Post by: yorketransport on July 02, 2018, 09:22:39 PM
https://blackjackbullets.com/product-category/bullets/?v=7516fd43adaa
A 131gr .257 bullet doesn't offer any practical advantage over 115gr 6mm or 147gr eld-M 6.5mm, but it's just different enough to be interesting.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 03, 2018, 07:32:57 AM
It could be a pretty good thing if more companies join.
Post by: jasnt on July 03, 2018, 07:38:58 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 03, 2018, 08:29:16 AM
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/25-284-build.202904/?utm_source=sendy&utm_medium=email&utm_content=email%20newsletter&utm_campaign=2018-05-21
Post by: birddogdad on July 03, 2018, 08:45:51 AM
I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I'm actually intrigued by this one.
https://blackjackbullets.com/product-category/bullets/?v=7516fd43adaa
A 131gr .257 bullet doesn't offer any practical advantage over 115gr 6mm or 147gr eld-M 6.5mm, but it's just different enough to be interesting.
haven't messed with , very happy with the 115 bergers in mine...
Post by: jackelope on July 03, 2018, 08:47:49 AM
Post by: jasnt on July 03, 2018, 10:02:49 AM
Wish I had a faster twist barrel... 1:10 won't shoot these as near as I can tell.prob 1:7
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 03, 2018, 10:18:00 AM
Blackjack is selling 7.5 tw blanks I think. Or at least pre ordering them on their site with the bulletsWish I had a faster twist barrel... 1:10 won't shoot these as near as I can tell.prob 1:7
Post by: jackelope on July 03, 2018, 10:30:18 AM
Post by: jasnt on July 03, 2018, 12:15:22 PM
Post by: yorketransport on July 03, 2018, 02:18:11 PM
I may need to drop to a 1-8' twist, but I think I've got an idea what to do with these.....
Post by: jasnt on July 03, 2018, 03:53:38 PM
Post by: b23 on July 04, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
Post by: yorketransport on July 04, 2018, 03:19:15 PM
I see that Blackjack place has a pretty big 48hr sale on their .25 cal Lilja barrels but if you're interested in one you may not want to wait because it ends July 5th at midnight. https://blackjackbullets.com/product-category/barrel-blanks/lilja-barrel-blanks/?v=7516fd43adaa
I have to give those guys a ton of credit for going all in on this. Setting it up so that you can get bullets as well as appropriate barrels and reamers from one vendor was a great move.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 05, 2018, 09:15:54 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 05, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
Tough to find twist rates faster than 1:10” but these should help change that
Post by: mountainman on July 05, 2018, 10:31:36 PM
Post by: yorketransport on July 06, 2018, 06:17:52 PM
Lots of overbore quarter bores out there. Wish these came out several months ago when I was rebarreling a .25-06
Tough to find twist rates faster than 1:10” but these should help change that
That's why I'm glad that they're offering barrels with an appropriate twist rate too. I ordered up a 1-7" X-Caliber blank from them since they're on sale for $199 right now. I haven't had any of the X-Caliber barrels but I know a couple people who've been using them for a while with good results. I'll nail down what to do with it later I guess.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 06, 2018, 08:17:03 PM
I had a reamer done by Dave Kiff some time back. My version of a .25 Souper, just more case capacity. Minimum body tapper. Shoulder blown forward (37 Degree). That’s a .243 case sitting under the reamer.
I like short action 25’s. I had a .257 DGR when Duane first did them and a 25 Souper years back. Shot allot of Chucks with them.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FIMG_7558_zpsrszl2wov.jpg&hash=466eba55e1e15fb6e23883eab09fd12d4d9b9961) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7558_zpsrszl2wov.jpg.html)
Post by: yorketransport on July 06, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
Post by: yorketransport on July 18, 2018, 09:22:05 PM
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/barrel-blank-coupon-code-price-too-low-to-show.205155/
I’m thinking of grabbing a magnum sported contour to go with the Sendero profile I ordered last week.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 18, 2018, 09:54:09 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 19, 2018, 06:23:29 AM
Post by: yorketransport on July 19, 2018, 07:02:16 PM
Would be super interested in a .25-06AI to mess with these. Regular -06 would do well but not get a little extra zip?
The 25-06 is boring, you need to be a guinea pig for my 257 BS (Boondoggle Short). :chuckle:
6.5 Grendel on the left, 257 BS, 25-06.
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Post by: jasnt on July 19, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
Post by: yorketransport on July 19, 2018, 07:51:46 PM
Maybe I missed it. What’s the boondoggle parent case?
In keeping with my mission statement of using readily available brass and dies, the 257 BS is basically a 6.5 PRC necked down to 257. I formed that case from piece of 375 Ruger basic brass that I cut down, sized in a 338 RCM die, then a 300 RCM die, necked down to 270 with a 270 WSM die, then ran it into a 6.5 PRC bushing die that I just picked up on clearance for $28 from Midway with a .296 bushing first then followed up with a .289 bushing. It could also be made from cut down 8x68s brass.
I haven't decided if I want to use the 6.5 PRC case or use the 300 RCM case though. The 300 RCM would give a longer neck while the 6.5 PRC just makes the whole thing easier.
Post by: jasnt on July 19, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 19, 2018, 09:49:11 PM
Would be super interested in a .25-06AI to mess with these. Regular -06 would do well but not get a little extra zip?
The 25-06 is boring, you need to be a guinea pig for my 257 BS (Boondoggle Short). :chuckle:
6.5 Grendel on the left, 257 BS, 25-06.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvR0pvo6.jpg%3F1&hash=59eb0bdfa151ff27ee93f86ce3e9d917b8e38b03) (https://imgur.com/vR0pvo6)
I like the look of that. Plus I’ve been thinking about what to rebarrel a short action with that isn’t “boring” or a WSM/SAUM
Might have to hit you up on that in a year or so.
Post by: jasnt on July 20, 2018, 05:14:04 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on July 20, 2018, 09:29:48 AM
Maybe I missed it. What’s the boondoggle parent case?
In keeping with my mission statement of using readily available brass and dies, the 257 BS is basically a 6.5 PRC necked down to 257. I formed that case from piece of 375 Ruger basic brass that I cut down, sized in a 338 RCM die, then a 300 RCM die, necked down to 270 with a 270 WSM die, then ran it into a 6.5 PRC bushing die that I just picked up on clearance for $28 from Midway with a .296 bushing first then followed up with a .289 bushing. It could also be made from cut down 8x68s brass.
I haven't decided if I want to use the 6.5 PRC case or use the 300 RCM case though. The 300 RCM would give a longer neck while the 6.5 PRC just makes the whole thing easier.
Sounds like a Rube Goldberg wildcat!
Post by: yorketransport on July 20, 2018, 05:21:12 PM
Sounds like a Rube Goldberg wildcat!
Great reference! That's essentially what this is, an over engineered attempt at duplicating a 257 Weatherby.
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 23, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 23, 2018, 08:44:22 PM
I ordered bullets and a barrel from Blackjack at the begging of July. I received a notification that my order was complete. Whatever that means, there was no shipping or tracking info. I knew when I ordered it was a pre-order deal so I have no problem with the delivery time. But I did what to get my hands on the 131gr "Ace" bullet.
I was thinking the same thing earlier today. I don't have a real plan for the barrel but I wouldn't mind getting a couple of the bullets to decide on the freebore for the reamer I'm making.
If it makes you feel better, I ordered one of the ARC Nucleus actions back in January and they had a mid April delivery date. I might see it by next April. It reminds me a lot of waiting for Benchmark Barrels to complete an order. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 29, 2018, 06:24:31 PM
I don’t think any chambering on a short action is going to get me where I want to be speed wise.
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Post by: jasnt on August 29, 2018, 07:50:01 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 29, 2018, 08:02:03 PM
Hmmm .25”x68s?
Hmmmmmm? Don’t know. I can’t do anything Yorke is thinking of or I would become his Hunt WA stalker. I already have one of those, just read any post of mine and my “Stalker” isn’t too far behind.
Hey Yorke! I’m already bored with this .416 Ruger. Got any cool trade fodder?👍 Almost smoked a coyote with it the other day. Open sights, 200 yards running. The bullet impact looked like a mortar round going off in the wheat field.
Post by: jasnt on August 29, 2018, 08:20:44 PM
:chuckle:Hmmm .25”x68s?
Hmmmmmm? Don’t know. I can’t do anything Yorke is thinking of or I would become his Hunt WA stalker. I already have one of those, just read any post of mine and my “Stalker” isn’t too far behind.
Hey Yorke! I’m already bored with this .416 Ruger. Got any cool trade fodder?👍 Almost smoked a coyote with it the other day. Open sights, 200 yards running. The bullet impact looked like a mortar round going off in the wheat field.
It’d be to boring going 25/06. Even ai is bland. Maybe 25/7rm
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 29, 2018, 08:29:16 PM
:chuckle:Hmmm .25”x68s?
Hmmmmmm? Don’t know. I can’t do anything Yorke is thinking of or I would become his Hunt WA stalker. I already have one of those, just read any post of mine and my “Stalker” isn’t too far behind.
Hey Yorke! I’m already bored with this .416 Ruger. Got any cool trade fodder?👍 Almost smoked a coyote with it the other day. Open sights, 200 yards running. The bullet impact looked like a mortar round going off in the wheat field.
It’d be to boring going 25/06. Even ai is bland. Maybe 25/7rm
That’s a thought 13-14 years ago I was killing deer with a .257 Arnold Magnum, which is a .257-7mm Mag. If your going to run a long action, run a case with some capacity. I believe Pac-Nor has a reamer for the .257/25-.300 Win Mag. I can’t stand the Weatherby double radius shoulder or their freebore. :puke:
Post by: jasnt on August 29, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 29, 2018, 08:55:44 PM
Hmmm .25”x68s?
Hmmmmmm? Don’t know. I can’t do anything Yorke is thinking of or I would become his Hunt WA stalker. I already have one of those, just read any post of mine and my “Stalker” isn’t too far behind.
Hey Yorke! I’m already bored with this .416 Ruger. Got any cool trade fodder?👍 Almost smoked a coyote with it the other day. Open sights, 200 yards running. The bullet impact looked like a mortar round going off in the wheat field.
My Sendero profile barrel showed up today too. :tup: I'm in the same boat though, thought I knew what I wanted but now I'm not sure. I have a push feed Model 70 short action that I planned to use for my 257 BS (Boondoggle Short) but now I'm trying to decide whether to go for all out speed or maybe something a little slower and use it as a small bore plinker. I'd suggest a 257 Badger but I think you'd turn those 131gr bullets inside out from a 1-7" twist barrel at those speeds. The guys at Black Jack seem a little concerned about their bullets holding together over out of a 7" twist barrel at over 3200 fps. The 128gr Hammer Hunter will hold together though!
Let me see what I can dig up in trade vault for the 416. It would make a nice companion for my 375 Ruger. I actually snapped a shot at a young coyote with the 375 and a 275gr Sledge Hammer a couple nights ago while bear hunting. It was a little farther than I thought and the coyote was a little smaller than I thought so I went just over the top of him and gave him a hair cut. I really wanted see how the bullet performed. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 29, 2018, 08:56:17 PM
What are you speed goals for the 131?
As fast as it will go on a magnum long action. My only concern is that the throat lasts more than 200 rounds.
.25 PRC
.25 Nosler
.25-300 Win Mag Improved
.25-STW
And the list goes on. Yorke hogged up the Ruger case.
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 29, 2018, 09:01:30 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on August 29, 2018, 09:09:06 PM
185gr RDF (Left)
177gr Hammer Hunter (Right)
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Oh. And a little something to frost the next project with.😊 Complimets of :
https://www.badgermountainsupply.com
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Post by: bullfisher on August 29, 2018, 09:46:58 PM
I was gonna suggest a 25 prc due to that 7 twist. But a 25 nosler would be pretty bitchin, if it would hold together!What are you speed goals for the 131?
As fast as it will go on a magnum long action. My only concern is that the throat lasts more than 200 rounds.
.25 PRC
.25 Nosler
.25-300 Win Mag Improved
.25-STW
And the list goes on. Yorke hogged up the Ruger case.
Post by: mountainman on August 30, 2018, 07:21:04 PM
Post by: yorketransport on September 10, 2018, 07:56:20 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 10, 2018, 08:43:29 PM
Post by: jasnt on September 11, 2018, 05:19:43 AM
Post by: b23 on September 11, 2018, 09:06:05 AM
Sounds like these bullets will start rolling out in a couple weeks. I'm not in a big rush since I still haven't figured out what to build but I've got it narrowed down to the 25x47 Lapua, 25/6.5 PRC or a 25/300 PRC. I've got short actions with .473 and .532 bolt faces and a long action .532 bolt face to work with. The guys at HD Custom Rifles have a 25x47 Lapua reamer and I would have to have the other two made. These are the real decisions that keep me up at night. :chuckle:
Since you mentioned you have a mag bolt face LA to work with you could build a 25-7mm Blaser Mag. I could send you some 7mm Blaser cases to play with if you'd like. Case capacity is right around 84gr of water.
The cases are a little shorter but fatter than a 7mm Rem mag so regardless of the bullet, length won't be an issue. They're non belted cases as well.
Post by: yorketransport on September 11, 2018, 08:29:34 PM
Since you mentioned you have a mag bolt face LA to work with you could build a 25-7mm Blaser Mag. I could send you some 7mm Blaser cases to play with if you'd like. Case capacity is right around 84gr of water.
The cases are a little shorter but fatter than a 7mm Rem mag so regardless of the bullet, length won't be an issue. They're non belted cases as well.
That's an interesting case to work off of, I always forget about that one. It would probably give a couple grains more usable capacity than the 257 Weatherby loaded to the same OAL.
Post by: b23 on September 11, 2018, 11:40:26 PM
Since you mentioned you have a mag bolt face LA to work with you could build a 25-7mm Blaser Mag. I could send you some 7mm Blaser cases to play with if you'd like. Case capacity is right around 84gr of water.
The cases are a little shorter but fatter than a 7mm Rem mag so regardless of the bullet, length won't be an issue. They're non belted cases as well.
That's an interesting case to work off of, I always forget about that one. It would probably give a couple grains more usable capacity than the 257 Weatherby loaded to the same OAL.
It would be pretty similar to the 257 Weatherby but I think the case design is better with the Blaser and your OAL would definitely be shorter. The case capacities are nearly the same but the Blaser case is 200 thou shorter than the Weatherby case is. The OAL, shooting the 180 Bergers, in my 7mm Blaser is well under 3.300
Like I said, if you'd like a some cases to mess around with, shoot me a PM with how many you want, where to send them, and I'll get some headed your way.
I always thought a 270 Blaser Mag shooting something like the 170 Bergers would be kind of fun but the thought of only having one decent BC 270 bullet has always made me shy away from that project.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 02, 2018, 12:07:52 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 02, 2018, 12:12:22 PM
I got a notice yesterday that the bullets I had preordered just shipped. Lost my “Go” gauge for my wildcat reamer I plan on using to chamber a rifle for this bullet. So I’m waiting on PTG to get the “Go” gauge to me.soon as the go gage ships you’ll find yours. Did you check the center console? 😂
Post by: yorketransport on October 02, 2018, 02:39:52 PM
I got a notice yesterday that the bullets I had preordered just shipped. Lost my “Go” gauge for my wildcat reamer I plan on using to chamber a rifle for this bullet. So I’m waiting on PTG to get the “Go” gauge to me.
That should set the whole project back 6-8 weeks with PTGs turnaround on custom orders. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 02, 2018, 05:59:48 PM
I got a notice yesterday that the bullets I had preordered just shipped. Lost my “Go” gauge for my wildcat reamer I plan on using to chamber a rifle for this bullet. So I’m waiting on PTG to get the “Go” gauge to me.
That should set the whole project back 6-8 weeks with PTGs turnaround on custom orders. :chuckle:
I realized I had lost it several months ago and ordered a new one 7 or 8 weeks back. I should have it by Christmas or so. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 04, 2018, 04:48:40 PM
.25 Cal 131gr “Ace” bullet. .330 G7 BC.
For size comparison.
6.5 143gr Hornady ELD-X. G7 .315(Left)
25 Cal Blackjack 131gr “Ace” bullet. G7 .330 (Right)
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Post by: b23 on October 04, 2018, 06:55:35 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 04, 2018, 07:16:39 PM
Those things look just like the new Sierra SMK's. Pretty sleek looking bullet.Sierra is making them.
Post by: yorketransport on October 05, 2018, 02:24:56 PM
Those things look just like the new Sierra SMK's. Pretty sleek looking bullet.Sierra is making them.
I was a little surprised that the guys at BlackJack were so slow to come out and say that Sierra was making them. It seems like that that would have been a great selling point from the start.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 05, 2018, 03:12:59 PM
:yeah: it would show that they are being made by an experienced and quality maker and not just some dude who got a new bullet machine.Those things look just like the new Sierra SMK's. Pretty sleek looking bullet.Sierra is making them.
I was a little surprised that the guys at BlackJack were so slow to come out and say that Sierra was making them. It seems like that that would have been a great selling point from the start.
I wonder how much of this type of arrangement goes on the industry?
Also wonder if Sierra will make their own quarter bore match king also?
Post by: mountainman on October 05, 2018, 04:26:59 PM
More of it then most people realize. Bullets to barrels!:yeah: it would show that they are being made by an experienced and quality maker and not just some dude who got a new bullet machine.Those things look just like the new Sierra SMK's. Pretty sleek looking bullet.Sierra is making them.
I was a little surprised that the guys at BlackJack were so slow to come out and say that Sierra was making them. It seems like that that would have been a great selling point from the start.
I wonder how much of this type of arrangement goes on the industry?
Also wonder if Sierra will make their own quarter bore match king also?
Post by: b23 on October 05, 2018, 05:07:12 PM
Those things look just like the new Sierra SMK's. Pretty sleek looking bullet.Sierra is making them.
Guess that would explain why they look just like all the new SMK's.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 05, 2018, 05:18:14 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 05, 2018, 05:26:00 PM
I’m surprised X-Caliber barrels doesn’t have a .25 Creedmoor offering in their AR10 barrels.
I heard they were going to, but then realized that anything with the name Creedmoor in it sucks. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 05, 2018, 05:43:15 PM
I’m surprised X-Caliber barrels doesn’t have a .25 Creedmoor offering in their AR10 barrels.
I heard they were going to, but then realized that anything with the name Creedmoor in it sucks. :chuckle:
Everybody hates a winner!👍
Post by: mountainman on October 05, 2018, 06:34:29 PM
C'mon York, be nice to the Creedmor crew. They can't help it, God made them that way😉
Post by: yorketransport on October 05, 2018, 08:56:15 PM
:chuckle:C'mon York, be nice to the Creedmor crew. They can't help it, God made them that way😉I’m surprised X-Caliber barrels doesn’t have a .25 Creedmoor offering in their AR10 barrels.
I heard they were going to, but then realized that anything with the name Creedmoor in it sucks. :chuckle:
Everyone knows that the 6.5x47 Lapua case is the classier way to get 95% of the performance for 99% less harassment!
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 05, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
:chuckle:C'mon York, be nice to the Creedmor crew. They can't help it, God made them that way😉I’m surprised X-Caliber barrels doesn’t have a .25 Creedmoor offering in their AR10 barrels.
I heard they were going to, but then realized that anything with the name Creedmoor in it sucks. :chuckle:
Everyone knows that the 6.5x47 Lapua case is the classier way to get 95% of the performance for 99% less harassment!
But then again, I have known some complete idiots that thought the 6.5x47 chambering in itself made them one of the top PRC shooters in some alternate universe. If you really want to do it right. A 6.5-.284 with the right throat is the way to go on a short action. Being it necked 6mm, .257 or 6.5.👍