Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 21, 2018, 04:58:09 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on June 21, 2018, 04:59:39 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 21, 2018, 05:01:44 PM
Post by: westside Elkhunter on June 21, 2018, 05:02:15 PM
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Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 21, 2018, 05:02:51 PM
licensing@dfw.wa.gov
Post by: _TONY_ on June 21, 2018, 05:04:55 PM
Post by: bugs n bones on June 21, 2018, 05:05:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 21, 2018, 05:08:07 PM
Post by: sled on June 21, 2018, 05:10:20 PM
Doesn't matter if you got an email or not. The results are still valid. When you apply you have to select whether you want an email notification or not. Maybe you didn't check the box.. I checked all the boxes and got two out of 10 emails😢
Post by: Greg Mullins on June 21, 2018, 05:10:52 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 21, 2018, 05:12:46 PM
Doesn't matter if you got an email or not. The results are still valid. When you apply you have to select whether you want an email notification or not. Maybe you didn't check the box.. I checked all the boxes and got two out of 10 emails😢
Okay, but I'm not understanding why it matters? It has nothing to do with whether you drew or not.
Post by: elkaholic123 on June 21, 2018, 05:13:47 PM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!Are you for real :dunno:
Post by: jdb on June 21, 2018, 05:13:53 PM
Post by: Mallardmasher on June 21, 2018, 05:25:52 PM
Post by: ne kid on June 21, 2018, 05:31:50 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 21, 2018, 05:56:38 PM
Post by: JWBINX on June 21, 2018, 06:13:07 PM
Post by: JoeE on June 21, 2018, 06:14:42 PM
Post by: Broker on June 21, 2018, 06:28:49 PM
Between my kid and I we put in for around 18 tags, we drew nothing.
I have 20pts for sheep, 19 for moose and all I drew was a wolf tag. :bash:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 21, 2018, 06:40:14 PM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!Are you for real :dunno:
You betcha partner. Just as real as those THREE guys last year that didn’t get submitted properly for spring bear. Resulted in a complete re-draw for the entire state!
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on June 21, 2018, 06:45:22 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 21, 2018, 06:49:58 PM
Wait...it does that every year...
Post by: millerwheeler on June 21, 2018, 06:54:38 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 21, 2018, 06:56:32 PM
I remember when a certain person was whining about the spring bear fiasco
Well if it looks like a Skunk and smells like a Skunk....Just callin it like it is....
May be considered whining to those that consider the facts to be a bad thing... :chuckle:
Post by: JWEBB on June 21, 2018, 06:57:09 PM
I remember when a certain person was whining about the spring bear fiasco
Whining??? Seriously grow up
Post by: idahohuntr on June 21, 2018, 07:11:52 PM
Wheres you're proof that someone wasn't submitted properly? I only got 4 emails and should have had a dozen. But I drew a tag for a category I received no email...so as previously stated, there is no connection between emails and an invalid draw.Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!Are you for real :dunno:
You betcha partner. Just as real as those THREE guys last year that didn’t get submitted properly for spring bear. Resulted in a complete re-draw for the entire state!
Post by: Mfowl on June 21, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 21, 2018, 07:20:38 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 21, 2018, 07:20:49 PM
I struck out with 19 points on moose, Goat, Ram And quality elk, ghost point for Bull elk. Sorta numbed I finally drew a multi season elk after 9 years and notta, but I did draw a Kitsap Quality buck tag with 1 point. So all is not lost.
Thats why ghost points make no sense. Cuts draw odds in half
Post by: HookedOnQuack on June 21, 2018, 07:25:47 PM
I didn't receive emails, my kid got two emails, both for youth hunts.
Between my kid and I we put in for around 18 tags, we drew nothing.
I have 20pts for sheep, 19 for moose and all I drew was a wolf tag. :bash:
My boy and I also went 0-18 but I was topped out at 12 points in my catagories. Losers Lounge once again, may need a new bottle of Pendleton before the night is over! On a positive note my cousin drew Wenaha East Quality Archery Bull!
Post by: LongBomb on June 21, 2018, 07:27:26 PM
Post by: syoungs on June 21, 2018, 07:31:13 PM
I struck out with 19 points on moose, Goat, Ram And quality elk, ghost point for Bull elk. Sorta numbed I finally drew a multi season elk after 9 years and notta, but I did draw a Kitsap Quality buck tag with 1 point. So all is not lost.
Thats why ghost points make no sense. Cuts draw odds in half
Makes sense to those of us that wouldn't be able to hunt the specific season we want to put in for. There was no chance I could hunt the elk hunts I would hope to draw this year, ghost hunt allowed me to still gain a point, without risking loosing my points by drawing without being able to use the tag :dunno:
Post by: Dan-o on June 21, 2018, 07:33:38 PM
I struck out with 19 points on moose, Goat, Ram And quality elk, ghost point for Bull elk. Sorta numbed I finally drew a multi season elk after 9 years and notta, but I did draw a Kitsap Quality buck tag with 1 point. So all is not lost.
Thats why ghost points make no sense. Cuts draw odds in half
Makes sense to those of us that wouldn't be able to hunt the specific season we want to put in for. There was no chance I could hunt the elk hunts I would hope to draw this year, ghost hunt allowed me to still gain a point, without risking loosing my points by drawing without being able to use the tag :dunno:
:yeah:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 21, 2018, 07:35:50 PM
Wheres you're proof that someone wasn't submitted properly? I only got 4 emails and should have had a dozen. But I drew a tag for a category I received no email...so as previously stated, there is no connection between emails and an invalid draw.Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!Are you for real :dunno:
You betcha partner. Just as real as those THREE guys last year that didn’t get submitted properly for spring bear. Resulted in a complete re-draw for the entire state!
I have absolutely no proof at all and no way to find out proper, and that is a big part of the problem my friend. The system is absolute crap. Shutouts, lockdowns, no access, disabled features, random emails... The list goes on and on and on. It was supposed to be done and done and done by early this morning from what I had read in the “disclaimer notice” that automatically popped up on the site. Shouldn’t even need a goofy notice like that; obviously posted because they know how screwed up their system is in the first place and are trying to cover their behinds!
Post by: NorseNW on June 21, 2018, 07:41:40 PM
No idea why states think this is a good idea. Cluster no matter how you look at it.
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 21, 2018, 07:43:28 PM
I remember when a certain person was whining about the spring bear fiasco
Whining??? Seriously grow up
It was more tongue in cheek than I guess it seemed. :dunno:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 21, 2018, 07:51:38 PM
Again I have taken action on this and emailed WDFW as in the OP. This is my only course at this point having no way of knowing what went down as my special permit section is disabled as everyone else’s was and I received no email even though the results are supposed to be in by now (what a backwards workaround the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen IT department needs to be fired).
1 The drawing needs to take place,
2 Results in the system ready to rock ‘n’ roll,
3 then the emails go out to everyone, simple as that.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 21, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
I remember when a certain person was whining about the spring bear fiasco
Whining??? Seriously grow up
It was more tongue in cheek than I guess it seemed. :dunno:
Every day Jonathan I have nightmares when I go to sleep about the great spring bear draw fiasco/tragedy of 2017. I am seeing a counselor...... :'(
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 21, 2018, 07:56:48 PM
I look at the email thing as lose-lose situation the way they had it set up. Should have just sent out one email like tomorrow morning saying, “hey draws were ran” and nothing more
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 21, 2018, 07:57:48 PM
I remember when a certain person was whining about the spring bear fiasco
Whining??? Seriously grow up
It was more tongue in cheek than I guess it seemed. :dunno:
Every day Jonathan I have nightmares when I go to sleep about the great spring bear draw fiasco of 2017. I am seeing a counselor...... :'(
:chuckle: sounds good man
Post by: borntoslay on June 21, 2018, 07:57:57 PM
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Post by: hunter399 on June 21, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
Oh ya didn't draw nothing they suck. :brew:
Post by: baker5150 on June 21, 2018, 08:11:30 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on June 21, 2018, 08:18:02 PM
I certainly agree that the rollout was messy...worse than any state I've ever seen, most of which have far higher tag and applicant numbers to deal with. I think they need to simplify and improve their communications. Don't do all these emails...post an occasional update to social media, keep everything locked down until the results are published and validated. :dunno:Wheres you're proof that someone wasn't submitted properly? I only got 4 emails and should have had a dozen. But I drew a tag for a category I received no email...so as previously stated, there is no connection between emails and an invalid draw.Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!Are you for real :dunno:
You betcha partner. Just as real as those THREE guys last year that didn’t get submitted properly for spring bear. Resulted in a complete re-draw for the entire state!
I have absolutely no proof at all and no way to find out proper, and that is a big part of the problem my friend. The system is absolute crap. Shutouts, lockdowns, no access, disabled features, random emails... The list goes on and on and on. It was supposed to be done and done and done by early this morning from what I had read in the “disclaimer notice” that automatically popped up on the site. Shouldn’t even need a goofy notice like that; obviously posted because they know how screwed up their system is in the first place and are trying to cover their behinds!
Post by: Curly on June 21, 2018, 08:33:31 PM
I agree, they should just send one notification email saying the draw is done and you can check results at x date and time.
Anyway, if wdfw is reading ......thanks for finally letting me draw. ps - I'm still not sorry about all the bad things I said in the past about Dave Ware and his idiotic multi category scheme. :) :twocents:
Post by: Jimmer on June 21, 2018, 08:36:28 PM
Post by: JWEBB on June 21, 2018, 09:32:38 PM
I drew 5 of 8 categories.. hope it’s right.
Pretty positive your the luckiest person in WA
Post by: Mfowl on June 21, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
I drew 5 of 8 categories.. hope it’s right.
Pretty positive your the luckiest person in WA
Do tell...
Post by: buglebrush on June 21, 2018, 10:53:18 PM
Post by: JWEBB on June 21, 2018, 11:14:03 PM
I got no emails, and no permits...
Doesn’t matter to me because I have no faith in our broken system but I only got 1 email out of 8 draws I put in for
Post by: fishngamereaper on June 22, 2018, 02:10:28 AM
If someone can prove their name wasn't in the hat I would say ask for a few extra bonus points and move on. A full re draw is kind of selfish.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 22, 2018, 05:23:43 AM
Post by: Falcon on June 22, 2018, 06:16:50 AM
That email means absolutely nothing.
:yeah:
I’m pretty sure this post was meant to just be funny. The dude can’t be seriuos :yike:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 22, 2018, 08:07:07 AM
I don't think a re draw is reasonable. That would extend this mess out till August. I only got a couple emails, and didn't get one for the tag i drew. Also didn't get emails for all the oils, which I didn't draw with 21 points. But im assuming my name was in the hat and not drawing was more about poor odds than no email.
If someone can prove their name wasn't in the hat I would say ask for a few extra bonus points and move on. A full re draw is kind of selfish.
Honestly man, I don't think a redraw would be fair either. The title and my comment "I SHALL DEMAND A REDRAW!!!!!" :chuckle: :chuckle: was in reference to the spring bear draw of 2017 when WDFW decided to redraw the ENTIRE STATE because THREE hunters got accidentally left out through not submitting their applications right or some goofy reason like that. Some friends of mine actually SAW that they were awarded tags on the stupid computer site, only to have them DISAPPEAR minutes later. WDFW said it was "the only fair thing to do..." It just gets worse and worse every year! :bash:
Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2018, 08:13:18 AM
Post by: throttlejocky20 on June 22, 2018, 09:12:57 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 22, 2018, 09:33:53 AM
I don't think a re draw is reasonable. That would extend this mess out till August. I only got a couple emails, and didn't get one for the tag i drew. Also didn't get emails for all the oils, which I didn't draw with 21 points. But im assuming my name was in the hat and not drawing was more about poor odds than no email.
If someone can prove their name wasn't in the hat I would say ask for a few extra bonus points and move on. A full re draw is kind of selfish.
Honestly man, I don't think a redraw would be fair either. The title and my comment "I SHALL DEMAND A REDRAW!!!!!" :chuckle: :chuckle: was in reference to the spring bear draw of 2017 when WDFW decided to redraw the ENTIRE STATE because THREE hunters got accidentally left out through not submitting their applications right or some goofy reason like that. Some friends of mine actually SAW that they were awarded tags on the stupid computer site, only to have them DISAPPEAR minutes later. WDFW said it was "the only fair thing to do..." It just gets worse and worse every year! :bash:
I am curious how that was an accident if the applicants did not do their submissions correctly? It kinda sounds like a case of everyone should get a trophy just because they showed-up, no matter what they did or didn't contribute.
Sorry if I am missing something...
Post by: BigBerthaB on June 22, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 22, 2018, 10:30:08 AM
I don't think a re draw is reasonable. That would extend this mess out till August. I only got a couple emails, and didn't get one for the tag i drew. Also didn't get emails for all the oils, which I didn't draw with 21 points. But im assuming my name was in the hat and not drawing was more about poor odds than no email.
If someone can prove their name wasn't in the hat I would say ask for a few extra bonus points and move on. A full re draw is kind of selfish.
Honestly man, I don't think a redraw would be fair either. The title and my comment "I SHALL DEMAND A REDRAW!!!!!" :chuckle: :chuckle: was in reference to the spring bear draw of 2017 when WDFW decided to redraw the ENTIRE STATE because THREE hunters got accidentally left out through not submitting their applications right or some goofy reason like that. Some friends of mine actually SAW that they were awarded tags on the stupid computer site, only to have them DISAPPEAR minutes later. WDFW said it was "the only fair thing to do..." It just gets worse and worse every year! :bash:
I am curious how that was an accident if the applicants did not do their submissions correctly? It kinda sounds like a case of everyone should get a trophy just because they showed-up, no matter what they did or didn't contribute.
Sorry if I am missing something...
I was just wording it the way it was reported by WDFW at the time; should have put "accident" in quotations. Don't shoot the messenger! Personally I'm a "go big or go home" kinda guy if you haven't figured that out by now 8). In my humble opinion if those dudes screwed-up and didn't submit their applications properly, then it's their problem and it shouldn't have resulted in a redraw. This punished everyone else in the entire state that saw that they had tags only to get them ripped away minutes later.... These guys should have been left out of it for their own stupidity or at best given ghost points.
Again just trying to point out all the faulty logic by WDFW in response to a completely worthless computer system. Lockdowns, shutdowns, overloads, disabled features, redraws over 3 idiots ("accidents happen and we gotta be fair to EVERYONE" :chuckle: :chuckle:), disclaimer notices, random inappropriate emails and overall seriously bad timing.
Post by: huntnnw on June 22, 2018, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: JWEBB on June 22, 2018, 10:50:36 AM
I agree the email for every category was ridiculous. But from what I read and understood was they where to publish and send out an email for every category starting early 6/21 then when every category was ran they would open back up the links for "special hunts" and "points". Some people misunderstood and thought results would be first thing on the 21st. I think the public causes more of a fiasco then wdfw. Don't get me wrong they laid it out quite stupidly but as far as I could see they did excalty what they said they would. As far as receiving or not receiving a conformation didn't mean anything as you had an option to opt in or not to receive an email. My family and I applied for 20 different categories and only received conformation emails on 7 but we won tags from the other categories.
I have to disagree. This is all on wdfw. Their system is so flawed that they create this “fiasco” all on their own. It’s honestly a joke how they run the draw. For how much money we give them the system should be far better. By the way, welcome to the forum!
Post by: yakimanoob on June 22, 2018, 11:31:57 AM
Doesn't matter if you got an email or not. The results are still valid. When you apply you have to select whether you want an email notification or not. Maybe you didn't check the box.
Or maybe you dont know wth your talking about, quit bashing people like you own the wdfw. Unreal that you are a mod. Just cause people wanna complain don't make you judge and jury you.
Bahahaha.
You're making me feel good about my choice of school. War Eagle!
Post by: BigBerthaB on June 22, 2018, 12:14:19 PM
I agree the email for every category was ridiculous. But from what I read and understood was they where to publish and send out an email for every category starting early 6/21 then when every category was ran they would open back up the links for "special hunts" and "points". Some people misunderstood and thought results would be first thing on the 21st. I think the public causes more of a fiasco then wdfw. Don't get me wrong they laid it out quite stupidly but as far as I could see they did excalty what they said they would. As far as receiving or not receiving a conformation didn't mean anything as you had an option to opt in or not to receive an email. My family and I applied for 20 different categories and only received conformation emails on 7 but we won tags from the other categories.
I have to disagree. This is all on wdfw. Their system is so flawed that they create this “fiasco” all on their own. It’s honestly a joke how they run the draw. For how much money we give them the system should be far better. By the way, welcome to the forum!
Thanks for the welcoming. I agree with what your saying. There's just alot of people out there who think just because they didn't get drawn it's rigged and faulty. There's been times I haven't been drawn for three years but there's been times I won the same cow tag three years in a row. I don't usually win as I apply for mostly trophy hunts or what I feel are trophy hunts. People need to do the math you most likely will never see a big horn tag even with 20 points. Some of these quality hunts or once in a life time hunts take years and years to get and you may never get them or you might get lucky and win your first year. Last year my whole group about ten of us didn't win a single draw the year before seemed like we all won two or three. It really is just luck. The crappy thing is win you win your quality and you bull hunt and lose point in one of them. Thanks again for the welcoming I been on here for years just reading should of registered along time ago
Post by: SteelheadTed on June 22, 2018, 01:09:16 PM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!
Based on what facts? That you *feel* it's wrong? You really need some facts before you can insist there was something wrong with the draw. A lack of emails is not proof of a bad draw. It only proves one of two things, you didn't select to get the emails or the email system didn't send them all out.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 22, 2018, 01:53:03 PM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!
Based on what facts? That you *feel* it's wrong? You really need some facts before you can insist there was something wrong with the draw. A lack of emails is not proof of a bad draw. It only proves one of two things, you didn't select to get the emails or the email system didn't send them all out.
Keep reading, my friend - we've already hashed this out...
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 22, 2018, 01:55:29 PM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!
Based on what facts? That you *feel* it's wrong? You really need some facts before you can insist there was something wrong with the draw. A lack of emails is not proof of a bad draw. It only proves one of two things, you didn't select to get the emails or the email system didn't send them all out.
Responded to Idahohunter yesterday:
I have absolutely no proof at all and no way to find out proper, and that is a big part of the problem my friend. The system is absolute crap. Shutouts, lockdowns, no access, disabled features, random emails... The list goes on and on and on. It was supposed to be done and done and done by early this morning from what I had read in the “disclaimer notice” that automatically popped up on the site. Shouldn’t even need a goofy notice like that; obviously posted because they know how screwed up their system is in the first place and are trying to cover their behinds!
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 23, 2018, 06:59:07 PM
Official response from "WILDTHING.dfw" :chuckle:
I WAS entered into the drawing and I WAS NOT selected. They asked me to check and make sure (like others did on the forum as well) that my account was set to receive email responses. It was selected prior to the draw and I did check my junk/spam folders...again I won't hash out the obvious any further.... :tdown:
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 23, 2018, 07:07:36 PM
UPDATE:
Official response from "WILDTHING.dfw" :chuckle:
I WAS entered into the drawing and I WAS NOT selected. They asked me to check and make sure (like others did on the forum as well) that my account was set to receive email responses. It was selected prior to the draw and I did check my junk/spam folders...again I won't hash out the obvious any further.... :tdown:
We are out to get you.....
Post by: JoeE on June 23, 2018, 07:48:20 PM
Post by: SteelheadTed on June 23, 2018, 08:44:36 PM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!
Based on what facts? That you *feel* it's wrong? You really need some facts before you can insist there was something wrong with the draw. A lack of emails is not proof of a bad draw. It only proves one of two things, you didn't select to get the emails or the email system didn't send them all out.
Responded to Idahohunter yesterday:
I have absolutely no proof at all and no way to find out proper, and that is a big part of the problem my friend. The system is absolute crap. Shutouts, lockdowns, no access, disabled features, random emails... The list goes on and on and on. It was supposed to be done and done and done by early this morning from what I had read in the “disclaimer notice” that automatically popped up on the site. Shouldn’t even need a goofy notice like that; obviously posted because they know how screwed up their system is in the first place and are trying to cover their behinds!
But poor communication is likely just that, poor communication.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 23, 2018, 09:40:59 PM
UPDATE:
Official response from "WILDTHING.dfw" :chuckle:
I WAS entered into the drawing and I WAS NOT selected. They asked me to check and make sure (like others did on the forum as well) that my account was set to receive email responses. It was selected prior to the draw and I did check my junk/spam folders...again I won't hash out the obvious any further.... :tdown:
We are out to get you.....
Hah!
LOVE YOU MAAAANN!!! :chuckle:
Post by: JWEBB on June 23, 2018, 09:45:16 PM
UPDATE:
Official response from "WILDTHING.dfw" :chuckle:
I WAS entered into the drawing and I WAS NOT selected. They asked me to check and make sure (like others did on the forum as well) that my account was set to receive email responses. It was selected prior to the draw and I did check my junk/spam folders...again I won't hash out the obvious any further.... :tdown:
We are out to get you.....
You must be working for the wdfw? :chuckle:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 23, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
UPDATE:
Official response from "WILDTHING.dfw" :chuckle:
I WAS entered into the drawing and I WAS NOT selected. They asked me to check and make sure (like others did on the forum as well) that my account was set to receive email responses. It was selected prior to the draw and I did check my junk/spam folders...again I won't hash out the obvious any further.... :tdown:
We are out to get you.....
You must be working for the wdfw? :chuckle:
:yeah: :chuckle: I’m shaking in my boots...threats to other members are not tolerated on the forum! :chuckle:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 23, 2018, 10:05:21 PM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!
Based on what facts? That you *feel* it's wrong? You really need some facts before you can insist there was something wrong with the draw. A lack of emails is not proof of a bad draw. It only proves one of two things, you didn't select to get the emails or the email system didn't send them all out.
Responded to Idahohunter yesterday:
I have absolutely no proof at all and no way to find out proper, and that is a big part of the problem my friend. The system is absolute crap. Shutouts, lockdowns, no access, disabled features, random emails... The list goes on and on and on. It was supposed to be done and done and done by early this morning from what I had read in the “disclaimer notice” that automatically popped up on the site. Shouldn’t even need a goofy notice like that; obviously posted because they know how screwed up their system is in the first place and are trying to cover their behinds!
But poor communication is likely just that, poor communication.
And what part of the communication was poor to you again? If you’re talking about the redraw request well why not if dfw has done it in the past for an “accidental” incomplete special application, then why not for an unreceived email?...”it’s the only fair thing to do...” ;)
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 23, 2018, 10:14:09 PM
So.... no redraw then??
I’ll be redrawing the Kodiac Magnum till the cows come home!
Post by: SteelheadTed on June 25, 2018, 09:14:26 AM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!
Based on what facts? That you *feel* it's wrong? You really need some facts before you can insist there was something wrong with the draw. A lack of emails is not proof of a bad draw. It only proves one of two things, you didn't select to get the emails or the email system didn't send them all out.
Responded to Idahohunter yesterday:
I have absolutely no proof at all and no way to find out proper, and that is a big part of the problem my friend. The system is absolute crap. Shutouts, lockdowns, no access, disabled features, random emails... The list goes on and on and on. It was supposed to be done and done and done by early this morning from what I had read in the “disclaimer notice” that automatically popped up on the site. Shouldn’t even need a goofy notice like that; obviously posted because they know how screwed up their system is in the first place and are trying to cover their behinds!
But poor communication is likely just that, poor communication.
And what part of the communication was poor to you again? If you’re talking about the redraw request well why not if dfw has done it in the past for an “accidental” incomplete special application, then why not for an unreceived email?...”it’s the only fair thing to do...” ;)
The poor communication was on WDFW's part, not yours. And what I mean is that they may have sucked at communicating the drawing results but that doesn't mean it's anything more than that (such as a draw that was actually screwed up). So, poor communication is likely just that, poor communication.
Post by: Big6bull on June 25, 2018, 12:11:29 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 25, 2018, 02:24:57 PM
Just emailed the director and licensing division. Absolutely NO email sent to me that drawing was in process or complete or whatever everyone else got. Submitted well before deadline. If I was left out I shall demand a REDRAW!!!!!
Based on what facts? That you *feel* it's wrong? You really need some facts before you can insist there was something wrong with the draw. A lack of emails is not proof of a bad draw. It only proves one of two things, you didn't select to get the emails or the email system didn't send them all out.
Responded to Idahohunter yesterday:
I have absolutely no proof at all and no way to find out proper, and that is a big part of the problem my friend. The system is absolute crap. Shutouts, lockdowns, no access, disabled features, random emails... The list goes on and on and on. It was supposed to be done and done and done by early this morning from what I had read in the “disclaimer notice” that automatically popped up on the site. Shouldn’t even need a goofy notice like that; obviously posted because they know how screwed up their system is in the first place and are trying to cover their behinds!
But poor communication is likely just that, poor communication.
And what part of the communication was poor to you again? If you’re talking about the redraw request well why not if dfw has done it in the past for an “accidental” incomplete special application, then why not for an unreceived email?...”it’s the only fair thing to do...” ;)
The poor communication was on WDFW's part, not yours. And what I mean is that they may have sucked at communicating the drawing results but that doesn't mean it's anything more than that (such as a draw that was actually screwed up). So, poor communication is likely just that, poor communication.
Got it :tup:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on June 25, 2018, 02:35:10 PM
Doesn’t matter if someone has a complaint, doesn’t matter if it’s invalid complaint or valid. Truth of the fact they won’t read your email. I’ve sent several concerns via email to dfw and several reporting of violations. I don’t think they read our emails. Worse yet if you dare call they treat you like sh#t for just trying to ask questions. :dunno:
They did respond to me within 1-2 business days as per the standard auto-reply whenever you send an email after hours. It was very short, however, and simply stated that I was in the drawing and was not selected and to check my email settings (which I had already done).
Had the feeling after that point that any further attempts at discussion prolly wouldn’t get me very far...
Post by: JWEBB on June 26, 2018, 09:12:24 PM
Doesn’t matter if someone has a complaint, doesn’t matter if it’s invalid complaint or valid. Truth of the fact they won’t read your email. I’ve sent several concerns via email to dfw and several reporting of violations. I don’t think they read our emails. Worse yet if you dare call they treat you like sh#t for just trying to ask questions. :dunno:
They did respond to me within 1-2 business days as per the standard auto-reply whenever you send an email after hours. It was very short, however, and simply stated that I was in the drawing and was not selected and to check my email settings (which I had already done).
Had the feeling after that point that any further attempts at discussion prolly wouldn’t get me very far...
Sounds about right. Calling them won’t get you anywhere either but you will get a better explanation. I called and emailed after the spring bear debacle and they actually told me quite a bit of info on the phone. Give em a ring Cal!