Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
Post by: rtspring on June 22, 2018, 08:57:40 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 22, 2018, 09:02:41 AM
Post by: Mfowl on June 22, 2018, 09:10:49 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2018, 09:12:41 AM
Post by: lamrith on June 22, 2018, 09:18:41 AM
It isn't new that lots and lots of hunters are waiting and constantly checking the site this time of year.True, but as Jerry mentions, their email and message telling everyone "exactly" when the draw was happening and would be posted was a mistake. Well intentioned but it in itself caused a severe overload. Pretty much backfired on them.
My recommendation to them for next time is not to send the email. Just do the draw take the tabs down, post the results, then put the tabs back up once everything is done. Probably be worth getting in touch with states like WY, AZ, etc that have MUCH larger hunter app numbers and how they do it, since those states seem to go off without a hitch every year.
Post by: LongBomb on June 22, 2018, 09:20:58 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 09:32:08 AM
They said the 21st and they were out the 21st. If people weren't frantically trying to check every three seconds they would have been out in the a.m. as well. I hope next year they lock it down until it's all done. Send an email out the day after.
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on June 22, 2018, 09:35:39 AM
Post by: bigtex on June 22, 2018, 09:36:54 AM
I said it countless times yesterday, the "fiasco" yesterday was the hysteria of grown men that can't just keep their composure until OFFICIAL DRAW RESULTS WERE ACTUALLY POSTED!! The draw was not screwed up yesterday it ran just fine we just couldn't be patient adults and wait until results were actually up. Yes I think the email after every category was kind of stupid but that doesn't negate the fact that we couldn't just wait until they were out.:yeah: :tup:
They said the 21st and they were out the 21st. If people weren't frantically trying to check every three seconds they would have been out in the a.m. as well. I hope next year they lock it down until it's all done. Send an email out the day after.
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2018, 09:38:30 AM
In the past everyone would be working during the day and would be unable to check until they got home in the evening.
The biggest issue was them telling us results would be available EARLY. It was 4:40 PM. That's not early.
Post by: Curly on June 22, 2018, 09:45:26 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 09:50:33 AM
I don't think it was a fiasco either. It just took much longer than expected. The problem nowadays is everyone is online 24/7.yeah but that was not the fault of WDFW or the draw system. That was the fault of too much traffic from a bunch of manchildren. They definitely do need to upgrade servers though. Get something that can handle the traffic or lock it until it's done.
In the past everyone would be working during the day and would be unable to check until they got home in the evening.
The biggest issue was them telling us results would be available EARLY. It was 4:40 PM. That's not early.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 22, 2018, 09:50:43 AM
It just seems funny that "we" have all gotten used to instant results and therefore expect it from everything and everyone. I cannot imagine the pain and angst it would cause today if they went back to the pre-internet days.
Imagine the horror of having to put your application card in the mail and trust the post office to deliver it. Then have to trust that your card didn't get lost or put in the wrong box while waiting to do the draw.
Then hope and pray that it doesn't get lost or destroyed in a car wreck while being transported to the various regions where they were dumped into a rolling drum and pulled out one at a time by hand...ohhh the agony!!!
Could things be done differently, yup sure could, would it be better...who knows!
Oh, I almost forgot, the part about waiting for them to mail you your permit and hoping all the things you worried about when you sent the application in not happening before it gets back to your mailbox... :chuckle:
Post by: bornhunter on June 22, 2018, 09:54:57 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 10:00:46 AM
What about those of us who didnt get any email at all?emails meant absolutely nothing. Simply a notification. Had no bearing on successful or unsuccessful.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 22, 2018, 10:03:19 AM
I don't think it was a fiasco either. It just took much longer than expected. The problem nowadays is everyone is online 24/7.Didn’t it say they would start early? I can’t remember the wording but it did start early.
In the past everyone would be working during the day and would be unable to check until they got home in the evening.
The biggest issue was them telling us results would be available EARLY. It was 4:40 PM. That's not early.
I will say it would be better if they took it offline then updated it all then allowed access again.
Post by: bearpaw on June 22, 2018, 10:12:31 AM
I'm just happy that the forum didn't fail, yesterday was our busiest day ever on H-W.
Post by: Tbar on June 22, 2018, 10:18:18 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2018, 10:21:56 AM
I'm not so sure taking it offline will actually solve much, as soon as they turn it back on the impact would be even greater than leaving it on and spreading out the initial impact. I don't have a problem with the way it went. I do agree that it would be smarter to not send an email for each application but rather one email for each applicant after the process is completed. I think part of the fun is anticipating the results, I know the anticipation was better than the results were for me! :chuckle:One or two times I couldn’t log on the forum for a second or two, I thought, “holy hell” this can’t be happening!! :dunno: can you imagine if the forum crashed yesterday , a black hole would have formed and the world would have ended!!! :chuckle:
I'm just happy that the forum didn't fail, yesterday was our busiest day ever on H-W.
Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2018, 10:31:38 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2018, 10:34:02 AM
That is a sad excuse, and lack of taking ownership for a failure. Instead of all the excuses and a deferral an apology would probably be the correct course of action.What was their failure? The email they sent with the date of the results was sent because this forum and all those people asking what the heck was going on. They thought they were helping by communicating, that was their only mistake.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 10:40:10 AM
That is a sad excuse, and lack of taking ownership for a failure. Instead of all the excuses and a deferral an apology would probably be the correct course of action.what was the failure? Draw was completed and results posted on the day they said they would be :dunno:
Post by: Wacenturion on June 22, 2018, 10:45:47 AM
It is clearly Al Gore's fault!! If he had not invented the internet, this would not be a problem!! :chuckle:
It just seems funny that "we" have all gotten used to instant results and therefore expect it from everything and everyone. I cannot imagine the pain and angst it would cause today if they went back to the pre-internet days.
Imagine the horror of having to put your application card in the mail and trust the post office to deliver it. Then have to trust that your card didn't get lost or put in the wrong box while waiting to do the draw.
Then hope and pray that it doesn't get lost or destroyed in a car wreck while being transported to the various regions where they were dumped into a rolling drum and pulled out one at a time by hand...ohhh the agony!!!
Could things be done differently, yup sure could, would it be better...who knows!
Oh, I almost forgot, the part about waiting for them to mail you your permit and hoping all the things you worried about when you sent the application in not happening before it gets back to your mailbox... :chuckle:
When I first went to work for the old Dept. of Game back in the early 70's, I was involved for several years with the traveling barrel and individual card submittals that were dumped into the barrel. Worked well although it took several days just in Region 2 where I was....Okanogan, E. Wenatchee, etc. People showed up and witnessed the unit draw they put in for. Funny at the end some wanted to look through and see if theirs were actually there. In those limited cases, they were. Funny what we used to see. Heavy tape around edges of cards, sticky stuff occasionally, wrinkled, crumbled cards....whatever to make them feel different when we reached in to draw.
It was a labor intensive effort although it was great PR. We got to meet and visit with sportsman in different towns and get to know them over a period of a couple years. They too could put faces on Department names. That was always a win for the agency. Things were simpler then, seasons were more open and offered unbelievable opportunities to sportsman. I miss those days. Today's system as Bobcat pointed out is absolutely stupid. Too many categories, too many choices. It just makes it much harder for any of us to draw our favorite hunts. WDFW has trained the younger ones of us to think the system is state of the art and fair while paying more and accepting less. It's all about $$$$$.
Post by: bearpaw on June 22, 2018, 10:56:42 AM
Some states have separated the antlered and antlerless draw dates. Some states publish in their regulations a date that the results will be available. They could consider making results available at midnight or 4 am. They could draw different species on different days.
I think Colorado sells the most big game licenses in the west and a lot of the hunts are draws. I would suggest that WDFW ask Colorado what they do?
Post by: Bob33 on June 22, 2018, 11:00:22 AM
In my opinion there were two issues which hurt WDFW’s credibility. First, they stated the results would be available “early” on June 21. I doubt that most applicants consider mid-afternoon as “early”. When other states like Wyoming indicate that results will be available at 8:00 a.m., they are almost always available at 08:00:00 to within a couple seconds.
Secondly, the emails were inconsistently issued: if the emails weren’t processed correctly, what else wasn’t processed correctly? In retrospective this appears to have no effect on draw results, but still leaves WDFW with somewhat of a black eye.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 22, 2018, 11:00:32 AM
I said it countless times yesterday, the "fiasco" yesterday was the hysteria of grown men that can't just keep their composure until OFFICIAL DRAW RESULTS WERE ACTUALLY POSTED!! The draw was not screwed up yesterday it ran just fine we just couldn't be patient adults and wait until results were actually up. Yes I think the email after every category was kind of stupid but that doesn't negate the fact that we couldn't just wait until they were out.
They said the 21st and they were out the 21st. If people weren't frantically trying to check every three seconds they would have been out in the a.m. as well. I hope next year they lock it down until it's all done. Send an email out the day after.
I am just glad that I was on the road yesterday, not at work. If I would have had my computer up, I probably would have gone nuts checking too. Instead, we drove from Colville to Walla Walla (I checked when we got home once-nothing posted), then had to get my son to his baseball game. When the game was over we went to dinner and I checked again. That's when I found out that we were NOT SELECTED straight across the board.
I'm just glad I was busy yesterday... :chuckle:
I think the problem was that the draws happened a week later this year than usual. Generally, we have results by the 15th, and I text friends and family to go check their results. This year, everyone was sitting there by the 18th with bated breath waiting for the draw. That, combined with the email caused all the angst.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 11:06:20 AM
I really can't see where yesterday was that big of deal but a few people have their underwear bunched up for some reason.Colorado also takes 2 full months. You wanna see adult children lose their minds go to that system :chuckle:
Some states have separated the antlered and antlerless draw dates. Some states publish in their regulations a date that the results will be available. They could consider making results available at midnight or 4 am. They could draw different species on different days.
I think Colorado sells the most big game licenses in the west and a lot of the hunts are draws. I would suggest that WDFW ask Colorado what they do?
Post by: Pathfinder101 on June 22, 2018, 11:08:41 AM
Like Ricky Bobby's kids said in Talledega Nights "Yaaay... Two Christmases!". :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2018, 11:09:38 AM
Here are all the draw result dates back to 2009 for reference:
6/12/2009 (Friday)
6/18/2010 (Friday)
6/14/2011 (Tuesday)
6/8/2012 (Friday)
6/19/2013 (Wednesday)
6/11/2014 (Wednesday)
6/12/2015 (Friday)
6/10/2016 (Friday)
6/15/2017 (Thursday)
6/21/2018 (Thursday)
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2018, 11:11:26 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 22, 2018, 11:14:29 AM
Also just because past years they have been early shouldn’t make them be held accountable to being early. The regs still say late June. :twocents:
Post by: whackmaster on June 22, 2018, 11:16:23 AM
That is a sad excuse, and lack of taking ownership for a failure. Instead of all the excuses and a deferral an apology would probably be the correct course of action.Thank you
Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2018, 11:18:57 AM
They should do moose, mountain goat, and sheep on one day, and deer and elk another day.That was my first comment to her about what could be done different, I think it would free up some of the traffic trying to log on?
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2018, 11:19:05 AM
Post by: whackmaster on June 22, 2018, 11:26:46 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 11:27:52 AM
Post by: lamrith on June 22, 2018, 11:59:48 AM
Not a bad idea. Though in terms of people being able to plan out their hunts it could cause issues. They draw sheep, make certain plans for dates to lock in reservations, etc, then draw quality elk 2days, a week, month later down the road and have to reschedule or shuffle things to account for it.They should do moose, mountain goat, and sheep on one day, and deer and elk another day.That was my first comment to her about what could be done different, I think it would free up some of the traffic trying to log on?
I like the idea of maybe shutting everything down overnight. Get everything posted and bring it back online. At the very least they should be contacting the big high demand hunting draw states to see how they get it done. I also think no email in future saying when draws will be done or posted, unless they get a system like WY to handle the hit, or they shut down a section of the site completely until results are all in.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 22, 2018, 12:11:50 PM
It sounds like they were serious about their wait 2 hour request which boggles my mind. How naive can they be? They need to bring the witnesses in ahead of time for strategy discussion to catch some of their silly ideas.
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2018, 12:57:10 PM
Post by: Ironhead on June 22, 2018, 12:59:58 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 22, 2018, 01:00:24 PM
The state sent an email to everyone and pretty much said please don’t slam our website with views because it causes problems. We slammed the website. It caused problems. Get over it. It’s over and done. And done on the day they said it would be done.But we just got our torches and pitch forks ready!
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 22, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
Post by: baker5150 on June 22, 2018, 01:05:54 PM
That is a sad excuse, and lack of taking ownership for a failure. Instead of all the excuses and a deferral an apology would probably be the correct course of action.what was the failure? Draw was completed and results posted on the day they said they would be :dunno:
Not sending out emails after specifically stating that's how we will know when it's done, that's a failure.
Other than that, it all worked out in the end.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
Out of the 8 states I put in for every year Washington has the most problems with the draw by far. I don’t put in for CA, or OR.what problems occurred? I've still yet to see an answer to that question. Draw was completed and results posted the day they said it would be and within a month! I apply for 10 western states and WY is the only one that does it faster but they also break it into 3 separate draws so technically it takes them 5 months :dunno:
Post by: idahohuntr on June 22, 2018, 01:07:44 PM
Post by: elkrack on June 22, 2018, 01:18:24 PM
Who ever ran the draw in 2012 deserves a drink! Posted June 8 th :tup:
Post by: Stein on June 22, 2018, 01:20:12 PM
They could batch e-mails with results so they go out over a 12 hour period and spread it all out. Then, we would be all refreshing our e-mail servers and having the same fun.
Or, they could have someone who knows what they are doing running the show. Realistically, they know how many people will be checking and have several years of data on who checks when. There really shouldn't be any big surprises here.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 01:22:38 PM
those emails were notification that that specific species was complete. The failure was all of our inability to follow instructions. I do agree that an email every time a category is uploaded is a little ridiculous I was also very aware that I was not following instructions when I would log on to look. I put that blame souley back upon myself.That is a sad excuse, and lack of taking ownership for a failure. Instead of all the excuses and a deferral an apology would probably be the correct course of action.what was the failure? Draw was completed and results posted on the day they said they would be :dunno:
Not sending out emails after specifically stating that's how we will know when it's done, that's a failure.
Other than that, it all worked out in the end.
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2018, 01:24:43 PM
In the end I can't complain since I ended up with a great late season buck permit and my daughter got an unexpected youth antlerless elk permit. :IBCOOL:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 01:31:16 PM
It's definitely on me that I spent my whole day yesterday staring at my phone and/or computer. After a couple of hours I should have given up. :bash:productivity was not great yesterday :chuckle:
In the end I can't complain since I ended up with a great late season buck permit and my daughter got an unexpected youth antlerless elk permit. :IBCOOL:
Post by: Ironhead on June 22, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
Looks like your 10 states has me beat. Are you saying you haven’t seen problems with the Washington draws?Out of the 8 states I put in for every year Washington has the most problems with the draw by far. I don’t put in for CA, or OR.what problems occurred? I've still yet to see an answer to that question. Draw was completed and results posted the day they said it would be and within a month! I apply for 10 western states and WY is the only one that does it faster but they also break it into 3 separate draws so technically it takes them 5 months :dunno:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 22, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
It is clearly Al Gore's fault!! If he had not invented the internet, this would not be a problem!! :chuckle:
It just seems funny that "we" have all gotten used to instant results and therefore expect it from everything and everyone. I cannot imagine the pain and angst it would cause today if they went back to the pre-internet days.
Imagine the horror of having to put your application card in the mail and trust the post office to deliver it. Then have to trust that your card didn't get lost or put in the wrong box while waiting to do the draw.
Then hope and pray that it doesn't get lost or destroyed in a car wreck while being transported to the various regions where they were dumped into a rolling drum and pulled out one at a time by hand...ohhh the agony!!!
Could things be done differently, yup sure could, would it be better...who knows!
Oh, I almost forgot, the part about waiting for them to mail you your permit and hoping all the things you worried about when you sent the application in not happening before it gets back to your mailbox... :chuckle:
When I first went to work for the old Dept. of Game back in the early 70's, I was involved for several years with the traveling barrel and individual card submittals that were dumped into the barrel. Worked well although it took several days just in Region 2 where I was....Okanogan, E. Wenatchee, etc. People showed up and witnessed the unit draw they put in for. Funny at the end some wanted to look through and see if theirs were actually there. In those limited cases, they were. Funny what we used to see. Heavy tape around edges of cards, sticky stuff occasionally, wrinkled, crumbled cards....whatever to make them feel different when we reached in to draw.
It was a labor intensive effort although it was great PR. We got to meet and visit with sportsman in different towns and get to know them over a period of a couple years. They too could put faces on Department names. That was always a win for the agency. Things were simpler then, seasons were more open and offered unbelievable opportunities to sportsman. I miss those days. Today's system as Bobcat pointed out is absolutely stupid. Too many categories, too many choices. It just makes it much harder for any of us to draw our favorite hunts. WDFW has trained the younger ones of us to think the system is state of the art and fair while paying more and accepting less. It's all about $$$$$.
I believe that right there speaks volumes!!
Yes, it cost more to do and took longer, but it certainly didn't helped the public's view by putting a face on the process vs today where there is more mistrust, frustration or just outright hatred in some cases of anything the department does!!
Post by: baker5150 on June 22, 2018, 02:21:16 PM
those emails were notification that that specific species was complete. The failure was all of our inability to follow instructions. I do agree that an email every time a category is uploaded is a little ridiculous I was also very aware that I was not following instructions when I would log on to look. I put that blame souley back upon myself.That is a sad excuse, and lack of taking ownership for a failure. Instead of all the excuses and a deferral an apology would probably be the correct course of action.what was the failure? Draw was completed and results posted on the day they said they would be :dunno:
Not sending out emails after specifically stating that's how we will know when it's done, that's a failure.
Other than that, it all worked out in the end.
They still failed to send me, and others, an email as stated, regardless of it's intent. You asked where the failure was :dunno:
Pretty cut and dry.
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 22, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
Post by: baker5150 on June 22, 2018, 03:04:04 PM
I didn't get the antlerless email but I got the antlerless permit. Of all the things to complain about I guess that makes the least sense to me :dunno:
Not a complaint, just answering his question.
It didn't bother me at all, but it was certainly a failure of their system.
There could still be guys out there waiting for an email that the draw was done. Probably matters to them more than us.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 03:52:10 PM
II miscounted. Took my shoe off and it's actually 11 :chuckle:Looks like your 10 states has me beat. Are you saying you haven’t seen problems with the Washington draws?Out of the 8 states I put in for every year Washington has the most problems with the draw by far. I don’t put in for CA, or OR.what problems occurred? I've still yet to see an answer to that question. Draw was completed and results posted the day they said it would be and within a month! I apply for 10 western states and WY is the only one that does it faster but they also break it into 3 separate draws so technically it takes them 5 months :dunno:
Don't get me wrong, I have endless complaints about WDFW and the whole entire way they do business but as far as their implementation of the draws and getting them out in a timely fashion they are right at the top of with the best agencies out there. I'll give credit where credit is due.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2018, 03:55:11 PM
I'll concede that the lack of emails going out is an oversight but to call it a failure of the draw system is a stretch. THE DRAW was conducted without issue. The emails going out or not going out had no ill effect on the DRAW SYSTEM.I didn't get the antlerless email but I got the antlerless permit. Of all the things to complain about I guess that makes the least sense to me :dunno:
Not a complaint, just answering his question.
It didn't bother me at all, but it was certainly a failure of their system.
There could still be guys out there waiting for an email that the draw was done. Probably matters to them more than us.
I don't even ask to be notified but got 4 emails for categories I don't apply for. Found another 2 in my spam folder. The whole email thing is very strange to say the least.
Post by: hunter399 on June 22, 2018, 04:13:56 PM
1.5 million dollars made on special draws and they can't figure it out.WOW!
1 email is enough ,never tell anybody the day of draw ,how do we know the overloaded server didn't effect the draw.
Anyway I'm happy with results which is loser lounge , but these mistakes suck on there part.
Post by: dwils233 on June 22, 2018, 07:46:51 PM
THE DRAW was conducted without issue. The emails going out or not going out had no ill effect on the DRAW SYSTEM.I didn't get the antlerless email but I got the antlerless permit. Of all the things to complain about I guess that makes the least sense to me :dunno:
Not a complaint, just answering his question.
It didn't bother me at all, but it was certainly a failure of their system.
There could still be guys out there waiting for an email that the draw was done. Probably matters to them more than us.
The draw seemed to be expertly executed, on that most people agree. Everything after that though....was poorly planned and implemented and really shouldn't get a pass. That doesn't mean we should grab the pitchforks, but its totally fair to call it out and ask for better next year and offer suggestions to do better. I've only seen one or two people who were "mad" about it, everyone was more exasperated or frustrated about how it was handled. As consumers and taxpayers we have every right want better. the notification was a bad idea on the WILD page, the emails were a bad idea if they couldn't do it, and offering a timeframe and not delivering was a bad idea.
I'd compare it to ordering a pizza and knowing it was perfectly cooked. Then it shows up after the (unsolicited) thirty minute guarantee and somehow turned into a calzone. (still a pizza!) and pizza company gave (unsolicited) order tracking but said it was coming out of the oven ten minutes after its been delivered. and then blamed all of it on other customers who they gave the same unsolicited services....I mean come on. Its just poor business. Under promise and over deliver. I sure wouldn't want to run a business on that model, and would welcome the constructive criticism to avoid it in the future. WDFW should take some good natured licks and start planning on monday how to do it better next year (they should take the day off today, still think they earned it)
and really not that hard to fix- if you can't complete in the time window you give, don't give one. If your server can't handle the volume- go to a cloud server that can be ramped up for peak use (if you can't do that then just post it at 3 AM). If you can't handle the emails, use a mailchimp or listrak service to do it for you (or just don't do it). Take the backdoors completely down and build it on a test server then switch it live. I mean, I don't care for my sake.... its just kind of rookie moves from a business or IT standpoint I think
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 22, 2018, 07:52:07 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2018, 08:15:09 PM
I just have to wonder if WDFW had not spent so much $ (I think it was over $800,000) on that lady that is supposed to get pro-wolf and anti-wolf folks to get along if they would have had the $ for servers that could handle the load? :dunno:
Double that number and you'd be close to what they paid the wolf meeting mediator lady. What a complete waste of money that is.
Post by: Tbar on June 22, 2018, 09:30:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2018, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: Tbar on June 22, 2018, 09:43:07 PM
Tbar- why do you say the draw team was on here?There were and have been for several years. Not sure if that's the best expenditure of our tax dollars but it's a fact. The team and their fearless leader can chime in at any time but lack the integrity.
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2018, 10:06:50 PM
Tbar- why do you say the draw team was on here?There were and have been for several years. Not sure if that's the best expenditure of our tax dollars but it's a fact. The team and their fearless leader can chime in at any time but lack the integrity.
Are you claiming there are WDFW employees on the forum who are part of the team of employees who run the draws??
Or is it just someone you dislike for some reason and are casting insults??
Post by: LongBomb on June 22, 2018, 10:12:53 PM
" In today's instant gratification society"
The first part of jackelopes signature at the bottom of his posts speak wonders to some ppl that are whining about this
Post by: Tbar on June 22, 2018, 10:25:33 PM
:fire.:I would be fine with the post cards!
" In today's instant gratification society"
The first part of jackelopes signature at the bottom of his posts speak wonders to some ppl that are whining about this
Post by: dscubame on June 22, 2018, 10:50:09 PM
Post by: Tbar on June 22, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
No, the "draw team" is on here. Want their real names to call the nrb and ask?Tbar- why do you say the draw team was on here?There were and have been for several years. Not sure if that's the best expenditure of our tax dollars but it's a fact. The team and their fearless leader can chime in at any time but lack the integrity.
Are you claiming there are WDFW employees on the forum who are part of the team of employees who run the draws??
Or is it just someone you dislike for some reason and are casting insults??
Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2018, 11:20:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2018, 06:02:28 AM
So “on here” means monitoring the forum? Because I thought you meant they were members and posting in the thread or something significant. WDFW has been monitoring this forum for years for multiple reasons. It’s probably one of the best means they have for heating the voice of the WA hunters.No, the "draw team" is on here. Want their real names to call the nrb and ask?Tbar- why do you say the draw team was on here?There were and have been for several years. Not sure if that's the best expenditure of our tax dollars but it's a fact. The team and their fearless leader can chime in at any time but lack the integrity.
Are you claiming there are WDFW employees on the forum who are part of the team of employees who run the draws??
Or is it just someone you dislike for some reason and are casting insults??
Don’t post anyone’s names. I’m sure you wouldn’t want yours posted. Same goes for everyone.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 23, 2018, 06:06:09 AM
I'm on the "team"
Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2018, 06:07:56 AM
Post by: Tbar on June 23, 2018, 06:18:29 AM
As always, you are the protector. I don't work for the state and not am public employee. Yes, members of your forum!So “on here” means monitoring the forum? Because I thought you meant they were members and posting in the thread or something significant. WDFW has been monitoring this forum for years for multiple reasons. It’s probably one of the best means they have for heating the voice of the WA hunters.No, the "draw team" is on here. Want their real names to call the nrb and ask?Tbar- why do you say the draw team was on here?There were and have been for several years. Not sure if that's the best expenditure of our tax dollars but it's a fact. The team and their fearless leader can chime in at any time but lack the integrity.
Are you claiming there are WDFW employees on the forum who are part of the team of employees who run the draws??
Or is it just someone you dislike for some reason and are casting insults??
Don’t post anyone’s names. I’m sure you wouldn’t want yours posted. Same goes for everyone.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on June 23, 2018, 06:36:16 AM
Post by: Tbar on June 23, 2018, 06:37:45 AM
Bring back the green postcards. One? none? Multiple? Now that is anticipation w/o instant gratification or disappointment. :chuckle: Oh, and the window stickers for vehicle passes. :tup::yeah:
The little eagle sticker.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 23, 2018, 07:03:01 AM
Post by: Watimberghost on June 23, 2018, 07:51:58 AM
I wouldn't tell the whole world when the official release date is if the program can't handle the traffic. I wouldn't send an email at 5:30am instructing the recepitant to check results in "a few hours". I waited 4 hours after i recieved that email to check my results. Didnt consider myself a child for that ;).
Again, results came out the day they said they would. But i think the department could help themselves out a little more.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 23, 2018, 07:57:05 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 23, 2018, 08:23:00 AM
Post by: fisheral87 on June 23, 2018, 08:50:42 AM
If the system would allow them to conduct the draws without posting the info, then tell us it will be posted the 22nd, run everything the 21st, post it the 22nd at 9am. That would effectively manage my expectations.
Keep up the good work WDFW.
Al
Post by: trophyhunt on June 23, 2018, 08:57:58 AM
I like the new online system. I think the multiple emails are unnecessary. It was awesome that they said the draws would be done by the 21st and they were done by the 21st.i like that, if they would have said results posted the next day, they would have had half the traffic on the server. And then, if they did finish early, they could release results early.
If the system would allow them to conduct the draws without posting the info, then tell us it will be posted the 22nd, run everything the 21st, post it the 22nd at 9am. That would effectively manage my expectations.
Keep up the good work WDFW.
Al
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2018, 09:00:23 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on June 23, 2018, 09:02:28 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 23, 2018, 09:08:11 AM
If you're reading this, would it be possible to get the draw result summary posted the same day the results are posted?
I only ask because I'm aware of at least two states that do- Wyoming and Colorado.
If not the same day, at least within a week or two would be nice, instead of the several months that it seems to be.
Post by: idahohuntr on June 23, 2018, 09:14:14 AM
WDFW,:yeah:
If you're reading this, would it be possible to get the draw result summary posted the same day the results are posted?
I only ask because I'm aware of at least two states that do- Wyoming and Colorado.
If not the same day, at least within a week or two would be nice, instead of the several months that it seems to be.
Post by: Bob33 on June 23, 2018, 09:16:29 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 23, 2018, 09:20:36 AM
As always, you are the protector. I don't work for the state and not am public employee. Yes, members of your forum!So “on here” means monitoring the forum? Because I thought you meant they were members and posting in the thread or something significant. WDFW has been monitoring this forum for years for multiple reasons. It’s probably one of the best means they have for heating the voice of the WA hunters.No, the "draw team" is on here. Want their real names to call the nrb and ask?Tbar- why do you say the draw team was on here?There were and have been for several years. Not sure if that's the best expenditure of our tax dollars but it's a fact. The team and their fearless leader can chime in at any time but lack the integrity.
Are you claiming there are WDFW employees on the forum who are part of the team of employees who run the draws??
Or is it just someone you dislike for some reason and are casting insults??
Don’t post anyone’s names. I’m sure you wouldn’t want yours posted. Same goes for everyone.
Not the protector. Just the guy who keeps the rules set that the owner of the forum put in place.
Post by: Special T on June 23, 2018, 10:05:48 AM
Draw results are the most highly anticipated event of the year for many hunters.I really agree Bob33. It the department only paid attention to one post it should be this one. Unfortuntaly this isn't the only area where they injure themselves needlessly.
In my opinion there were two issues which hurt WDFW’s credibility. First, they stated the results would be available “early” on June 21. I doubt that most applicants consider mid-afternoon as “early”. When other states like Wyoming indicate that results will be available at 8:00 a.m., they are almost always available at 08:00:00 to within a couple seconds.
Secondly, the emails were inconsistently issued: if the emails weren’t processed correctly, what else wasn’t processed correctly? In retrospective this appears to have no effect on draw results, but still leaves WDFW with somewhat of a black eye.
Anyone whom has run a club or event will tell you that there will always be complainers. It has been my experience that to reduce the amount of complaining explanation of how and why they do things is helpful.
I love the fact that members on here have been witnesses to the draw and have learned first hand what's going on. When they share their thoughts we all benefit from their experience.
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Post by: cem3434 on June 23, 2018, 10:15:35 AM
If the contractor says "I'll be at your house early tomorrow" and you wait around until 4:30 in the afternoon for him to show up, I doubt very many would consider that acceptable.
As a contractor, I'm offended that you would compare us to WDFW. :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on June 23, 2018, 10:19:24 AM
WDFWinsider was and talked some about it... and actually provided some interesting insight... but he got stomped on for schtupping his boss and even harassed after he left the department for coming back on here and talking about the system.Tbar- why do you say the draw team was on here?There were and have been for several years. Not sure if that's the best expenditure of our tax dollars but it's a fact. The team and their fearless leader can chime in at any time but lack the integrity.
Are you claiming there are WDFW employees on the forum who are part of the team of employees who run the draws??
Or is it just someone you dislike for some reason and are casting insults??
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Post by: Bob33 on June 23, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
"If" the contractor... :tup:If the contractor says "I'll be at your house early tomorrow" and you wait around until 4:30 in the afternoon for him to show up, I doubt very many would consider that acceptable.
As a contractor, I'm offended that you would compare us to WDFW. :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on June 23, 2018, 10:31:53 AM
I think this discussion is mostly a good one. There have been lots of constructive suggestions and criticisms. If those that work for the department and view this discussion can sift through all the frustration then we will all be better off for it.As always, you are the protector. I don't work for the state and not am public employee. Yes, members of your forum!So “on here” means monitoring the forum? Because I thought you meant they were members and posting in the thread or something significant. WDFW has been monitoring this forum for years for multiple reasons. It’s probably one of the best means they have for heating the voice of the WA hunters.No, the "draw team" is on here. Want their real names to call the nrb and ask?Tbar- why do you say the draw team was on here?There were and have been for several years. Not sure if that's the best expenditure of our tax dollars but it's a fact. The team and their fearless leader can chime in at any time but lack the integrity.
Are you claiming there are WDFW employees on the forum who are part of the team of employees who run the draws??
Or is it just someone you dislike for some reason and are casting insults??
Don’t post anyone’s names. I’m sure you wouldn’t want yours posted. Same goes for everyone.
Unfortunatly many folks don't tune out the incessant whining and negativity. In every controversial discussion on here. There are always folks on here whom try to say something serious/thoughtful about the situation.
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Post by: Bob33 on June 23, 2018, 10:36:56 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 23, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
My favorites are the complainers who complain...about complainers.
:yeah:
:chuckle:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on June 23, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
Post by: fisheral87 on June 23, 2018, 12:14:52 PM
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It’s 2018, they should have this dialed in by now.
You’d think that after thousands of years humanity should have world peace and financial independence, but we haven’t figured that out yet either, so I think WDFW can keep working to get better just like the rest of us.
Al
Post by: bearpaw on June 23, 2018, 12:53:56 PM
There are some good points being discussed but we all need to remember that name calling is against forum rules. I removed a few posts and ask that everyone please keep it a civil discussion.
THANKS,
Dale
Post by: 520backyard on June 23, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Post by: JWBINX on June 23, 2018, 09:14:32 PM
Then we could all get something done other than our undies all bunched up. :tup:
Post by: baker5150 on June 24, 2018, 05:00:44 PM
I'll concede that the lack of emails going out is an oversight but to call it a failure of the draw system is a stretch. THE DRAW was conducted without issue. The emails going out or not going out had no ill effect on the DRAW SYSTEM.I didn't get the antlerless email but I got the antlerless permit. Of all the things to complain about I guess that makes the least sense to me :dunno:
Not a complaint, just answering his question.
It didn't bother me at all, but it was certainly a failure of their system.
There could still be guys out there waiting for an email that the draw was done. Probably matters to them more than us.
I don't even ask to be notified but got 4 emails for categories I don't apply for. Found another 2 in my spam folder. The whole email thing is very strange to say the least.
And that’s my point. They can’t get an email notification right, but we are supposed to believe they get the draw right? Accountability is always needed, especially when the govt is involved. They make a mistake, we need to know why and how it won’t happen again.
Post by: returnofsid on June 26, 2018, 06:26:19 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 26, 2018, 06:31:17 PM
I'm still waiting for the email, informing me that the draw has been completed. Applied for 4 categories, received zero emails.I only received 2 emails out of about 8 categories, I don't believe they will do the email thing anymore. They said it didn't turn out to be a good idea, maybe they stopped sending them after a while, I don't know.
Post by: Rainier10 on June 28, 2018, 09:03:08 AM
I think we should just have to wait for post cards in the mail, like in the past..I seriously haven't talked to my mailman since they went away from the snail mail announcements.
Then we could all get something done other than our undies all bunched up. :tup:
Post by: Rainier10 on June 28, 2018, 09:06:00 AM
I'm still waiting for the email, informing me that the draw has been completed. Applied for 4 categories, received zero emails.When you submitted your apps did you check the box that said "notify me of results via email"? Do you enter the correct email address?
Post by: trophyhunt on June 28, 2018, 09:41:50 AM
thats right! Completely forgot about that and I didn’t check those boxes.I'm still waiting for the email, informing me that the draw has been completed. Applied for 4 categories, received zero emails.When you submitted your apps did you check the box that said "notify me of results via email"? Do you enter the correct email address?
Post by: Rainier10 on June 28, 2018, 10:09:55 AM
I did on some and then thought "why do I want to get notified 68 times that results are out". That's right, 68 apps for my wife, my kids and I. :yike: Anyways I quit clicking the box part ways through. What I didn't realize was they were going to release results a little at a time. They only notified me of quality elk first, then later in the morning another category, an hour after that another category. If I had only checked the notify by email on the regular buck category I wouldn't have got an email until after 11am. Next year I am checking the box on all categories just to make sure whatever they announce first I get an email about.thats right! Completely forgot about that and I didn’t check those boxes.I'm still waiting for the email, informing me that the draw has been completed. Applied for 4 categories, received zero emails.When you submitted your apps did you check the box that said "notify me of results via email"? Do you enter the correct email address?