Post by: SniperDanWA on July 12, 2018, 01:31:04 PM
1. RV when empty is about 5K. There are different options for the towing packages on the Tundra. Is the integrated braking system a good product? I do want a separate tranny cooler and see that as an option on many models.
2. I noted that there is an Off Road Package. Are they all not set up that way? Is that useful for mountain driving or is it more for back road hunting?
3. There is the Grade, SR5, 1794, Limited, . . . I know the higher the model the more options, and cost, as well as repai when something breaks, but what model is similar to a Silverado or a XLT Lariat? Looks like the models vary a lot when purchased as to options, far more than other makes.
4. Anyone bought a truck in or from Canada? Worth it?
5. Rear end ratio and limited slip. Can you fill me in on Toyota’s track record with the different versions?
Thanks for you honest feedback.
I’ll be selling a 2000, white, long-box, 4x4, extended cab, F150 XLT Lariat that has been well cared for with brand new BFG KO2 2857517 rubber. Truck has 183K miles, I believe. I wouldn’t sell if I didn’t need the cash for the new truck.
Post by: 724wd on July 12, 2018, 02:07:31 PM
Hopefully the newer models aren't so stodgy.
Post by: SniperDanWA on July 12, 2018, 02:09:29 PM
Post by: JJB11B on July 12, 2018, 02:18:28 PM
Post by: AROTTY on July 12, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
1. Almost every Tundra came from the factory with the tow pkg. If it didn't and has an aftermarket hitch it was most likely a fleet vehicle. The years that you are looking at didn't have a factory TBC. That wasn't an option until the refresh which was 2014.
2.Off road pkg is bilstein shocks and different springs. Also A-trac for low range which is a really nice feature if you go off road. Found on SR5's and limiteds. They all came with the 5 spoke 18 alloy. The base grade or platinum trucks didn't have the off road pkg.
3. SR5 is the middle of the road. Like an XLT ford.
4. If you buy Canadian you need to really be careful about the rust. You will also take a hit on resale value. However you can buy them for 2k less than a similliarly equipped USA truck. My current Silverado is Canadian but I went over it with a fine tooth comb.
5. Some of the early rear ends had issues but much less than you would see at a Ford or Chevy shop. All the tow pkg trucks come with a 4:30 ratio. The non tow pkg trucks had 4:10. The mileage is comparable to a 5.4 ford or non AFM Chevy 5.3. The one thing i don't like about tundras is that they will squat under load when towing. They have really good brakes and if you wanted to upgrade to Sumosprings or airbags they make pretty good tow rigs besides the mileage.
Post by: SniperDanWA on July 12, 2018, 03:41:36 PM
Post by: 724wd on July 12, 2018, 04:05:37 PM
Some friends just bought a '15 double cab with 77,000 miles for under $30,000 (lease return). PO lived in Grand Coulee and likely worked in or around Spokane to get that many miles. It's a 4wd 5.7 but not a top-of-the-line package. still a heck of a nice truck!
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Post by: fowl smacker on July 13, 2018, 08:54:58 PM
Post by: SniperDanWA on July 13, 2018, 09:50:44 PM
Post by: Jason on July 13, 2018, 10:12:26 PM
Tows great, I have the tow package on it with brake controller.
The 5.7 has plenty power, that's for sure. That said I would buy a diesel if I was towing often and would recommend a 3/4-1 ton truck. This is my 2nd Tundra and I will buy a newer one around 2025.
Post by: gee_unit360 on July 13, 2018, 10:55:06 PM
I have a 2017 Crew Max TRD Limited. It is my 3rd Tundra, no issues with any. Mine has the 31 gal tank, I'm averaging 15.2mpg (actual check, not the computer). I love the power, tow occasionally. Great trucks, I'll get another one some day.
I’m 2017 they make a 38 and a 26 gallon fuel tank, however on the 38 it only lets you use 30 to 31 gallons before your fuel tank reads empty. Supposedly because it’s a submerged fuel filter in the gas tank. You actually have another 8 gallons to burn when it reads empty, but I’m not sure what it would do to the vehicle.
Post by: thinkingman on July 17, 2018, 03:54:29 PM
Makes you think it has power but it's really just making the most of the torque with high revs and short gearing.
The reason you see so many lifted Toyotas is because the rear suspension is pathetic, at best.
Most Tundras have airbags or Timbrens. No way can you use it like a truck without one or the other.
I just bought an F150 after 9 years of Toyota 'quality'.
The F150 is so much better in every way....Power, ride quality, capacity, quiet, it's just generations ahead....Literally.
Buy a Toyota for the look. Buy a Ford if you need a truck.
Post by: C-Money on July 17, 2018, 04:15:58 PM
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Post by: Wanttohuntmore on July 17, 2018, 07:09:51 PM
Post by: gee_unit360 on July 17, 2018, 07:50:00 PM
The Tundra has the old skool 5.7L V8 and the extremely short gears, as already mentioned, 4.10.
Makes you think it has power but it's really just making the most of the torque with high revs and short gearing.
The reason you see so many lifted Toyotas is because the rear suspension is pathetic, at best.
Most Tundras have airbags or Timbrens. No way can you use it like a truck without one or the other.
I just bought an F150 after 9 years of Toyota 'quality'.
The F150 is so much better in every way....Power, ride quality, capacity, quiet, it's just generations ahead....Literally.
Buy a Toyota for the look. Buy a Ford if you need a truck.
By a F-150 if you want it to break down after 100,000 Miles. There’s a reason Toyota has the highest re-sale value.
Post by: fowl smacker on July 17, 2018, 09:13:37 PM
Ah, yes you are correct. My window sticker says 38 gal, however when "empty" it takes 31 gal. I'm not going to try the extra 7. What also cracks me up is people comparing their 3/4 and 1 ton diesels to the Tundra. Yes of course your diesel is going to tow more and have a higher load capacity. We're talking apples and oranges. Don't get all defensive because a gas engine 1/2 ton is right behind in performance. And I have towed a 8,700 LB boat and gear with mine from Castle Rock to LaPush and back and it did a really good job. Would I want to tow a 10,000 LB load all the time? No! But for the occasional towing of heavy things it does just fine.I have a 2017 Crew Max TRD Limited. It is my 3rd Tundra, no issues with any. Mine has the 31 gal tank, I'm averaging 15.2mpg (actual check, not the computer). I love the power, tow occasionally. Great trucks, I'll get another one some day.
I’m 2017 they make a 38 and a 26 gallon fuel tank, however on the 38 it only lets you use 30 to 31 gallons before your fuel tank reads empty. Supposedly because it’s a submerged fuel filter in the gas tank. You actually have another 8 gallons to burn when it reads empty, but I’m not sure what it would do to the vehicle.
Post by: thinkingman on July 19, 2018, 08:53:08 AM
The Tundra has the old skool 5.7L V8 and the extremely short gears, as already mentioned, 4.10.
Makes you think it has power but it's really just making the most of the torque with high revs and short gearing.
The reason you see so many lifted Toyotas is because the rear suspension is pathetic, at best.
Most Tundras have airbags or Timbrens. No way can you use it like a truck without one or the other.
I just bought an F150 after 9 years of Toyota 'quality'.
The F150 is so much better in every way....Power, ride quality, capacity, quiet, it's just generations ahead....Literally.
Buy a Toyota for the look. Buy a Ford if you need a truck.
By a F-150 if you want it to break down after 100,000 Miles. There’s a reason Toyota has the highest re-sale value.
Fanboy Kool-Aid.
Funny....I worked at a dealership and drove many 100k+ F150s and they are a testament to real quality and engineering.
Every Tundra we sold had Timbrens or airbags or boy-racer lift kits and were completely underwhelming.
You might want to check on some pretty significant quality issues on the national recall database....Just minor issues like frames rusting and breaking, bed rust, you know....stuff that makes a truck a truck.
Notice how many work trucks are Toyota?....
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 19, 2018, 09:41:21 AM
Ah, yes you are correct. My window sticker says 38 gal, however when "empty" it takes 31 gal. I'm not going to try the extra 7. What also cracks me up is people comparing their 3/4 and 1 ton diesels to the Tundra. Yes of course your diesel is going to tow more and have a higher load capacity. We're talking apples and oranges. Don't get all defensive because a gas engine 1/2 ton is right behind in performance. And I have towed a 8,700 LB boat and gear with mine from Castle Rock to LaPush and back and it did a really good job. Would I want to tow a 10,000 LB load all the time? No! But for the occasional towing of heavy things it does just fine.I have a 2017 Crew Max TRD Limited. It is my 3rd Tundra, no issues with any. Mine has the 31 gal tank, I'm averaging 15.2mpg (actual check, not the computer). I love the power, tow occasionally. Great trucks, I'll get another one some day.
I’m 2017 they make a 38 and a 26 gallon fuel tank, however on the 38 it only lets you use 30 to 31 gallons before your fuel tank reads empty. Supposedly because it’s a submerged fuel filter in the gas tank. You actually have another 8 gallons to burn when it reads empty, but I’m not sure what it would do to the vehicle.
This looks like apples to apples :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
https://www.hardworkingtrucks.com/half-ton-shootout-5-trucks-5-days-1-winner/
Post by: thinkingman on July 20, 2018, 02:58:22 PM
Toyota Fanboys will not like this...
Post by: Fishmaker57 on July 20, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
Post by: fowl smacker on July 20, 2018, 03:54:09 PM
If you read that whole thing, you would have read that the Tundra that Toyota sent was not equipped set up for towing (for some reason) as the rest of them. They should have run the test for 5 years then sold them and seen which one had the highest resale value. 😁Ah, yes you are correct. My window sticker says 38 gal, however when "empty" it takes 31 gal. I'm not going to try the extra 7. What also cracks me up is people comparing their 3/4 and 1 ton diesels to the Tundra. Yes of course your diesel is going to tow more and have a higher load capacity. We're talking apples and oranges. Don't get all defensive because a gas engine 1/2 ton is right behind in performance. And I have towed a 8,700 LB boat and gear with mine from Castle Rock to LaPush and back and it did a really good job. Would I want to tow a 10,000 LB load all the time? No! But for the occasional towing of heavy things it does just fine.I have a 2017 Crew Max TRD Limited. It is my 3rd Tundra, no issues with any. Mine has the 31 gal tank, I'm averaging 15.2mpg (actual check, not the computer). I love the power, tow occasionally. Great trucks, I'll get another one some day.
I’m 2017 they make a 38 and a 26 gallon fuel tank, however on the 38 it only lets you use 30 to 31 gallons before your fuel tank reads empty. Supposedly because it’s a submerged fuel filter in the gas tank. You actually have another 8 gallons to burn when it reads empty, but I’m not sure what it would do to the vehicle.
This looks like apples to apples :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
https://www.hardworkingtrucks.com/half-ton-shootout-5-trucks-5-days-1-winner/
Post by: fowl smacker on July 20, 2018, 04:02:55 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/truckin-every-full-size-pickup-truck-ranked-from-worst-to-best#1 (https://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/truckin-every-full-size-pickup-truck-ranked-from-worst-to-best#1)So Car and Driver (a Michigan based company) ranked GM and Ford (also Michigan based) above everything else........ WEIRD!
Toyota Fanboys will not like this...
Post by: Bofire on July 20, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
Carl
Post by: SniperDanWA on July 21, 2018, 12:02:51 AM
First truck, 1985 F150 4x4, standard cab, 4sp. I paid $13,875 for it with under 200 mi.
Second truck, 1989 Chevy K1500 shortbox extended cab 4x4, auto. I paid $18k and got $13K for the Ford. Yes, I had tricked the Ford out, but my friend owned the Chevy dealership and it just killed him that I was racing Ford cars, beating him, and towing with a Ford.
Third truck, this Ford that I have right now.
Yes, I put miles on my trucks. I tow with my trucks, but I don’t beat them up. I go through mud, snow, hunt, haul, tow, etc. I love my trucks. Utilitarian, the main reason. That said, most of them are not designed for a female to enjoy the ride. They are built for guys. I’m at the age, my truck needs to do simple tasks, but it needs to give comfort to the riders. With three grown children, I want the extra cab space and will sacrifice the bed space, as I have a 12’ utility trailer. I want to tow my 24’ Travel trailer, but I don’t tow it as much as it has been outlinedor as others responded. It goes to IA, MN, SD, MT, CO, and a few other places, but not every month or even every other month.
I appreciate the feedback shared. I don’t want a diesel, even though I know the fuel mileage and power is better. I want more motor than a 305, 4.7, etc. I like space, which is why the Crew Max is appealing. I’ve not been a Dodge fan, but that Spacecab model is huge. I do want a tranny cooler and tow package that is built-in. I’m looking at various ages 2007-2014. I don’t really want an East coast, CA, or salt laden truck.im not all that picky about color, fabric/leather, or options. It will be a daily driver, so fuel/mileage is a factor.
Again, thanks for sharing. Please continue, it’s helping when it’s constructive.
Post by: Sneaky on July 21, 2018, 07:54:53 AM
Used tundras are going to run you within a few thousand of jusy ponying up and buying a new one because of the insane resale value.
Post by: thinkingman on July 24, 2018, 02:07:48 PM
https://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/truckin-every-full-size-pickup-truck-ranked-from-worst-to-best#1 (https://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/truckin-every-full-size-pickup-truck-ranked-from-worst-to-best#1)So Car and Driver (a Michigan based company) ranked GM and Ford (also Michigan based) above everything else........ WEIRD!
Toyota Fanboys will not like this...
Not sure where US News and World Report is located but.....https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/full-size-pickup-trucks (https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/full-size-pickup-trucks)
Edmunds?https://www.edmunds.com/truck/articles/best-pickup-trucks/#full-size-trucks (https://www.edmunds.com/truck/articles/best-pickup-trucks/#full-size-trucks)
Kelly Blue Book might know a little something about trucks and the truck market...
For four years straight, the Ford F-150 has taken the pickup truck honors in our Best Buys competition. And, for four years straight, nobody else has come close to toppling it. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-latest/best-buy-awards-pickup-truck/2000011406/ (https://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-latest/best-buy-awards-pickup-truck/2000011406/)
OK, now this is just getting too easyhttp://www.jdpower.com/ratings/study/Initial-Quality-Study-%28IQS%29-by-Make/4171ENG/Non-Premium/3470 (http://www.jdpower.com/ratings/study/Initial-Quality-Study-%28IQS%29-by-Make/4171ENG/Non-Premium/3470)
I can't bully Toyota Fanboys much more today.
I'm just glad I sold my Tacoma when I did. The evidence is piling up.
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on July 24, 2018, 02:56:34 PM
As far as resale, I sold my 2002 Tacoma 4x4 TRD, which had 215,000 miles and was beat to a pulp for almost $10k. I was able to pick up my new truck for $27k after taxes from Parker Toyota in Idaho.
https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-resale-value-awards/best-resale-top-10-cars/?r=422825089852208450
Depends on where you look what info you get, according to Kelly Blue Book the FIRST THREE VEHICLES for resale are all from Toyota.
Post by: thinkingman on July 25, 2018, 05:04:36 PM
I recently just picked up a used 2014 5.7 double cab 4x4 SR5 trim Tundra with a longbed, the truck had 57k miles on it. I have a 5k lb boat that the truck doesn't even care when I'm pulling it. The truck also has tow mode and an engine chiller and is rated to tow at 10,500 lbs. I drove quite a few other trucks before I purchased it and the top runner up was the Ram 1500 with the 5.7 but I couldn't get over how choppy the acceleration was on them compared to the Tundra's. Additionally, I wanted a gen 3 Tundra over the gen 2, which made me look at only 2014 and newer.Remember, resale is based on the 'greater fool theory'.
As far as resale, I sold my 2002 Tacoma 4x4 TRD, which had 215,000 miles and was beat to a pulp for almost $10k. I was able to pick up my new truck for $27k after taxes from Parker Toyota in Idaho.
https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-resale-value-awards/best-resale-top-10-cars/?r=422825089852208450
Depends on where you look what info you get, according to Kelly Blue Book the FIRST THREE VEHICLES for resale are all from Toyota.
How would you like to be the sucker that bought a 2002 Tacoma 4x4 TRD, which had 215,000 miles and was beat to a pulp for almost $10k?
The greater fool theory states that the price of an object is determined not by its intrinsic value, but rather by irrational beliefs and expectations of market participants. A price can be justified by a rational buyer under the belief that another party is willing to pay an even higher price.
Post by: Timberstalker on July 25, 2018, 05:06:31 PM
You sure like Toyotas, don't you? :chuckle:
Post by: thinkingman on July 25, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
@thinkingmanWhen I'm selling one, sure!
You sure like Toyotas, don't you? :chuckle:
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on July 26, 2018, 12:06:31 PM
@thinkingmanWhen I'm selling one, sure!
You sure like Toyotas, don't you? :chuckle:
I know right it's harder to sell a truck that doesn't run. I'll keep driving my Toyotas, you can keep pushing your whatevers.
Post by: thinkingman on July 27, 2018, 10:46:44 AM
@thinkingmanWhen I'm selling one, sure!
You sure like Toyotas, don't you? :chuckle:
I know right it's harder to sell a truck that doesn't run. I'll keep driving my Toyotas, you can keep pushing your whatevers.
Right now I''m pushing Toyota to reimburse me for the rear suspension I had to replace on my 'incredible, amazing, can't go wrong' Tacoma.
5 years after I told them the rear springs lost arch and were garbage, they issued a recall(Do they issue recalls for amazing vehicles?)and now they don't want to reimburse me for fixing their problem.
That's what I'm pushing right now.
Thankfully, I didn't have to deal with the frame rust replacement recall, my frame didn't have a full 10cm perforation, which would have meant a total frame replacement.
I could list all the POS Toyota issues with that vehicle if you'd like.
I'd be concerned about the Tundra bed rust recall right now, if I were you.
Post by: nutntoit on July 27, 2018, 01:30:48 PM
As far as the off road package, it adds bilstien shocks, different wheels and nice AT tires. On the 2014 and up Tundras it also adds the 38 gallon gas tank. This is a must if you have the 5.7L. The LSD is an “auto LSD” so it functions using the brakes like traction control. It does work pretty good but isn’t a true LSD. You can turn traction control all the way off by hold the atrac button down for like 30 seconds. That is a nice feature to have if you’re in a situation where slipping is good.
As far as the towing package goes, you get an additional transmission cooler (although that may be standard with the 5.7 I'm not sure). The included brake controller kind of sucks. I have never successfully used mine. I would recommend getting a tekonsha p3 and the ESP mouting kit that puts it in the same location as the factory.
For packages it depends on the features you want. I think limited is the best bang for your buck. The 1794 has different leather and more chrome like the king ranch basically. The platinum comes with some different options as well. I don’t know the packages in the big 3 line up to compare them too but limited adds dual climate control, leather, blind spot monitoring and some more tech that the SR5 does not come with. Check out Tundras.com for more information there is a ton of good stuff on there.
Post by: Timberstalker on July 28, 2018, 12:02:10 PM
@thinkingmanWhen I'm selling one, sure!
You sure like Toyotas, don't you? :chuckle:
I know right it's harder to sell a truck that doesn't run. I'll keep driving my Toyotas, you can keep pushing your whatevers.
(Do they issue recalls for amazing vehicles?)
Probably the most asinine statement I’ve ever read on HW.
Post by: thinkingman on July 30, 2018, 10:25:33 AM
'Can't go wrong with a Toyota' is a close second.@thinkingmanWhen I'm selling one, sure!
You sure like Toyotas, don't you? :chuckle:
I know right it's harder to sell a truck that doesn't run. I'll keep driving my Toyotas, you can keep pushing your whatevers.
(Do they issue recalls for amazing vehicles?)
Probably the most asinine statement I’ve ever read on HW.
Post by: SniperDanWA on August 07, 2018, 10:12:46 PM
Thank you both for your responses to my request. I appreciate the insight, info, background too. I’m still looking for the right truck. I did take my F150 into the shop and did a major service. Basically, I have a new front end. If I still buy, my daughter will get this one for Montana driving. I’m not convinced that I want the Crewmax Cab now. There is plenty of room in the Double Cab and the box is longer. I was sure that having the bigger doors and more rear seat room was necessary, but now I’m second guessing that position. Add to that, I drop the price by $3-5K too.
Post by: Ryannibarger09 on August 08, 2018, 09:57:47 AM
Post by: JJB11B on August 08, 2018, 03:09:43 PM
Nutntoit and Wetwoodshunterit also is rated for just a little more MPG with the longer box and shorter cab
Thank you both for your responses to my request. I appreciate the insight, info, background too. I’m still looking for the right truck. I did take my F150 into the shop and did a major service. Basically, I have a new front end. If I still buy, my daughter will get this one for Montana driving. I’m not convinced that I want the Crewmax Cab now. There is plenty of room in the Double Cab and the box is longer. I was sure that having the bigger doors and more rear seat room was necessary, but now I’m second guessing that position. Add to that, I drop the price by $3-5K too.
Post by: SniperDanWA on August 11, 2018, 07:17:55 PM