Post by: bornhunter on August 11, 2018, 07:10:55 AM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on August 11, 2018, 07:31:41 AM
https://hsmammunition.com/bear-load/
Post by: bearpaw on August 11, 2018, 07:42:17 AM
Some guys I know are packing smaller semi-auto pistols (I think .40's) with some new fangled bullets and those loads will go through a bear at close range, kind of amazing. I'll try to remember to ask what that ammo is called, that type of bullet loaded in a more powerful .44 would probably be very deadly.
Post by: Encore 280 on August 11, 2018, 08:00:22 AM
Post by: bornhunter on August 11, 2018, 08:17:39 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on August 11, 2018, 08:35:59 AM
They come 20 to a box and run around $35 or more a box.
They have a website www.buffalobore.com
Post by: jrebel on August 11, 2018, 08:38:20 AM
Post by: huntnnw on August 11, 2018, 09:30:57 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 11, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 11, 2018, 10:03:10 AM
Post by: bornhunter on August 11, 2018, 10:17:51 AM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on August 11, 2018, 10:57:22 AM
Post by: jasnt on August 11, 2018, 11:05:09 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 11, 2018, 11:18:29 AM
Boneaddict you are right on. Will miss anyway. Never used to carry while hunting but in the last two years had run in with a bear and a cougar. Had a stare down with a big blackie and had I had a sidearm thats exactly what I would have done, made a lot of noise but not tried to hit it unless it charged. Then finding a fresh cougar elk kill and then spotting the cat 50 feet above me watching me look over his breakfast, I now carry while hunting. Thanks everyone for the bullet info. Now to go shopping.
Certainly makes you feel better than swinging a big fir limb. Goodluck
Post by: bearpaw on August 11, 2018, 12:47:24 PM
I've spoke with a guy that hound hunted bears, killed hundreds working for the timber companies, and he said stay away from the hard cast and go with jacketed. Said the hc works but they'd often run a bit after the shot or mess up the dogs. Any first hand experience with using both?
I like jacketed expanding bullets best, but a hunter from Indiana killed a half dozen or so bear with me through the years, he made his own hard cast bullets with some alloy added to the lead, I think it was tin. He was pretty deadly, but I would agree that softer bullets open faster and cause more damage, but the harder bullets will more often go all the way through and that can be deadly too, so there are two different ways of looking at it and both types of bullets are deadly if you put them where they need to go! :dunno:
Post by: boneaddict on August 11, 2018, 01:15:45 PM
Tin and antimony mixed in. Tin makes the bullet harder versus pure lead. Just like hollow versus jacketed you get to play to make it to characteristics you desire. Penetration versus expansion. When shooting a six shooter, I'll alternate them (similiar ballistics) Maybe weird and ultimately may not matter much on the other end.I've spoke with a guy that hound hunted bears, killed hundreds working for the timber companies, and he said stay away from the hard cast and go with jacketed. Said the hc works but they'd often run a bit after the shot or mess up the dogs. Any first hand experience with using both?
I like jacketed expanding bullets best, but a hunter from Indiana killed a half dozen or so bear with me through the years, he made his own hard cast bullets with some alloy added to the lead, I think it was tin. He was pretty deadly, but I would agree that softer bullets open faster and cause more damage, but the harder bullets will more often go all the way through and that can be deadly too, so there are two different ways of looking at it and both types of bullets are deadly if you put them where they need to go! :dunno:
Post by: Dan-o on August 11, 2018, 01:20:47 PM
Those hard cast bullets leave the most devastating wound channels I've ever seen. Truly amazing. 45 caliber hole, but HUGE wound channel.
That's enough to make me carry my 10MM with hard casts when in big bear country.
(And I think Bone is right.......... I'd probably miss)
Post by: bearpaw on August 11, 2018, 01:22:02 PM
Tin and antimony mixed in. Tin makes the bullet harder versus pure lead. Just like hollow versus jacketed you get to play to make it to characteristics you desire. Penetration versus expansion. When shooting a six shooter, I'll alternate them (similiar ballistics) Maybe weird and ultimately may not matter much on the other end.I've spoke with a guy that hound hunted bears, killed hundreds working for the timber companies, and he said stay away from the hard cast and go with jacketed. Said the hc works but they'd often run a bit after the shot or mess up the dogs. Any first hand experience with using both?
I like jacketed expanding bullets best, but a hunter from Indiana killed a half dozen or so bear with me through the years, he made his own hard cast bullets with some alloy added to the lead, I think it was tin. He was pretty deadly, but I would agree that softer bullets open faster and cause more damage, but the harder bullets will more often go all the way through and that can be deadly too, so there are two different ways of looking at it and both types of bullets are deadly if you put them where they need to go! :dunno:
yes that was what he called the mix :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 11, 2018, 02:18:51 PM
Post by: jasnt on August 11, 2018, 03:20:24 PM
Post by: Ingwe on August 11, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
Post by: Windwalker on August 12, 2018, 02:20:59 AM
I've spoke with a guy that hound hunted bears, killed hundreds working for the timber companies, and he said stay away from the hard cast and go with jacketed. Said the hc works but they'd often run a bit after the shot or mess up the dogs. Any first hand experience with using both?
I like jacketed expanding bullets best, but a hunter from Indiana killed a half dozen or so bear with me through the years, he made his own hard cast bullets with some alloy added to the lead, I think it was tin. He was pretty deadly, but I would agree that softer bullets open faster and cause more damage, but the harder bullets will more often go all the way through and that can be deadly too, so there are two different ways of looking at it and both types of bullets are deadly if you put them where they need to go! :dunno:
"jacketed expanding bullets best" :tup:
That said- I'd caution to stay clear of hollow points in the rare event things go sideways and your best option is a quick head shot.
The story is so redneck I don't wana retell it but, suffice it to say there is a higher probability of even a 44 mag hollow point to botch a head shot and pancake than a solid and only knock it out.
Yea it has to be the perfect 'wrong' angle and all that BUT I have a buddy that will absolutely, positively never use hollow points on bear.
Hypothetically speaking.. if you were to traipse down the steep hill on slick pine needles...as the hounds are having a wild time worrying this bear you just give a 3rd eye to.
When it suddenly comes to, stands up and recognizes the thing that caused it grief and a raging headache, you frigging slip and slide straight down the hill between its legs and the only thing keeping it from ripping your face off are the hounds slamming into it. (God Bless those hounds)
It may led to a few disparaging thoughts on your choice of ammunition.
Just say'n.
Do as you wish & may your aim be true each and every time. My choice is not to use hollow points.
Ahh, as a side note. Your choice of bullets are imminently less important than to verify you actually have ammunition in your gun before crawling on your hands and knees through the brush to get into the fray. Be it hollow points, solids or those high B.C. dynamos of modern computer profiles than to arrive just in time to hear a loud "click".
Yup, another good guy I knew had the occasional lapse. I am not judging BTW.
He was reflecting how thankful he was another kind sole came along and gave him a newer gun. With ammunition.
His was the worse for wear, having used it jousting with a bear, it unceremoniously had chewed off the front sight and chomped the stock into splinters.
I am told it is an anomaly to the wonders of nature how loud that 'click' is, in contrast to the pandemonium of hounds baying when a bear swirls at you when on hands and knees in thick under brush & turns out your only defense is feeding it your 'no bang' stick to keep it busy.
Use what ever ammunition floats your boat. Bears aren't that difficult..usually.
And if they are, once the rodeo is over you'll have a great story to tell.
Post by: bornhunter on August 12, 2018, 08:10:49 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 12, 2018, 04:29:42 PM
I've spoke with a guy that hound hunted bears, killed hundreds working for the timber companies, and he said stay away from the hard cast and go with jacketed. Said the hc works but they'd often run a bit after the shot or mess up the dogs. Any first hand experience with using both?
I like jacketed expanding bullets best, but a hunter from Indiana killed a half dozen or so bear with me through the years, he made his own hard cast bullets with some alloy added to the lead, I think it was tin. He was pretty deadly, but I would agree that softer bullets open faster and cause more damage, but the harder bullets will more often go all the way through and that can be deadly too, so there are two different ways of looking at it and both types of bullets are deadly if you put them where they need to go! :dunno:
"jacketed expanding bullets best" :tup:
That said- I'd caution to stay clear of hollow points in the rare event things go sideways and your best option is a quick head shot.
The story is so redneck I don't wana retell it but, suffice it to say there is a higher probability of even a 44 mag hollow point to botch a head shot and pancake than a solid and only knock it out.
Yea it has to be the perfect 'wrong' angle and all that BUT I have a buddy that will absolutely, positively never use hollow points on bear.
Hypothetically speaking.. if you were to traipse down the steep hill on slick pine needles...as the hounds are having a wild time worrying this bear you just give a 3rd eye to.
When it suddenly comes to, stands up and recognizes the thing that caused it grief and a raging headache, you frigging slip and slide straight down the hill between its legs and the only thing keeping it from ripping your face off are the hounds slamming into it. (God Bless those hounds)
It may led to a few disparaging thoughts on your choice of ammunition.
Just say'n.
Do as you wish & may your aim be true each and every time. My choice is not to use hollow points.
Ahh, as a side note. Your choice of bullets are imminently less important than to verify you actually have ammunition in your gun before crawling on your hands and knees through the brush to get into the fray. Be it hollow points, solids or those high B.C. dynamos of modern computer profiles than to arrive just in time to hear a loud "click".
Yup, another good guy I knew had the occasional lapse. I am not judging BTW.
He was reflecting how thankful he was another kind sole came along and gave him a newer gun. With ammunition.
His was the worse for wear, having used it jousting with a bear, it unceremoniously had chewed off the front sight and chomped the stock into splinters.
I am told it is an anomaly to the wonders of nature how loud that 'click' is, in contrast to the pandemonium of hounds baying when a bear swirls at you when on hands and knees in thick under brush & turns out your only defense is feeding it your 'no bang' stick to keep it busy.
Use what ever ammunition floats your boat. Bears aren't that difficult..usually.
And if they are, once the rodeo is over you'll have a great story to tell.
yes, the dreaded "click" :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on August 12, 2018, 05:19:22 PM
I think for defensive uses I'd look at one of the factory loads with either the 225gr Barnes XPB, 300gr XTP or the 280 A-Frame. Those would all give good penetration and expand well if you had to use them a light skinned animal like a cougar.
Post by: jasnt on August 12, 2018, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: shallowforks on August 12, 2018, 07:23:27 PM
Post by: spin05 on August 13, 2018, 04:12:13 AM
Post by: Machias on August 13, 2018, 11:49:46 AM
I've spoke with a guy that hound hunted bears, killed hundreds working for the timber companies, and he said stay away from the hard cast and go with jacketed. Said the hc works but they'd often run a bit after the shot or mess up the dogs. Any first hand experience with using both?
I like jacketed expanding bullets best, but a hunter from Indiana killed a half dozen or so bear with me through the years, he made his own hard cast bullets with some alloy added to the lead, I think it was tin. He was pretty deadly, but I would agree that softer bullets open faster and cause more damage, but the harder bullets will more often go all the way through and that can be deadly too, so there are two different ways of looking at it and both types of bullets are deadly if you put them where they need to go! :dunno:
"jacketed expanding bullets best" :tup:
That said- I'd caution to stay clear of hollow points in the rare event things go sideways and your best option is a quick head shot.
The story is so redneck I don't wana retell it but, suffice it to say there is a higher probability of even a 44 mag hollow point to botch a head shot and pancake than a solid and only knock it out.
Yea it has to be the perfect 'wrong' angle and all that BUT I have a buddy that will absolutely, positively never use hollow points on bear.
Hypothetically speaking.. if you were to traipse down the steep hill on slick pine needles...as the hounds are having a wild time worrying this bear you just give a 3rd eye to.
When it suddenly comes to, stands up and recognizes the thing that caused it grief and a raging headache, you frigging slip and slide straight down the hill between its legs and the only thing keeping it from ripping your face off are the hounds slamming into it. (God Bless those hounds)
It may led to a few disparaging thoughts on your choice of ammunition.
Just say'n.
Do as you wish & may your aim be true each and every time. My choice is not to use hollow points.
Ahh, as a side note. Your choice of bullets are imminently less important than to verify you actually have ammunition in your gun before crawling on your hands and knees through the brush to get into the fray. Be it hollow points, solids or those high B.C. dynamos of modern computer profiles than to arrive just in time to hear a loud "click".
Yup, another good guy I knew had the occasional lapse. I am not judging BTW.
He was reflecting how thankful he was another kind sole came along and gave him a newer gun. With ammunition.
His was the worse for wear, having used it jousting with a bear, it unceremoniously had chewed off the front sight and chomped the stock into splinters.
I am told it is an anomaly to the wonders of nature how loud that 'click' is, in contrast to the pandemonium of hounds baying when a bear swirls at you when on hands and knees in thick under brush & turns out your only defense is feeding it your 'no bang' stick to keep it busy.
Use what ever ammunition floats your boat. Bears aren't that difficult..usually.
And if they are, once the rodeo is over you'll have a great story to tell.
Awesome stuff!!!!!!
Post by: 2MANY on August 13, 2018, 12:01:20 PM
Post by: shortymorty on August 13, 2018, 09:25:40 PM
Post by: spin05 on August 14, 2018, 01:17:17 AM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on August 14, 2018, 03:14:40 PM
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Post by: bornhunter on August 14, 2018, 03:17:25 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on August 14, 2018, 03:22:31 PM
Guessing those dudes must buck a little bit?Only a bit lol. I figure when and if it comes to that... adrenaline will keep them from bucking too much. Also, the wife told me that if I get mauled by a bear that she is going to whoop my butt soooo... going big and bad to try and be prepared for anything.
Post by: bornhunter on August 15, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
Post by: shortymorty on August 15, 2018, 10:34:43 PM
Post by: yorketransport on August 16, 2018, 05:10:09 AM
Many Grizzlies have been killed with 10mm 180 gr. Hp.In all reality it is all about shot placement.Super heavy loads brings the muzzle up way to far.With a glock 10mm follow up shots are right there.Twice as many rounds as compared to the 44 :twocents:
I love the 10 mm as much as the next guy and I’ve had 5 of them, but it’s really not in the same league as a 44 mag. Even a hot loaded 10mm is a distant second to the 44mag. I say that as a guy who’s really not a big 44mag fan either. The 41 mag is a much better comparison to the 10mm.
What I really want to know is where are you guys at that you’re worried about a bear sneaking up in you? I could stand in a berry field covered in bacon grease and the only bears I’d see would be running the other direction. :chuckle:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 16, 2018, 05:13:07 AM
Post by: mountainman on August 16, 2018, 08:38:12 AM
Now that's a scary image in itself! 😝Many Grizzlies have been killed with 10mm 180 gr. Hp.In all reality it is all about shot placement.Super heavy loads brings the muzzle up way to far.With a glock 10mm follow up shots are right there.Twice as many rounds as compared to the 44 :twocents:
I love the 10 mm as much as the next guy and I’ve had 5 of them, but it’s really not in the same league as a 44 mag. Even a hot loaded 10mm is a distant second to the 44mag. I say that as a guy who’s really not a big 44mag fan either. The 41 mag is a much better comparison to the 10mm.
What I really want to know is where are you guys at that you’re worried about a bear sneaking up in you? I could stand in a berry field covered in bacon grease and the only bears I’d see would be running the other direction. :chuckle:
Post by: bornhunter on August 16, 2018, 10:34:34 AM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on August 16, 2018, 02:27:26 PM
Not really worried about one sneaking up on me. More worried about if the bear doesn't go down from the rifle shot and makes it into the brush. Rifles in thick brush are slow and hard to maneuver. My 44 mag pistol wont be as hard to move around. Really I'm hoping to kill the bears within eye sight so I don't have to chase them but we all know that sometimes animals can soak up a TON of lead and keep on churning.Many Grizzlies have been killed with 10mm 180 gr. Hp.In all reality it is all about shot placement.Super heavy loads brings the muzzle up way to far.With a glock 10mm follow up shots are right there.Twice as many rounds as compared to the 44 :twocents:
I love the 10 mm as much as the next guy and I’ve had 5 of them, but it’s really not in the same league as a 44 mag. Even a hot loaded 10mm is a distant second to the 44mag. I say that as a guy who’s really not a big 44mag fan either. The 41 mag is a much better comparison to the 10mm.
What I really want to know is where are you guys at that you’re worried about a bear sneaking up in you? I could stand in a berry field covered in bacon grease and the only bears I’d see would be running the other direction. :chuckle:
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