Eric Church

[Dhoey07]

I don't believe that Paddock was the shooter, but even if he was I don't see how Eric Church can conclude that the NRA is to blame. 

If he really was a 2A supporter, it seems he wouldn't be bad-mouthing the NRA like that.  If he really believes what the government tells us about Paddock being a crazy lone gunman, then he needs to realize that Paddock alone is responsible for the shooting.

A lot of young people probably look up to the guy and they maybe read RS and will probably like what EC is saying.........he likes Bernie Sanders and hates the NRA. 

Is that what you really got from reading the Rolling Stone article?  Or is that what you concluded from the Fox News article about an article?

Both actually.  The Fox News article headline says Eric Church blames the NRA and it links the RS article in the text of the article.  Then you read the Rolling Stone article and see the quote:

“There are some things we can’t stop,” he adds. “Like the disgruntled kid who takes his dad’s shotgun and walks into a high school. But we could have stopped the guy in Vegas.” As for why nothing’s been done? “I blame the lobbyists. And the biggest in the gun world is the NRA.”

Exactly.  He blames the NRA for "nothing getting done", not for the Las Vegas shooting.

  It is a creative title by the Fox News writer. 

[2MANY]

Blame the gun not the individual?

Sorry can't get there.

[Igor]

"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA".  There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole".  That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is.  He is an idiot, to put it politely.

There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.

No, there is NOT.  I can remember when I was a kid my Dad collected guns.  He bought them from neighbors, acquaintances, etc.  He even belonged to a gun club, and they bought, sold, and traded with each other.  Those were private sales between individuals......and gun shows had nothing to do with it......nada, zilch, zero.  Background checks did not exist in any state.  Now, anti-gun zealots have decided to blame all of the murders and mayhem on everything but the individuals committing these crimes.  They blame the NRA and gun shows.  Voila......what used to be a private sale is now a "gun-show loophole" sale.  Such sales were, and always will be private sales between individuals, no matter what the anti-gun zealots decide to call them.  Sounds like you have swallowed their anti-gun terminology hook-line-and-sinker.

Dude! I've swallowed nothing, although a cold beer sounds pretty good!
You're wasting your hate on the wrong guy!

It has nothing to do with hate.  You used one of the favorite slogans of the anti-gun crowd, and I was merely pointing out why that slogan is mis-leading.  The people who are so rabidly pro-gun control are very creative, if not downright dishonest, in their catch-phrases and sloganeering, IMO.  Sorry if I offended you.

[Curly]

I don't believe that Paddock was the shooter, but even if he was I don't see how Eric Church can conclude that the NRA is to blame. 

If he really was a 2A supporter, it seems he wouldn't be bad-mouthing the NRA like that.  If he really believes what the government tells us about Paddock being a crazy lone gunman, then he needs to realize that Paddock alone is responsible for the shooting.

A lot of young people probably look up to the guy and they maybe read RS and will probably like what EC is saying.........he likes Bernie Sanders and hates the NRA. 

Is that what you really got from reading the Rolling Stone article?  Or is that what you concluded from the Fox News article about an article?

Both actually.  The Fox News article headline says Eric Church blames the NRA and it links the RS article in the text of the article.  Then you read the Rolling Stone article and see the quote:

“There are some things we can’t stop,” he adds. “Like the disgruntled kid who takes his dad’s shotgun and walks into a high school. But we could have stopped the guy in Vegas.” As for why nothing’s been done? “I blame the lobbyists. And the biggest in the gun world is the NRA.”

Exactly.  He blames the NRA for "nothing getting done", not for the Las Vegas shooting.

  It is a creative title by the Fox News writer.

I don't know. It does sound like he is blaming the NRA for Paddock getting bump stocks and having all the guns and ammo.
I think Eric needs to reevaluate how much of  2A supporter he thinks he is.

[Angry Perch]

"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA".  There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole".  That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is.  He is an idiot, to put it politely.

There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.

No, there is NOT.  I can remember when I was a kid my Dad collected guns.  He bought them from neighbors, acquaintances, etc.  He even belonged to a gun club, and they bought, sold, and traded with each other.  Those were private sales between individuals......and gun shows had nothing to do with it......nada, zilch, zero.  Background checks did not exist in any state.  Now, anti-gun zealots have decided to blame all of the murders and mayhem on everything but the individuals committing these crimes.  They blame the NRA and gun shows.  Voila......what used to be a private sale is now a "gun-show loophole" sale.  Such sales were, and always will be private sales between individuals, no matter what the anti-gun zealots decide to call them.  Sounds like you have swallowed their anti-gun terminology hook-line-and-sinker.

Dude! I've swallowed nothing, although a cold beer sounds pretty good!
You're wasting your hate on the wrong guy!

It has nothing to do with hate.  You used one of the favorite slogans of the anti-gun crowd, and I was merely pointing out why that slogan is mis-leading.  The people who are so rabidly pro-gun control are very creative, if not downright dishonest, in their catch-phrases and sloganeering, IMO.  Sorry if I offended you.

No offense taken. We all get fired up about the things we care most about. 

[Igor]

"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA".  There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole".  That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is.  He is an idiot, to put it politely.

There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.

No, there is NOT.  I can remember when I was a kid my Dad collected guns.  He bought them from neighbors, acquaintances, etc.  He even belonged to a gun club, and they bought, sold, and traded with each other.  Those were private sales between individuals......and gun shows had nothing to do with it......nada, zilch, zero.  Background checks did not exist in any state.  Now, anti-gun zealots have decided to blame all of the murders and mayhem on everything but the individuals committing these crimes.  They blame the NRA and gun shows.  Voila......what used to be a private sale is now a "gun-show loophole" sale.  Such sales were, and always will be private sales between individuals, no matter what the anti-gun zealots decide to call them.  Sounds like you have swallowed their anti-gun terminology hook-line-and-sinker.

Dude! I've swallowed nothing, although a cold beer sounds pretty good!
You're wasting your hate on the wrong guy!

It has nothing to do with hate.  You used one of the favorite slogans of the anti-gun crowd, and I was merely pointing out why that slogan is mis-leading.  The people who are so rabidly pro-gun control are very creative, if not downright dishonest, in their catch-phrases and sloganeering, IMO.  Sorry if I offended you.

No offense taken. We all get fired up about the things we care most about.

Thanks.......if Sammamish wasn't so far away I'd buy you that cold beer.

[Rainier10]

Here is a link to the actual Rolling Stone piece.  The part about the Vegas shooting the NRA is at the very end.  Reading the whole article it doesn't have quite the same spin as the Yahoo and Fox stories do.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-church-desperate-man-nashville-country-700750/

[Special T]

"The gun-show [loophole] would not exist if it weren’t for the NRA".  There is no such thing as a "gun-show loophole".  That shows me right there how much of a Second Amendment supporter he is.  He is an idiot, to put it politely.

There isn't? Less than 25% of states require a background check for private sales.

If you used gun show loop hole to describe private sales your an idiot.

If you believe the kind of program we have here in this state will accomplish detering crime...  or keeping guns out of criminals hands then keep drinking a little drink and smoking a little smoke.

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I'm in no way expressing my views on the topic. It's just my understanding that the "Gun Show Loophole" is just political term to describe the ability to buy guns from private parties, including at gun shows, without a background check. Is that not correct?

I've never understood it that way. I've always seen people paint internet gun sales and gunshow loop holes together. Perhaps the definition has changed as is often the case so thAt folks can slide stuff by on you.

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[Dhoey07]

If a Donald trump presidency has taught me anything, it is to never trust a regurgitated article. Just go the original and form your own opinion. Media can be dangerously sneaky.

[skeeter 20i]

Here is a link to the actual Rolling Stone piece.  The part about the Vegas shooting the NRA is at the very end.  Reading the whole article it doesn't have quite the same spin as the Yahoo and Fox stories do.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/eric-church-desperate-man-nashville-country-700750/

Sorry have to disagree with you on this.  Just one example where he thinks the rights of the citizens should be infringed upon.  In one breath he claims to be a 2A and in the next breath he state "nobody should have that many guns and that much ammunition"   To say it's not negotiable and then spout how it should be regulated by numbers.....who's numbers?.....who decides?  Talking out of both sides of his mouth IMHO

 “I’m a Second Amendment guy,” he says. “That’s in the Constitution, it’s people’s right, and I don’t believe it’s negotiable. But nobody should have that many guns and that much ammunition and we don’t know about it. Nobody should have 21 AKs and 10,000 rounds of ammunition and we don’t know who they are. Something’s gotta be done so that a person can’t have an armory and pin down a Las Vegas SWAT team for six minutes. That’s *censored*ed up.”

[Rainier10]

He didn’t say he shouldn’t be allowed to have them period, he just thinks somebody should have known this guy was building quite a stockpile. There’s a simple answer why they didn’t know, because if there’s a list then the government could come after anyone with a stockpile.

It amazes me that in this day and age of home grown terrorism that this guy didn’t pop up on somebodies watchlist. It’s not like we don’t have a little thing called homeland security.

[TRD1911]

Anyone who says that there should be a limit on the number and type of firearms that someone owns knows absolutely nothing about why the 2nd amendment exists. Terrorism is not an excuse to violate the rights of the citizen.

[jasnt]

[Dhoey07]

Anyone who says that there should be a limit on the number and type of firearms that someone owns knows absolutely nothing about why the 2nd amendment exists. Terrorism is not an excuse to violate the rights of the citizen.

Should felons have guns?

[Special T]

So how many of you have stocked up on ammo lately with the great prices? Bimart had 556 green top on sale for 28cents a round. They also have 17hmr cci on a wicked sale $8.99. So you want to get flagged because you purchase a bunch for you sage rat shoot you do every(other) year?

The problem with lists is they dont go away. Did you know medical weed is legal in Hawaii?  Well guess what they cross referenced those 2 lists and confiscated guns.

My Ah Ha moment was at the end of the Bush Jr presidency.  When Bush was president I was concerned about the patriot act but I felt safe that he would use that power wisely to keep us safe... well my stomach fell when Obama was elected. That is when I realized Ron & Rand Paul weren't as crazy as I thought. Why they were/are hypervigilant.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.


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