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Title: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: furbearer365 on March 14, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
Look at the size of this blacktail.  The guy who owned the property gave me permission to put my cameras up and told me he had some big deer but I was not expecting this.  Pictures taken at the end of June so this deer had plenty of growing left.  Wasn't able to hunt him but can not imagine how big he got.  Had 2 cameras only 75 yards apart and got nearly 30 pictures of him along with a forkened horn and a damaged 4x2, all of which were daylight.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: robb92 on March 14, 2009, 08:28:56 PM
Very nice buck!!! Good luck with hunting him this fall.
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Post by: bow4elk on March 14, 2009, 08:42:59 PM
Post all 30 of those pics!!!
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Post by: Jackjr on March 14, 2009, 09:13:14 PM
 :yike:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: PolarBear on March 14, 2009, 09:14:33 PM
Yep, we need more pics!  Hope you get a poke at him this year!  Kind of an odd configuration for a blackie, is he in SW WA?  The reason I ask is he looks like a lot of buck that I have seen close to the Columbia with a little bit of whitetail in them, hence the eyeguards and points off of main beams.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: bowsandhose on March 15, 2009, 07:04:59 AM
 :drool:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: BrushChimp on March 15, 2009, 07:36:26 AM
It does indeed have the whitetail antler configuration and big ol' eyeguards. It would be great if you could post s'more pics so we could look him over. For sure a big'en.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: furbearer365 on March 15, 2009, 07:37:53 PM
That one big point is not an eye guard it is another beam.  I will post another picture or two when I upload them.  And yes it is all blacktail.  I know that the antlers may resemble a whitetail but I am telling you that this is all blacktail.  I am sworn to secrecy but I will say that this buck is within 30 miles of Mt St. Helens.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: fc2038 on March 15, 2009, 07:58:02 PM
If you get a chance I would love to see some different views of him! Looks like a great buck
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hacksaw on March 15, 2009, 08:25:46 PM
The reason I ask is he looks like a lot of buck that I have seen close to the Columbia with a little bit of whitetail in them, hence the eyeguards and points off of main beams.

He does have that whitetail characteristic to him, but I watched a big 4-point buck a few years back in Capitol Forest with the exact same antler configuration on one side (minus the extra beam at the base). Can't wait to see some more pics of furbearer's buck. :drool:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: PacificNWhunter on March 16, 2009, 08:12:18 AM
That's a stud buck.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: NW-Eric on March 16, 2009, 08:27:28 AM
nice buck for sure, nothing wrong with that
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: furbearer365 on March 16, 2009, 04:27:44 PM
Here are a couple of more pic of the big boy.  One was taken with my other camera that I had out.  I like this one because you can really see how tall he is and he is with the busted up 4x 2.  The other one is a better angle to see that nontypical beam coming off the base of his horn.  Hope you guys and gals like these.  The date on the one were he is walking away is not right, i forgot to set it.  They were taken the exact same dates.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 18, 2009, 11:08:39 AM
nice lookin buck for sure, but I wouldnt say a monster.... looks like hes near the yale unit or castle rock area
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: bucklucky on March 18, 2009, 11:12:24 AM
Neat lookin buck for sure.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: furbearer365 on March 18, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
hey hoytstaffshooter, I know there are bigger bucks out there because I have one on my wall but what I am impressed with is that this picture was only taken in June.  He had plenty more growing left to do and who knows how big he ended up getting.  Sorry to say but you are not even close on were the pictures were taken.  You have to head more northeast than that.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 18, 2009, 04:02:38 PM
more northeast.. hmm lets say.... chehalis?  and like I said hes nice but IMO wouldnt have been a monster even in sep..... I have a farm out here in a rural area that has 5 bucks over 150 on it.... I almost got a chance to hunt them this year.. almost!!  but he has some really awesome characer.. I wouldnt pass on him, in those pics for sure
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hornseeker on March 23, 2009, 09:42:24 AM
You have any pics of the 150+ bucks Hoyt?? DAMMMMMMMMMMM! That would be something to have access to 5 bucks of that quality...

E
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 23, 2009, 02:05:16 PM
I would love to see that too.   :hunter:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: huntnphool on March 23, 2009, 03:39:21 PM
I would love to see that too.   :hunter:

 Shouldnt be a problem seeing one of them on his wall this year, especially being able to shoot 9 out of 10 kill shots at 100 yards with his Hoyt. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: jackelope on March 23, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
 :kneel:

Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: robodad on March 23, 2009, 03:52:05 PM
more northeast.. hmm lets say.... chehalis?  and like I said hes nice but IMO wouldnt have been a monster even in sep..... I have a farm out here in a rural area that has 5 bucks over 150 on it.... I almost got a chance to hunt them this year.. almost!!  but he has some really awesome characer.. I wouldnt pass on him, in those pics for sure

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Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: M_ray on March 23, 2009, 03:58:24 PM
Robo I think it's more like this

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Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: huntnphool on March 23, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
Either way MHO is 5 blacktail over 150 in the same field is a pipe dream unless they are high fenced or NW Treck, although Charlie has seen his share of them in one general area so maybe I'm  :liar:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: mossback91 on March 23, 2009, 04:10:06 PM
Robo I think it's more like this

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Man your always bustin that thing out M_ray
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hornseeker on March 23, 2009, 04:11:23 PM
For Chriminy skes...where are you guys getting those AWESOME smileys!!!

Years ago outta Fall City I saw 3 big bucks walking together not far off the road... ITs probably my "best" sighting of blackies.. i'll bet the big guy was 138 ish...cant call hi m140..the other two were 125ish.. it was a sight to behold. They were in velvet and were Lookin Good! :drool:

Very, VERY few people have seen a blacktail that will score 140... way less have seen a 150 (I've seen  1 bencher that goes that...)...and WAY, WAY less have seen 5 150s on one farm!

however.. maybe Hoyt Man is one of the few....??? :dunno:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: bucklucky on March 23, 2009, 04:15:29 PM
I wish I could say I have seen a 150 class blacktail alive in Washington. I have or will mount a total of 2 150 class blacktails. I have seen a few in the 140 ish range, but thats it. Most are in the 130's. But then again I'm in the heart of spike and forked horn territory here  :'(
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: BC CHASER on March 23, 2009, 04:22:44 PM
I wish I could say I have seen a 150 class blacktail alive in Washington. I have or will mount a total of 2 150 class blacktails. I have seen a few in the 140 ish range, but thats it. Most are in the 130's. But then again I'm in the heart of spike and forked horn territory here  :'(



Remember what we are going to do this summer? 8)
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: bucklucky on March 23, 2009, 04:24:12 PM
I wish I could say I have seen a 150 class blacktail alive in Washington. I have or will mount a total of 2 150 class blacktails. I have seen a few in the 140 ish range, but thats it. Most are in the 130's. But then again I'm in the heart of spike and forked horn territory here  :'(



Remember what we are going to do this summer? 8)

SHHHHH  ;) ;) I was thinking about it when I posted that  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: robodad on March 23, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
Robo I think it's more like this

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I couldn't in good conscience post the ones I really wanted to, I might have been BANNED !! (https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10689/tribe.gif)
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: BC CHASER on March 23, 2009, 05:21:02 PM
Here's FIFF's 153, sorry its a pic of a pic.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: huntnphool on March 23, 2009, 05:28:31 PM
Awesome buck, can you imagine seeing 5 of those in a field :yike:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: boneaddict on March 23, 2009, 05:42:17 PM
No, not really.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Dr. Death on March 23, 2009, 05:49:50 PM
I'm with you guys on Hoyt being  :liar:....he got real quiet...must be out taking picts of those 5 monsters as we speak...let's see they should be starting to grow their bone back probably going to be 165's this year.... :chuckle:

Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: jackelope on March 23, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
Here's FIFF's 153, sorry its a pic of a pic.


i was waiting for you to show up with them...

i know you've got a couple more too.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: boneaddict on March 23, 2009, 06:24:35 PM
By the way BC, that things the real deal. NICE
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 23, 2009, 06:28:09 PM
How thoughtful of that buck to grow a "handle" on his left side... :chuckle:

I don't think I realized that was a tine until about the 4th time I looked at it...

What a stud blackie... Thanks for posting it BC
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: BC CHASER on March 23, 2009, 08:24:11 PM
He is not the biggest we have chased!  I chased this buck for two years and could never get a shot on him.  We caught him chasing a doe about a mile and a half from where we origanally chasing him.  I took some live shots of him but they did not turn out.  FIFF was chasing a huge 5x5 bigger than this one but was always one step to late or sat on the wrong trail!
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: bucklucky on March 23, 2009, 08:31:03 PM
Thanks for getting my Blacktail blood pumping again man  :chuckle: Got my Multi season tag, I need to stick one of those little 140 bucks  with my bow, you know the ones you dont want to shoot  ;) I'll take a dink, no problems here  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: TeacherMan on March 23, 2009, 08:39:22 PM
 :drool: :yike: wow, looks like a mule deer
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: furbearer365 on March 23, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
Talk is cheap, when hoytstaffer either kills all five 150's or gets all five on a game tracker at the same time, I will believe it, but until then I will consider it another hunting story.  Stories don't impress me, the real thing does.  By the way, I went to the guys house with his son this weekend and killed a coyote.  When his son and I got back to his dads place he showed us what he had found the week before.  He found both matching sheds to the deer in the pictures.  His boy told me that he is going to steal them from him and wants me to make a plaque for fathers day.  No *censored* and I will post the plaque to prove it when I am done.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hornseeker on March 24, 2009, 07:48:58 AM
Oh heck...maybe he has...maybe he hasn't... alls I know is that buck BC posted is a stud!

The biggest I've ever seen, and it probably was a hybrid, was up on Dandy Pass, off Stampede, probably 1986... it was an easy 160 buck.. but again... he probably had some mixed genes... Right?? I have seen quite a few 135's up there..and maybe one more that would go 150..

NEVER during deer season...these were all seen while hunting bears in August...

E
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 24, 2009, 08:44:02 AM

The biggest I've ever seen, and it probably was a hybrid, was up on Dandy Pass, off Stampede, probably 1986... it was an easy 160 buck.. but again... he probably had some mixed genes... Right?? I have seen quite a few 135's up there..and maybe one more that would go 150..

That's what they call a "benchleg" blacktail I believe.  Mostly looks like a blacktail (smaller ears, black "badge" tail), but has mulie characteristics (ie, large forked antlers, coloring, etc...). 
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Houndhunter on March 24, 2009, 11:22:05 AM
ive seen one deer that woulda gone in the 150s i think, he liked to hang out with these exotic deer this guy has. kinda funny but he was huge, but again one of the bucks you see on pavement. never have seen a monster in the wild away from houses or farms

as far as 5 over 150..........
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Alchase on March 24, 2009, 12:01:19 PM
Got to love the drop tines  ;)
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hornseeker on March 24, 2009, 03:15:27 PM
I am not going to debate genetics at all... well..just for a second or two :chuckle: but in many, many years of spending a lot of time in the Stampede country I never saw a deer that "looked" like a muley... and furthermore...rarely did I see one before I'd get to Cle Elum...???

You guys??
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: jackelope on March 24, 2009, 03:21:37 PM
Ernie, what does this guy look like?
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: huntnphool on March 24, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
I consider deer in the Cascades mule deer and the deer on the west of I-5 blacktail. Thats a hell of a buck right there Josh, love the mass.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hornseeker on March 24, 2009, 03:31:49 PM
 :drool:
"Ernie, what does this guy look like?"

He looks like a frickin PIG!! :yike:

Seriously...he looks muley to me.... what do you think??

E
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: furbearer365 on March 24, 2009, 03:32:57 PM
Hey Jackelope, you could never convince me that is a true blacktail.  too many mule deer characteristics.  If it is borderline, then it is a mule deer.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hornseeker on March 24, 2009, 03:33:04 PM
I want to go one step further and say...there are a lot of clean..."normal" looking bucks that would score WAY better than that buck that I would pass up 9 out of 10 times to Kill that buck... That is the CHIT I like! :P
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: jackelope on March 24, 2009, 03:34:24 PM
there's more pictures of him and he is all mule deer if you ask me. i never saw him in person, but his former place of residence certainly could throw up a bit of a flag.  :dunno:
Fanatic on here killed that buck a few years ago.

Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hornseeker on March 24, 2009, 03:34:58 PM
SOrry for the A D D posts  :rolleyes:

Phool...I grew up in the Snoqualmie valley..and those deer are 100% blackies...just as much as a deer anywhere west of 5... at least in my opinion ;)
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: jackelope on March 24, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
I consider deer in the Cascades mule deer and the deer on the west of I-5 blacktail. Thats a hell of a buck right there Josh, love the mass.

theres a whole lot of turf in between I-5 and the cascades though...are you saying the deer running around redmond you consider mule deer?
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: furbearer365 on March 24, 2009, 04:12:31 PM
The arguement on where to draw the line between mule deer and true blacktail can be argued for years.  To say everything east of I-5 is mulie sure puts blacktail into a small group.  Every deer I have killed has been and the east side of I-5.  Although all of then were within 5 miles of it, it was still east.  So I think in this arguement, each deer should be considered by themselves, not just by general area unless you are talking extreme east and extreme west.  to hell with what boone and crockett says, i would just consider them nice deer
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: jackelope on March 24, 2009, 04:21:17 PM
Quote
to hell with what boone and crockett says, i would just consider them nice deer

here here.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: huntnphool on March 24, 2009, 04:22:12 PM
No arguement from me guys, those lower land deer between I-5 and the Cascades are definatley blackies, I think most of you understood my point though. To me those deer up in those mountains are closer to mule deer than blacktail and to have those lowland/coast deer in the same category is not right. I'm with you furbearer, they are all nice deer regardless.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: 270Shooter on March 24, 2009, 06:04:32 PM
Those are nice bucks!

But I see bigger ones all the time :P :P :P :chuckle:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 24, 2009, 08:09:59 PM
Those are nice bucks!

But I see bigger ones all the time :P :P :P :chuckle:

Maybe you should apply for a gig as a staff shooter for Browning.... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: MuleySniper on March 24, 2009, 08:23:40 PM
What do you guys think this dink would score? :chuckle: Sorry about the quality, I had to scan them. 100% pure BT buck.
MS
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Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: rezboy on March 24, 2009, 08:26:45 PM
140-150??  That's a hog for sure.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: BC CHASER on March 24, 2009, 08:33:36 PM
Hey MS that jeep in the lower left is pretty cool!
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: MuleySniper on March 24, 2009, 08:34:17 PM
That buck was around about 15 years ago. It basically lived in my buddys mom's backyard. She was the one who originally took the pictures. Sure wish I archery hunted back then :bash:
MS
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: MuleySniper on March 24, 2009, 08:35:29 PM
Hey MS that jeep in the lower left is pretty cool!
Thanks! My cousin sent me that as a reminder I need to get mine finished. It took me a minute to figure out what it was. :chuckle:
MS
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: BC CHASER on March 24, 2009, 08:41:38 PM
I own one and picked it up right away,  I might have to steal that from you.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: huntnphool on March 24, 2009, 09:15:03 PM
150, where are the other 4 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: 7mag. on March 24, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
I am not going to debate genetics at all... well..just for a second or two :chuckle: but in many, many years of spending a lot of time in the Stampede country I never saw a deer that "looked" like a muley... and furthermore...rarely did I see one before I'd get to Cle Elum...???

You guys??

Not to throw a curve, but I did see what I beleive to be a mulie in Stampede this year. I've been hunting up there for a lot of years and I agree that most of those bucks look like blacktails to me, but I have seen some that looked like benchlegs and then the big one from this year (well '08) that I would call all mulie. Granted he was only about  2 miles from the crest trail, but he was in the stampede and was chasing 4 muley does.
Title: Re: Monster Nontypical Blacktail...
Post by: Hornseeker on March 25, 2009, 07:53:29 AM
That "dink" is everything that is cool about a big blacktail! What a pig!!

7mm... Right on!!
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