Post by: bullchaser on August 01, 2018, 02:53:28 PM
“ Glock 10mm is the best bear gun made. If I was going to Alaska tomorrow, and needed a firearm to protect myself, I would rather have a Glock 10mm than a 12 gage with slugs and buckshot”
I love opinion that’s never been tempered with reality or experience !
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 01, 2018, 02:55:32 PM
Post by: bullchaser on August 01, 2018, 02:58:26 PM
Post by: h20hunter on August 01, 2018, 02:59:08 PM
Pretty easy, dont do it.
Post by: bullchaser on August 01, 2018, 03:03:18 PM
Thank you for reminding me why I don’t post on the site anymore !
Post by: h20hunter on August 01, 2018, 03:04:36 PM
Post by: Jellymon on August 01, 2018, 03:04:52 PM
Post by: JJB11B on August 01, 2018, 03:07:37 PM
Did you ask him if the front sight is easily removable so that when a grizzly shoves it up his backside it won’t hurt as much? :chuckle:Isn't that the reason beretta shaped the PX4 pistol that way?
Post by: Wazukie on August 01, 2018, 04:09:53 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 01, 2018, 04:15:13 PM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 01, 2018, 04:48:15 PM
Post by: lucky7 on August 07, 2018, 03:23:52 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 07, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 07, 2018, 04:04:33 PM
After selling guns for 6 years I dont ask anything anymore. Everyone's a critic and there's way too much ego. Just smile and nod.
Some unfortunate truth to this.
Post by: Cougartail on August 07, 2018, 04:41:57 PM
Ok new record stupid comment from a BELLEVUE gun store clerk.
“ Glock 10mm is the best bear gun made. If I was going to Alaska tomorrow, and needed a firearm to protect myself, I would rather have a Glock 10mm than a 12 gage with slugs and buckshot”
I love opinion that’s never been tempered with reality or experience !
* Best gun for bears, no. With hard cast bullets it will do. Remember the bear guide who killed one with a 9mm and 147g hardcasts? His daughter carries a 357 with 180g hardcasts for protection.
*I definitely would rather have a 10mm with hardcasts than buckshot. Only an idiot thinks buckshot is adequate for large game.
*Your animal brain kicks in when facing a 1000lb bear and you won't lie to yourself. Most peoples info is just regugetated drivel they heard somewhere. Actual testing, killing and encounters are realitivly rare and is lost amongst "counter" experts mountains of bull excrement.
Post by: ian_padron on August 09, 2018, 04:14:57 PM
I don't ask people behind the counters for advise, their job is to check that it's unloaded then hand it to me, and put it away when I'm done or start the paper.Truer words have never been spoken my friend.
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Post by: Cylvertip on August 18, 2018, 03:51:22 PM
I bought a Glock 40 this spring from a fellow member for my brown bear country sidearm. The Underwood ammo will be on the way shortly.
Post by: KFhunter on August 18, 2018, 05:31:38 PM
I'd like to see the extreme penetrator in a bear shoulder and see how it does.
Post by: Cylvertip on August 19, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzxL9r_1IF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzxL9r_1IF0)
Post by: Bofire on August 19, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Carl
Post by: KFhunter on August 19, 2018, 01:32:04 PM
I misspoke in my earlier post, he did not kill a charging bear with the 44. He got one shot off and scared it off. He explains it in the video a bit. There are lots of other videos on the xtreme penetration out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzxL9r_1IF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzxL9r_1IF0)
That bear skull is bleached and brittle, not really a fair comparison to a skull surrounded by fat, muscle and fur and hydrated bone.
Having said that grizz skulls bouncing off bullets like Captain America's shield is a bit of a wife's tale too :chuckle: Truth is close to the bear holding it's head high in an aggressive charge the skull top is pretty horizontal rather than vertical like he shot it.
Post by: Cylvertip on August 23, 2018, 07:06:33 PM
200 rounds of the xtreme penetrater arriving in a couple days :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 23, 2018, 07:27:22 PM
Did you ask to see if they are a Forum member? :tup:
Good one and I hope you asked if they have stolen any game cameras for members lately.......... :tup:
Post by: MHWASH on August 24, 2018, 06:58:18 AM
I've owned and shot lots of 44, 41, 357 and 10mm. My take away is the 40+ caliber revolvers are heavy cumbersome, and in a real world bear charge situation I think you'll be lucky to get off follow up shots, plus if your charged how likely is that first shot going to be effective.
Same thing can be said for the 10mm. I've had the G20 and the G29, those are both handfuls when trying to shoot rapid fire with stout loads. Although I haven't shot one, I'm sure the G40 would be better in the recoil department, but I feel the 6" barrel is a great detractor for a self defense weapon.
According to Buffalo Bores website the .357 w/180 hardcasts is equal to the 10mm. I may just carry my 357 w/ 4" barrel this fall while in Grizzly, but haven't decided yet. I need to shoot it and the 9mm again before I decide.
That's my 2 cents worth, so take it for what it's worth.
Post by: C-Money on August 24, 2018, 08:17:08 AM
Post by: WaltAlpine on August 28, 2018, 07:47:44 PM
I hope to never find out how good it works.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 17, 2018, 05:32:13 PM
Did you ask to see if they are a Forum member? :tup:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Tiger1358 on September 17, 2018, 10:09:56 PM
Ok new record stupid comment from a BELLEVUE gun store clerk.
“ Glock 10mm is the best bear gun made. If I was going to Alaska tomorrow, and needed a firearm to protect myself, I would rather have a Glock 10mm than a 12 gage with slugs and buckshot”
I love opinion that’s never been tempered with reality or experience !
* Best gun for bears, no. With hard cast bullets it will do. Remember the bear guide who killed one with a 9mm and 147g hardcasts? His daughter carries a 357 with 180g hardcasts for protection.
*I definitely would rather have a 10mm with hardcasts than buckshot. Only an idiot thinks buckshot is adequate for large game.
*Your animal brain kicks in when facing a 1000lb bear and you won't lie to yourself. Most peoples info is just regugetated drivel they heard somewhere. Actual testing, killing and encounters are realitivly rare and is lost amongst "counter" experts mountains of bull excrement.
How can 10mm be better than buckshot? So 1x bullet of 10mm is better than 9x(at least) 9mm equivalent pellets at the same time ?
A lot of my family members and friends have and still hunt brown bear & wild boar with 00 or 000 buckshot back in Europe and it's 16 GAUGE, not even 12. Any animal drops in tracks if the bullet or pellet hits the brain or spine.
Post by: Windwalker on September 22, 2018, 09:37:20 AM
Some critters take a lot of killing, and the Glock almost didn't do it.
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/09/14/glock-20-ends-bear-attack-just-barely/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2018-09-18&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter
another link from the same story
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/09/dean-weingarten/a-new-mexico-bear-attack-finally-stopped-by-a-glock-10mm-pistol/
Post by: Cougartail on September 22, 2018, 10:20:30 AM
Glock 20 Ends Bear Attack, Just Barely
Some critters take a lot of killing, and the Glock almost didn't do it.
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/09/14/glock-20-ends-bear-attack-just-barely/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2018-09-18&utm_campaign=Weekly%20Newsletter
another link from the same story
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/09/dean-weingarten/a-new-mexico-bear-attack-finally-stopped-by-a-glock-10mm-pistol/
Hardcast bullets, heavy for caliber are the only bullets that should be used in handguns for bear protection because penetration is what counts.
Buckshot does poorly in the penetration department.. Would you think about shooting a bear 9 times with a soft lead 55 grain bullet traveling at 1200 to 1500 fps.. That's what your doing with 00 buck shot
Post by: KFhunter on September 22, 2018, 11:04:51 AM
BRAND:UNDERWOOD AMMO
SKU:242
TECHNICAL INFORMATION
Caliber: 10mm Auto
Bullet Weight: 220 Grains
Bullet Style: Hi -Tek Coated Hard Cast Flat Nose 21 BHN
Case Type: Ducta-Bright 7a Nickel Plated Brass
BALLISTICS INFORMATION
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 703 ft lbs
Post by: Windwalker on September 25, 2018, 10:54:54 PM
Some interesting information here-
https://loadoutroom.com/thearmsguide/10006-2/
Personally I like to keep in mind if I would consider a 30-30 adequate since hand gun loads are dismal in comparison. It depends on the critter and what you are competent with.
There is something to be said for a 10mm with proper loads and practice being better than the shotgun/45-70 (or insert your preference) leaning against a tree out of reach.
I've had no problems in the past with fast follow up shots using my 44 mag. and have carried it in Brown bear country but it wouldn't be my first choice as a back up if fishing a stream in Alaska.
Post by: optic2 on September 25, 2018, 11:17:38 PM
Ok new record stupid comment from a BELLEVUE gun store clerk.
“ Glock 10mm is the best bear gun made. If I was going to Alaska tomorrow, and needed a firearm to protect myself, I would rather have a Glock 10mm than a 12 gage with slugs and buckshot”
I love opinion that’s never been tempered with reality or experience !
Penetration is why he said that. A larger round will hit much harder but won't penetrate as well. A high pressure, higher grain smaller round will penetrate better to internal organs. And penetrating internal organs is how you kill animals.
A guide in Alaska killed a grizzly with the 9mm Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman ammo. Follow the link and scroll down and it will give you the story.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
Post by: Oh Mah on September 26, 2018, 12:07:11 AM
Post by: jdb on September 26, 2018, 04:41:06 AM
with all due respect I think you have your penetration facts a little off.Ok new record stupid comment from a BELLEVUE gun store clerk.
“ Glock 10mm is the best bear gun made. If I was going to Alaska tomorrow, and needed a firearm to protect myself, I would rather have a Glock 10mm than a 12 gage with slugs and buckshot”
I love opinion that’s never been tempered with reality or experience !
Penetration is why he said that. A larger round will hit much harder but won't penetrate as well. A high pressure, higher grain smaller round will penetrate better to internal organs. And penetrating internal organs is how you kill animals.
A guide in Alaska killed a grizzly with the 9mm Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman ammo. Follow the link and scroll down and it will give you the story.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
Post by: BKMFR on September 26, 2018, 04:51:59 AM
Post by: Wazukie on September 26, 2018, 06:06:48 AM
Can these extreme penetrator bullets be bought somewhere for reloading yet?
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?targetLocation=%2F_%2FN-19785%2B4294943531%2B4294939244%3FNp%3D2%26Nr%3DAND%2528p_visible%253A1%252Ccustomertypeid%253A1%2529%26Nrpp%3D24%26Ns%3Dp_metric_sales_velocity%257C1%26Ntpc%3D1%26Ntpr%3D1&userItemsPerPage=48&persistedItemsPerPage=0
Post by: Oh Mah on September 26, 2018, 07:04:47 AM
Thanks i will look them up.Can these extreme penetrator bullets be bought somewhere for reloading yet?
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?targetLocation=%2F_%2FN-19785%2B4294943531%2B4294939244%3FNp%3D2%26Nr%3DAND%2528p_visible%253A1%252Ccustomertypeid%253A1%2529%26Nrpp%3D24%26Ns%3Dp_metric_sales_velocity%257C1%26Ntpc%3D1%26Ntpr%3D1&userItemsPerPage=48&persistedItemsPerPage=0
Post by: KFhunter on September 26, 2018, 08:20:14 AM
The 10mm is a good compromise all things considered but I certainly wouldn't scoff at someone with a revolver or smaller auto or just bear spray, at least they have *something*
After 8 days of hiking up and down mountains chasing Elk I was wishing I brought the SIG P365 instead of the G20 because it's so lightweight, but that was only until I found myself following some Grizz tracks hours old then me wishing I had the little P365 vanished.
Post by: ljsommer on September 26, 2018, 10:44:10 AM
Ok new record stupid comment from a BELLEVUE gun store clerk.
“ Glock 10mm is the best bear gun made. If I was going to Alaska tomorrow, and needed a firearm to protect myself, I would rather have a Glock 10mm than a 12 gage with slugs and buckshot”
I love opinion that’s never been tempered with reality or experience !
Well one of those two things fits comfortably on your hip. Context matters I suppose.
Post by: Stein on September 26, 2018, 11:16:00 AM
Ok new record stupid comment from a BELLEVUE gun store clerk.
“ Glock 10mm is the best bear gun made. If I was going to Alaska tomorrow, and needed a firearm to protect myself, I would rather have a Glock 10mm than a 12 gage with slugs and buckshot”
I love opinion that’s never been tempered with reality or experience !
Penetration is why he said that. A larger round will hit much harder but won't penetrate as well. A high pressure, higher grain smaller round will penetrate better to internal organs. And penetrating internal organs is how you kill animals.
A guide in Alaska killed a grizzly with the 9mm Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman ammo. Follow the link and scroll down and it will give you the story.
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388
I'll take the 12 gauge every day and twice on Sunday.
Post by: SpurInSpokane on September 26, 2018, 12:54:59 PM
Right around the 46 minute mark, they start talking about the testing of different calibers. Spoiler....they recommend 9mm or 10mm
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-hunt-backcountry-podcast/e/54153613
The whole podcast was pretty interesting, especially since it was released around the same time that Randy Newberg's pod with griz survivor Todd Orr came out.