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Title: Stay tuned folks this one is just developing.
Post by: PA BEN on September 06, 2018, 06:09:02 AM
From my district representative's FB page Joel Kretz.
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Post by: Jonathan_S on September 06, 2018, 06:23:01 AM
Tagging.
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Post by: nwwanderer on September 06, 2018, 06:57:48 AM
Thanks
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Post by: bobcat on September 06, 2018, 08:00:03 AM
It's hard time get worked up over this kind of news, as it's simply going to happen on a regular basis. Wolves have to eat, and they eat whatever they can kill. The only real solution is to get rid of the cattle, or get rid of the wolves. Seems that people 100 years ago did what needed to be done. I hate seeing all the money being wasted on this issue when ranchers would probably take care of the problem at no cost to taxpayers if the state and federal government would stay out of it.
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Post by: wolfbait on September 06, 2018, 08:23:30 AM
It's hard time get worked up over this kind of news, as it's simply going to happen on a regular basis. Wolves have to eat, and they eat whatever they can kill. The only real solution is to get rid of the cattle, or get rid of the wolves. Seems that people 100 years ago did what needed to be done. I hate seeing all the money being wasted on this issue when ranchers would probably take care of the problem at no cost to taxpayers if the state and federal government would stay out of it.

But that would ruin the agenda, wolves are being used to shut hunting down and drive livestock producers off public lands.
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Post by: KFhunter on September 06, 2018, 08:31:11 AM
It's hard time get worked up over this kind of news, as it's simply going to happen on a regular basis. Wolves have to eat, and they eat whatever they can kill. The only real solution is to get rid of the cattle, or get rid of the wolves. Seems that people 100 years ago did what needed to be done. I hate seeing all the money being wasted on this issue when ranchers would probably take care of the problem at no cost to taxpayers if the state and federal government would stay out of it.


The government is the only ones who can manage the wolves today, and at great cost to the taxpayer.

Without poison and foothold traps the ranchers will never be able to manage them.
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Post by: bearpaw on September 06, 2018, 09:01:51 AM
I would expect to see new legislation from Joel and the rest of our NE legislators. The problem is getting help from the rest of the state's legislators!  :bash:
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Post by: KFhunter on September 06, 2018, 09:40:45 AM
maybe after Nov 6  :chuckle:

I don't expect Lisa Brown would do much for ranchers in regards to wolves
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Post by: wolfbait on September 06, 2018, 09:48:13 AM
Don't worry CNW and WDF&Wolves are there to help..

16+ years of wolves in WA and according to WDF&Wolves data wolves have not impacted the game herds.
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 06, 2018, 09:58:10 AM
I would expect to see new legislation from Joel and the rest of our NE legislators. The problem is getting help from the rest of the state's legislators!  :bash:

Yep.
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Post by: bhawley76 on September 06, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
 :mgun: :mgun: SSS
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Post by: bowhunterforever on September 06, 2018, 11:08:36 AM
Tagging
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Post by: PA BEN on September 06, 2018, 06:38:12 PM
Goes to show you that you can wipe out a pack of wolves and they still come back. AND still like the taste of cattle. 
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Post by: PA BEN on September 08, 2018, 06:41:08 AM
 :bash:
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Post by: Tbar on September 08, 2018, 08:24:48 AM
:bash:
It's too bad the wolf lovers have latched on to his thoughts and are using it to further their agenda. 
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Post by: baldopepper on September 08, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
Unfortunately the wolf issue in this state falls under that "if you're for it, I'm against it" blanket that has our country so divided these days. I'm frequently asked by friends who know I have a home on the eastside what I think about the wolf issue. Most are sympatic and admit they really don't have a strong opinion about it, but, depending on their politics, they are automatically for or against more aggressive action. It's sad that we've allowed a vocal, name calling minority on both sides take over these types of issues. I don't know how we get the majority of the westside voters to understand the problem, but I know the name calling and bone headed conspiracy theories only drive the wedge deeper. No easy answers, but a little more listening and less name calling might be a start
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Post by: PA BEN on September 08, 2018, 09:48:43 AM
 :bash:
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Post by: wolfbait on September 08, 2018, 10:19:42 AM
:bash:

Ranchers etc. with wolf problems need to get the wolf recipes going, WDFW/CNW etc. created the predation problem with their promotion and protection of wolves, and then knowing what other states had gone through, gave WA the worst wolf plan of any state to date. At the first sign of wolves ranchers need to implement their own wolf control methods. :twocents:

Washington will not get any wolf control except what comes from the public.

The finding "middle ground" is just more BS from WDFW and fake environmental groups.
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Post by: wolfbait on September 09, 2018, 08:38:36 AM
Published on September 7, 2018 9:44AM
Last changed on September 7, 2018 3:17PM

Wolves attack more calves in northeast Washington

http://www.capitalpress.com/Livestock/20180907/wolves-attack-more-calves-in-northeast-washington



Tue., July 25, 2017, 4:54 p.m.

Wolves from two packs kill calves in northeastern Washington


http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2017/jul/25/wolves-two-packs-kill-calves-northeastern-washington/



Thu., Sept. 29, 2016, 12:05 p.m.

Wolves kill more cattle in northeastern Washington


http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2016/sep/29/wolves-kill-more-cattle-northeastern-washington/



Aug. 8, 2012 3:04 a.m
Washington's First Lethal Removal Of Wolves

https://www.opb.org/news/blog/ecotrope/washingtons-first-lethal-removal-of-wolves/

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Post by: timberfaller on September 09, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
"The finding "middle ground" is just more BS from WDFW and fake environmental groups."

 :tup: Their hands and brains are tied!!!
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Post by: wolfbait on September 10, 2018, 12:10:22 PM
"The finding "middle ground" is just more BS from WDFW and fake environmental groups."

 :tup: Their hands and brains are tied!!!

Middle ground for starters would be open season on wolves, 16 years worth of lies from WDFW etc..
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Post by: Ridgeratt on September 11, 2018, 05:09:20 AM
Yesterdays Spokesman article

http://www.khq.com/story/39062232/state-says-wolves-attacked-5-calves-in-ferry-county


SPOKANE, Wash. -
The state of Washington says wolves attacked at least five calves in Ferry County last week, killing one and injuring four.
 
The attacks occurred Wednesday through Friday in an area once occupied by the Profanity Peak wolf pack, which was wiped out last year.
 
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife says it is studying the latest attacks and weighing non-lethal ways to prevent future wolf attacks.
 
Agency director Kelly Susewind says the situation is evolving quickly. The state estimates the pack has three or four adults and two or three pups.
 
Wolves were wiped out in Washington early in the last century, but returned to the state early this century from neighboring areas. Most of the wolves are located in northeastern Washington, where there have been conflicts with ranchers.


Perhaps it should have said Wiped at
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Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on September 11, 2018, 06:46:09 AM
 And they just told us the wolf population has not been growing????
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Post by: PA BEN on September 11, 2018, 07:05:27 AM
http://www.capitalpress.com/Livestock/20180910/five-calves-attacked-by-new-washington-wolfpack
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Post by: bearpaw on September 11, 2018, 07:19:21 AM
http://www.capitalpress.com/Livestock/20180910/five-calves-attacked-by-new-washington-wolfpack

My source said the pack that attacked this calf was the Togo Pack. This calf had to be destroyed!
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 11, 2018, 07:51:39 AM
Sad day when CNW, the antis, control your right to protect yourself and your animals. You can see that they do not care about anything. except living off of your taxpayers dime........
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Post by: wolfbait on September 11, 2018, 08:46:48 AM
Yesterdays Spokesman article

http://www.khq.com/story/39062232/state-says-wolves-attacked-5-calves-in-ferry-county


SPOKANE, Wash. -
The state of Washington says wolves attacked at least five calves in Ferry County last week, killing one and injuring four.
 
The attacks occurred Wednesday through Friday in an area once occupied by the Profanity Peak wolf pack, which was wiped out last year.
 
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife says it is studying the latest attacks and weighing non-lethal ways to prevent future wolf attacks.
 
Agency director Kelly Susewind says the situation is evolving quickly. The state estimates the pack has three or four adults and two or three pups.
 
Wolves were wiped out in Washington early in the last century, but returned to the state early this century from neighboring areas. Most of the wolves are located in northeastern Washington, where there have been conflicts with ranchers.


Perhaps it should have said Wiped at

Thanks for Posting the Pictures, Dale..


"The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife says it is studying the latest attacks and weighing non-lethal ways to prevent future wolf attacks."

The rancher can expect more of his cattle going to wolves as WDFW screw around some more, non-lethal methods have never worked.

Where is CNW and their famous range riders? Or their call for culling the pack? My guess is WDFW and CNW are waiting for another lawsuit from their partners to stop any control before coming out in favor of culling wolves.

Every time I see this I hate it, not sure which I hate the most, the dirty wolves or the dirty bunch that are responsible for uncontrolled wolves in WA. :bash: :bash: :bash:
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Post by: bearpaw on September 11, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
Washington wolf management is insanity at the highest level, what sort of idiot can possibly think that wolves that attacked 5 cattle in such short order will suddenly forever quit attacking cattle? 

:bash:


@DOUBLELUNG
THIS IS A SPECIFIC CASE IN POINT WHY WDFW MANAGEMENT IS VIEWED SO POORLY!
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Post by: 2MANY on September 11, 2018, 09:00:00 AM
It's not even the time of year when they are burning calories yet.
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Post by: wolfbait on September 11, 2018, 09:38:43 AM
It's not even the time of year when they are burning calories yet.

Pup training time, and cows etc. are easy prey for pups to practice on..
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Post by: wolfbait on September 11, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
Yesterdays Spokesman article

http://www.khq.com/story/39062232/state-says-wolves-attacked-5-calves-in-ferry-county


SPOKANE, Wash. -
The state of Washington says wolves attacked at least five calves in Ferry County last week, killing one and injuring four.
 
The attacks occurred Wednesday through Friday in an area once occupied by the Profanity Peak wolf pack, which was wiped out last year.
 
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife says it is studying the latest attacks and weighing non-lethal ways to prevent future wolf attacks.
 
Agency director Kelly Susewind says the situation is evolving quickly. The state estimates the pack has three or four adults and two or three pups.
 
Wolves were wiped out in Washington early in the last century, but returned to the state early this century from neighboring areas. Most of the wolves are located in northeastern Washington, where there have been conflicts with ranchers.


Perhaps it should have said Wiped at

Thanks for Posting the Pictures, Dale..


"The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife says it is studying the latest attacks and weighing non-lethal ways to prevent future wolf attacks."

The rancher can expect more of his cattle going to wolves as WDFW screw around some more, non-lethal methods have never worked.

Where is CNW and their famous range riders? Or their call for culling the pack? My guess is WDFW and CNW are waiting for another lawsuit from their partners to stop any control before coming out in favor of culling wolves.

Every time I see this I hate it, not sure which I hate the most, the dirty wolves or the dirty bunch that are responsible for uncontrolled wolves in WA. :bash: :bash: :bash:

"As of Monday morning, the department had not given notice that it intends to cull the pack. The department has agreed to give environmental groups one business day’s notice to allow them to seek a temporary restraining order."


http://www.capitalpress.com/Livestock/20180910/five-calves-attacked-by-new-washington-wolfpack


 
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Title: Re: Stay tuned folks this one is just developing.
Post by: PA BEN on September 14, 2018, 05:19:09 AM
http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20180912/cattle-losses-climb-as-washington-wolfpack-attacks#.W5umkv4w5KJ.facebook
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Post by: CGDucksandDeer on September 14, 2018, 10:20:08 AM
Today's gonna get interesting.

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/friday-will-be-an-active-day-in-washingtons-wolf-world/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/friday-will-be-an-active-day-in-washingtons-wolf-world/)
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Post by: wolfbait on September 17, 2018, 07:57:30 AM
Without culling the entire pack the slaughter will continue

Washington judge lets Fish and Wildlife target wolfpack

http://www.capitalpress.com/Livestock/20180914/washington-judge-lets-fish-and-wildlife-target-wolfpack
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Post by: nwwanderer on September 17, 2018, 03:13:48 PM
I see no gain in targeting one pack, looks like several overlap the region.  Simply providing space and opportunity for the next bunch.  Get them delisted, fed and state, and give them the same status as a coyote.  Pay for kills quickly and completely and stop throwing $$$$$$ at them.  The bottom line would be a fraction of current spending.
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