Post by: eastfork on August 07, 2018, 10:27:14 AM
Post by: Old Dog on August 07, 2018, 10:36:29 AM
Post by: smithkl42 on August 07, 2018, 10:47:24 AM
Post by: wa_archer on August 07, 2018, 11:24:32 AM
Here is the other question; If you find a camera in an area your scouting and its not locked do you take a peak at what they have on the card?
Honestly myself as long as they don't mess with it and just check the card and leave it set up i don't really care. Would rather that then f with it by taping the lens or sensor over or worse.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 07, 2018, 11:49:49 AM
Post by: eastfork on August 07, 2018, 01:00:57 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 07, 2018, 01:05:30 PM
Post by: b0bbyg on August 07, 2018, 01:20:36 PM
Its the people that are doing something illegal I am more worried about, garbage dumping, pot growing, harvesting without a license etc...
Been lucky so far have never had a camera taken or messed with.
Post by: Bango skank on August 07, 2018, 03:08:06 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 07, 2018, 03:14:18 PM
My guess is that the majority of "stolen" cams were set up like this one. In fact, I would be willing to bet that this particular one will end up as described above.
PS; I hope it does not get jacked cause I left a pretty funny pic/vid for the guy. :hello:
Post by: eastfork on August 07, 2018, 03:36:16 PM
Here is what I don't get. This is a cam I came across, pretty close to a road, very popular area, 4' high, and just webbing strap around a tree. This is just asking for a critter to tear it down, or, to be stolen.
My guess is that the majority of "stolen" cams were set up like this one. In fact, I would be willing to bet that this particular one will end up as described above.
PS; I hope it does not get jacked cause I left a pretty funny pic/vid for the guy. :hello:
Ok, to further proof my point, secured or not, it still maybe stolen. But even if it's just strapped to tree, why steal it? Just because it's not bolted to tree it's free to steal? That my point. I think there are more hunters that will just grab it and run then we think. And bolted to a tree don't stop a thief either. So, do you gamble on losing a trail cam, or a trail cam with box and lock...... :dunno:
Post by: Stein on August 07, 2018, 03:39:33 PM
Not buying it that greenies are off trail mashing through swamps and salmon berries looking for cams....I'm pretty sure its other hunters.
Yep, most non-hunters stick to the trails or berry bushes very close to trails. Just look at the pictures of people caught on cams, probably better than 90% are hunters.
Post by: eastfork on August 07, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
Post by: eastfork on August 07, 2018, 03:43:19 PM
Not buying it that greenies are off trail mashing through swamps and salmon berries looking for cams....I'm pretty sure its other hunters.
Yep, most non-hunters stick to the trails or berry bushes very close to trails. Just look at the pictures of people caught on cams, probably better than 90% are hunters.
Yup. Totally agree. Pisses me off that the ones your suppose to so call respect and support are the ones stabbing us in the back. Total d bags
Post by: b0bbyg on August 07, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
I have seen a few but never messed with them, also never had mine taken and never seen people on mine either.
Post by: rasbo on August 07, 2018, 04:47:18 PM
Post by: gaddy on August 07, 2018, 04:47:32 PM
Never had a thought of taking his cam, OR, looking at the card. Not mine to mess with.
Just don't want to be grouped with the other hunters that are considered D-Bag theive's. Once it is gone, you will never know.
Wave and say hello, you might meet up some time and have a laugh or become friends.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 07, 2018, 04:56:20 PM
Seems like you have an axe to grind with the hunting community. Have you lost a lot of cameras? just trying to understand why you feel this way. Should I be more worried than I am?
I have seen a few but never messed with them, also never had mine taken and never seen people on mine either.
:yeah:
Here is what I don't get. This is a cam I came across, pretty close to a road, very popular area, 4' high, and just webbing strap around a tree. This is just asking for a critter to tear it down, or, to be stolen.
My guess is that the majority of "stolen" cams were set up like this one. In fact, I would be willing to bet that this particular one will end up as described above.
PS; I hope it does not get jacked cause I left a pretty funny pic/vid for the guy. :hello:
Ok, to further proof my point, secured or not, it still maybe stolen. But even if it's just strapped to tree, why steal it? Just because it's not bolted to tree it's free to steal? That my point. I think there are more hunters that will just grab it and run then we think. And bolted to a tree don't stop a thief either. So, do you gamble on losing a trail cam, or a trail cam with box and lock...... :dunno:
How does this prove your point :dunno:
My advice for you would be not to gamble, lock it and place it well. Of course it may still be stolen.....but to think it always mainly hunters is naïve.
I run 12-14 cams a year, all in a metal box and locked to a tree, and out of reach from the ground. I have never had a cam stolen, and have had only 4-5 people on my cams......ALL but 1 were non hunters.
From my picture above, what chance does that cam have against a curious bear? ….. Zero
Post by: smithkl42 on August 07, 2018, 05:30:44 PM
Post by: buglebrush on August 07, 2018, 05:51:26 PM
Post by: eastfork on August 07, 2018, 06:06:40 PM
These are you so called hard core d bags. The bottom of the barrel absolute losers. They would of took it no matter what. Lock box or not. So why must I ask, why would a so called hard core back country hunter do this......absolute losers.
Post by: ljsommer on August 07, 2018, 06:09:49 PM
I've had folks spot my camera five different times. Two of them looked it over and then left it, but the other three left their numbers on the camera and ask me to give 'em a call. Had a great chat with all of them, and one of them has become my go-to hunting buddy. YMMV :-).
That's a really neat story! My hunting buddy was another newbie in hunter safety class.
As for cameras, I've only been hanging for a year but it's been a LOT of camera time in one year, with 6 cams in rotation. So far, so good.
Which is nice, since 1.) it's incredibly fun and 2.) it may be the closest I get to an animal for a long, long time!
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 07, 2018, 06:34:50 PM
4 miles in wilderness. No where near trail. Been on a active elk wallow for over 5 years. Lock box and lagged to tree. Phone number and note on outside of box. D bags pryed cam box from tree....with what dont know and dont Carr. Point is, these weren't your mushroom pickers, or greenies. Boot tracks were there. Same exact boot track as kenetreks.
These are you so called hard core d bags. The bottom of the barrel absolute losers. They would of took it no matter what. Lock box or not. So why must I ask, why would a so called hard core back country hunter do this......absolute losers.
Sooooo what youre saying is that ONLY hunters wear Kenetreks, and because boot tracks were there, it HAD to be a hunter that stole it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm right there with you, thieves are scum bags, but to put all of the blame on a hunter when in reality you have NO idea who, or what may have removed your camera is very short sighted.
Could have been; a bear, an elk, FS employee, bunny hugger, hiker, tweaker, shroomer, a drug grower, heck maybe it was biggie. The point is, you are bashing hunters with zero proof. Gives all hunters a bad name IMO
Again, lock it up in a box with a cable, camo it, and put it up high. Majority never see it, the ones who do will need a ladder or chainsaw to steal it.
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 07, 2018, 06:46:09 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on August 07, 2018, 06:52:54 PM
Post by: flyfishWA on August 07, 2018, 09:13:01 PM
Post by: Dan-o on August 07, 2018, 09:27:40 PM
I wonder how many members that troll on here have snuck a camera out of the woods.......would be interesting to know.....
I've seen lots.
I've taken none.
I expect the same from anyone I hunt with. But there are dirtbags in every crowd.
Post by: Dan-o on August 07, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
It really is frustrating/depressing to show up to find your camera missing.
Mine hang in well used areas.........
I used to "Hang and Hope." that worked for a few years, but it caught up with me. Had 3 stolen in 2 years.
I still don't buy lock boxes or cables. I buy really cheap camera and then I camoflage them as well as I can. I actually glue bark/branches, to them...... :-) :-)
And I try to hide them better.
Haven't had one taken in a couple years........
But I can't afford to lose good cameras. I hang a lot of $30 specials. Pics aren't always great, but they do tell you what's in the neighborhood.
And to the OP: Hunter or not, a thief is a thief. I hope you find the dirtbag.
Post by: huntnnw on August 07, 2018, 09:37:26 PM
About a week ago i came across a camo bushnell cam strapped to a tree at waist level in ferry county. Wasnt secured at all, just the strap it came with. Kinda asking to be stolen, set up like that. Down low, zero security measures, on a major game trail. Curious to see if i get a pic of me waving at the cam posted in the people on cam thread here.
asking to be stolen? how about leave your hands off peoples crap! It doesn't matter if they are locked up or not. I have a buddy who runs a ton of cams in ferry and has had chains, cables and steel boxes axed!
Post by: huntnnw on August 07, 2018, 09:44:01 PM
I thought trail cameras left in wilderness was a no no?
never heard of that.. many place trail cams in wilderness units all across the west
Post by: b0bbyg on August 07, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
To the folks that hang their cameras high off the ground, do you climb trees or do you have a portable set of steps? I have thought about hanging them higher just not sure how I want to go about it.
Post by: bornhunter on August 07, 2018, 09:54:14 PM
Post by: Bango skank on August 08, 2018, 01:30:50 PM
About a week ago i came across a camo bushnell cam strapped to a tree at waist level in ferry county. Wasnt secured at all, just the strap it came with. Kinda asking to be stolen, set up like that. Down low, zero security measures, on a major game trail. Curious to see if i get a pic of me waving at the cam posted in the people on cam thread here.
asking to be stolen? how about leave your hands off peoples crap! It doesn't matter if they are locked up or not. I have a buddy who runs a ton of cams in ferry and has had chains, cables and steel boxes axed!
I didnt steal it, and i wouldnt steal it, and im not saying its okay to. But the fact is, putting them in a highly visible spot with zero precautions is asking for trouble. There are a lot of lowlifes out there, and im just being realistic about it. Dont shoot the messenger.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 08, 2018, 02:25:59 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 08, 2018, 02:36:53 PM
It was on a piece of private land that only I had permission to be on and it was after the trespasser threatened me about being there. I did replace the cam with the landowners business card tho. :chuckle:
Post by: Bango skank on August 08, 2018, 02:50:22 PM
I’ve taken one trail cam from the woods that wasn’t mine.
It was on a piece of private land that only I had permission to be on and it was after the trespasser threatened me about being there. I did replace the cam with the landowners business card tho. :chuckle:
I see nothing wrong with that. I found a treestand stashed on posted private land that i have permission to hunt. I went and told the landowner about it, and he said it shouldnt be there, its yours now. So i took it, and its been collecting dust in my garage since. Whoever owned that treestand shouldnt have been trespassing. Screw em.
Post by: eastfork on August 08, 2018, 03:36:47 PM
:yeah: :yeah:About a week ago i came across a camo bushnell cam strapped to a tree at waist level in ferry county. Wasnt secured at all, just the strap it came with. Kinda asking to be stolen, set up like that. Down low, zero security measures, on a major game trail. Curious to see if i get a pic of me waving at the cam posted in the people on cam thread here.
asking to be stolen? how about leave your hands off peoples crap! It doesn't matter if they are locked up or not. I have a buddy who runs a ton of cams in ferry and has had chains, cables and steel boxes axed!
Post by: vandeman17 on August 08, 2018, 04:38:15 PM
:yeah: :yeah:About a week ago i came across a camo bushnell cam strapped to a tree at waist level in ferry county. Wasnt secured at all, just the strap it came with. Kinda asking to be stolen, set up like that. Down low, zero security measures, on a major game trail. Curious to see if i get a pic of me waving at the cam posted in the people on cam thread here.
asking to be stolen? how about leave your hands off peoples crap! It doesn't matter if they are locked up or not. I have a buddy who runs a ton of cams in ferry and has had chains, cables and steel boxes axed!
I don't think he was saying it should be stolen but as any of us know that run cameras, there are too many POS people out there that would. If possible, I do everything I can to deter theft of my gear. :twocents:
Post by: eastfork on August 08, 2018, 04:41:01 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on August 09, 2018, 01:11:59 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 09, 2018, 07:12:46 AM
Post by: eastfork on August 09, 2018, 08:33:17 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on August 09, 2018, 09:21:27 AM
So, tell me this, that d bag that is stealing around d corral pass. Mostly likely a mushroom picker? I think not.nope, I believe they are hunters, especially where my cameras have been.
Post by: Oh Mah on August 09, 2018, 09:23:05 AM
To try and say that only a hunter would go out off the beaten path just to look for ($200. plus) trail cams to steal is not thinking about value.A berry picker or mushroom picker can easily buy berries and mushrooms at the store for far less trouble and cost in my op, adding fuel and all that yet they still do.Thieves steal the dumbest things just to sell them on CL or whatever.They don't want to work,be responsible so going out and stealing and selling it is the only job they want.A lot of the times they are already at the trail head watching you leave your vehicle (this why i always write down the other license plates before leaving my vehicle) so they can steal out of the rig while you're gone. :twocents:
Another thought,A nature hiking couple may have gotten caught on that cam way out in the bush doing natural things and seen it after the fact and went all in to get that cam :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 09, 2018, 09:39:05 AM
Exactly.
Assuming it’s a hunter without proof........we’ll we all know what happens when you ass u me.
Sad that some hunters feel the need to trash their own. IMHO
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 09, 2018, 10:19:30 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 09, 2018, 11:25:15 AM
Post by: shallowforks on August 09, 2018, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: buglebrush on August 09, 2018, 01:44:11 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 09, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
Had 2 stolen. Both on private property, one most likely another hunter, the other by a tenant who lived at an old farmhouse on the property. She stole it and gave it to the county sheriff and said it belonged to a trespasser. She did not like having a hunter on the property:) I was able to retrieve the camera from the sheriff, and after a lengthy debate with the tenant we compromised that I would move to the farthest corner of the property away from the farmhouse and in return she would leave me alone. Ended up killing my biggest whitetail to date at that far corner not more than a few days Later. And I owe it all to her :chuckle:
Well, there's one case of anti-hunters taking a cam. :dunno: I doubt that's the only one. Which brings up an interesting point: when you guys have lost cams on public land, do you contact the FS and/or the sheriff to see if someone turned them in?
Post by: Oh Mah on August 09, 2018, 01:55:54 PM
How many are just lost?Put it in such a remoter back woods spot they can't find it and assume it was stolen.
Post by: b0bbyg on August 09, 2018, 02:01:16 PM
Post by: Jellymon on August 09, 2018, 02:48:21 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 09, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
It's usually a Hunter, because hunters don't like people in "their" secret spot, and don't want anyone seeing "their" bucks/bulls. Sadly there's d-bags in every demographic.
So, tell me this, that d bag that is stealing around d corral pass. Mostly likely a mushroom picker? I think not.nope, I believe they are hunters, especially where my cameras have been.
So tell us, WHAT PROOF do you have that it is "usually a hunter"?
Thief's suck. They come in all walks of life.
Does it really matter WHO stole it? ……..its gone.
Does it really matter WHY they stole it?.....its gone.
All that will come of hunters putting the blame on other hunters is nothing but ammo for the anti's & greenies.
Go back and read through this thread as if you were an Anti-Hunter. What message are you sending out to the masses on the internet about hunters? ...........They're all thieves?
Most I believe are not.
Hunting/Hunters already have plenty of folks already against us, PLEASE do not stoke their fire by claiming it HAS to be a hunter, when in fact you have zero idea who/what took the camera.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on August 09, 2018, 04:10:21 PM
Post by: eastfork on August 10, 2018, 01:26:49 PM
Post by: builtfordtough on August 10, 2018, 02:01:36 PM
Post by: Thehowler on August 10, 2018, 03:01:00 PM
Elk are a game cams worst enemy.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 10, 2018, 10:03:53 PM
Bear box lagged to tree with 2 6 inch torque head bolts. Teb feet off ground. Yeah, I run a bunch of cams too. I have at least 40 out right now. Pretty sure I know what I'm doing when I set them up. Not trying pissy, but no elk, bear, deer, cougar, squirrel or opossum removed it. Evidently maybe a moose decided to climb a tree and stand on my camera box..... :chuckle:
Honest questions,
1. How did you get it up ten feet off ground when you/it was 4 miles into the wilderness?
2. Any Locks on it, cable or pad lock?
3. How was it taken? locks cut, bolts removed, pry bared off, Etc????
4. How in the heck do you keep track of, (or have the time to maintain) 40+ cameras?
5. Is this the only one you have ever had stolen?
Post by: Elkcollector82 on August 11, 2018, 05:47:10 AM
Bear box lagged to tree with 2 6 inch torque head bolts. Teb feet off ground. Yeah, I run a bunch of cams too. I have at least 40 out right now. Pretty sure I know what I'm doing when I set them up. Not trying pissy, but no elk, bear, deer, cougar, squirrel or opossum removed it. Evidently maybe a moose decided to climb a tree and stand on my camera box..... :chuckle:
Honest questions,
1. How did you get it up ten feet off ground when you/it was 4 miles into the wilderness?
2. Any Locks on it, cable or pad lock?
3. How was it taken? locks cut, bolts removed, pry bared off, Etc????
4. How in the heck do you keep track of, (or have the time to maintain) 40+ cameras?
5. Is this the only one you have ever had stolen?
Isn’t it illegal to use lag bolts or drill, screw and/or nail anything into a tree on federal land? Asking for a friend.
Post by: builtfordtough on August 11, 2018, 06:59:18 AM
I have another ?, is it illegal to have tree stands up right now on public lands.? This particular tree stand has foot spikes hammered in to the tree
Post by: bornhunter on August 11, 2018, 02:46:27 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on August 11, 2018, 02:55:26 PM
I need to get a camera. Which brand would ya'll recommend without breaking the bank. My buddy has a Bushnell and I like its simplicity. I think he paid about a buck and a half.
Stc-g42ng off amazon. They are $99 on prime. Use to run bushnell. Sold all them and went with stealth-cam. Never looked back.
Post by: bornhunter on August 11, 2018, 03:00:02 PM
Post by: Fish4Fun on August 15, 2018, 01:25:55 PM
So, YES there are still dirt bag piles of crap in the woods that will look at you and tell a lie
Post by: BreezyBear on September 30, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
Post by: justyhntr on September 30, 2018, 12:55:10 PM
I am similar in approach to Dan-O, but cheaper cameras and usually do not leave in a too obvious spot. Left one pretty obvious last time, but I am not sure I really like that camera so would be less disappointed if that one goes missing. Its about 5-7 years old and pics up motion a little slow.
To the folks that hang their cameras high off the ground, do you climb trees or do you have a portable set of steps? I have thought about hanging them higher just not sure how I want to go about it.
I use 4 strap-on steps that can get my camera about 12-15 ft. up . I also use a stripped down climbing tree stand, it's easier to use but is more cumbersome in the woods to carry so I usually use the steps. I built some hangers using eye bolts and a flat peice of steal that I strap to the tree. Never had a camera stolen but we did have a bear climb 12 ft. up the tree and destroy one.
Post by: KILLA on October 12, 2018, 02:16:58 PM
Conditions:
1) How difficult is it to get to the site where the camera is located?
2) How difficult is it to see the camera in the environment you place it?
3) How difficult is it to remove the camera from where you place it?
I tend to place my cameras where the answer to each of those question is: Very difficult. In six years, I have only had one person on all of my cams, who was very respectful and left it.
That being said, this is the first year that I have placed some of the cams in a areas that are easier to get to, but with a lock and in inconspicuous places. Therefor the probability that I have one stolen goes up... I hope none are missing when I retrieve them, but then again, I knew the odd's when I placed them.
It has nothing to do with other people. It has everything to do with how we calculate the probability of the outcome.
HAPPY HUNTING!
Post by: jtrammell on October 22, 2018, 04:48:48 PM
Some of you have seen the video of me catching two guys trying to steal my trail camera. Once I posted this to Facebook, I had SO MANY people telling me that these two are known poachers in the area and that they have been known to break the law frequently. Are they poachers :dunno: do they break the law often :chuckle: I cant say for a fact that they are poachers. Their public criminal records tell me the go to court a lot.
Post by: LongBomb on October 22, 2018, 05:07:45 PM
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Some of you have seen the video of me catching two guys trying to steal my trail camera. Once I posted this to Facebook, I had SO MANY people telling me that these two are known poachers in the area and that they have been known to break the law frequently. Are they poachers :dunno: do they break the law often :chuckle: I cant say for a fact that they are poachers. Their public criminal records tell me the go to court a lot.
:tup: nice on catching them at it!! @jtrammell What kind of set up do you use? Ive lost 2 on private property that I'm the only one allowed to be on. :bash:
Post by: jtrammell on October 22, 2018, 05:15:33 PM
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Some of you have seen the video of me catching two guys trying to steal my trail camera. Once I posted this to Facebook, I had SO MANY people telling me that these two are known poachers in the area and that they have been known to break the law frequently. Are they poachers :dunno: do they break the law often :chuckle: I cant say for a fact that they are poachers. Their public criminal records tell me the go to court a lot.
:tup: nice on catching them at it!! @jtrammell What kind of set up do you use? Ive lost 2 on private property that I'm the only one allowed to be on. :bash:
I used a CamLockBox with a pad lock. If you watch the video, they shoot the lock in order to get it off.