
;)
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 16, 2018, 05:02:07 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,186633.msg2468725.html#msg2468725 (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,186633.msg2468725.html#msg2468725)If it were a law, they couldn't enforce it anyway. Like bigtex has said in the past, it's actually illegal to waste coyotes. (His interpretation of the law, not mine) If I remember correctly, he said to be in compliance with the law, just bring the coyotes home, and throw them in your garbage can.
I can't see how you could make that case. Law seems pretty clear it applies to game birds, game fish, food fish, shell fish and big game other then cougar.
None of that applies to coyotes.
I agree, I'm just saying that's what bigtex said, and he's supposed to be the expert.
"As of the summer of 2014 you can no longer be charged for letting a coyote lay."
;)
Serious question: Are you really sure?
That thread apperars to be talking about the gross misdemeanor as defined in the RCW 77.15.170.
The RCW 77.15.160 (pictured below) which details out infractions indicates differently, and is noted to be effective as of 1/1/2018?
Post by: Oh Mah on June 16, 2018, 05:23:21 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 16, 2018, 05:33:50 PM
The thing that's different is coyotes here are not classified at all.This brings up not classified as big game but seems to be saying that wasting of other classified wildlife would be waste. :dunno: If Bigtex said it could be then this is another rcw that needs cleared up because laws should not be open to the LEO's discretion.They need to be clear and to the point. :twocents:
Coyotes are still considered wildlife in Washington, so I believe you are mis-reading and adding classified wildlife where it is not currently in the listed infraction.
Washington legal definitions link below and a screen shot of the section defining wildlife:
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.08.010
Not to say that I see a flood of tickets being written concerning coyotes, but it does appear that an infraction could still be written if wanted to...
Post by: Bob33 on June 16, 2018, 05:34:15 PM
I quoted Bigtex, who said it is legal to let a coyote lie, which corrects a previous post which implied he said it was not legal.https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,186633.msg2468725.html#msg2468725 (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,186633.msg2468725.html#msg2468725)If it were a law, they couldn't enforce it anyway. Like bigtex has said in the past, it's actually illegal to waste coyotes. (His interpretation of the law, not mine) If I remember correctly, he said to be in compliance with the law, just bring the coyotes home, and throw them in your garbage can.
I can't see how you could make that case. Law seems pretty clear it applies to game birds, game fish, food fish, shell fish and big game other then cougar.
None of that applies to coyotes.
I agree, I'm just saying that's what bigtex said, and he's supposed to be the expert.
"As of the summer of 2014 you can no longer be charged for letting a coyote lay."
;)
Serious question: Are you really sure?
That thread apperars to be talking about the gross misdemeanor as defined in the RCW 77.15.170.
The RCW 77.15.160 (pictured below) which details out infractions indicates differently, and is noted to be effective as of 1/1/2018?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 16, 2018, 05:40:10 PM
It is also talking about the criminal charge, says nothing I seen addressing an infraction...two different classes of violation.
And that was from back in 2014 as stated and the list of infractions covering wasted wildlife indicates it is in effect as of 1/1/2018.
Hence my question of being sure of no potential penalty currently...
Post by: Oh Mah on June 16, 2018, 05:44:08 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2018, 07:17:55 PM
Big plate of trichinosis. No thanks. I値l pack the hide and skull out with a smile on my face though. Eating cats and dogs. I値l leave that for 3rd world countries.I agree with this all the way,cats may eat fresh meat most of the year.But I'm sure there is some winter months they will eat anything.
Post by: Stein on June 16, 2018, 07:30:11 PM
Big plate of trichinosis. No thanks. I値l pack the hide and skull out with a smile on my face though. Eating cats and dogs. I値l leave that for 3rd world countries.I agree with this all the way,cats may eat fresh meat most of the year.But I'm sure there is some winter months they will eat anything.
Salmon eat meat their entire lives as well and are typically full of parasites. If you want to eat it raw, it has to be frozen to -4 or cooked and that doesn't seem to bother many people. Exact same thing with pork and chicken. Most meat has some safety concern and if you grew up eating it you likely don't spend much time thinking about it.
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
So your really comparing salmon to cougar meat .Every meat has a safety concern but I will take the plate of salmon over cougar any day.Big plate of trichinosis. No thanks. I値l pack the hide and skull out with a smile on my face though. Eating cats and dogs. I値l leave that for 3rd world countries.I agree with this all the way,cats may eat fresh meat most of the year.But I'm sure there is some winter months they will eat anything.
Salmon eat meat their entire lives as well and are typically full of parasites. If you want to eat it raw, it has to be frozen to -4 or cooked and that doesn't seem to bother many people. Exact same thing with pork and chicken. Most meat has some safety concern and if you grew up eating it you likely don't spend much time thinking about it.
Post by: Humptulips on June 16, 2018, 08:23:17 PM
Post by: Threewolves on June 16, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
Now along time ago, I was going through the five week Winter Phase of the Northern Warfare Training Center's (NWTC) Instructors Qualification Course (IQC) AT Fort Greely, AK (wow that was long) the NCOIC of the Black Rapids Training Site had eaten the liver of a Lynx and got deathly ill I believe he a eventually got through the ordeal. So, Don't eat cat livers. I on the positive side I also completed the six weeks Summer Phase NWTC IQC. Enjoy your cougar. Also legend has it as one of the preferred meats of the mountain men, in case it was not mentioned I didn't read through the other posts.