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Title: Calling elk early
Post by: Casey on August 25, 2018, 05:11:19 PM
Just a friendly reminder, do not call elk until season has started. When you call and they start coming in and see you or smell you that will educate them and by season they will know not to respond to you. I’ve seen 2 videos this year already and the people calling are standing in the open just looking at the elk and then the elk sees them.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: coachcw on August 27, 2018, 08:30:47 PM
I agree
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Crunchy on August 27, 2018, 08:52:38 PM
I just got back from 4 days in eastern Oregon for their elk opener.  Wish I would have heard a bugle human or elk.  Still too dang early. 
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: scoutdog346 on August 27, 2018, 09:17:46 PM
YES guys please do NOT do that...agree 100%
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Martinhunter on August 27, 2018, 09:59:56 PM
Yep I agree, I don’t even really like going into where I’m planning to hunt within about 3 weeks of the opener.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: cryder on August 28, 2018, 03:53:31 AM
Now days calling is mostly a deterrent , they eather recognize the fakeness , get freaked out because your attracting preditors like a retarded critter , or they just shy away because of breaking the the silence to abruptly , these are not my words , they are the words or Wayne Charlton , champion elk caller ,these days all you should be doing is the lost calf call , this is what he told me in a face to face conversation 5 years ago , he said they have become silent critters for the most part , and blowing a bugle is just not beneficial any more 90% of the time , I've had my best day of bow hunting ever by using this advice , it worked perfectly ,cows come running and the bull follows , to say hey where do u think your going .Also , you shouldn't call at all unless there has been elk located nearby , and be very suital with the calls that are made because that's the way they are for the most part , it's all part of them adapting to to many woodsy soles in the hills all the time , and don't get me started on that !
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: IBspoiled on August 28, 2018, 05:47:56 AM
Just because the elk have been educated does not mean you wont be able to call them in.  learn to call better and quit whining
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: cbond3318 on August 28, 2018, 05:52:28 AM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Casey on August 28, 2018, 06:48:42 AM
Just because the elk have been educated does not mean you wont be able to call them in.  learn to call better and quit whining

I’m not whining at all. I’ve called elk in 2 years in a row. But there’s some people out there that will sit in their truck and bugle out the window with the truck on. Just use some common sense and wait till season.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on August 28, 2018, 06:53:21 AM
I will continue to call bulls in this archery season.  They are not silent critters.  Wait til later in the month its bugle fest!
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Timberstalker on August 28, 2018, 06:54:57 AM
Just because the elk have been educated does not mean you wont be able to call them in.  learn to call better and quit whining

I’m not whining at all. I’ve called elk in 2 years in a row. But there’s some people out there that will sit in their truck and bugle out the window with the truck on. Just use some common sense and wait till season.

I always turn the truck off.  Always.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: cbond3318 on August 28, 2018, 07:07:46 AM
Just because the elk have been educated does not mean you wont be able to call them in.  learn to call better and quit whining

I’m not whining at all. I’ve called elk in 2 years in a row. But there’s some people out there that will sit in their truck and bugle out the window with the truck on. Just use some common sense and wait till season.

I always turn the truck off.  Always.


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Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: 92xj on August 28, 2018, 07:08:21 AM
I just slam the door, shock gobble..I mean bugle.
I then will blow my bugle tube as loud as possible and of course only play with the elk that want to play in return.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: boneaddict on August 28, 2018, 07:58:30 AM
There is wisdom in Cryders words, though maybe a bit extreme, lol.   90% of you guys call too much, but keep doing it, because when I actually have trouble telling whether its real or not(usually not very often), its my next flag that its some dude.

and yes, shutting off the diesel and slamming the door prior to letting one rip is always fun entertainment.  I sometimes will answer just to keep things interesting and to keep the spirits up for some greenhorn.  They are sure to show up on here and report they are screaming.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Matth on August 28, 2018, 08:01:04 AM
give it a couple more weeks, and i will have zero problem calling bulls in with a bugle.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Matth on August 28, 2018, 08:07:15 AM
I do however agree that with the younger class of bulls, often times cow calls work better. With that said when i became more proficient with the bugle things got easier.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: boneaddict on August 28, 2018, 08:10:50 AM
Every situation is different.  Its the ability to understand it and adapt that makes some more successful than others.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Highhuntin on August 28, 2018, 08:37:59 AM
every time I call it goes straight to voicemail?? :dunno:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 28, 2018, 10:36:27 AM
I was into a bugling bull and 15-20 cows yesterday afternoon on my training hike. Lots of bugling and cow talk.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: ridgefire on August 28, 2018, 10:46:47 AM
Some of you guys do not realize what you are missing out on by not bugling.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: SteelheadTed on August 28, 2018, 12:27:17 PM
There is wisdom in Cryders words, though maybe a bit extreme, lol.   90% of you guys call too much, but keep doing it, because when I actually have trouble telling whether its real or not(usually not very often), its my next flag that its some dude.

and yes, shutting off the diesel and slamming the door prior to letting one rip is always fun entertainment.  I sometimes will answer just to keep things interesting and to keep the spirits up for some greenhorn.  They are sure to show up on here and report they are screaming.

I'm not an expert but the Born and Raised crew put on a clinic calling 100's of times a day and kill Rosie's in bunches.  I will be emulating their approach, since, you know, it works!
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Duckhunter14 on August 28, 2018, 12:40:06 PM
There is wisdom in Cryders words, though maybe a bit extreme, lol.   90% of you guys call too much, but keep doing it, because when I actually have trouble telling whether its real or not(usually not very often), its my next flag that its some dude.

and yes, shutting off the diesel and slamming the door prior to letting one rip is always fun entertainment.  I sometimes will answer just to keep things interesting and to keep the spirits up for some greenhorn.  They are sure to show up on here and report they are screaming.

I'm not an expert but the Born and Raised crew put on a clinic calling 100's of times a day and kill Rosie's in bunches.  I will be emulating their approach, since, you know, it works!

 :yeah: YouTube stars bugle every minute and only kill monsters. So that's what I'm going to do!  :chuckle: bought a whole pile of all the popular calls, the biggest bugle tube I could find and mounted a hoochie mama on each hip. Havent practiced with any of them. But come opening morning the elk will come a running!  :tup: :drool:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: PolarBear on August 28, 2018, 12:47:03 PM
There have been a bunch of morons calling elk up in Vail since the end of July..  They post videos of elk running 100 mph away from them and at the same time say "that one will be in the freezer in a month".  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: 2MANY on August 28, 2018, 12:59:46 PM
This might offend some here but it needs to be said.


The more elk per acre the more elk talk you will hear.


Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: hntrspud on August 28, 2018, 01:04:52 PM
Me personally, I wanna hunt the elk that are responsive. So I'm going to cover alot of ground trying to find one who is. I'm not looking for a possibility of finding an elk, I want one who will talk back! The ones that are heated and a bit horny.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 28, 2018, 01:07:33 PM
I don't get lots of elk but I make up for that with the number of calls I have. And, I use them all, normally at the same time...from the truck...with a beer. This is the year, I'm quite sure!
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Timberstalker on August 28, 2018, 01:07:41 PM
Me personally, I wanna hunt the elk that are responsive. So I'm going to cover alot of ground trying to find one who is. I'm not looking for a possibility of finding an elk, I want one who will talk back! The ones that are heated and a bit horny.

Exact same way I hunt cougars. Exact same!!
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: 2MANY on August 28, 2018, 01:15:25 PM
If there is such a thing as a bull that isn't horny you can bet it lives in the 206.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: b0bbyg on August 28, 2018, 01:19:06 PM
I don't get lots of elk but I make up for that with the number of calls I have. And, I use them all, normally at the same time...from the truck...with a beer. This is the year, I'm quite sure!

I am thinking about just calling from camp this year. That way I don't have to drive around and waste all that gas each day. plus cooler is handy at all times with drinks and snacks.
rough plan:
Wake up bugle like mad, get breakfast bugle and cow call. Take nap repeat with lunch. take nap repeat with dinner.    :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Timberstalker on August 28, 2018, 01:19:34 PM
This might offend some here but it needs to be said.


The more elk per acre the more elk talk you will hear.
Please refrain from offensive posts.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: vandeman17 on August 28, 2018, 01:22:04 PM
I think the original intent of this thread was about guys calling elk prior to season and not hunting them, thus educating them. It drives me crazy as well but it is their right to do as they want.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Matth on August 28, 2018, 03:13:24 PM
Me personally, I wanna hunt the elk that are responsive. So I'm going to cover alot of ground trying to find one who is. I'm not looking for a possibility of finding an elk, I want one who will talk back! The ones that are heated and a bit horny.

Exact same way I hunt cougars. Exact same!!
perzactly, you only need one, call a lot, cover a lot of ground, and your odds go up. Or just do what ever you like, and be happy to be able to do it.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: cryder on August 28, 2018, 10:25:31 PM
Eeeyyyuuuppp !! Bulls calling everywhere , just in time for bow season to be over absuguloooly !!
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 28, 2018, 11:21:43 PM
I cannot find the popcorn emoji , but just to  :stirthepot: :
I met a guy in early August.
Or, should I say, I heard him?
.
He was bugling, full out, beautiful 3 note calls...
You know, just like you practiced at the red lights...
.
I had never met this guy, and been hunting this gate for the last 3 years, so I found him and said hello.
He brought up his calling, bragged about the bulls he was seeing, even talked about ones he heard, but did not see.
I thought he was an idiot, but asked him if he thought it educated the elk, he replied, "I hope it does, the next time they come say hello, I am going to shoot the one I want"
Then showed me pictures of elk he has killed.
Claims they get used to hearing his bugle, and think the reason they did not meet before was due to whatever spooked them, not the other elk.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 28, 2018, 11:26:16 PM
I don't call until I am hunting, but have met a lot that do.
That's the problem with scouting.
Spen 3 months patterning an elk herd, then have 3 guys on mountain bikes show up at daylight putting on a show.
 :bash:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: SteelheadTed on August 29, 2018, 05:35:31 PM
There is wisdom in Cryders words, though maybe a bit extreme, lol.   90% of you guys call too much, but keep doing it, because when I actually have trouble telling whether its real or not(usually not very often), its my next flag that its some dude.

and yes, shutting off the diesel and slamming the door prior to letting one rip is always fun entertainment.  I sometimes will answer just to keep things interesting and to keep the spirits up for some greenhorn.  They are sure to show up on here and report they are screaming.

I'm not an expert but the Born and Raised crew put on a clinic calling 100's of times a day and kill Rosie's in bunches.  I will be emulating their approach, since, you know, it works!

 :yeah: YouTube stars bugle every minute and only kill monsters. So that's what I'm going to do!  :chuckle: bought a whole pile of all the popular calls, the biggest bugle tube I could find and mounted a hoochie mama on each hip. Havent practiced with any of them. But come opening morning the elk will come a running!  :tup: :drool:

I'd say you spent too much money on all that mess and I have no idea how you use a hoochie mamma when it's mounted to your hip.  You must do yoga.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: MADMAX on August 29, 2018, 05:48:35 PM
I cannot find the popcorn emoji , but just to  :stirthepot: :
I met a guy in early August.
Or, should I say, I heard him?
.
He was bugling, full out, beautiful 3 note calls...
You know, just like you practiced at the red lights...
.
I had never met this guy, and been hunting this gate for the last 3 years, so I found him and said hello.
He brought up his calling, bragged about the bulls he was seeing, even talked about ones he heard, but did not see.
I thought he was an idiot, but asked him if he thought it educated the elk, he replied, "I hope it does, the next time they come say hello, I am going to shoot the one I want"
Then showed me pictures of elk he has killed.
Claims they get used to hearing his bugle, and think the reason they did not meet before was due to whatever spooked them, not the other elk.

I know that guy
He lived across from me and spent hours calling every year in his yard
We used to call him “full draw”
Every story he ever told
“ I was at full draw but he was a smaller 6x so I passed “
He’s an xpeart 😆
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Rubenation1981 on August 29, 2018, 06:19:07 PM
Went out scouting with a friend 2 weeks ago and slapped a call out of his hand that he was about to blow on. Told him don't educate them!
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: cryder on August 29, 2018, 08:11:31 PM
I believe some are confused with who is training who , get a clue !!
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Fullabull on August 29, 2018, 08:56:50 PM
Most hunters don't call or are afraid to. Not sure why, it's your best bet at finding them to hunt them. Unless you have a lot of time to scout and spot and stock bulls you have already located prior to the season, you best bet is learning to locate by calling then the hunt is on. Lots of good calling info on YouTube ;)
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on August 29, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
So are u educating them when calling in season?
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Mr Mykiss on August 30, 2018, 05:06:46 AM
So are u educating them when calling in season?
Yes...but only if you don’t kill em!!
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on August 30, 2018, 07:00:31 AM
So by the numbers 90% are educating them in season since only 10% kill 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Matth on August 30, 2018, 08:31:10 AM
I think some are giving these critters to much credit. most of us are hunting the first legal elk that we find, and the 2.5 to 4.5 year old ones are the ones that we are getting. This age class of bull, although not dumb is fairly tough to educate to the point that they can't be called in while they are rutting. On more than one occasion  i have called the same bull in multiple times in the same season, it's all about finding one that is ready. Now on the other hand when we start talking about the older, and more mature animals they are very well educated, by life. The bull that lives long enough to become a solitary animal when not rutting, is the bull that is very easily educated, but lets face it he is not the one most of us are hunting.
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 30, 2018, 08:45:48 AM
I think some are giving these critters to much credit. most of us are hunting the first legal elk that we find, and the 2.5 to 4.5 year old ones are the ones that we are getting. This age class of bull, although not dumb is fairly tough to educate to the point that they can't be called in while they are rutting. On more than one occasion  i have called the same bull in multiple times in the same season, it's all about finding one that is ready. Now on the other hand when we start talking about the older, and more mature animals they are very well educated, by life. The bull that lives long enough to become a solitary animal when not rutting, is the bull that is very easily educated, but lets face it he is not the one most of us are hunting.

So what you're saying is...  Sex-crazed males, no matter the species, can be readily lured into their own demise?
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: boneaddict on August 30, 2018, 08:59:02 AM
Just ask Tiger Woods
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Matth on August 30, 2018, 09:03:11 AM
I think some are giving these critters to much credit. most of us are hunting the first legal elk that we find, and the 2.5 to 4.5 year old ones are the ones that we are getting. This age class of bull, although not dumb is fairly tough to educate to the point that they can't be called in while they are rutting. On more than one occasion  i have called the same bull in multiple times in the same season, it's all about finding one that is ready. Now on the other hand when we start talking about the older, and more mature animals they are very well educated, by life. The bull that lives long enough to become a solitary animal when not rutting, is the bull that is very easily educated, but lets face it he is not the one most of us are hunting.

So what you're saying is...  Sex-crazed males, no matter the species, can be readily lured into their own demise?
No different than an 18 year old boy vs a 50 year old man :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 30, 2018, 09:23:50 AM
I think some are giving these critters to much credit. most of us are hunting the first legal elk that we find, and the 2.5 to 4.5 year old ones are the ones that we are getting. This age class of bull, although not dumb is fairly tough to educate to the point that they can't be called in while they are rutting. On more than one occasion  i have called the same bull in multiple times in the same season, it's all about finding one that is ready. Now on the other hand when we start talking about the older, and more mature animals they are very well educated, by life. The bull that lives long enough to become a solitary animal when not rutting, is the bull that is very easily educated, but lets face it he is not the one most of us are hunting.

So what you're saying is...  Sex-crazed males, no matter the species, can be readily lured into their own demise?
No different than an 18 year old boy vs a 50 year old man :IBCOOL:

I think 18 vs 28 may be more accurate since we all tend to decline after 30.... "Regress" may be an elkier term :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: Matth on August 30, 2018, 10:26:08 AM
 
I think some are giving these critters to much credit. most of us are hunting the first legal elk that we find, and the 2.5 to 4.5 year old ones are the ones that we are getting. This age class of bull, although not dumb is fairly tough to educate to the point that they can't be called in while they are rutting. On more than one occasion  i have called the same bull in multiple times in the same season, it's all about finding one that is ready. Now on the other hand when we start talking about the older, and more mature animals they are very well educated, by life. The bull that lives long enough to become a solitary animal when not rutting, is the bull that is very easily educated, but lets face it he is not the one most of us are hunting.
:yeah:
So what you're saying is...  Sex-crazed males, no matter the species, can be readily lured into their own demise?
No different than an 18 year old boy vs a 50 year old man :IBCOOL:

I think 18 vs 28 may be more accurate since we all tend to decline after 30.... "Regress" may be an elkier term :chuckle:
Title: Re: Calling elk early
Post by: bowkid on September 11, 2018, 06:13:25 PM
Call once no answer, don't call again... These are VERY SMART critters!
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