Post by: pianoman9701 on August 20, 2018, 07:43:24 AM
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/
August 20, 2018
Contacts: Donny Martorello, 360-902-2521
Bruce Botka. 360-902-2262
WDFW plans to take lethal action in response
to depredation on cattle by Togo wolf pack
OLYMPIA – State wildlife managers plan to take lethal action to respond to livestock depredations by the Togo wolf pack on federal grazing lands in northern Ferry County.
Kelly Susewind, director of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW), authorized field staff to take lethal measures to remove one or more members of the Togo wolf pack, which has preyed on cattle on six separate occasions in the Kettle River Range since last November.
Donny Martorello, WDFW's lead wolf manager, said the department’s field staff documented three of those depredations by pack members in the past 30 days.
The Togo pack, whose presence was first suspected in 2016 and confirmed last February, has at least two adult members and an unknown number of pups. Wildlife managers have monitored the pack’s movements since June, when the adult male was captured and fitted with a tracking collar.
Susewind said the department's response is consistent with Washington's Wolf Conservation and Management Plan of 2011, which authorizes WDFW to consider lethal action to address repeated attacks by wolves on livestock.
“I have reviewed the pack’s pattern of depredation along with the department’s wolf plan and wolf-livestock interaction protocol, and have concluded this action is warranted,” Susewind said. “The evidence shows that non-lethal measures have not been successful, and the pack will continue preying on livestock unless we take action to change its behavior.”
Under the protocol developed in conjunction with WDFW’s Wolf Advisory Group, the department can consider lethal action against a wolf pack if the pack repeatedly kills or injures livestock three times within a 30-day period or four times in 10 months. Ranchers who sustain those losses must have used at least two approved non-lethal measures to protect their livestock to be considered for an authorization for lethal action.
Based on a recent court order, the department must provide one business day (8 court hours) advance public notice before initiating lethal action on wolves. Consequently, the department will initiate lethal removal efforts no earlier than 5 p.m. Monday, Aug. 20.
Martorello said the last three depredations occurred within a 30-day period and met the department’s guidelines for considering lethal action. The department has documented six depredations by the Togo pack since last fall, and five met the department’s expectations for employing non-lethal conflict prevention measures.
The rancher whose herd sustained the last three depredations has taken several steps to discourage wolf predation. At the start of the grazing season, he delayed turnout until late June so the calves would be larger and used bright strobe lights on his private pasture to deter wolves. Following turnout, he has removed sick or injured cattle from the allotment and deployed one or more range riders each day to help him check on his cattle. He has also moved his cattle when necessary to avoid wolves.
The Togo pack is one of 22 wolf packs and a minimum of 122 wolves documented in Washington state by WDFW as of March 2018. Annual surveys have shown the population growing at a rate of about 30 percent each year.
For more information about wolf management actions and the Togo pack, see Update on Washington Wolves at http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/.
Post by: bearpaw on August 20, 2018, 07:50:27 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 20, 2018, 09:28:46 AM
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Post by: bornhunter on August 20, 2018, 10:13:15 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 20, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
Sounds good but will make absolutely no difference at all. This is just a happy dance by the govt. This same problem will surface with this pack and will continue with other packs. The wolves need to go period.
Well, that's not going to happen, ever. We need to get to delisting or we need the WDFW to continue killing problem packs. Those are the choices, as I see them.
Post by: WaltAlpine on August 20, 2018, 02:33:05 PM
No wonder we are seeing more problems all the time.
They should expand to vashon island soon!
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Post by: tracksoup on August 20, 2018, 04:51:13 PM
Post by: wolfbait on August 20, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
WDF&Wolves and partners doing what the USFWS and their partners did in ID, MT, and Wyoming after the illegal wolf introduction..
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Post by: KFhunter on August 20, 2018, 05:48:25 PM
Coulda had all weekened to wack a few dogs before the courts got involved...or did they plan it this way ???
Post by: tracksoup on August 20, 2018, 05:51:27 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 20, 2018, 05:57:15 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/washington-judge-blocks-kill-order-wolves-save-cattle-57296360
Post by: WSU on August 20, 2018, 06:03:47 PM
It's about time, WDFW has been dragging their feet after they promised swifter action in the future, what a joke, every time wolves kill more members of the pack becomes more accustomed to making beef their prey. If WDFW had a clue they would try to eliminate the problem causing wolves before the whole pack is turned into beef eaters! Common sense is somehow not involved, it's all about appeasing the wolf lovers!
Put yourself in their shoes. I’m not wdfw’s biggest fan, but it makes sense to sit your i’s and cross your t’s when you know you are likely to get sued.
Post by: PA BEN on August 20, 2018, 06:10:26 PM
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Post by: PA BEN on August 20, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
Post by: wolfbait on August 20, 2018, 08:35:13 PM
Looks like the tree huggers got it stopped because WDFW didn't do an environmental impact study. :bash:
If that's the excuse, it would seem there should be a environmental impact study on the diseases the fake endangered wolves spread across the country?
Wonder how long it took WDFW and their partners to come up with that excuse? Or what the next one will be, this reminds me of the USFWS and their fake environmental partners suing at every turn to stop delisting.
I went to one of the meetings with WDFW's million dollar consultant, she want to talk about how the environmentalists just wanted to sit down with those of us who didn't like wolves dumped on us, have a cup of tea and get to know each other better.
The people I was with promptly told her we hadn't had any trouble with the fake environmentalists yet, but WDF&Wolves had lied to us at every turn. Welcome to the fraud and corruption of WA's wolf introduction.
Post by: bornhunter on August 20, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 20, 2018, 11:17:18 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 21, 2018, 05:13:43 AM
Post by: Curly on August 21, 2018, 05:54:06 AM
Or maybe it's past time to revise the dumb wolf plan?
Post by: nwwanderer on August 21, 2018, 06:24:56 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 21, 2018, 06:46:21 AM
http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20180820/judge-blocks-killing-of-togo-pack-wolf#disqus_thread
It's not a stretch to say that the animal rights groups with membership on the WAG are using insider information to defeat efforts by the WDFW to protect the assets and families of the NE from depredation and attacks. This is disgusting and all too predictable.
Post by: idahohuntr on August 21, 2018, 06:59:22 AM
Post by: jackelope on August 21, 2018, 07:02:09 AM
2014 wolf near Togo............. :tup: :tup: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Pretty sure that's a coyote with a lazy eye.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 21, 2018, 07:11:36 AM
If this is just a preliminary injunction it does not mean anything other than a judge wants to give plaintiffs time to argue their case. This is why wdfw has to have a defensible process before killing wolves...they will be challenged every time they try.
Of course they'll be challenged every time. Our residents are not getting the truth about the effect the wolves are having and about their population growth. They're getting only propaganda from animal rights groups whose coffers are burgeoning from donations to "save the wolves", which as we all know, are in no danger. The more this happens, the more the WDFW has to spend on litigation when their funds are already tight. Not only do the residents of the NE get no relief, money will continue to be funneled away from conservation into wolf recovery and this litigation, a double-whammy for our other wildlife. This will continue until delisting is achieved.
Post by: wolfbait on August 21, 2018, 07:13:32 AM
http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20180820/judge-blocks-killing-of-togo-pack-wolf#disqus_thread
It's not a stretch to say that the animal rights groups with membership on the WAG are using insider information to defeat efforts by the WDFW to protect the assets and families of the NE from depredation and attacks. This is disgusting and all too predictable.
Yep, WDF&Wolves have really worked hard at protecting assets etc. in the past while they sleep with CNW, DoW etc.... :rolleyes:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 21, 2018, 07:26:58 AM
2014 wolf near Togo............. :tup: :tup: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Pretty sure that's a coyote with a lazy eye.
I'm pretty sure you're right........ :tup:
Post by: huntnfmly on August 21, 2018, 07:55:48 AM
They have thier own in house lawyer so they are able to basically put money into their organizations and we are paying for it
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 21, 2018, 08:00:35 AM
Post by: HaydenHunter on August 21, 2018, 08:29:21 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 21, 2018, 08:37:58 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on August 21, 2018, 08:45:16 AM
The Equal Access to Justice Act. It was set up originally to help individuals fighting the immense assets of the government by awarding winning parties legal fees. It's since been completely abused by these groups to pay a team of organization attorneys in lawsuits against the government. It's become a huge business for them and the more taxpayer money they're awarded, the more press they get and the more donations that pour in. It's a very corrupt system that allows this.Thank you for that I knew i was close with the name lol
And yes the way these organizations abuse it is terrible I wasn't sure how many people actually have heard about it
Post by: idahohuntr on August 21, 2018, 08:51:40 AM
The challenges will continue regardless of "getting the truth". This is a political issue with substantial misinformation pushed by extremists on both sides.If this is just a preliminary injunction it does not mean anything other than a judge wants to give plaintiffs time to argue their case. This is why wdfw has to have a defensible process before killing wolves...they will be challenged every time they try.
Of course they'll be challenged every time. Our residents are not getting the truth about the effect the wolves are having and about their population growth. They're getting only propaganda from animal rights groups whose coffers are burgeoning from donations to "save the wolves", which as we all know, are in no danger. The more this happens, the more the WDFW has to spend on litigation when their funds are already tight. Not only do the residents of the NE get no relief, money will continue to be funneled away from conservation into wolf recovery and this litigation, a double-whammy for our other wildlife. This will continue until delisting is achieved.
Post by: gaddy on August 21, 2018, 04:28:19 PM
If a rancher sees a wolf in an area where wolf kills are documented, and has met the states kill them criteria, they should be allowed to take them out on sight, no lawsuits, no state intervention, no tax payer moneys.
Post by: bornhunter on August 21, 2018, 04:45:54 PM
Post by: HaydenHunter on August 21, 2018, 05:26:50 PM
You don't say? You should probably read the previous posts before you post "new" information. Just sayin'.Gee, I am sorry I was on the fly and didn't have time to read page two of the thread before I posted. Will you forgive me? :dunno:
Post by: shortymorty on August 21, 2018, 05:53:11 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on August 21, 2018, 09:31:56 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 22, 2018, 05:33:20 AM
You don't say? You should probably read the previous posts before you post "new" information. Just sayin'.:chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 22, 2018, 06:18:06 AM
You don't say? You should probably read the previous posts before you post "new" information. Just sayin'.Gee, I am sorry I was on the fly and didn't have time to read page two of the thread before I posted. Will you forgive me? :dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: PA BEN on August 23, 2018, 06:26:38 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 23, 2018, 06:28:54 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 23, 2018, 07:08:21 PM
$8000.00 dollars a day??? :bash:
.................of your taxpayers dollars.
Post by: PA BEN on August 23, 2018, 08:04:45 PM
Post by: bigmacc on August 23, 2018, 08:46:03 PM
Probably why the increase in tags and licenses?
I wouldn't mind the increases if they were spending 8 grand a day to take care of and better our deer and elk herds. No wonder many have ZERO confidence and trust in the WDFW. All the money being spent on all predators in this state is ridiculous and all while our ungulate herds deteriorate :bash:
Post by: wolfbait on August 24, 2018, 07:21:46 AM
Probably why the increase in tags and licenses?
I wouldn't mind the increases if they were spending 8 grand a day to take care of and better our deer and elk herds. No wonder many have ZERO confidence and trust in the WDFW. All the money being spent on all predators in this state is ridiculous and all while our ungulate herds deteriorate :bash:
In your face corruption!
Ranchers have gotten the best look at WDFW's corruption with WDF&Wolves refusal to confirm predation of livestock by wolves and then dragging their feet in doing anything to curb the situation.
Washington has spent 16+ years listening to WDFW lies, refusing to confirm wolf packs etc. and wolf predation on livestock, and now their fake environmental partners are here to continue the fraud with lawsuits.
WDFW and CNW will now take the high ground and blame the "new" lawsuits as a reason for prolonging wolf control and delisting.
In the meantime the DNR and USFS burn the country to the ground.
Post by: PA BEN on August 24, 2018, 11:05:14 AM
https://cattleproducersofwa.com/2018/08/24/wolf-control-as-critical-as-firefighting/
Post by: nwwanderer on August 24, 2018, 12:19:25 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 24, 2018, 12:43:07 PM
This likely would not have happened in the first place had the court never got involved.
Post by: bearpaw on August 24, 2018, 12:49:17 PM
Any of the sheriffs in the northeast corner have what it takes to step up?
Our Stevens County Sheriff is retiring. I'm not going to hold my breath that whomever wins election will have the fortitude to step up!
Post by: wolfbait on August 24, 2018, 02:14:43 PM
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This likely would not have happened in the first place had the court never got involved.
You mean it probably wouldn't have happened if WDF&Wolves would have been honest with the people of WA from the very beginning.
Now WDFW, CNW etc. will try to take the high road and play the blame game, while their own past actions have truly sucked.
Post by: bigmacc on August 24, 2018, 02:57:30 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on August 24, 2018, 03:22:56 PM
"the adult wolves often attempt to escort perceived intruders away"..... :bash:, my god I,m sure as hell not going to wait to see if Im being "escorted" or getting ready to be attacked when I got a wolf growling, barking and snarling at me! I,m telling you, something real bad is going to happen, its just a matter of time. There is no way wolves or any apex predators for that matter(cougars) should be left to populate, breed and thrive in this particular state, not with our population growing and more and more of those people getting out and about, when the unthinkable starts happening like Ive said before, I hope someone or some organization or agency is held accountable, I know they won't but they should..... :twocents:@bigmacc
The first part of your post is funny as hell not waiting to see if your being escorted or attacked😂😂
Post by: PA BEN on August 24, 2018, 04:26:35 PM
Post by: bigmacc on August 24, 2018, 04:34:22 PM
"the adult wolves often attempt to escort perceived intruders away"..... :bash:, my god I,m sure as hell not going to wait to see if Im being "escorted" or getting ready to be attacked when I got a wolf growling, barking and snarling at me! I,m telling you, something real bad is going to happen, its just a matter of time. There is no way wolves or any apex predators for that matter(cougars) should be left to populate, breed and thrive in this particular state, not with our population growing and more and more of those people getting out and about, when the unthinkable starts happening like Ive said before, I hope someone or some organization or agency is held accountable, I know they won't but they should..... :twocents:@bigmacc
The first part of your post is funny as hell not waiting to see if your being escorted or attacked😂😂
:chuckle:, I guess so, but in that situation I think I,m gonna error on the side of hes gonna attack! I guess it will be my fault if it turns out it was just a polite wolf who wanted to escort me away from a dangerous situation, :chuckle:.....unbeleivable!! :bash:
Post by: huntnfmly on August 24, 2018, 04:49:02 PM
Post by: wolfbait on August 25, 2018, 10:47:40 AM
"the adult wolves often attempt to escort perceived intruders away"..... :bash:, my god I,m sure as hell not going to wait to see if Im being "escorted" or getting ready to be attacked when I got a wolf growling, barking and snarling at me! I,m telling you, something real bad is going to happen, its just a matter of time. There is no way wolves or any apex predators for that matter(cougars) should be left to populate, breed and thrive in this particular state, not with our population growing and more and more of those people getting out and about, when the unthinkable starts happening like Ive said before, I hope someone or some organization or agency is held accountable, I know they won't but they should..... :twocents:@bigmacc
The first part of your post is funny as hell not waiting to see if your being escorted or attacked😂😂
:chuckle:, I guess so, but in that situation I think I,m gonna error on the side of hes gonna attack! I guess it will be my fault if it turns out it was just a polite wolf who wanted to escort me away from a dangerous situation, :chuckle:.....unbeleivable!! :bash:
The USFWS, WDFW, CNW etc. have tried from the beginning to humanize wolves, comparing them to a family unit etc.. At this stage of the game the general public is beginning to see the real wolf and like you Bigmacc, there won't be any extensive decision making going on during encounters that involve aggression by wolves.
Those that believe the lies of the pro-wolf crowd will end up in trees, chewed on or wolf scat. And if we happen to hear the truth about the attacks, WDFW, CNW and the rest of their ilk will have several excuses that favor wolves just like the last wolf encounter, how many wolf dens ect. can magically appear?
Wolves in Russia
http://wolvesinrussia.com/
Post by: bigtex on August 25, 2018, 11:20:19 AM
Any of the sheriffs in the northeast corner have what it takes to step up?And do what exactly?
Post by: singleshot12 on August 25, 2018, 11:23:16 AM
Post by: PA BEN on August 25, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
Post by: Curly on August 25, 2018, 05:06:07 PM
http://www.capitalpress.com/Livestock/20180824/up-a-tree-forest-service-worker-describes-wolf-ordeal
Thanks for posting that.
Post by: wolfbait on August 26, 2018, 09:12:33 AM
http://www.dailyastorian.com/Local_News/20180824/up-a-tree-forest-service-worker-describes-wolf-ordeal
Another link for those who are not subscribed to the Capital Press.
Imagine the horror the school teacher went through before and while the wolves were killing her.
DNA and Investigation Confirm Candice Bernier Killed by Wolves
https://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2011/12/07/dna-and-investigation-confirm-candice-bernier-killed-by-wolves/
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 26, 2018, 04:54:25 PM
Post by: PA BEN on August 28, 2018, 07:04:24 AM
Post by: wolfbait on August 28, 2018, 09:20:39 AM
http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20180827/rancher-says-wolves-driving-him-off-range#disqus_thread
Thanks for posting :tup:
As the article stated, wolf predation on livestock will only get worse, as wolves and other predators deplete their prey base.
Mean while WDFW and CNW etc. are probably celebrating, another rancher moves off public lands.
Post by: jackelope on August 29, 2018, 03:03:20 PM
https://komonews.com/news/local/eastern-wash-rancher-shoots-injures-wolf
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 29, 2018, 05:33:40 PM
Post by: notawolffan on August 31, 2018, 01:17:24 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/updates.php
OLYMPIA – A Thurston County Superior Court judge today issued an order permitting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) to initiate lethal action to remove the adult male wolf from a pack that has repeatedly preyed on livestock in northeast Washington.
WDFW Director Kelly Susewind welcomed the decision by Judge Carol Murphy to deny a request for a preliminary injunction by two environmental groups, the Center for Biological Diversity and Cascadia Wildlands, which would have prohibited the wolf’s removal. In rejecting the plaintiffs’ request, Murphy said they had not met the legal standard required for her to issue an injunction.
As a result, a temporary restraining order issued by the court on Aug. 20, which has prohibited WDFW’s lethal removal action, will expire at 5 p.m. today.
Consistent with the department’s wolf-livestock interaction protocol, Susewind authorized WDFW staff to kill the adult male member of the Togo pack after investigators confirmed the pack had been involved in six livestock depredations in the past 10 months and three in the 30 days preceding Aug. 20.
A rancher said he shot at the wolf, which has been fitted with a GPS collar, in self-defense on Aug. 23. WDFW staff have confirmed the wolf sustained what appeared to be a broken leg, although it has remained mobile.
Susewind said the department would implement the lethal removal action upon the expiration of the temporary restraining order, based on the recommendation of WDFW wolf managers, who said:
There is no evidence to indicate the pack’s behavior – the killing of livestock – will change.
While the male wolf is injured, the adult female may have trouble feeding both the adult male and her two pups unless she continues to prey on livestock.
It is more difficult for wolves to successfully capture wild game animals, such as deer and elk, than cows and calves.
More information about the Togo pack, including reports of the investigations into six livestock depredations attributed to the pack, are available at https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/updates.php. :IBCOOL:
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 01, 2018, 06:20:49 AM
Post by: wolfbait on September 01, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Get the chopper up before they change their minds.
I'm sure CNW and WDF&wolves will be chomping at the bit to kill some wolves now, well maybe half a wolf, the one that has a shot up leg.
And of course this will no doubt set delisting back a few more years.
But don't worry because according to WDFW "data" wolves have not impacted the game herds, and that's after 16 years.
"It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/))"
"It is more difficult for wolves to successfully capture wild game animals, such as deer and elk, than cows and calves."
It's especially hard to "capture" wild game that has already been turned into wolf scat.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 01, 2018, 08:33:50 AM
Get the chopper up before they change their minds.:yeah: And turn off cell phones and radio comms.
Post by: boneaddict on September 01, 2018, 02:10:10 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 01, 2018, 09:09:18 PM
He’s collared and they know where he is at, shouldn’t take long.
And he is Limping! :tup:
Post by: jackelope on September 02, 2018, 06:16:39 PM
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/togo-pack-wolf-taken-out-by-state-marksman/
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 02, 2018, 07:38:10 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180903/9169037d4fa9f89abe1c7f95192d5361.png)
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/togo-pack-wolf-taken-out-by-state-marksman/
States Marksman.........now that's funny.
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 02, 2018, 07:54:31 PM
The killing of the wolf was delayed by about two weeks due to a temporary restraining order that was lifted Friday morning by a Thurston County Superior Court judge.
Two out-of-state environmental groups are suing WDFW over its lethal removal protocols, agreed to by instate ranchers, hunters, wolf advocates and the agency.
The wolf was shot east of Danville, hard by the US-Canada border, in the Togo territory.
Efforts to remove the animal, meant to try and prevent future livestock attacks, began Friday night and continued Saturday without a sighting of the collared breeding male.
WDFW plans to perform a necropsy on the carcass as soon as possible. They confirmed that it did have a rear leg injury, consistent with field staff observations following the reported self-defense shooting of the wolf by a local livestock producer Aug. 23.
A spokesman said the agency would have no further comment this weekend.
Staffers and local wolf advocates will continue to try and prevent more depredations by the rest of the Togos.
WDFW has removed wolves in Northeast Washington following depredations in 2012, 2014, 2016, 2017 and now 2018. Washington’s wolf population is strongest in this, federally delisted, corner of the state.
Knowing who the cattleman was and where he is located this is a vague description. If the wolf had ranged as far as they made it sound he was doing great on 3 legs. :tup:
Post by: wolfbait on September 03, 2018, 02:19:14 AM
According to WDFW "data" wolves have not impacted the game herds either!