Post by: jackelope on August 23, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 23, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on August 23, 2018, 03:51:16 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 23, 2018, 07:14:55 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2018, 05:53:45 AM
Post by: Special T on August 24, 2018, 07:30:16 AM
I'm surprised and delighted that CNW takes this stand. I can't agree with everything they support regarding the diseased, introduced canids. But this is a solid move in the right direction.
Don't be deceived by this Faux outrage... its a strategy to gain some kind of credibility while the other hand is making trouble.
Post by: shallowforks on August 24, 2018, 07:45:22 AM
Don't be deceived by this Faux outrage... its a strategy to gain some kind of credibility while the other hand is making trouble.
how about commending an organization when they do the right thing instead of accusing them of ulterior motives? How do we achieve any of the sportsmans/outdoorsmans agenda if we isolate ourselves and refuse to create relationships with those who don't share our opinion?
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 24, 2018, 08:12:17 AM
I'm surprised and delighted that CNW takes this stand. I can't agree with everything they support regarding the diseased, introduced canids. But this is a solid move in the right direction.
Don't be deceived by this Faux outrage... its a strategy to gain some kind of credibility while the other hand is making trouble.
I don't think they'd make a public statement expressing their opposition to these two groups' actions and risk losing support among their wolf-loving members/supporters. They have nothing to gain.
Post by: Special T on August 24, 2018, 11:08:29 AM
Don't be deceived by this Faux outrage... its a strategy to gain some kind of credibility while the other hand is making trouble.
how about commending an organization when they do the right thing instead of accusing them of ulterior motives? How do we achieve any of the sportsmans/outdoorsmans agenda if we isolate ourselves and refuse to create relationships with those who don't share our opinion?
Delay is a valid tactic, and used quite successfully by Anti consumptive groups. All we have to do is look at not too distant history of Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming to see how the system operates.
I understand that sportsmen are stuck. If they move too quick with out enough process the courts will just throw it back and it will take longer. Go through the process with the Faux hand wringing of trying to appease and seem reasonable, and we get sued anyway. You can only negotiate with folks in good faith, and it is a had pill to swallow that Mitch Freedman is that person.
Here are some excerpts from a Seattle Times article on him. His tactics has changed but his motivation and philosophy has not. His tactics were crude and less effective when he was part of Earth First. He softened his image and tactics to match the more subdued nature of folks here in the PNW.
https://www.seattletimes.com/pacific-nw-magazine/a-once-radical-mitch-friedman-now-collaborates-for-a-wilder-northwest/
"His group, later renamed Conservation Northwest, expanded the concept. From the still-smoking battlefield of the spotted owl, Friedman’s little band sorted through wary displaced generals on all sides, seeking pragmatists willing to deal on the next generation of environmental issues.
Patterns emerged: Friedman could call off the legal dogs keeping loggers out of the woods in exchange for critical habitat protection. "
"Detro, when pressed, admits he fears the wolf more as a political tool than a daily nuisance.
Environmentalists already destroyed the local logging industry under the guise of spotted-owl protection, Detro says. “Now here comes the wolf, the perfect tool for them to get livestock off public lands in the West.”
He sees it as just the latest volley in “an incremental destruction of our way of life” — part of a broader agenda to erode gun and property rights.
Nonsense, Friedman scoffs.
He understands the man’s anger, and regrets some of his own early antics — including those burned into Detro’s memory. But he doesn’t consider his goals then, or now, radical. And he minces no words describing those who would politicize wildlife-habitat issues.
“There’s always folks who will move themselves forward by dividing and scapegoating,” Friedman says. “May they burn in hell.”
Post by: wolfbait on August 25, 2018, 08:14:58 AM
And after the wolf plan is implemented WDFW along with CNW completely ignore the impact of wolves on the ungulates etc.. Why? Because wolves are just a tool the same as the spotted owl was. We have seen how that turned out.
There should be some that burn in hell for the genocide of Washington's wildlife and the untold suffering of livestock etc. by wolves.
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on August 28, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
Plenty more on that website. And our unequivocal support for fair chase hunting: https://www.conservationnw.org/about-us/resources/hunting-and-conservation/ (https://www.conservationnw.org/about-us/resources/hunting-and-conservation/)
You and some others may not like Conservation Northwest, that's fine. But we're far from these extremists filing ridiculous lawsuits, undermining collaborative conservation and wildlife management, and using red meat messaging to blatantly fundraise off it:
(https://www.conservationnw.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/IMG_1754.jpg)
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 28, 2018, 04:38:13 PM
Post by: bigdog2u on August 28, 2018, 07:07:09 PM
Plenty more on that website. And our unequivocal support for fair chase hunting: https://www.conservationnw.org/about-us/resources/hunting-and-conservation/
You and some others may not like Conservation Northwest, that's fine. But we're far from these extremists filing ridiculous lawsuits, undermining collaborative conservation and wildlife management, and using red meat messaging to blatantly fundraise off it:
This is hilarious. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: I'm sure all the predators will appreciate the wildlife crossings since there won't be any ungulates or prey animals left to use them. :dunno: :dunno: If CNW does support fair chase hunting and conservation so much, why don't they support a more aggressive predator control management in Washington state. CNW has continuously fought for wolves and other predators but I have seen nothing about them trying to actually balance the ecosystem by removing more predators and letting ungulates and other prey animals rebound. CNW knows they can post pretty pictures of predators and get the tree-huggers to donate large amounts of money to them but nobody is going to give them money to help save ungulates. If you want CNW to be taken seriously, tell them to support the whole ecosystem instead just using the poor predators issue to fill their coffers. Until they do that, they are nothing more than hypocritical extremists using animals for $$$$. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on August 28, 2018, 08:09:44 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 28, 2018, 08:27:03 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 29, 2018, 06:48:42 AM
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on August 29, 2018, 09:30:51 AM
Excuse me while I get the popcorn fired up...
I got my bowl popped and ready before commenting...
Less interested in changing the minds of WolfBait and company, more so in providing some perspectives for those willing to think critically about this issue, and conservation groups in general.
It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/ (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/))).
Post by: jackelope on August 29, 2018, 09:55:56 AM
Post by: h20hunter on August 29, 2018, 10:03:34 AM
:EAT:
Post by: KFhunter on August 29, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
Just because these guys are in a turf war over a decimated NEWA county isn't going to make me forget who's responsible for getting us here in first place. CNW was the driving force for an asinine wolf plan, WDFW got in bed with them and spooned.
CNW knows that if they attack outside rabid "conservation groups" it'll gain some measure of legitimacy here at home and it's working by reading this thread, but let's not ever forget who slit our throats in the first place!
Overly dramatic? Not if you witnessed the destruction first hand this wolf plan has wrought and continues to do.
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Post by: wolfbait on August 29, 2018, 10:42:13 AM
Excuse me while I get the popcorn fired up...
I got my bowl popped and ready before commenting...
Less interested in changing the minds of WolfBait and company, more so in providing some perspectives for those willing to think critically about this issue, and conservation groups in general.
It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/ (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/))).
"And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even a carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not happened in WA in regards to deer and elk"
I wonder what the wolves have been eating? And where did the "data" come from?
Conservation Groups? That's a dandy, the fake environmentalist groups stole that terminology from hunter etc..
I had to laugh when you said the fake environmental groups didn't want to see the wolves go unmanaged, because the wolf plan that WDFW and CNW wrote and passed has insured wolves would overpopulate, especially since they control the confirmation of wolves, in otherwards they control the numbers. WDFW/CNW created the mess we have today and now fake environmentalists are suing to stop management do to wolf predation of livestock, while WDFW/CNW pretend to be helping ranchers?
Wolves have a devastating impact on cattle, weight loss, aborted calves, etc. how does CNW propose to help in that department?
And then there are the diseases that wolves spread throughout the countryside:
A TALK ON WOLVES, DISEASE AND THE NEED FOR REFORMING THE ESA
http://tomremington.com/2017/04/10/a-talk-on-wolves-disease-and-the-need-for-reforming-the-esa/
The Wolf and the Spread of Disease by N. Nazarova
http://www.marbut.com/wolvesinrussia/WolfandDisease.html
Brucellosis And Wolves
http://tomremington.com/2015/02/16/brucellosis-and-wolves/
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/Do_predators_always_kill_substandard_Individuals_2-2013.pdf
"The enemy of my enemy, is still my enemy!"
Just because these guys are in a turf war over a decimated NEWA county isn't going to make me forget who's responsible for getting us here in first place. CNW was the driving force for an asinine wolf plan, WDFW got in bed with them and spooned.
CNW knows that if they attack outside rabid "conservation groups" it'll gain some measure of legitimacy here at home and it's working by reading this thread, but let's not ever forget who slit our throats in the first place!
Overly dramatic? Not if you witnessed the destruction first hand this wolf plan has wrought and continues to do.
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:yeah: :tup: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: grundy53 on August 29, 2018, 10:58:25 AM
"The enemy of my enemy, is still my enemy!"Well said!
Just because these guys are in a turf war over a decimated NEWA county isn't going to make me forget who's responsible for getting us here in first place. CNW was the driving force for an asinine wolf plan, WDFW got in bed with them and spooned.
CNW knows that if they attack outside rabid "conservation groups" it'll gain some measure of legitimacy here at home and it's working by reading this thread, but let's not ever forget who slit our throats in the first place!
Overly dramatic? Not if you witnessed the destruction first hand this wolf plan has wrought and continues to do.
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Post by: Special T on August 29, 2018, 11:11:40 AM
"The enemy of my enemy, is still my enemy!"Spot on
Just because these guys are in a turf war over a decimated NEWA county isn't going to make me forget who's responsible for getting us here in first place. CNW was the driving force for an asinine wolf plan, WDFW got in bed with them and spooned.
CNW knows that if they attack outside rabid "conservation groups" it'll gain some measure of legitimacy here at home and it's working by reading this thread, but let's not ever forget who slit our throats in the first place!
Overly dramatic? Not if you witnessed the destruction first hand this wolf plan has wrought and continues to do.
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Post by: ribka on August 30, 2018, 05:08:36 AM
I get my popcorn and coconut oil out for this one:
So your organization, cnw, is actively engaged with other anti hunting hunting organizations and shutting down hunting seasons and you and Mitch Friedman come on here with and claim you you are a pro hunting hunting organization . Both you and the eco terrorist Friedman have been repeatedly called out on your lies
Has Friedman paid for the medical bills and lost wages of the loggers he has injured yet???
Your response should generate another round of laughter :chuckle:
Excuse me while I get the popcorn fired up...
I got my bowl popped and ready before commenting...
Less interested in changing the minds of WolfBait and company, more so in providing some perspectives for those willing to think critically about this issue, and conservation groups in general.
It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/ (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/))).
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 30, 2018, 05:10:34 AM
Post by: ribka on August 30, 2018, 05:12:58 AM
X2 :tup:
Wolfbait, in addition to directly supporting Eastern Washington ranches avoid conflict with wolves, including the gentleman involved in this conflict, CNW has a number of programs benefiting ungulates. To claim that we're at all interested in their demise is nonsense. Here's one: https://www.conservationnw.org/our-work/habitat/okanogan-wildlife-crossing/
Plenty more on that website. And our unequivocal support for fair chase hunting: https://www.conservationnw.org/about-us/resources/hunting-and-conservation/
You and some others may not like Conservation Northwest, that's fine. But we're far from these extremists filing ridiculous lawsuits, undermining collaborative conservation and wildlife management, and using red meat messaging to blatantly fundraise off it:
This is hilarious. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: I'm sure all the predators will appreciate the wildlife crossings since there won't be any ungulates or prey animals left to use them. :dunno: :dunno: If CNW does support fair chase hunting and conservation so much, why don't they support a more aggressive predator control management in Washington state. CNW has continuously fought for wolves and other predators but I have seen nothing about them trying to actually balance the ecosystem by removing more predators and letting ungulates and other prey animals rebound. CNW knows they can post pretty pictures of predators and get the tree-huggers to donate large amounts of money to them but nobody is going to give them money to help save ungulates. If you want CNW to be taken seriously, tell them to support the whole ecosystem instead just using the poor predators issue to fill their coffers. Until they do that, they are nothing more than hypocritical extremists using animals for $$$$. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: nwwanderer on August 30, 2018, 07:03:17 AM
Post by: Special T on August 30, 2018, 08:19:46 AM
This is quite common place in many of the departments advisory groups.
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Post by: ribka on August 31, 2018, 03:14:12 AM
Chase
What’s CNW’s official statement regarding grizzly season permits just being shut down in Montana and Wyoming? Was CNW involved in the lawsuit that just shutdown the previously approved season??
Are you going to deflect and not answer the question again?
:chuckle:
Excuse me while I get the popcorn fired up...
I got my bowl popped and ready before commenting...
Less interested in changing the minds of WolfBait and company, more so in providing some perspectives for those willing to think critically about this issue, and conservation groups in general.
It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/ (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/))).
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 31, 2018, 05:05:14 AM
Post by: Widgeondeke on August 31, 2018, 07:59:11 AM
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on August 31, 2018, 08:59:26 AM
What’s CNW’s official statement regarding grizzly season permits just being shut down in Montana and Wyoming? Was CNW involved in the lawsuit that just shutdown the previously approved season??
CNW works strictly in Washington and British Columbia. We have no position on Yellowstone or NCDE delisting or the WY or ID grizzly hunts. Focus on the Northwest is part of what makes us effective.
We are the Washington State Affiliate of the National Wildlife Federation, America's oldest and largest conservation organization and one founded by hunters and anglers. NWF strongly supports grizzly delisting, maybe that helps answer your question... www.nwf.org/en/Latest-News/Press-Releases/2017/6-22-17-Yellowstone-Area-Grizzly-Bears-Ready-for-Delisting
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on August 31, 2018, 09:05:08 AM
I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.
And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.
Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/
In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.
“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.
Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2018, 01:11:31 AM
What good that do? Other range riders I know are actually family members of the ranch, they ride around mostly checking for crows circling, looking for dead cattle. Plenty of anecdotal evidence says range riders do not prevent any depredations, can you show me proof they do prevent losses?
When CNW starts hiring range riders with guns let me know 😉
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 02, 2018, 07:47:37 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 02, 2018, 08:38:29 AM
No out of state interference period. There needs to be laws in place to prevent any outside group from interfering with state wildlife plans.
We got along very well in this state with little to no wolves or grizzlies for many years.
And I have seen no evidence that we need large numbers of them now.
We all know what delisting will bring. Nothing. These groups will continue to sue over and over against delisting. It just huge amounts of fuss and money being spent on a animal which no one ever missed.
Post by: KFhunter on September 02, 2018, 01:57:44 PM
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Post by: Dale Gribble on September 02, 2018, 03:41:46 PM
I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.
And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.
Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/
In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.
“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.
Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...
Post by: ribka on September 02, 2018, 04:03:47 PM
Critical, clear think well educated folks are Still waiting to hear if CNW founder and former ( maybe not though))eco terrorist, Mitch Friedman, has paid for the medical bills and missed wages of innocent timber industry workers he injured??
Is CNW still working on their “tasty anti hunting activism” with the Sierra club ??? Remember when that was noted on your social media???
Crickets
It’s interesting to me and I’m sure others that you find it appropriate to come on to this forum and insult people by calling some of us as you say delusional and lacking critical thinking skills. For that and many other reasons I can assure you that many on this site and/or within the hunting community are highly unlikely to buy in to the rhetoric that you and your friends feel the need to push onto all others.I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.
And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.
Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/
In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.
“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.
Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...
Post by: ribka on September 02, 2018, 05:51:03 PM
X2 :chuckle:
Not smart enough to major in communications when I received my two degrees :chuckle:
Critical, clear thinking well educated folks are Still waiting to hear if CNW founder and former ( maybe not though))eco terrorist, Mitch Friedman, has paid for the medical bills and missed wages of innocent timber industry workers he injured??
Is CNW still working on their “tasty anti hunting activism” with the Sierra club ??? Remember when that was noted on your social media???
CricketsIt’s interesting to me and I’m sure others that you find it appropriate to come on to this forum and insult people by calling some of us as you say delusional and lacking critical thinking skills. For that and many other reasons I can assure you that many on this site and/or within the hunting community are highly unlikely to buy in to the rhetoric that you and your friends feel the need to push onto all others.I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.
And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.
Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/
In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.
“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.
Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...
Post by: wolfbait on September 03, 2018, 03:25:19 AM
X2 :chuckle:
Not smart enough to major in communications when I received my two degrees :chuckle:
Critical, clear thinking well educated folks are Still waiting to hear if CNW founder and former ( maybe not though))eco terrorist, Mitch Friedman, has paid for the medical bills and missed wages of innocent timber industry workers he injured??
Is CNW still working on their “tasty anti hunting activism” with the Sierra club ??? Remember when that was noted on your social media???
CricketsIt’s interesting to me and I’m sure others that you find it appropriate to come on to this forum and insult people by calling some of us as you say delusional and lacking critical thinking skills. For that and many other reasons I can assure you that many on this site and/or within the hunting community are highly unlikely to buy in to the rhetoric that you and your friends feel the need to push onto all others.I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.
And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.
Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/
In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.
“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.
Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...
WDFW have already ran the wolf introduction in WA like ID, MT and Wyoming, and CNW was right there helping it along. WDFW refuse to confirm wolf predation on livestock, and when they were finally forced to do so, they drag their feet with lethal controls. Non-lethal controls have never worked in other states. WDFW refuse to confirm known wolf packs/breeding pair, they lie about the impact the wolves have and are having on the game herds, and you pedaled the same lie as gospel.
CGDucksandDeer Wrote:
"It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk”. https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/
Compare WDFW’s action to date with the info. in the link below and you will see a definite comparison.
What They Didn’t Tell You About Wolf Recovery
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf
"As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species”.
The Canadian wolves are not native to WA, and where was the “middle ground” when CNW and WDFW were writing the wolf plan that was shoved on the people of WA?
"Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here…"
Most of the folks on H-W have followed the wolf issue quite extensively for several years. Many people in rural communities who believed the lies told by the USFWS, WDFW, and the fake environmental groups have since changed their minds as they have seen first hand the destruction left behind by the ‘'wild wolves” that kill deer in their yards etc.. Then there are the facts that can’t be lied about anymore after many years of wolves;
Wolf impacts underestimated
http://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm
So yes, you probably should go back to snowing the uninformed, they might even donate to the sob stories fake environmentalists conjured up when lethal wolf control is implemented.
How long before CNW and WDFW predict delisting again? 16+ years of wolves and WDFW says wolves have not impacted the game herds.
The Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2017%20Feb-Mar%202006%20The%20Northern%20Yellowstone%20elk%20herd.pdf
Nothing has changed in the last year...
Duplicity in the wolf debate
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,218612.0.html