Post by: SkookumHntr on July 27, 2018, 09:22:25 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 27, 2018, 09:24:36 AM
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Post by: skeeter 20i on July 27, 2018, 09:32:47 AM
I read the article he certainly shed some light on his true character I believe. Won't be listening to his music going forward, it's a shame he was one of my favorites.
Post by: Henrydog on July 27, 2018, 09:35:25 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on July 27, 2018, 09:50:07 AM
Maybe he can tour with the Dixie Chicks :dunno::yeah:
I read the article he certainly shed some light on his true character I believe. Won't be listening to his music going forward, it's a shame he was one of my favorites.
Post by: 2MANY on July 27, 2018, 09:58:10 AM
Not surprising.
Any guy that kids look up to and he flys the pot flags at his concerts is a putz.
Real roll model.
That being said I can relate to his song "Wrecking Ball" :)
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 27, 2018, 10:37:32 AM
Basically saying that the NRA is evil because of Las Vegas shooting aftermath.I won't chastise a guy for having an opinion.
Church says he’s not a member of the NRA and never has been. “I’m a Second Amendment guy,” he emphasizes again, “but I feel like they’ve been a bit of a roadblock. I don’t care who you are – you shouldn’t have that kind of power over elected officials. To me it’s cut-and-dried: The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA, so at this point in time, if I was an NRA member, I would think I had more of a problem than the solution. I would question myself real hard about what I wanted to be in the next three, four, five years.”
Church knows he’ll get blowback from some fans for this. “I don’t care,” he says. “Right’s right and wrong’s wrong. I don’t understand why we have to fear a group [like the NRA]. It’s asinine. Why can’t we come together and solve one part of this? Start with the bump stocks and the gun shows. Shut a couple of these down. I do think that will matter a little bit. I think it will save some lives.”
Post by: andersonjk4 on July 27, 2018, 10:42:38 AM
Copied from the Rolling Stone Article:
Two nights later, Church was back home when he got a text: active shooter in Vegas. He turned on the news and started seeing the horror.
“It’s selfish of me,” he says. “But my first thought was, ‘I hope it’s not our fans.’ We had a lot of fans there. We even promoted online travel options to make it easier for people to come. I felt like the bait: People come to see you play, then all of a sudden they die? That is not an emotion that I was prepared to deal with. It wrecked me in a lot of ways.” In the end, 58 people were killed and more than 800 were injured that night. Several members of Church’s fan club were among the victims. One fan, 29-year-old Sonny Melton, who’d come all the way from Tennessee with his wife, was buried in an Eric Church T-shirt. “It got dark for me for a while,” Church says. “I went through a period, a funk, for six months at least. I had anger. I’ve still got anger. Something broke in me that night, and it still hasn’t healed. There’s a part of me that hopes it haunts me forever.”
“It was a mother*censored*er on him,” says Church’s manager, John Peets. “Really hard. I think it just opened up an awareness of how fragile all this really is.”
Church isn’t a gun nut, but he does own about half a dozen: rifles, shotguns, pistols – no AR-15s, though. I ask if Vegas changed his feelings about guns. “A little,” he says. He takes another sip of whiskey. “I’m a Second Amendment guy,” he says. “That’s in the Constitution, it’s people’s right, and I don’t believe it’s negotiable. But nobody should have that many guns and that much ammunition and we don’t know about it. Nobody should have 21 AKs and 10,000 rounds of ammunition and we don’t know who they are. Something’s gotta be done so that a person can’t have an armory and pin down a Las Vegas SWAT team for six minutes. That’s *censored*ed up.”
Church says he supports a few common-sense reforms. Closing gun-show loopholes. Improving background checks. Banning bump stocks. “As a gun guy, the number of rounds [the shooter] fired was un-*censored*ing-believable to me,” he says. “I saw a video on YouTube from the police officer’s vest cam, and it sounded like an army was up there. I don’t think our forefathers ever thought the right to bear arms was that.
“There are some things we can’t stop,” he adds. “Like the disgruntled kid who takes his dad’s shotgun and walks into a high school. But we could have stopped the guy in Vegas.” As for why nothing’s been done? “I blame the lobbyists. And the biggest in the gun world is the NRA.”
Church says he’s not a member of the NRA and never has been. “I’m a Second Amendment guy,” he emphasizes again, “but I feel like they’ve been a bit of a roadblock. I don’t care who you are – you shouldn’t have that kind of power over elected officials. To me it’s cut-and-dried: The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA, so at this point in time, if I was an NRA member, I would think I had more of a problem than the solution. I would question myself real hard about what I wanted to be in the next three, four, five years.”
Church knows he’ll get blowback from some fans for this. “I don’t care,” he says. “Right’s right and wrong’s wrong. I don’t understand why we have to fear a group [like the NRA]. It’s asinine. Why can’t we come together and solve one part of this? Start with the bump stocks and the gun shows. Shut a couple of these down. I do think that will matter a little bit. I think it will save some lives.”
Link to the original Rolling Stone article:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-church-desperate-man-nashville-country-700750/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-church-desperate-man-nashville-country-700750/)
Post by: Curly on July 27, 2018, 10:43:11 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/07/26/eric-church-says-nra-is-to-blame-for-las-vegas-festival-mass-shooting.html
Post by: Rainier10 on July 27, 2018, 10:48:57 AM
I don't see where he is turning his back on gun owners. The article states twice that he is an adamant supporter of the 2nd amendment. And he never says he is against the NRA. To me it seems more like he is anti-lobbyist and doesn't like the way the NRA currently operates. Also, realize this printed in Rolling Stone. The fact they printed some positive support for the 2nd Amendment could be seen as a positive for gun owners. Just because someone doesn't like the way the NRA operates doesn't make that person anti-gun.:yeah:
Copied from the Rolling Stone Article:
Two nights later, Church was back home when he got a text: active shooter in Vegas. He turned on the news and started seeing the horror.
“It’s selfish of me,” he says. “But my first thought was, ‘I hope it’s not our fans.’ We had a lot of fans there. We even promoted online travel options to make it easier for people to come. I felt like the bait: People come to see you play, then all of a sudden they die? That is not an emotion that I was prepared to deal with. It wrecked me in a lot of ways.” In the end, 58 people were killed and more than 800 were injured that night. Several members of Church’s fan club were among the victims. One fan, 29-year-old Sonny Melton, who’d come all the way from Tennessee with his wife, was buried in an Eric Church T-shirt. “It got dark for me for a while,” Church says. “I went through a period, a funk, for six months at least. I had anger. I’ve still got anger. Something broke in me that night, and it still hasn’t healed. There’s a part of me that hopes it haunts me forever.”
“It was a mother*censored*er on him,” says Church’s manager, John Peets. “Really hard. I think it just opened up an awareness of how fragile all this really is.”
Church isn’t a gun nut, but he does own about half a dozen: rifles, shotguns, pistols – no AR-15s, though. I ask if Vegas changed his feelings about guns. “A little,” he says. He takes another sip of whiskey. “I’m a Second Amendment guy,” he says. “That’s in the Constitution, it’s people’s right, and I don’t believe it’s negotiable. But nobody should have that many guns and that much ammunition and we don’t know about it. Nobody should have 21 AKs and 10,000 rounds of ammunition and we don’t know who they are. Something’s gotta be done so that a person can’t have an armory and pin down a Las Vegas SWAT team for six minutes. That’s *censored*ed up.”
Church says he supports a few common-sense reforms. Closing gun-show loopholes. Improving background checks. Banning bump stocks. “As a gun guy, the number of rounds [the shooter] fired was un-*censored*ing-believable to me,” he says. “I saw a video on YouTube from the police officer’s vest cam, and it sounded like an army was up there. I don’t think our forefathers ever thought the right to bear arms was that.
“There are some things we can’t stop,” he adds. “Like the disgruntled kid who takes his dad’s shotgun and walks into a high school. But we could have stopped the guy in Vegas.” As for why nothing’s been done? “I blame the lobbyists. And the biggest in the gun world is the NRA.”
Church says he’s not a member of the NRA and never has been. “I’m a Second Amendment guy,” he emphasizes again, “but I feel like they’ve been a bit of a roadblock. I don’t care who you are – you shouldn’t have that kind of power over elected officials. To me it’s cut-and-dried: The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA, so at this point in time, if I was an NRA member, I would think I had more of a problem than the solution. I would question myself real hard about what I wanted to be in the next three, four, five years.”
Church knows he’ll get blowback from some fans for this. “I don’t care,” he says. “Right’s right and wrong’s wrong. I don’t understand why we have to fear a group [like the NRA]. It’s asinine. Why can’t we come together and solve one part of this? Start with the bump stocks and the gun shows. Shut a couple of these down. I do think that will matter a little bit. I think it will save some lives.”
I think he has his right to his opinion on what he thinks gun control should look like and if he wants to support the NRA or not. He does say that he is a second amendment guy.
There is other stuff in the full article that is troubling to me. The part about filling a solo cup with Jack and Diet Coke and then driving to the hospital drinking. What the heck? You have millions of dollars, pay someone to drive you to the hospital if you want to drink on the way.
Post by: Curly on July 27, 2018, 10:57:46 AM
I'm just glad I never really liked the guy to begin with. :twocents:
Post by: Rainier10 on July 27, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Post by: Curly on July 27, 2018, 11:21:35 AM
If he really was a 2A supporter, it seems he wouldn't be bad-mouthing the NRA like that. If he really believes what the government tells us about Paddock being a crazy lone gunman, then he needs to realize that Paddock alone is responsible for the shooting.
A lot of young people probably look up to the guy and they maybe read RS and will probably like what EC is saying.........he likes Bernie Sanders and hates the NRA. :o
Post by: Igor on July 27, 2018, 11:25:32 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 27, 2018, 11:31:07 AM
I don't believe that Paddock was the shooter, but even if he was I don't see how Eric Church can conclude that the NRA is to blame.
If he really was a 2A supporter, it seems he wouldn't be bad-mouthing the NRA like that. If he really believes what the government tells us about Paddock being a crazy lone gunman, then he needs to realize that Paddock alone is responsible for the shooting.
A lot of young people probably look up to the guy and they maybe read RS and will probably like what EC is saying.........he likes Bernie Sanders and hates the NRA. :o
Is that what you really got from reading the Rolling Stone article? Or is that what you concluded from the Fox News article about an article?
Post by: Special T on July 27, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
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Post by: Curly on July 27, 2018, 11:45:26 AM
I don't believe that Paddock was the shooter, but even if he was I don't see how Eric Church can conclude that the NRA is to blame.
If he really was a 2A supporter, it seems he wouldn't be bad-mouthing the NRA like that. If he really believes what the government tells us about Paddock being a crazy lone gunman, then he needs to realize that Paddock alone is responsible for the shooting.
A lot of young people probably look up to the guy and they maybe read RS and will probably like what EC is saying.........he likes Bernie Sanders and hates the NRA. :o
Is that what you really got from reading the Rolling Stone article? Or is that what you concluded from the Fox News article about an article?
Both actually. The Fox News article headline says Eric Church blames the NRA and it links the RS article in the text of the article. Then you read the Rolling Stone article and see the quote:
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“There are some things we can’t stop,” he adds. “Like the disgruntled kid who takes his dad’s shotgun and walks into a high school. But we could have stopped the guy in Vegas.” As for why nothing’s been done? “I blame the lobbyists. And the biggest in the gun world is the NRA.”
Post by: Angry Perch on July 27, 2018, 11:48:32 AM
"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
Post by: Special T on July 27, 2018, 11:53:47 AM
If you used gun show loop hole to describe private sales your an idiot."The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
If you believe the kind of program we have here in this state will accomplish detering crime... or keeping guns out of criminals hands then keep drinking a little drink and smoking a little smoke.
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Post by: Rainier10 on July 27, 2018, 12:13:40 PM
:chuckle: I see what you did there. ;)If you used gun show loop hole to describe private sales your an idiot."The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
If you believe the kind of program we have here in this state will accomplish detering crime... or keeping guns out of criminals hands then keep drinking a little drink and smoking a little smoke.
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Post by: Mudman on July 27, 2018, 12:21:44 PM
Post by: Curly on July 27, 2018, 12:24:25 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on July 27, 2018, 12:26:17 PM
If you used gun show loop hole to describe private sales your an idiot."The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
If you believe the kind of program we have here in this state will accomplish detering crime... or keeping guns out of criminals hands then keep drinking a little drink and smoking a little smoke.
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I'm in no way expressing my views on the topic. It's just my understanding that the "Gun Show Loophole" is just political term to describe the ability to buy guns from private parties, including at gun shows, without a background check. Is that not correct?
Post by: Igor on July 27, 2018, 12:31:11 PM
"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
No, there is NOT. I can remember when I was a kid my Dad collected guns. He bought them from neighbors, acquaintances, etc. He even belonged to a gun club, and they bought, sold, and traded with each other. Those were private sales between individuals......and gun shows had nothing to do with it......nada, zilch, zero. Background checks did not exist in any state. Now, anti-gun zealots have decided to blame all of the murders and mayhem on everything but the individuals committing these crimes. They blame the NRA and gun shows. Voila......what used to be a private sale is now a "gun-show loophole" sale. Such sales were, and always will be private sales between individuals, no matter what the anti-gun zealots decide to call them. Sounds like you have swallowed their anti-gun terminology hook-line-and-sinker.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 27, 2018, 12:34:43 PM
We all have opinions. He still is a 2nd amend supporter right? Good. I don't agree but I can respect his views from his own experiences in life. I am not a big fan though. He does reflect the larger modern views and we must recognize that for our future actions. :twocents:I think he supports some other 2nd amendment. He doesn't think someone should be allowed to have lots of AKs or lots of ammo. Sounds like he doesn't even like ownership of ARs. Thinks private sales should be outlawed.
The hand that feeds him and most country performers tends to not be the group supporting those kinds of restrictions...kind of reminds me of a guy that kneels at football games and can't figure out why he isn't on a team anymore.
Post by: Mudman on July 27, 2018, 12:35:58 PM
But is he really a 2A supporter? He says he is, but the other stuff he says makes one wonder if he really is a 2A supporter? I guess being a supporter these days is NOT being anti-2A........Exactly. If we eliminated all people who had a more conservative/moderate view of 2nd amend views then how many would be left? I suspect if people like minded to Church were removed support would take a significant downturn. Inclusive not exclusive. Tolerant. Must be or we all lose. Is he just a talking head? Dunno, maybe, but the point is still relevant. We need any/all support possible to succeed. Win the war not just 1 battle!
Post by: Rainier10 on July 27, 2018, 12:37:45 PM
In all fairness he said that if someone has that many AK's and that much ammunition somebody should know about it. That can mean a lot of things.We all have opinions. He still is a 2nd amend supporter right? Good. I don't agree but I can respect his views from his own experiences in life. I am not a big fan though. He does reflect the larger modern views and we must recognize that for our future actions. :twocents:I think he supports some other 2nd amendment. He doesn't think someone should be allowed to have lots of AKs or lots of ammo. Sounds like he doesn't even like ownership of ARs. Thinks private sales should be outlawed.
The hand that feeds him and most country performers tends to not be the group supporting those kinds of restrictions...kind of reminds me of a guy that kneels at football games and can't figure out why he isn't on a team anymore.
Post by: Angry Perch on July 27, 2018, 12:45:39 PM
"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
No, there is NOT. I can remember when I was a kid my Dad collected guns. He bought them from neighbors, acquaintances, etc. He even belonged to a gun club, and they bought, sold, and traded with each other. Those were private sales between individuals......and gun shows had nothing to do with it......nada, zilch, zero. Background checks did not exist in any state. Now, anti-gun zealots have decided to blame all of the murders and mayhem on everything but the individuals committing these crimes. They blame the NRA and gun shows. Voila......what used to be a private sale is now a "gun-show loophole" sale. Such sales were, and always will be private sales between individuals, no matter what the anti-gun zealots decide to call them. Sounds like you have swallowed their anti-gun terminology hook-line-and-sinker.
Dude! I've swallowed nothing, although a cold beer sounds pretty good!
You're wasting your hate on the wrong guy!
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 27, 2018, 12:59:37 PM
Exactly. He blames the NRA for "nothing getting done", not for the Las Vegas shooting.I don't believe that Paddock was the shooter, but even if he was I don't see how Eric Church can conclude that the NRA is to blame.
If he really was a 2A supporter, it seems he wouldn't be bad-mouthing the NRA like that. If he really believes what the government tells us about Paddock being a crazy lone gunman, then he needs to realize that Paddock alone is responsible for the shooting.
A lot of young people probably look up to the guy and they maybe read RS and will probably like what EC is saying.........he likes Bernie Sanders and hates the NRA. :o
Is that what you really got from reading the Rolling Stone article? Or is that what you concluded from the Fox News article about an article?
Both actually. The Fox News article headline says Eric Church blames the NRA and it links the RS article in the text of the article. Then you read the Rolling Stone article and see the quote:Quote“There are some things we can’t stop,” he adds. “Like the disgruntled kid who takes his dad’s shotgun and walks into a high school. But we could have stopped the guy in Vegas.” As for why nothing’s been done? “I blame the lobbyists. And the biggest in the gun world is the NRA.”
It is a creative title by the Fox News writer.
Post by: 2MANY on July 27, 2018, 02:11:06 PM
Sorry can't get there.
Post by: Igor on July 27, 2018, 02:15:10 PM
"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
No, there is NOT. I can remember when I was a kid my Dad collected guns. He bought them from neighbors, acquaintances, etc. He even belonged to a gun club, and they bought, sold, and traded with each other. Those were private sales between individuals......and gun shows had nothing to do with it......nada, zilch, zero. Background checks did not exist in any state. Now, anti-gun zealots have decided to blame all of the murders and mayhem on everything but the individuals committing these crimes. They blame the NRA and gun shows. Voila......what used to be a private sale is now a "gun-show loophole" sale. Such sales were, and always will be private sales between individuals, no matter what the anti-gun zealots decide to call them. Sounds like you have swallowed their anti-gun terminology hook-line-and-sinker.
Dude! I've swallowed nothing, although a cold beer sounds pretty good!
You're wasting your hate on the wrong guy!
It has nothing to do with hate. You used one of the favorite slogans of the anti-gun crowd, and I was merely pointing out why that slogan is mis-leading. The people who are so rabidly pro-gun control are very creative, if not downright dishonest, in their catch-phrases and sloganeering, IMO. Sorry if I offended you.
Post by: Curly on July 27, 2018, 02:18:14 PM
I don't know. It does sound like he is blaming the NRA for Paddock getting bump stocks and having all the guns and ammo.Exactly. He blames the NRA for "nothing getting done", not for the Las Vegas shooting.I don't believe that Paddock was the shooter, but even if he was I don't see how Eric Church can conclude that the NRA is to blame.
If he really was a 2A supporter, it seems he wouldn't be bad-mouthing the NRA like that. If he really believes what the government tells us about Paddock being a crazy lone gunman, then he needs to realize that Paddock alone is responsible for the shooting.
A lot of young people probably look up to the guy and they maybe read RS and will probably like what EC is saying.........he likes Bernie Sanders and hates the NRA. :o
Is that what you really got from reading the Rolling Stone article? Or is that what you concluded from the Fox News article about an article?
Both actually. The Fox News article headline says Eric Church blames the NRA and it links the RS article in the text of the article. Then you read the Rolling Stone article and see the quote:Quote“There are some things we can’t stop,” he adds. “Like the disgruntled kid who takes his dad’s shotgun and walks into a high school. But we could have stopped the guy in Vegas.” As for why nothing’s been done? “I blame the lobbyists. And the biggest in the gun world is the NRA.”
It is a creative title by the Fox News writer.
I think Eric needs to reevaluate how much of 2A supporter he thinks he is.
Post by: Angry Perch on July 27, 2018, 02:38:28 PM
"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
No, there is NOT. I can remember when I was a kid my Dad collected guns. He bought them from neighbors, acquaintances, etc. He even belonged to a gun club, and they bought, sold, and traded with each other. Those were private sales between individuals......and gun shows had nothing to do with it......nada, zilch, zero. Background checks did not exist in any state. Now, anti-gun zealots have decided to blame all of the murders and mayhem on everything but the individuals committing these crimes. They blame the NRA and gun shows. Voila......what used to be a private sale is now a "gun-show loophole" sale. Such sales were, and always will be private sales between individuals, no matter what the anti-gun zealots decide to call them. Sounds like you have swallowed their anti-gun terminology hook-line-and-sinker.
Dude! I've swallowed nothing, although a cold beer sounds pretty good!
You're wasting your hate on the wrong guy!
It has nothing to do with hate. You used one of the favorite slogans of the anti-gun crowd, and I was merely pointing out why that slogan is mis-leading. The people who are so rabidly pro-gun control are very creative, if not downright dishonest, in their catch-phrases and sloganeering, IMO. Sorry if I offended you.
No offense taken. We all get fired up about the things we care most about.
Post by: Igor on July 27, 2018, 02:54:35 PM
"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
No, there is NOT. I can remember when I was a kid my Dad collected guns. He bought them from neighbors, acquaintances, etc. He even belonged to a gun club, and they bought, sold, and traded with each other. Those were private sales between individuals......and gun shows had nothing to do with it......nada, zilch, zero. Background checks did not exist in any state. Now, anti-gun zealots have decided to blame all of the murders and mayhem on everything but the individuals committing these crimes. They blame the NRA and gun shows. Voila......what used to be a private sale is now a "gun-show loophole" sale. Such sales were, and always will be private sales between individuals, no matter what the anti-gun zealots decide to call them. Sounds like you have swallowed their anti-gun terminology hook-line-and-sinker.
Dude! I've swallowed nothing, although a cold beer sounds pretty good!
You're wasting your hate on the wrong guy!
It has nothing to do with hate. You used one of the favorite slogans of the anti-gun crowd, and I was merely pointing out why that slogan is mis-leading. The people who are so rabidly pro-gun control are very creative, if not downright dishonest, in their catch-phrases and sloganeering, IMO. Sorry if I offended you.
No offense taken. We all get fired up about the things we care most about.
Thanks.......if Sammamish wasn't so far away I'd buy you that cold beer.
Post by: Rainier10 on July 27, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-church-desperate-man-nashville-country-700750/
Post by: Special T on July 27, 2018, 02:57:32 PM
I've never understood it that way. I've always seen people paint internet gun sales and gunshow loop holes together. Perhaps the definition has changed as is often the case so thAt folks can slide stuff by on you.If you used gun show loop hole to describe private sales your an idiot."The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA". There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole". That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is. He is an idiot, to put it politely.
There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.
If you believe the kind of program we have here in this state will accomplish detering crime... or keeping guns out of criminals hands then keep drinking a little drink and smoking a little smoke.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
I'm in no way expressing my views on the topic. It's just my understanding that the "Gun Show Loophole" is just political term to describe the ability to buy guns from private parties, including at gun shows, without a background check. Is that not correct?
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Post by: Dhoey07 on July 27, 2018, 03:30:29 PM
Post by: skeeter 20i on July 27, 2018, 03:58:56 PM
Here is a link to the actual Rolling Stone piece. The part about the Vegas shooting the NRA is at the very end. Reading the whole article it doesn't have quite the same spin as the Yahoo and Fox stories do.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-church-desperate-man-nashville-country-700750/
Sorry have to disagree with you on this. Just one example where he thinks the rights of the citizens should be infringed upon. In one breath he claims to be a 2A and in the next breath he state "nobody should have that many guns and that much ammunition" To say it's not negotiable and then spout how it should be regulated by numbers.....who's numbers?.....who decides? Talking out of both sides of his mouth IMHO
“I’m a Second Amendment guy,” he says. “That’s in the Constitution, it’s people’s right, and I don’t believe it’s negotiable. But nobody should have that many guns and that much ammunition and we don’t know about it. Nobody should have 21 AKs and 10,000 rounds of ammunition and we don’t know who they are. Something’s gotta be done so that a person can’t have an armory and pin down a Las Vegas SWAT team for six minutes. That’s *censored*ed up.”
Post by: Rainier10 on July 27, 2018, 09:39:32 PM
It amazes me that in this day and age of home grown terrorism that this guy didn’t pop up on somebodies watchlist. It’s not like we don’t have a little thing called homeland security.
Post by: TRD1911 on July 28, 2018, 05:48:11 AM
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Post by: Dhoey07 on July 28, 2018, 07:29:14 AM
Anyone who says that there should be a limit on the number and type of firearms that someone owns knows absolutely nothing about why the 2nd amendment exists. Terrorism is not an excuse to violate the rights of the citizen.Should felons have guns?
Post by: Special T on July 28, 2018, 08:07:58 AM
The problem with lists is they dont go away. Did you know medical weed is legal in Hawaii? Well guess what they cross referenced those 2 lists and confiscated guns.
My Ah Ha moment was at the end of the Bush Jr presidency. When Bush was president I was concerned about the patriot act but I felt safe that he would use that power wisely to keep us safe... well my stomach fell when Obama was elected. That is when I realized Ron & Rand Paul weren't as crazy as I thought. Why they were/are hypervigilant.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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Post by: Rainier10 on July 28, 2018, 08:59:42 AM
I personally think the first statement is more extreme saying you can’t even have it. The second is not as extreme. The second statement is what he actually said, the first is what yahoo wants you to here. Do I agree with either? No. Do I think if you’re quoting someone you should not just pick the fragments that make the narrative you want portrayed? No.
A guy I work with has a real problem with women wearing sweatpants to the grocery store. I have no idea why but he has said on more than one occasion “ I hate women that wear sweats to the grocery store.” Does he really mean “ I hate women” ? It does if you stop reading or listening part ways through his statement.
Again I don’t agree with the statement Eric Church actually made or the more extreme statement yahoo is editing down and saying was his statement in the article. I do think if we are going to have the discussion we should at least be talking about what he actually said.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 28, 2018, 09:18:10 AM
If they've served their time and are no longer a threat when released, I think they should have all rights restored. Part of the problem is so many that get released probably shouldn't have been. The crazy people roaming the streets are the problem. The normal citizens don't need more laws piled on them to accommodate having more paranoid schizophrenic people on experimental drugs.Anyone who says that there should be a limit on the number and type of firearms that someone owns knows absolutely nothing about why the 2nd amendment exists. Terrorism is not an excuse to violate the rights of the citizen.Should felons have guns?
Post by: Timberstalker on July 28, 2018, 10:09:02 AM
All I am saying is the is a difference between “nobody should have that many AR’s and ammo” and “nobody should have that many AR’ and ammo and we not know about it.”
I personally think the first statement is more extreme saying you can’t even have it. The second is not as extreme. The second statement is what he actually said, the first is what yahoo wants you to here. Do I agree with either? No. Do I think if you’re quoting someone you should not just pick the fragments that make the narrative you want portrayed? No.
A guy I work with has a real problem with women wearing sweatpants to the grocery store. I have no idea why but he has said on more than one occasion “ I hate women that wear sweats to the grocery store.” Does he really mean “ I hate women” ? It does if you stop reading or listening part ways through his statement.
Again I don’t agree with the statement Eric Church actually made or the more extreme statement yahoo is editing down and saying was his statement in the article. I do think if we are going to have the discussion we should at least be talking about what he actually said.
What about yoga pants? He doesn’t hate those women does he?
Post by: Special T on July 28, 2018, 11:14:37 AM
About 5% of women wearing yoga pants should be... and they bring a smile to everymans face... my mind has also been fixed with images of women whom should not be wearing them. The size XL and yoga pants shouldn't go together.... all of this applies to a lesser degree to sweats... ever seen a JUICY sweat pant on some one whom it doesn't belong?All I am saying is the is a difference between “nobody should have that many AR’s and ammo” and “nobody should have that many AR’ and ammo and we not know about it.”
I personally think the first statement is more extreme saying you can’t even have it. The second is not as extreme. The second statement is what he actually said, the first is what yahoo wants you to here. Do I agree with either? No. Do I think if you’re quoting someone you should not just pick the fragments that make the narrative you want portrayed? No.
A guy I work with has a real problem with women wearing sweatpants to the grocery store. I have no idea why but he has said on more than one occasion “ I hate women that wear sweats to the grocery store.” Does he really mean “ I hate women” ? It does if you stop reading or listening part ways through his statement.
Again I don’t agree with the statement Eric Church actually made or the more extreme statement yahoo is editing down and saying was his statement in the article. I do think if we are going to have the discussion we should at least be talking about what he actually said.
What about yoga pants? He doesn’t hate those women does he?
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Post by: Rainier10 on July 28, 2018, 11:27:57 AM
Sometimes it's like herding cats with you guys.
Thread derailed to "who likes cat's in yoga pants?" in 3,2,1.....
Post by: Timberstalker on July 28, 2018, 11:30:12 AM
:chuckle:
Sometimes it's like herding cats with you guys.
Thread derailed to "who likes cat's in yoga pants?" in 3,2,1.....
Technically, you started the thread jack. :chuckle:
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 28, 2018, 11:30:26 AM
I agree,That is why felons can get their rights restored in certain circumstances.If they've served their time and are no longer a threat when released, I think they should have all rights restored. Part of the problem is so many that get released probably shouldn't have been. The crazy people roaming the streets are the problem. The normal citizens don't need more laws piled on them to accommodate having more paranoid schizophrenic people on experimental drugs.Anyone who says that there should be a limit on the number and type of firearms that someone owns knows absolutely nothing about why the 2nd amendment exists. Terrorism is not an excuse to violate the rights of the citizen.Should felons have guns?
So you agree that some people should have a limit on how many and what type of firearm they may own?
Post by: Buzz2401 on July 28, 2018, 02:49:05 PM
Post by: Special T on July 28, 2018, 02:55:35 PM
Own two safes packed to the gills with firearms ranging from AR's to muzzleloaders I quit the NRA a long time ago. I think they are super crooked and I really don't like being told who I have to vote for. I'm for reasonable gun control laws but have yet to ever see one come up for vote.Which ones do you think are "reasonable"
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Post by: Igor on July 28, 2018, 08:04:19 PM
Own two safes packed to the gills with firearms ranging from AR's to muzzleloaders I quit the NRA a long time ago. I think they are super crooked and I really don't like being told who I have to vote for. I'm for reasonable gun control laws but have yet to ever see one come up for vote.
In my opinion, you can thank the NRA that you can own your guns, especially those evil ARs. The NRA has fought many battles over the years, all over this country, in defense of your rights.
I suggest you find a copy of I1639 and read it. The NRA has already joined the battle to try to defeat it.
You love those evil semi-autos in your safe? If you intend on buying another AR (or any other semi-automatic rifle) here is what I1639 will require:
(2) In addition to the other requirements of this chapter, no dealer may deliver a semiautomatic assault rifle to the purchaser thereof until:
(a) The purchaser provides proof that he or she has completed a recognized firearm safety training program within the last five years that, at a minimum, includes instruction on:
(i) Basic firearms safety rules;
(ii) Firearms and children, including secure gun storage and talking to children about gun safety;
(iii) Firearms and suicide prevention;
(iv) Secure gun storage to prevent unauthorized access and use;
(v) Safe handling of firearms; and
(vi) State and federal firearms laws, including prohibited firearms transfers.
The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or a firearms training school with instructors certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training. The proof of training shall be in the form of a certification that states under the penalty of perjury the training included the minimum requirements
Oh yeah, and now every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle under I1639. Think about that one.........
Post by: Special T on July 28, 2018, 10:57:24 PM
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Post by: Stein on July 30, 2018, 04:43:58 PM
He didn’t mention one word political, just the way I like concerts.