Post by: scoutdog346 on June 16, 2018, 02:36:37 PM
Post by: Humptulips on June 16, 2018, 02:43:59 PM
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 16, 2018, 03:34:48 PM
All the signs say no unauthorized motor vehicles. Electric motor is still a motor. :dunno:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on June 16, 2018, 03:38:38 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 16, 2018, 03:57:19 PM
Thinking about investing in an electric mountain bike. Having surgery on my left ankle and I'm not going to be able to walk as far as I used to ever again and need something to compensate a little bit what do you guys think is the likelihood of them outlawing electric mountain bikes behind gated roads in western Washington walk-in only areas in the years to come? ( my injury will not pass the permanent disability wdfw)
I dont see a problem. Most of the west side is pay to play. So either drive in or bike in. Fire season might be a different story.
Post by: 520backyard on June 16, 2018, 04:09:55 PM
Washington Administrative Code says 700 watt or lessWhat's the relevant WAC?All the signs say no unauthorized motor vehicles. Electric motor is still a motor. :dunno:
Post by: dreamunelk on June 16, 2018, 04:14:20 PM
Washington Administrative Code says 700 watt or lessWhat's the relevant WAC?All the signs say no unauthorized motor vehicles. Electric motor is still a motor. :dunno:
Same as if you get caught behind a gate with a motor vehicle.
Most of the timber companies along the cost have said no to electric bikes.
Post by: 520backyard on June 16, 2018, 04:26:38 PM
Yeah I understand that. I was asking scoutdog346 what specific WAC he was referencing.Washington Administrative Code says 700 watt or lessWhat's the relevant WAC?All the signs say no unauthorized motor vehicles. Electric motor is still a motor. :dunno:
Same as if you get caught behind a gate with a motor vehicle.
Most of the timber companies along the cost have said no to electric bikes.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 16, 2018, 04:39:38 PM
Every management entity I have checked has rules in place for not allowing electric motors in walk-in areas already. This goes for USFS, DNR, and every major private timber owner I could find.
Post by: funkster on June 16, 2018, 04:43:25 PM
Post by: Soundbite on June 16, 2018, 05:21:13 PM
Post by: Special T on June 16, 2018, 05:40:45 PM
Everyone looks for concrete answers. The concrete answer is no to eliminate grey area that may open land owners up to further issues. 2c.
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Post by: Bob33 on June 16, 2018, 05:47:33 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 16, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
For example, on Weyerhaeuser property, no electric bikes allowed at all, regardless of size.
https://www.weyerhaeuser.com/application/files/2015/2227/9385/Permit_FAQs_3-28-2018.pdf
Post by: bobcat on June 16, 2018, 06:03:34 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 16, 2018, 06:08:39 PM
They're allowed on Weyerhaeuser just like any other motorized vehicle. Of course you need an access permit as Weyerhaeuser no longer allows access to anyone unless they buy an access permit.
Correct, should have clearly said I was referring to their walk-in permits...thanks!
Also a better screenshot because I realized after that post, it was carried over a page and cut off in my shot.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 16, 2018, 06:54:13 PM
Post by: Mudman on June 16, 2018, 07:06:51 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2018, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: Special T on June 16, 2018, 07:16:39 PM
Don't you just love Wahingtonfornia.............No my ancestors are turning in their graves in Port Townsend
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Post by: funkster on June 16, 2018, 11:03:35 PM
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 17, 2018, 02:13:35 AM
Yeah I understand that. I was asking scoutdog346 what specific WAC he was referencing.Washington Administrative Code says 700 watt or lessWhat's the relevant WAC?All the signs say no unauthorized motor vehicles. Electric motor is still a motor. :dunno:
Same as if you get caught behind a gate with a motor vehicle.
Most of the timber companies along the cost have said no to electric bikes.
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 17, 2018, 02:27:53 AM
Even if your injury doesn’t pass the WDFW’s disabled qualifications, you might try and contact the timber company direct and try to get some type of medical waver? It’s not like you’re trying to totally ignore or break their rules. Plus the batteries themselves have limitations. Doesn’t hurt to ask.
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 17, 2018, 02:29:52 AM
They're allowed on Weyerhaeuser just like any other motorized vehicle. Of course you need an access permit as Weyerhaeuser no longer allows access to anyone unless they buy an access permit.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on June 17, 2018, 06:00:32 AM
I'm talking about using it on the walk on area of warehouserThey're allowed on Weyerhaeuser just like any other motorized vehicle. Of course you need an access permit as Weyerhaeuser no longer allows access to anyone unless they buy an access permit.
Looks like this answer is pretty clear if on Weyco
They're allowed on Weyerhaeuser just like any other motorized vehicle. Of course you need an access permit as Weyerhaeuser no longer allows access to anyone unless they buy an access permit.
Correct, should have clearly said I was referring to their walk-in permits...thanks!
Also a better screenshot because I realized after that post, it was carried over a page and cut off in my shot.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 17, 2018, 06:47:41 AM
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"Motor vehicle or motorized vehicle" means any device that is moved or propelled by an internal combustion engine or electrically powered motor. It shall include, but not be limited to automobiles, trucks, motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, motor bikes, motor-scooters and off-road vehicles, whether or not they can be licensed to operate on public roads. The term does not include vessels or personal mobility assistive devices, such as wheelchairs.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=332-52&full=true#332-52-010
Post by: royalbull on June 18, 2018, 02:58:03 PM
Post by: johnr060 on June 18, 2018, 04:33:35 PM
Post by: Salmonstalker on June 18, 2018, 06:15:31 PM
Post by: KopperBuck on June 18, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
DNR WACQuote"Motor vehicle or motorized vehicle" means any device that is moved or propelled by an internal combustion engine or electrically powered motor. It shall include, but not be limited to automobiles, trucks, motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, motor bikes, motor-scooters and off-road vehicles, whether or not they can be licensed to operate on public roads. The term does not include vessels or personal mobility assistive devices, such as wheelchairs.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=332-52&full=true#332-52-010
I take it then they’re not allowed behind locked gates unless you have an aforementioned motorized permit. So, what is the argument again? I agree, they should not be allowed behind locked gates. They are artificially powered.
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Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2018, 07:00:00 PM
I ride one. Say what you want about it "not being fair to the guys that walk in and put in the miles on foot" but I've put my fair share in on foot. I recently had a bone fusion in my foot which now limits my mobility and I can only put in a small percentage of miles that I used to. I also do not qualify for a disabled permit. I saved up my pennies, bucked up some cash and now ride behind locked gates- which I rode before on a regular mountain bike. If I want to spend the money on that (and it's legal) I think that's more than fair. I still get up way before daylight, put in my time and I go up to areas that guys/gals either don't want to walk to or see no reason to go to. I pass numerous clear cuts that a lot of people hunt because it's lower in elevation, easier to get to from the road and they don't go any further than that. I choose going a lot farther back, as a way to get away from the crowd. My :twocents:I don't care how much cash you put into something,four wheeler,side by side,electric bike,just because you spend x amount of cash does not make it legal to ride behind locked gates.In my eyes it's disrespectful to the property owner to not follow the rules they put to give you access to hunt.And hurts future access to all hunters in the future. :twocents:
I do own four wheeler, And motorcycle I haven't used them for hunting in years .
Post by: Bullkllr on June 18, 2018, 07:37:32 PM
I ride one. Say what you want about it "not being fair to the guys that walk in and put in the miles on foot" but I've put my fair share in on foot. I recently had a bone fusion in my foot which now limits my mobility and I can only put in a small percentage of miles that I used to. I also do not qualify for a disabled permit. I saved up my pennies, bucked up some cash and now ride behind locked gates- which I rode before on a regular mountain bike. If I want to spend the money on that (and it's legal) I think that's more than fair. I still get up way before daylight, put in my time and I go up to areas that guys/gals either don't want to walk to or see no reason to go to. I pass numerous clear cuts that a lot of people hunt because it's lower in elevation, easier to get to from the road and they don't go any further than that. I choose going a lot farther back, as a way to get away from the crowd. My :twocents:I don't care how much cash you put into something,four wheeler,side by side,electric bike,just because you spend x amount of cash does not make it legal to ride behind locked gates.In my eyes it's disrespectful to the property owner to not follow the rules they put to give you access to hunt.And hurts future access to all hunters in the future. :twocents:
I do own four wheeler, And motorcycle I haven't used them for hunting in years .
:yeah:
I'm actually surprised at some of the responses to the contrary.
Follow the rules; if you don't like it, figure something else out that is within the rules for the area you are accessing.
There's almost always some way to get a motorbike or a quad into gated non-motorized road areas; doesn't make it right because some don't get caught.
Post by: rtspring on June 18, 2018, 07:46:02 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on June 18, 2018, 07:59:06 PM
I ride one. Say what you want about it "not being fair to the guys that walk in and put in the miles on foot" but I've put my fair share in on foot. I recently had a bone fusion in my foot which now limits my mobility and I can only put in a small percentage of miles that I used to. I also do not qualify for a disabled permit. I saved up my pennies, bucked up some cash and now ride behind locked gates- which I rode before on a regular mountain bike. If I want to spend the money on that (and it's legal) I think that's more than fair. I still get up way before daylight, put in my time and I go up to areas that guys/gals either don't want to walk to or see no reason to go to. I pass numerous clear cuts that a lot of people hunt because it's lower in elevation, easier to get to from the road and they don't go any further than that. I choose going a lot farther back, as a way to get away from the crowd. My :twocents:lol- so how much walking is a "fair share" to be able to ride a motorized bike illegally?
Post by: aer212 on June 19, 2018, 06:10:10 AM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 19, 2018, 06:28:30 AM
How is that any different than guys that have and can afford horses?
Not sure what kinda horses you been around. But the biggest difference and obvious one is horses don’t have a motors. Kinda why they are allowed in the wilderness areas as well. Unlike bicycles. That goes for regular bicycles or electric ones.
Post by: Salmonstalker on June 19, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
I ride one. Say what you want about it "not being fair to the guys that walk in and put in the miles on foot" but I've put my fair share in on foot. I recently had a bone fusion in my foot which now limits my mobility and I can only put in a small percentage of miles that I used to. I also do not qualify for a disabled permit. I saved up my pennies, bucked up some cash and now ride behind locked gates- which I rode before on a regular mountain bike. If I want to spend the money on that (and it's legal) I think that's more than fair. I still get up way before daylight, put in my time and I go up to areas that guys/gals either don't want to walk to or see no reason to go to. I pass numerous clear cuts that a lot of people hunt because it's lower in elevation, easier to get to from the road and they don't go any further than that. I choose going a lot farther back, as a way to get away from the crowd. My :twocents:lol- so how much walking is a "fair share" to be able to ride a motorized bike illegally?
I ride one. Say what you want about it "not being fair to the guys that walk in and put in the miles on foot" but I've put my fair share in on foot. I recently had a bone fusion in my foot which now limits my mobility and I can only put in a small percentage of miles that I used to. I also do not qualify for a disabled permit. I saved up my pennies, bucked up some cash and now ride behind locked gates- which I rode before on a regular mountain bike. If I want to spend the money on that (and it's legal) I think that's more than fair. I still get up way before daylight, put in my time and I go up to areas that guys/gals either don't want to walk to or see no reason to go to. I pass numerous clear cuts that a lot of people hunt because it's lower in elevation, easier to get to from the road and they don't go any further than that. I choose going a lot farther back, as a way to get away from the crowd. My :twocents:
I don't care how much cash you put into something,four wheeler,side by side,electric bike,just because you spend x amount of cash does not make it legal to ride behind locked gates.In my eyes it's disrespectful to the property owner to not follow the rules they put to give you access to hunt.And hurts future access to all hunters in the future. :twocents:
I do own four wheeler, And motorcycle I haven't used them for hunting in years .
I own a quad as well and I don't get to ride it much either. It is LEGAL to ride an electric bike where I go. If it wasn't, I would ride a mountain bike in. Exactly how is it disrespectful and how does that hurt the future access of all hunters? Up until recently, I rode a mountain bike into those areas- the difference is I now can use "pedal assist" for going up hills. I'm not walking in if I don't have to just because others think it's unfair. LOL
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 19, 2018, 10:02:07 AM
I think the confusion is from the earlier post about fairness. If it is legal for all, then it is fair since the walkers and non-motorized riders have that option too even if they don't take it. Just kind of sounded like you were talking about rogue riding.I ride one. Say what you want about it "not being fair to the guys that walk in and put in the miles on foot" but I've put my fair share in on foot. I recently had a bone fusion in my foot which now limits my mobility and I can only put in a small percentage of miles that I used to. I also do not qualify for a disabled permit. I saved up my pennies, bucked up some cash and now ride behind locked gates- which I rode before on a regular mountain bike. If I want to spend the money on that (and it's legal) I think that's more than fair. I still get up way before daylight, put in my time and I go up to areas that guys/gals either don't want to walk to or see no reason to go to. I pass numerous clear cuts that a lot of people hunt because it's lower in elevation, easier to get to from the road and they don't go any further than that. I choose going a lot farther back, as a way to get away from the crowd. My :twocents:lol- so how much walking is a "fair share" to be able to ride a motorized bike illegally?I ride one. Say what you want about it "not being fair to the guys that walk in and put in the miles on foot" but I've put my fair share in on foot. I recently had a bone fusion in my foot which now limits my mobility and I can only put in a small percentage of miles that I used to. I also do not qualify for a disabled permit. I saved up my pennies, bucked up some cash and now ride behind locked gates- which I rode before on a regular mountain bike. If I want to spend the money on that (and it's legal) I think that's more than fair. I still get up way before daylight, put in my time and I go up to areas that guys/gals either don't want to walk to or see no reason to go to. I pass numerous clear cuts that a lot of people hunt because it's lower in elevation, easier to get to from the road and they don't go any further than that. I choose going a lot farther back, as a way to get away from the crowd. My :twocents:
I don't care how much cash you put into something,four wheeler,side by side,electric bike,just because you spend x amount of cash does not make it legal to ride behind locked gates.In my eyes it's disrespectful to the property owner to not follow the rules they put to give you access to hunt.And hurts future access to all hunters in the future. :twocents:
I do own four wheeler, And motorcycle I haven't used them for hunting in years .
I own a quad as well and I don't get to ride it much either. It is LEGAL to ride an electric bike where I go. If it wasn't, I would ride a mountain bike in. Exactly how is it disrespectful and how does that hurt the future access of all hunters? Up until recently, I rode a mountain bike into those areas- the difference is I now can use "pedal assist" for going up hills. I'm not walking in if I don't have to just because others think it's unfair. LOL
Post by: bigtex on June 19, 2018, 10:16:41 AM
Thinking about investing in an electric mountain bike. Having surgery on my left ankle and I'm not going to be able to walk as far as I used to ever again and need something to compensate a little bit what do you guys think is the likelihood of them outlawing electric mountain bikes behind gated roads in western Washington walk-in only areas in the years to come? ( my injury will not pass the permanent disability wdfw)As far as actual statewide law goes it won't happen.
It is up to each individual land management agency/timber company to decide what vehicles/devices they allow on their roads. For agencies that'll be in their regulations, for companies it'll simply be their company policies/rules.
Post by: funkster on June 19, 2018, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 19, 2018, 10:32:03 AM
If a hunter could prove (medical documentation) to a timber company that they have a legit issue and the timber company agrees, I don’t see what the big deal would be?Timber companies can make whatever decisions they wish regarding access; it's their land. I don't believe anyone disagrees with that.
Post by: kselkhunter on June 19, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
As others have already mentioned, many of the timber companies consider an electric assist bike as a motorized vehicle. So it depends on which land you're planning on hunting.
Post by: sidehil on June 19, 2018, 12:05:58 PM
Post by: sidehil on June 19, 2018, 12:08:58 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 19, 2018, 12:11:16 PM
I modern fire deer on a mountain bike, but electric is motorized so no loaded rifle either.....
I never thought about that, but I suppose you could carry a loaded gun on a bike in a scabbard. :dunno:
Post by: 7mmfan on June 19, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
I modern fire deer on a mountain bike, but electric is motorized so no loaded rifle either.....
I never thought about that, but I suppose you could carry a loaded gun on a bike in a scabbard. :dunno:
I ride all over on my mountain bike with a loaded rifle either strapped to my pack, or slung across my chest.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 19, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Personally, I don't use a motorized off-road vehicle to get around. If you do and your use is legal, I support your use of the resource 100%. If you're breaking the law by riding on land where motorized vehicles are prohibited, you're only hurting every other person who rides them. Also, if I see you, I'm calling it in. No question.
Post by: bearpaw on June 19, 2018, 01:19:48 PM
I modern fire deer on a mountain bike, but electric is motorized so no loaded rifle either.....
I never thought about that, but I suppose you could carry a loaded gun on a bike in a scabbard. :dunno:
I ride all over on my mountain bike with a loaded rifle either strapped to my pack, or slung across my chest.
I have not ridden a bicycle in decades, I could probably charge admission if I was to get a bike, but I've been considering it in recent years. :chuckle:
Post by: 7mmfan on June 19, 2018, 01:44:03 PM
I modern fire deer on a mountain bike, but electric is motorized so no loaded rifle either.....
I never thought about that, but I suppose you could carry a loaded gun on a bike in a scabbard. :dunno:
I ride all over on my mountain bike with a loaded rifle either strapped to my pack, or slung across my chest.
I have not ridden a bicycle in decades, I could probably charge admission if I was to get a bike, but I've been considering it in recent years. :chuckle:
You never forget! that's why we have the saying, "It's like riding a bike!"
Post by: thegeneral on June 19, 2018, 02:03:23 PM
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Post by: goldenhtr on June 19, 2018, 04:18:06 PM
116 STAT. 2776 PUBLIC LAW 107–319—DEC. 4, 2002
Public Law 107–319
107th Congress
An Act
To amend the Consumer Product Safety Act to provide that low-speed electric
bicycles are consumer products subject to such Act.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY ACT.
The Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. 2051 et seq.)
is amended by adding at the end the following:
‘‘LOW-SPEED ELECTRIC BICYCLES
‘‘SEC. 38. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, lowspeed
electric bicycles are consumer products within the meaning
of section 3(a)(1) and shall be subject to the Commission regulations
published at section 1500.18(a)(12) and part 1512 of title 16, Code
of Federal Regulations.
‘‘(b) For the purpose of this section, the term ‘low-speed electric
bicycle’ means a two- or three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable
pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 h.p.), whose
maximum speed on a paved level surface, when powered solely
by such a motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170
pounds, is less than 20 mph.
‘‘(c) To further protect the safety of consumers who ride lowspeed
electric bicycles, the Commission may promulgate new or
amended requirements applicable to such vehicles as necessary
and appropriate.
‘‘(d) This section shall supersede any State law or requirement
with respect to low-speed electric bicycles to the extent that such
State law or requirement is more stringent than the Federal law
or requirements referred to in subsection (a).’’.
SEC. 2. MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS.
For purposes of motor vehicle safety standards issued and
enforced pursuant to chapter 301 of title 49, United States Code,
49 USC 30102
note.
15 USC 2085.
Dec. 4, 2002
[H.R. 727]
VerDate 11-MAY-2000 23:31 Dec 10, 2002 Jkt 019139 PO 00319 Frm 00001 Fmt 6580 Sfmt 6581 E:\PUBLAW\PUBL319.107 apps27 PsN: PUBL319
PUBLIC LAW 107–319—DEC. 4, 2002 116 STAT. 2777
LEGISLATIVE HISTORY—H.R. 727:
HOUSE REPORTS: No. 107–5 (Comm. on Energy and Commerce).
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD:
Vol. 147 (2001): Mar. 6, considered and passed House.
Vol. 148 (2002): Nov. 18, considered and passed Senate.
Æ
a low-speed electric bicycle (as defined in section 38(b) of the Consumer
Product Safety Act) shall not be considered a motor vehicle
as defined by section 30102(6) of title 49, United States Code.
Approved December 4, 2002.
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on June 20, 2018, 02:29:49 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 20, 2018, 02:42:37 PM
The 750 watt reference is from a federal document. State law could override it. Washumgton law would likely consider it a motor vehicle in this instance since the restriction is intended to limit access.That's only for the Consumer Product Safety Act. It doesn't apply to federal land management agencies.
Post by: mkcj on June 20, 2018, 02:51:46 PM
Post by: goldenhtr on June 20, 2018, 03:46:06 PM
Post by: bigtex on June 20, 2018, 03:58:11 PM
I get it on private property. But what State owned property? It says that the state can't over rule federal law, or something along those lines. Just thought it was a interesting read.The law you posted is simply states that electric bikes which fall within the parameters of the law are consumer products, thus they fall under the regulation of the Consumer Product Safety Act.
When Congress/state legislatures/agencies enact definitions it only applies to that particular section of law/to the sections the agency governs.
As an example WDFW & State Parks have a different definition of "campfire" and how it pertains to the regs on their lands than DNR.
WDFW & Parks define "campfire" as any open flame from a wood source
DNR defines "campfire" as any open flame using wood as a fuel source as well as fuel made from materials such as manufactured fireplace logs.
One word, three state agencies, two different definitions.
Post by: sidehil on June 20, 2018, 04:40:14 PM
Post by: aer212 on June 20, 2018, 05:20:05 PM
So if it's about not having to work as hard as the guy who walks in I guess that means riding a horse should also be banned?
That’s what I was getting at with my post.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 20, 2018, 05:23:12 PM
Holy funk it’s not legal period....but carry on with your BS.....
No doubt.
If you have to try that hard...I don't get it.
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Post by: hunter399 on June 20, 2018, 07:58:20 PM
The guys saying they are going to call the authorities because someone is riding an electric bike in the woods....lol! Don't forget your hall monitor sash before you head out for deer season!Don't worry won't forget the sash,picture of your licence plate , and the text number for the warden.
I have one question for everybody driving motor vehicles behind locked gates.If all the gates where to open for everybody would you still take your atv,electric bicycles, when there was about fifty pickup trucks in there.And pumpkin patches of people as far as the eye can see.
Post by: hunter399 on June 20, 2018, 08:10:40 PM
I just got permission to hunt some private land .Land owner tells me that he has had so many problems keeping atv,and trespassers out , that don't be surprised to run into other people on his land.All his roads are gated locked and posted no hunting no tresspassing.So I asked him how many people have permission ,he says I'm the second person that has ever came to get permission.Then he asked me about a few landmarks and spots that where inside the gates ,i said I don't know cause I came to get permission first .He said go on in and hunt ,gave me permission,maps of the 600 acres.
Long story short,a little respect for someone property can go a long way.
Post by: Dan-o on June 20, 2018, 08:23:47 PM
Story time !
I just got permission to hunt some private land .Land owner tells me that he has had so many problems keeping atv,and trespassers out , that don't be surprised to run into other people on his land.All his roads are gated locked and posted no hunting no tresspassing.So I asked him how many people have permission ,he says I'm the second person that has ever came to get permission.Then he asked me about a few landmarks and spots that where inside the gates ,i said I don't know cause I came to get permission first .He said go on in and hunt ,gave me permission,maps of the 600 acres.
Long story short,a little respect for someone property can go a long way.
Very outdated ethics on your part.
I read earlier that you're supposed to scoff at laws you don't like.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 20, 2018, 09:01:20 PM
Why do do so many people care does less damage than a horse , your still riding a bike . Mind your business and hunt on
Funny, but all the guys I see on quads and motorcycles after I pushed my bicycle 8 miles up hill say the same thing.
Post by: hunter399 on June 20, 2018, 09:19:41 PM
Some laws are better than others. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Story time !
I just got permission to hunt some private land .Land owner tells me that he has had so many problems keeping atv,and trespassers out , that don't be surprised to run into other people on his land.All his roads are gated locked and posted no hunting no tresspassing.So I asked him how many people have permission ,he says I'm the second person that has ever came to get permission.Then he asked me about a few landmarks and spots that where inside the gates ,i said I don't know cause I came to get permission first .He said go on in and hunt ,gave me permission,maps of the 600 acres.
Long story short,a little respect for someone property can go a long way.
Very outdated ethics on your part.
I read earlier that you're supposed to scoff at laws you don't like.
Not sure which laws you may think I have broken .But I don't think you know me personally.My ethics are better than most.
Post by: millerwheeler on June 20, 2018, 09:51:23 PM
I have one question for everybody driving motor vehicles behind locked gates.If all the gates where to open for everybody would you still take your atv,electric bicycles, when there was about fifty pickup trucks in there.And pumpkin patches of people as far as the eye can see.
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Bud 99 percent of our state is a patch already
Just saying but it's a fact Bycycle does less damage than a horse . So with that said why not mind your business and hunt on its a dang bike and of all the forest service guys , wardens, and timber guys I've ran into they don't care as long as your pedaling
Post by: hunter399 on June 20, 2018, 10:24:20 PM
I have one question for everybody driving motor vehicles behind locked gates.If all the gates where to open for everybody would you still take your atv,electric bicycles, when there was about fifty pickup trucks in there.And pumpkin patches of people as far as the eye can see.
Bud 99 percent of our state is a patch already
Just saying but it's a fact Bycycle does less damage than a horse . So with that said why not mind your business and hunt on its a dang bike and of all the forest service guys , wardens, and timber guys I've ran into they don't care as long as your pedaling
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Your arguments are not unheard.But if you think about the bigger picture of no motorized vehicles has a lot to do with liability and insurance of timber company.Also safety of contractor's working behind locked gates.I'm sure somewhere in time some atv or even pickup,log truck,had a little run in .And hurt access for the rest of us.The soil ,tread lightly,gates locked to protect wildlife,is to make :tree1: feel better about all the timber taken.
It's a rule that kinda of all around win+win for the timber company's.
Now this topic or thread seems to be getting a little ugly,Respect property owners rules,you may get a ticket like it or not.It does hurt hunters access in the future ,soon the whole state will require access pass .
Done with topic , you all have a great nite.
Good luck on Draws .
Post by: kentrek on June 20, 2018, 10:55:34 PM
Post by: Dan-o on June 20, 2018, 11:13:31 PM
Some laws are better than others. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Story time !
I just got permission to hunt some private land .Land owner tells me that he has had so many problems keeping atv,and trespassers out , that don't be surprised to run into other people on his land.All his roads are gated locked and posted no hunting no tresspassing.So I asked him how many people have permission ,he says I'm the second person that has ever came to get permission.Then he asked me about a few landmarks and spots that where inside the gates ,i said I don't know cause I came to get permission first .He said go on in and hunt ,gave me permission,maps of the 600 acres.
Long story short,a little respect for someone property can go a long way.
Very outdated ethics on your part.
I read earlier that you're supposed to scoff at laws you don't like.
Not sure which laws you may think I have broken .But I don't think you know me personally.My ethics are better than most.
Apparently my sarcasm was too subtle.
I actually agree with you.
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 20, 2018, 11:32:35 PM
Some laws are better than others. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Story time !
I just got permission to hunt some private land .Land owner tells me that he has had so many problems keeping atv,and trespassers out , that don't be surprised to run into other people on his land.All his roads are gated locked and posted no hunting no tresspassing.So I asked him how many people have permission ,he says I'm the second person that has ever came to get permission.Then he asked me about a few landmarks and spots that where inside the gates ,i said I don't know cause I came to get permission first .He said go on in and hunt ,gave me permission,maps of the 600 acres.
Long story short,a little respect for someone property can go a long way.
Very outdated ethics on your part.
I read earlier that you're supposed to scoff at laws you don't like.
Not sure which laws you may think I have broken .But I don't think you know me personally.My ethics are better than most.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 21, 2018, 05:54:28 AM
So if it's about not having to work as hard as the guy who walks in I guess that means riding a horse should also be banned?
Horses aren't motorized. Pretty simple concept.
Post by: crazywednesday on June 21, 2018, 08:00:23 AM
The reality is a certain group of people saw an easy route and jumped at it.....invested the money because they saw a way around the hard work involved In reaching these nonmoterized areas.... and now the laws are catching up with the technology and sure enough your gona have to go back to busting your tail...as it should be...stop trying to justifying your laziness...your only cheating yourself
Fake news. Reasons for nonmotorized has nothing to do with difficulty of hunt otherwise horses would be banned.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 21, 2018, 08:15:08 AM
The reality is a certain group of people saw an easy route and jumped at it.....invested the money because they saw a way around the hard work involved In reaching these nonmoterized areas.... and now the laws are catching up with the technology and sure enough your gona have to go back to busting your tail...as it should be...stop trying to justifying your laziness...your only cheating yourself
Oooh, a mind reader. That's awesome. I wish I could determine someone's motivations just by reading their internet posts. :tup:
Post by: kentrek on June 21, 2018, 01:04:53 PM
The reality is a certain group of people saw an easy route and jumped at it.....invested the money because they saw a way around the hard work involved In reaching these nonmoterized areas.... and now the laws are catching up with the technology and sure enough your gona have to go back to busting your tail...as it should be...stop trying to justifying your laziness...your only cheating yourself
Oooh, a mind reader. That's awesome. I wish I could determine someone's motivations just by reading their internet posts. :tup:
Hey I'm usually almost perfect half the time I read minds....
Am I missing something tho ? I'm not talking about anybody in particular on this thread but just a broad view of most everyone who jumped at the idea of electric bikes for hunting in non motorized areas....what else could there motives be ??
Post by: kentrek on June 21, 2018, 01:06:05 PM
The reality is a certain group of people saw an easy route and jumped at it.....invested the money because they saw a way around the hard work involved In reaching these nonmoterized areas.... and now the laws are catching up with the technology and sure enough your gona have to go back to busting your tail...as it should be...stop trying to justifying your laziness...your only cheating yourself
Fake news. Reasons for nonmotorized has nothing to do with difficulty of hunt otherwise horses would be banned.
Lol you may be the only person I know who says horses arnt hard work
Post by: scoutdog346 on June 21, 2018, 01:54:53 PM
If it is illegal then it is not a good thing and it should not be done but if it is legal fully take advantage of it until the Law changes. that is what governs how i hunt and remember ethics are what we do when no one's looking nothing is worse than people pretending that they have better ethics then they really do I'm not saying that you're doing that im just sing I think there's a lot of people that post here and pretend that they have better ethics than they really do.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 21, 2018, 02:34:33 PM
The reality is a certain group of people saw an easy route and jumped at it.....invested the money because they saw a way around the hard work involved In reaching these nonmoterized areas.... and now the laws are catching up with the technology and sure enough your gona have to go back to busting your tail...as it should be...stop trying to justifying your laziness...your only cheating yourself
Oooh, a mind reader. That's awesome. I wish I could determine someone's motivations just by reading their internet posts. :tup:
Hey I'm usually almost perfect half the time I read minds....
Am I missing something tho ? I'm not talking about anybody in particular on this thread but just a broad view of most everyone who jumped at the idea of electric bikes for hunting in non motorized areas....what else could there motives be ??
Who knows and why does it matter? Maybe they're disabled and they'd like the same opportunity at a big bull as you. Maybe they want to get to a spot 5 miles up the road and then hike in 5 miles from there. But the broader point is that it doesn't matter what their motivation is. What matters is the legality of what they're doing and the support they get from the rest of the hunting community to hunt in a legal and ethical manner any way they want.
Post by: kentrek on June 21, 2018, 04:05:58 PM
I dont see any motives besides laziness....and I cant get behind that...I'm sorry :dunno:
If they're disable then I'd hate to find out what happens when that heavey man made motorized bike fails on them and they can't get out on there own power...pretty sure the courts already ruled on that one
Post by: Elkcollector82 on June 21, 2018, 04:30:41 PM
There motives behind why they want to take a motorized bike into a nonmoterized area would polly dictate if the hunting community or more importantly the general voting public supports them....
I dont see any motives besides laziness....and I cant get behind that...I'm sorry :dunno:
If they're disable then I'd hate to find out what happens when that heavey man made motorized bike fails on them and they can't get out on there own power...pretty sure the courts already ruled on that one
What happens to you when your not so lazy hunting tactics leave you stranded in backcountry or behind a lock gate. How you gonna get out on your own. Your answer is probably the same answer they would give. Just cause someone is handicapped doesn’t mean they live their life with limits. You might wanna keep your shallow minded thoughts to yourself.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 21, 2018, 06:51:48 PM
:bash:
Post by: Bullkllr on June 21, 2018, 06:56:46 PM
Gotta love how hunters will scream and yell about the anti's attacks, then turn and try and eat their own if it is something they don't understand or agree with, yet legal...
:bash:
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't have a problem where it's legal. It's just that most every management agency and major landowner has rules against it- and many are still trying to justify electric motors as fine. Where they're legal, (and I know of nowhere that's not open to other motor vehicles) go motor away.
Post by: Dan-o on June 21, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
Gotta love how hunters will scream and yell about the anti's attacks, then turn and try and eat their own if it is something they don't understand or agree with, yet legal...
:bash:
I don't think anyone is arguing against them where they are legal.
The argument is about using them where they are illegal, and some guys saying mind your own business. If I walk in because it's the legal way, and someone electric bikes in illegally, I'm not OK with that.
Post by: bobcat on June 21, 2018, 11:52:47 PM
Gotta love how hunters will scream and yell about the anti's attacks, then turn and try and eat their own if it is something they don't understand or agree with, yet legal...
:bash:
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't have a problem where it's legal. It's just that most every management agency and major landowner has rules against it- and many are still trying to justify electric motors as fine. Where they're legal, (and I know of nowhere that's not open to other motor vehicles) go motor away.
:yeah:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 22, 2018, 09:26:36 AM
Gotta love how hunters will scream and yell about the anti's attacks, then turn and try and eat their own if it is something they don't understand or agree with, yet legal...
:bash:
I don't think anyone is arguing against them where they are legal.
The argument is about using them where they are illegal, and some guys saying mind your own business. If I walk in because it's the legal way, and someone electric bikes in illegally, I'm not OK with that.
No arguement about that, if legal = good to go, not legal should get reported. Because it does reflect badly on all hunters, and things like that get trotted out as examples which are used to reduce or eliminate opporutunity or access.
And yes, the largest portion of comments have been directed to that. But a statement was made that using an electric bike was due to laziness unless disabled.
I just don't see how that is in any way supportive of another hunter's legal chosen method of pursuit. It seems like there cannot be a subject talking about different methods that doesn't end up with "Your way isn't my way, so you are DOING IT WRONG!" or "That is just being lazy and not real hunting, because REAL hunting is hiking miles and miles and miles, up hill both ways..."
It gets tiresome, why is it so hard to not degrade another hunter's legal choice of method or pursuit? You don't have to agree just because, but it would be nice to not see the eventual negative posts like in my examples.
Sorry if my initial post seemed out of hat, just cannot understand why it is necessary to make statements that belittle a fellow hunter's legal choice of method or style.
Post by: kentrek on June 22, 2018, 11:17:29 AM
You read what you wanted to
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 22, 2018, 05:02:46 PM
The reality is a certain group of people saw an easy route and jumped at it.....invested the money because they saw a way around the hard work involved In reaching these nonmoterized areas.... and now the laws are catching up with the technology and sure enough your gona have to go back to busting your tail...as it should be...stop trying to justifying your laziness...your only cheating yourself
Oooh, a mind reader. That's awesome. I wish I could determine someone's motivations just by reading their internet posts. :tup:There motives behind why they want to take a motorized bike into a nonmoterized area would polly dictate if the hunting community or more importantly the general voting public supports them....
I dont see any motives besides laziness....and I cant get behind that...I'm sorry :dunno:
If they're disable then I'd hate to find out what happens when that heavey man made motorized bike fails on them and they can't get out on there own power...pretty sure the courts already ruled on that one
Hey I'm usually almost perfect half the time I read minds....
Am I missing something tho ? I'm not talking about anybody in particular on this thread but just a broad view of most everyone who jumped at the idea of electric bikes for hunting in non motorized areas....what else could there motives be ??
If I mis-read these particular comments, I appologize.
But it dosen't take away from the fact that it happens way more than it should in hot topics like this...
Post by: CBP1888 on June 22, 2018, 08:17:22 PM
In the end I purchased a carbon mountain bike that probably weighs 22lbs. I can ride a long distance and is not to bad pushing up hills. I can also pick it up and drag off the path easily and chain to a tree. A 60+lb bike would be a pain in the butt to take off the main road and hide. The thought of leaving a $3,000 electric bike unattended also makes me nervous.
Now let’s talk about the more important issues:
Should I lose sleep if I don’t Clip the barb on my hook when the natives, commercial trollers, and seals are fishing the same area as me ?
Why is a single shot pistol (TC Contender) not allowed in a firearm restricted area?
Post by: kentrek on June 22, 2018, 08:48:32 PM
If you choose to break the law by riding your motor bike into a NONmoterized area, then yes I think your lazy...your only kidding your self if you think otherwise
Usually people break the law because of the extra effort it takes to be legal
Side note...
People need to beware what they wish for with accessibility of lands....atm these bikes are pretty spendy which eliminates alot ot people that can afford them which inturn still provides you with the remote experience, but these bikes will come down in price and be much more accessible to all the people your trying to get away from in the first place...keep things hard in these NONmotorized areas...make people work for it...theres plenty of other places to go if they want to use a motor and I have no problem with that what so ever...I enjoy a few of those places myself
Good luck this fall
Post by: rtspring on June 22, 2018, 08:54:01 PM
So sounds to me people are being called lazy, just because they didnt walk 200 miles and wear out three pairs of boots. Holy smokes, I guess I'm lazy!
Shot 60 yards off the road! And I would do it over and over and over again if given the chance..
Please show me one time I called you lazy for driving a truck in a legal area....you even had a busted ankle if I remember correctly...sounds like an awesome hunt...I've had more then a few just like it
My bad! I jumped the gun on that one!!!
Post by: kentrek on June 22, 2018, 08:57:18 PM
So sounds to me people are being called lazy, just because they didnt walk 200 miles and wear out three pairs of boots. Holy smokes, I guess I'm lazy!
Shot 60 yards off the road! And I would do it over and over and over again if given the chance..
Please show me one time I called you lazy for driving a truck in a legal area....you even had a busted ankle if I remember correctly...sounds like an awesome hunt...I've had more then a few just like it
My bad! I jumped the gun on that one!!!
No worries, I deleted my post as well :tup:
Post by: rtspring on June 22, 2018, 09:01:54 PM
I'd rather have a guy cruise past on a electric bike than a damn atv after I hiked many a mile.
Post by: Dan-o on June 23, 2018, 12:21:19 AM
Gotta love how hunters will scream and yell about the anti's attacks, then turn and try and eat their own if it is something they don't understand or agree with, yet legal...
:bash:
I don't think anyone is arguing against them where they are legal.
The argument is about using them where they are illegal, and some guys saying mind your own business. If I walk in because it's the legal way, and someone electric bikes in illegally, I'm not OK with that.
No arguement about that, if legal = good to go, not legal should get reported. Because it does reflect badly on all hunters, and things like that get trotted out as examples which are used to reduce or eliminate opporutunity or access.
And yes, the largest portion of comments have been directed to that. But a statement was made that using an electric bike was due to laziness unless disabled.
I just don't see how that is in any way supportive of another hunter's legal chosen method of pursuit. It seems like there cannot be a subject talking about different methods that doesn't end up with "Your way isn't my way, so you are DOING IT WRONG!" or "That is just being lazy and not real hunting, because REAL hunting is hiking miles and miles and miles, up hill both ways..."
It gets tiresome, why is it so hard to not degrade another hunter's legal choice of method or pursuit? You don't have to agree just because, but it would be nice to not see the eventual negative posts like in my examples.
Sorry if my initial post seemed out of hat, just cannot understand why it is necessary to make statements that belittle a fellow hunter's legal choice of method or style.
Agreed.
Heck I use bait for Steelhead where legal. Some guys think that's no good.
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2018, 11:33:51 AM
Gotta love how hunters will scream and yell about the anti's attacks, then turn and try and eat their own if it is something they don't understand or agree with, yet legal...
:bash:
I don't think anyone is arguing against them where they are legal.
The argument is about using them where they are illegal, and some guys saying mind your own business. If I walk in because it's the legal way, and someone electric bikes in illegally, I'm not OK with that.
No arguement about that, if legal = good to go, not legal should get reported. Because it does reflect badly on all hunters, and things like that get trotted out as examples which are used to reduce or eliminate opporutunity or access.
And yes, the largest portion of comments have been directed to that. But a statement was made that using an electric bike was due to laziness unless disabled.
I just don't see how that is in any way supportive of another hunter's legal chosen method of pursuit. It seems like there cannot be a subject talking about different methods that doesn't end up with "Your way isn't my way, so you are DOING IT WRONG!" or "That is just being lazy and not real hunting, because REAL hunting is hiking miles and miles and miles, up hill both ways..."
It gets tiresome, why is it so hard to not degrade another hunter's legal choice of method or pursuit? You don't have to agree just because, but it would be nice to not see the eventual negative posts like in my examples.
Sorry if my initial post seemed out of hat, just cannot understand why it is necessary to make statements that belittle a fellow hunter's legal choice of method or style.
Agreed.
Heck I use bait for Steelhead where legal. Some guys think that's no good.
How dare you! :chuckle:
Post by: Pegasus on July 12, 2018, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on July 12, 2018, 08:59:50 PM
I remember when ATV's were a new invention. Every hunter despised them. Now they are everywhere legal or not and a lot more hunters own them. These guys that have the new buggies are a real pain now driving fifty miles an hour on and off the dirt roads and trails. There are dirt bikes everywhere. You guys are upset about E-bikes? I just bought one to get around with. It is pedal assisting which means you have to still pedal. Its 750 watts and can't go over 20 MPH so the state considers it a bicycle and not a motorized vehicle. I missed seven years of hunting over various health issues and last year was my first year back. Had to switch from archery to modern which is not my first choice but you do what ever you have to do. I view the E-bikes as a lot less damaging then a horse and they are a lot cheaper. Yes they will allow more people back into areas that most have to hire an outfitter for if allowed and I guess those that make a living selling horse rides will lobby against them. The bikes are clean, quiet and don't contaminate the environment like horses.Did you just say a bike with an electric motor and I would assume a battery cell of some sort leaves less of an impact on the environment than a horse? You do know that horses used to, and in some areas still do, roam North America as wild animals right?
Post by: Pegasus on July 13, 2018, 06:45:14 AM
I remember when ATV's were a new invention. Every hunter despised them. Now they are everywhere legal or not and a lot more hunters own them. These guys that have the new buggies are a real pain now driving fifty miles an hour on and off the dirt roads and trails. There are dirt bikes everywhere. You guys are upset about E-bikes? I just bought one to get around with. It is pedal assisting which means you have to still pedal. Its 750 watts and can't go over 20 MPH so the state considers it a bicycle and not a motorized vehicle. I missed seven years of hunting over various health issues and last year was my first year back. Had to switch from archery to modern which is not my first choice but you do what ever you have to do. I view the E-bikes as a lot less damaging then a horse and they are a lot cheaper. Yes they will allow more people back into areas that most have to hire an outfitter for if allowed and I guess those that make a living selling horse rides will lobby against them. The bikes are clean, quiet and don't contaminate the environment like horses.Did you just say a bike with an electric motor and I would assume a battery cell of some sort leaves less of an impact on the environment than a horse? You do know that horses used to, and in some areas still do, roam North America as wild animals right?
Yes I am aware that they roam wild in areas where they are rounded up and removed to stave off damage to fragile ecosystems.
Post by: Tenderfoot on July 13, 2018, 09:35:11 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on July 13, 2018, 09:45:01 AM
I talked with Hancock rep and they don't allow them.Neither do Weyco, Campbell, DNR, USFS, and those are just the ones I have personally checked on.
Guess that doesn't stop some people.
Again, cool idea if the area you are in allows them; I just don't know of many that do.
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on July 13, 2018, 10:45:22 AM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on July 13, 2018, 11:48:48 AM
Post by: scoutdog346 on July 16, 2018, 05:31:39 AM
Thinking about investing in an electric mountain bike. Having surgery on my left ankle and I'm not going to be able to walk as far as I used to ever again and need something to compensate a little bit what do you guys think is the likelihood of them outlawing electric mountain bikes behind gated roads in western Washington walk-in only areas in the years to come? ( my injury will not pass the permanent disability wdfw)
Post by: floatinghat on July 17, 2018, 11:25:31 AM
Post by: dmoua on July 17, 2018, 03:07:18 PM
Sure glad I don't hunt the wetside!!! Jesus, the me me me world is running rampant..
It's the same on the east side.
Post by: gaddy on July 17, 2018, 06:48:04 PM
I understand both sides here, and motorized means motorized, end of story. Just don't hate on a guy for trying to find access to the same areas as you If possible with in legal limits.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on July 17, 2018, 06:56:00 PM
scoutdog346, I hear you. Over my life I have had both knees operated on, after years of work, my feet aren't as good as they used to be. There are places I used to hunt that have been gated or reclaimed. Miles and miles of area I used to roam that have been basically shut off from me, there is no way I could hike in there anymore. If it were legal I would also seek out a way to get in there. For those younger folks, and those that have not suffered an injury yet in your life causing some limited mobility--I hope in the future you are not the ones lobbing for extended range 4x4 electric golf carts.
I understand both sides here, and motorized means motorized, end of story. Just don't hate on a guy for trying to find access to the same areas as you If possible with in legal limits.
If it’s legal and someone passed me on one. I’d be jealous/frustrated. Jealous cause he has one and I don’t. Frustrated cause it just means I gotta leave from the gate a lot earlier to beat the person back there.
Post by: 3dvapor on July 17, 2018, 07:54:59 PM
Post by: Pegasus on July 17, 2018, 08:37:56 PM
scoutdog346, I hear you. Over my life I have had both knees operated on, after years of work, my feet aren't as good as they used to be. There are places I used to hunt that have been gated or reclaimed. Miles and miles of area I used to roam that have been basically shut off from me, there is no way I could hike in there anymore. If it were legal I would also seek out a way to get in there. For those younger folks, and those that have not suffered an injury yet in your life causing some limited mobility--I hope in the future you are not the ones lobbing for extended range 4x4 electric golf carts.
I understand both sides here, and motorized means motorized, end of story. Just don't hate on a guy for trying to find access to the same areas as you If possible with in legal limits.
Maybe you should petition the WDFW to issue special permits for the disabled to ride pedal-assisted bikes anywhere you want to hunt.
Post by: hunter399 on July 17, 2018, 08:48:30 PM
Before you know someone on a motorized bike will get hit by a log truck or something ,wreck there bike with injuries and blame road conditions, just anything.Then nobody will be allowed behind the gate ,it's only a matter of time ,it's a liability. :twocents:
Post by: cem3434 on July 17, 2018, 09:38:43 PM
I don't think a lot of people understand why the hunting is so much better behind the gate.Maybe it's because motorized vehicles are not allowed.Always a few that have to hurt it for the rest of us.
Before you know someone on a motorized bike will get hit by a log truck or something ,wreck there bike with injuries and blame road conditions, just anything.Then nobody will be allowed behind the gate ,it's only a matter of time ,it's a liability. :twocents:
While I'm not in support of using electric bikes in areas that are closed to motorized vehicles, I think you're being a little ignorant with your point. That thought process could be used for locking out any bike, game cart or simply a hiker because someone could hurt themselves behind locked gates.
Post by: 7mmfan on July 18, 2018, 08:15:36 AM
I don't think a lot of people understand why the hunting is so much better behind the gate.Maybe it's because motorized vehicles are not allowed.Always a few that have to hurt it for the rest of us.
Before you know someone on a motorized bike will get hit by a log truck or something ,wreck there bike with injuries and blame road conditions, just anything.Then nobody will be allowed behind the gate ,it's only a matter of time ,it's a liability. :twocents:
While I'm not in support of using electric bikes in areas that are closed to motorized vehicles, I think you're being a little ignorant with your point. That thought process could be used for locking out any bike, game cart or simply a hiker because someone could hurt themselves behind locked gates.
Weyerhauser did it in North Puget Sound last year because of a near collision between a logging truck and a hunter. What would stop DNR from doing it?
Post by: Pegasus on July 18, 2018, 08:53:01 AM
If i walk in a spot that says no motorized vehicles n u go blowing bye on a e bike...theres no telling what I'd do, lol I am unstable af...just follow the rules n there shouldn't b a problem....level playing field
Hopefully you are not allowed to own or carry a firearm...
Post by: hunter399 on July 18, 2018, 09:02:28 AM
I think your injury rate is 20× more likely of getting hurt, or in a collision with authorized vehicles,than if your walking ,hiking, or horseback riding.I don't think a lot of people understand why the hunting is so much better behind the gate.Maybe it's because motorized vehicles are not allowed.Always a few that have to hurt it for the rest of us.
Before you know someone on a motorized bike will get hit by a log truck or something ,wreck there bike with injuries and blame road conditions, just anything.Then nobody will be allowed behind the gate ,it's only a matter of time ,it's a liability. :twocents:
While I'm not in support of using electric bikes in areas that are closed to motorized vehicles, I think you're being a little ignorant with your point. That thought process could be used for locking out any bike, game cart or simply a hiker because someone could hurt themselves behind locked gates.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 18, 2018, 09:17:36 AM
As sad as it is access is becoming a huge problem in the hunting community. Not saying illegal is ok, but I think a lot of people are choosing technology to get an advantage. When I think of a motor I think of a loud, gas burning motor. But, like always we should know the laws..
I'd rather have a guy cruise past on a electric bike than a damn atv after I hiked many a mile.
There aren't degrees of illegal. Either it is or it isn't. You and I rarely disagree on anything RT and I respect your opinion and value the benefit of your experience that you often share with us, either one-on-one or in the forum. I suggest that whether it's an electric bike or a bigfoot Ford, if it's illegal then you're going to tick someone off by doing it, whether that's another hunter who's hiked in 5 miles to get away from the crush or a hiker who'll now lump all hunters into the same category of ignorant rednecks who don't care what the law says. But this goes along with other rules we have when we hunt. Littering, poaching, using the wrong method, whatever. We should be policing each other to make sure hunting has a good image and everyone has a fair shake in the woods. This is why illegal access with motorized vehicles is such a hot button. It should be for all hunters, IMHO.
For all of you that will ask "Do you speed in your car?" Yes, I've broken the law while driving. But, when it comes to hunting, I'm a complete boy scout. I expect the same from every licensed hunter.
Post by: Peewee on July 18, 2018, 11:56:06 AM