Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 18, 2018, 01:20:16 PM
Hate paying for extended warranty but looks like its a necessity nowadays.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 18, 2018, 01:30:43 PM
Post by: slowhand on September 18, 2018, 01:31:51 PM
Well loved my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel for 110,000 miles but made mistake of keeping it past warranty. High pressure fuel pump took a dump and metal shavings contaminated whole fuel system, tank etc to tune of $13,000 :o. Guess F150 uses same pump. I won’t be driving a diesel outside warranty anymore. Happened to the Cummins a bit couple years ago too I guess. They had an $8500 repair kit to fix it.Ouch! :yike:
Hate paying for extended warranty but looks like its a necessity nowadays.
I sure hope My 6.7L Powerstroke lasts longer than that.
So far from what I have read it's pretty bullet proof :whoo:
Post by: jackelope on September 18, 2018, 02:12:17 PM
No chance DEF got in the fuel?
This screams fuel contamination.
I bet the pump failed for a different reason at least.
Post by: jackelope on September 18, 2018, 02:14:42 PM
Well loved my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel for 110,000 miles but made mistake of keeping it past warranty. High pressure fuel pump took a dump and metal shavings contaminated whole fuel system, tank etc to tune of $13,000 :o. Guess F150 uses same pump. I won’t be driving a diesel outside warranty anymore. Happened to the Cummins a bit couple years ago too I guess. They had an $8500 repair kit to fix it.Ouch! :yike:
Hate paying for extended warranty but looks like its a necessity nowadays.
I sure hope My 6.7L Powerstroke lasts longer than that.
So far from what I have read it's pretty bullet proof :whoo:
I've seen a crap ton of 6.7's and the only ones that have ever needed a HP pump replaced have been because of fuel contamination. It's about a $10k repair.
Post by: baker5150 on September 18, 2018, 02:59:21 PM
No chance DEF got in the fuel?
This screams fuel contamination.
I bet the pump failed for a different reason at least.
:yeah:
Good filters are cheap.
Post by: Mudman on September 18, 2018, 03:10:14 PM
Post by: slowhand on September 18, 2018, 03:19:35 PM
Love my Ol cummins. Can see and name every major part under hood. No emisions. 400hp or 500 flip of a switch. Just saying old isn't bad... Prices they are charging now man o man.What's Your fuel mileage on that dinosaur?
Post by: Mudman on September 18, 2018, 03:28:03 PM
Post by: slowhand on September 18, 2018, 03:32:30 PM
6 speed so 55mph its good, 16-19. Work trailers around 14-15. To Idaho mnts with 9000lb toyhauler at 72mph was 11mpg. Pulled Vantage at 72 in 6 gear cruise control 1250 egt's. 100hp tune. 36psi boost, coolant 215degrees. Hand calc. Lie meter claims 14mpg. :chuckle:Not bad at all. I second guess buying My 2015 power stroke all the time because of the cost. but so far it's been almost flawless. I know its still a baby with only 32K on the clock but so far so good. Also the Fords look so much better than the Dodges.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 18, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
6 speed so 55mph its good, 16-19. Work trailers around 14-15. To Idaho mnts with 9000lb toyhauler at 72mph was 11mpg. Pulled Vantage at 72 in 6 gear cruise control 1250 egt's. 100hp tune. 36psi boost, coolant 215degrees. Hand calc. Lie meter claims 14mpg. :chuckle:Not bad at all. I second guess buying My 2015 power stroke all the time because of the cost. but so far it's been almost flawless. I know its still a baby with only 32K on the clock but so far so good. Also the Fords look so much better than the Dodges.
Blasphemy!
:chuckle:
Post by: baker5150 on September 18, 2018, 04:10:53 PM
6 speed so 55mph its good, 16-19. Work trailers around 14-15. To Idaho mnts with 9000lb toyhauler at 72mph was 11mpg. Pulled Vantage at 72 in 6 gear cruise control 1250 egt's. 100hp tune. 36psi boost, coolant 215degrees. Hand calc. Lie meter claims 14mpg. :chuckle:
What axle gears? Seams like it should be better.
I haul a 11k TT and hand calc 17 in my 06 auto doing 65 to 70 to Montana and back once a year.
I tow in level 2 on the EFI switch, about 50hp.
Post by: jackelope on September 18, 2018, 04:12:49 PM
Love my Ol cummins. Can see and name every major part under hood. No emisions. 400hp or 500 flip of a switch. Just saying old isn't bad... Prices they are charging now man o man.
Fuel contamination will ruin your pump too and it would be super expensive to fix also. This has nothing to do with emissions.
Post by: Mudman on September 18, 2018, 04:14:34 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 18, 2018, 04:17:33 PM
Post by: Mudman on September 18, 2018, 04:21:16 PM
373 I think. My 05 auto did better. Its a low geared beast. RPM around 2300 at 73mph. This 6 speed likes 60mph best mpg. I will say wind is big factor with ToyHaulers. We had lot weight in bed but who doesn't. I was running EFI from Anarchy level 3 stage 2 tunes. It wants more turbo but I don't need it. Think truck has 50-90hp injectors but I cannot verify without pulling n flow testing them. Yes Jackelope, I know and agree. I distracted forgot mention Airdog 165G fuel filter and water sep. kit on truck. Dirty FUEL is #1 danger to these diesels!!! Put Filters on em everyone!!!6 speed so 55mph its good, 16-19. Work trailers around 14-15. To Idaho mnts with 9000lb toyhauler at 72mph was 11mpg. Pulled Vantage at 72 in 6 gear cruise control 1250 egt's. 100hp tune. 36psi boost, coolant 215degrees. Hand calc. Lie meter claims 14mpg. :chuckle:
What axle gears? Seams like it should be better.
I haul a 11k TT and hand calc 17 in my 06 auto doing 65 to 70 to Montana and back once a year.
I tow in level 2 on the EFI switch, about 50hp.
Post by: Mudman on September 18, 2018, 04:25:12 PM
Hhhmmm:chuckle: Didn't you have a 7.3 Ford too? One of the best engines imop. Mine liked 2100rpm..
Post by: baker5150 on September 18, 2018, 04:27:09 PM
373 I think. My 05 auto did better. Its a low geared beast. RPM around 2300 at 73mph. This 6 speed likes 60mph best mpg. I will say wind is big factor with ToyHaulers. We had lot weight in bed but who doesn't. I was running EFI from Anarchy level 3 stage 2 tunes. It wants more turbo but I don't need it. Think truck has 50-90hp injectors but I cannot verify without pulling n flow testing them. Yes Jackelope, I know and agree. I distracted forgot mention Airdog 165G fuel filter and water sep. kit on truck. Dirty FUEL is #1 danger to these diesels!!! Put Filters on em everyone!!!6 speed so 55mph its good, 16-19. Work trailers around 14-15. To Idaho mnts with 9000lb toyhauler at 72mph was 11mpg. Pulled Vantage at 72 in 6 gear cruise control 1250 egt's. 100hp tune. 36psi boost, coolant 215degrees. Hand calc. Lie meter claims 14mpg. :chuckle:
What axle gears? Seams like it should be better.
I haul a 11k TT and hand calc 17 in my 06 auto doing 65 to 70 to Montana and back once a year.
I tow in level 2 on the EFI switch, about 50hp.
1 ton? Could be 410's I have 373 as well, 3/4 ton.
Amazon has CAT 2 micron filter kits for $100 or less on most model diesel pickups.
The filters alone are only $25.
VERY cheap insurance.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 18, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
And don't get DEF in the fuel, not a filter in the world that will save you from what that does. :tup:373 I think. My 05 auto did better. Its a low geared beast. RPM around 2300 at 73mph. This 6 speed likes 60mph best mpg. I will say wind is big factor with ToyHaulers. We had lot weight in bed but who doesn't. I was running EFI from Anarchy level 3 stage 2 tunes. It wants more turbo but I don't need it. Think truck has 50-90hp injectors but I cannot verify without pulling n flow testing them. Yes Jackelope, I know and agree. I distracted forgot mention Airdog 165G fuel filter and water sep. kit on truck. Dirty FUEL is #1 danger to these diesels!!! Put Filters on em everyone!!!6 speed so 55mph its good, 16-19. Work trailers around 14-15. To Idaho mnts with 9000lb toyhauler at 72mph was 11mpg. Pulled Vantage at 72 in 6 gear cruise control 1250 egt's. 100hp tune. 36psi boost, coolant 215degrees. Hand calc. Lie meter claims 14mpg. :chuckle:
What axle gears? Seams like it should be better.
I haul a 11k TT and hand calc 17 in my 06 auto doing 65 to 70 to Montana and back once a year.
I tow in level 2 on the EFI switch, about 50hp.
Post by: jackelope on September 18, 2018, 04:34:39 PM
Lady declined fixing it and took it home. She’ll be back on the hook.
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Post by: Mudman on September 18, 2018, 04:36:36 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on September 18, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Last fuel contamination issue we had here. This drained from the fuel filter housing. 6.7L powerstroke. I’d love to see what is in the tank. She said she got a little DEF splashed into the fuel filler. Really I doubt this is DEF contamination.:yike:
Lady declined fixing it and took it home. She’ll be back on the hook.
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 18, 2018, 07:01:17 PM
And fuel filter was due to be changed.
Post by: Special T on September 18, 2018, 07:11:09 PM
My bone stock 2wd dually gets 18-20 on the highway. As much weight as I can pack below the cab. I have slightly larger tires that keeps the rpms down to 1800 at 68 ish mph. Wont replace my 03 0r 05 just rebuild them.Love my Ol cummins. Can see and name every major part under hood. No emisions. 400hp or 500 flip of a switch. Just saying old isn't bad... Prices they are charging now man o man.What's Your fuel mileage on that dinosaur?
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Post by: Special T on September 18, 2018, 07:12:32 PM
No chance of putting DEF anywhere near it tho!Love my Ol cummins. Can see and name every major part under hood. No emisions. 400hp or 500 flip of a switch. Just saying old isn't bad... Prices they are charging now man o man.
Fuel contamination will ruin your pump too and it would be super expensive to fix also. This has nothing to do with emissions.
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Post by: Special T on September 18, 2018, 07:14:17 PM
Best investment a guy can make is that 2 micron secondary filter!373 I think. My 05 auto did better. Its a low geared beast. RPM around 2300 at 73mph. This 6 speed likes 60mph best mpg. I will say wind is big factor with ToyHaulers. We had lot weight in bed but who doesn't. I was running EFI from Anarchy level 3 stage 2 tunes. It wants more turbo but I don't need it. Think truck has 50-90hp injectors but I cannot verify without pulling n flow testing them. Yes Jackelope, I know and agree. I distracted forgot mention Airdog 165G fuel filter and water sep. kit on truck. Dirty FUEL is #1 danger to these diesels!!! Put Filters on em everyone!!!6 speed so 55mph its good, 16-19. Work trailers around 14-15. To Idaho mnts with 9000lb toyhauler at 72mph was 11mpg. Pulled Vantage at 72 in 6 gear cruise control 1250 egt's. 100hp tune. 36psi boost, coolant 215degrees. Hand calc. Lie meter claims 14mpg. :chuckle:
What axle gears? Seams like it should be better.
I haul a 11k TT and hand calc 17 in my 06 auto doing 65 to 70 to Montana and back once a year.
I tow in level 2 on the EFI switch, about 50hp.
1 ton? Could be 410's I have 373 as well, 3/4 ton.
Amazon has CAT 2 micron filter kits for $100 or less on most model diesel pickups.
The filters alone are only $25.
VERY cheap insurance.
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Post by: Special T on September 18, 2018, 07:16:11 PM
Last fuel contamination issue we had here. This drained from the fuel filter housing. 6.7L powerstroke. I’d love to see what is in the tank. She said she got a little DEF splashed into the fuel filler. Really I doubt this is DEF contamination.What is that dark stuff? I've never seen Def fluid, is it dark?
Lady declined fixing it and took it home. She’ll be back on the hook.
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Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 11:56:47 AM
Could be fuel issue. Acted lil funny. Put in 5 gal diesel from same nozzle it had been filled from and it went bad shortly after. Maybe container got something dumped in it.
And fuel filter was due to be changed.
Did they pull a fuel sample? Usually should be step 1. No sense in fixing anything without at least knowing what’s in the tank.
Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 11:57:27 AM
Last fuel contamination issue we had here. This drained from the fuel filter housing. 6.7L powerstroke. I’d love to see what is in the tank. She said she got a little DEF splashed into the fuel filler. Really I doubt this is DEF contamination.What is that dark stuff? I've never seen Def fluid, is it dark?
Lady declined fixing it and took it home. She’ll be back on the hook.
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DEF is clear. That’s not DEF. Its whatever is in the lady’s fuel tank.
Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 12:00:21 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 19, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
Or are they both unknowns?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 19, 2018, 12:18:44 PM
Did they pull a fuel sample? Usually should be step 1. No sense in fixing anything without at least knowing what’s in the tank.
Not sure, when I replaced filter it looked like pure diesel coming out of drain. I got a decent trade-in on it as-is so drove home yesterday with a new one WITH an extended warranty. They are going to replace the fuel system and tank and hope there is no engine damage they said but who knows - they may just clean the screen and auction it off
Post by: bearpaw on September 19, 2018, 12:26:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 12:46:17 PM
I’m not a deisel guy but is the green fluid floating above the dark deisel?
Or are they both unknowns?
The stuff on top is diesel fuel. The stuff on the bottom is unknown.
Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
Did they pull a fuel sample? Usually should be step 1. No sense in fixing anything without at least knowing what’s in the tank.
Not sure, when I replaced filter it looked like pure diesel coming out of drain. I got a decent trade-in on it as-is so drove home yesterday with a new one WITH an extended warranty. They are going to replace the fuel system and tank and hope there is no engine damage they said but who knows - they may just clean the screen and auction it off
Without a fuel sample, their diagnosis is pointless. Guess it doesn't matter at this point. I'd be willing to bet that problem wouldn't be covered under any warranty unless a fuel sample was pulled and shown to not be the cause.
What are some of the more common contaminants to get in a diesel fuel tank? Just wanting to know what to look out for? I'm running a 2005 Dodge 5.9 and a 2003 Ford 7.3.
The most common thing I've seen is gas. DEF, water, gas, and then the folks who don't know. Maybe bad fuel from a pump but that's super rare. More than anything it's gas. I had a construction company truck from the guys building the new 520 bridge that filled the same truck up with gasoline twice from the gas station. Almost $19k in repairs.
Post by: Mudman on September 19, 2018, 01:23:40 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 01:39:53 PM
Not that rare, it happened to me. Bacteria feed on fuel somehow. Bacteria poop builds sludge in tanks at stations. Reason there is a filter on pumps the big rigs use..
Oh yeah I've seen the bacteria thing too. Also in the older cab/chassis trucks we had the tanks delaminate on the inside. Crud from that clogs fuel filters, lack of fuel causes HP pump to fail. If it's a 6.7, replace the HP fuel system.
Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 01:42:30 PM
Not that rare, it happened to me. Bacteria feed on fuel somehow. Bacteria poop builds sludge in tanks at stations. Reason there is a filter on pumps the big rigs use..
If you mean fuel quality from the pump is not that rare, I can tell you that I see on average 50 vehicles a day through here and couldn't tell you the last time I had a verifiable actual fuel quality issue as in bad fuel from a gas station. I've had a maybe here and there, but that's about it.
Post by: slowhand on September 19, 2018, 01:50:27 PM
I work at a Toyota Dealer and would agree with this from the gas engine perspective.Not that rare, it happened to me. Bacteria feed on fuel somehow. Bacteria poop builds sludge in tanks at stations. Reason there is a filter on pumps the big rigs use..
If you mean fuel quality from the pump is not that rare, I can tell you that I see on average 50 vehicles a day through here and couldn't tell you the last time I had a verifiable actual fuel quality issue as in bad fuel from a gas station. I've had a maybe here and there, but that's about it.
Only know of a fuel station serving up water filled fuel once in 20 years of working on cars as a professional.
Everyone in the area was aware of it, and every shop in the area had one or more vehicles in for the concern.
Fuel station payed for all of them. $$$$$$
Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 05:40:52 PM
Not that rare, it happened to me. Bacteria feed on fuel somehow. Bacteria poop builds sludge in tanks at stations. Reason there is a filter on pumps the big rigs use..
Have you algae tested your fuel tank?
Post by: Mudman on September 19, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on September 19, 2018, 08:37:07 PM
No this was in 2007. I put fuel in, noticed it was very slow so stopped at 5 gallons. after about 15 miles I lost an injector it seemed. We drained 8 gallons from tank. Let bucket settle over night and 1/3 was milky slurry with chunks dunno. Took it to shop. They did full fuel system cleanse n confirmed cont. fuel. Then replaced 2 more inj after I did 2 before. Then claimed pcm was bad. Did that next. Then they claim uh oh dunno maybe pump? I tool to a Diesel specialty and had other 4 inj done plus re install first 4 as precaution. Ran perfect. I confronted store owner 2 days after fuel was bought and I had drained crap out of my tank. The Fuel techs had closed all diesel pumps and were cleaning them, told me it had been years since done. The owner tackled me and fight(He wasn't winning) was on. Police came gave me case # and took security cam tape as I requested. When I call Prosecuter they informed me this had never happened, no case no tape no records. Later found out Sherriff was buddy of store owner. over $5k spent and lucky I never saw the guy on dark dusty road. He was a crook and sold store soon after. So ya things do happen. Avoid back road low volume fuel stations and or run filter. Wish I had then but I didn't know better.
You can’t say you didn’t get your moneys worth on that tank of fuel! Lol.
Post by: Mudman on September 19, 2018, 09:14:21 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 19, 2018, 09:50:46 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 19, 2018, 09:52:19 PM
I was slacking on changing filter - may have contributed to problem.
How many miles since the last filter change?
Post by: bearpaw on September 20, 2018, 12:13:36 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on September 20, 2018, 12:26:16 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 20, 2018, 05:10:32 AM
Did last 2 oil changes myself and didnt do fuel filter so over 25,000 miles. Thats Assuming dealership did fuel filter when they serviced it.I was slacking on changing filter - may have contributed to problem.
How many miles since the last filter change?
Post by: Timberstalker on September 20, 2018, 05:39:42 AM
Post by: Sandberm on September 20, 2018, 06:00:58 AM
No this was in 2007. I put fuel in, noticed it was very slow so stopped at 5 gallons. after about 15 miles I lost an injector it seemed. We drained 8 gallons from tank. Let bucket settle over night and 1/3 was milky slurry with chunks dunno. Took it to shop. They did full fuel system cleanse n confirmed cont. fuel. Then replaced 2 more inj after I did 2 before. Then claimed pcm was bad. Did that next. Then they claim uh oh dunno maybe pump? I tool to a Diesel specialty and had other 4 inj done plus re install first 4 as precaution. Ran perfect. I confronted store owner 2 days after fuel was bought and I had drained crap out of my tank. The Fuel techs had closed all diesel pumps and were cleaning them, told me it had been years since done. The owner tackled me and fight(He wasn't winning) was on. Police came gave me case # and took security cam tape as I requested. When I call Prosecuter they informed me this had never happened, no case no tape no records. Later found out Sherriff was buddy of store owner. over $5k spent and lucky I never saw the guy on dark dusty road. He was a crook and sold store soon after. So ya things do happen. Avoid back road low volume fuel stations and or run filter. Wish I had then but I didn't know better.
Your story jogs my memory somewhat.
Seems the fuel dealers back around then were mixing biodiesel with regular diesel for some reason and thus there was algae growth and other problems in the fuel system due to the biodiesel. We dont have any diesel vehicles but of course all our tractors on the farm are diesel. When confronting the fuel salesmen his response was, "Well, it only effects older tractors" >:( Guess what fuel salesman, ALL OUR TRACTORS ARE OLD ACCORDING TO YOU!!!.
Off topic, nothing makes a guy feel more pissed/small then when an equipment/car dealership says your well maintained but not made in the past 7 years equipment is old and somehow gives you that look/feeling that you are a waste of his time because you are not a high roller. >:(
Post by: Magnum_Willys on September 20, 2018, 06:02:05 AM
If I was gonna bet, they didn’t do the fuel filter(s). It’s a $300 job from the dealer.:yike: I’ll have to look it up. Maybe only done once and had 60,000 on it....
Post by: 300rum on September 20, 2018, 06:12:49 AM
Some of you are putting an extra aftermarket fuel filter on?
Post by: rackattack on September 20, 2018, 06:31:30 AM
I like these type of topics, I always seem to learn something. How often should a fuel filter be changed?
Just had mine done at the dealer for $180. They recommend every other oil change, but I've always heard error on side of earlier than later.
Post by: jackelope on September 20, 2018, 07:14:12 AM
I like these type of topics, I always seem to learn something. How often should a fuel filter be changed?
Ford and Chrysler recommend every 15k miles. I imagine GM is the same thing.
We charge $199.95+tax to do them. They're real easy to DIY...a youtube video will explain it. I have a lot of folks that want them done sooner...anywhere from 10-15k miles.
Post by: jackelope on September 20, 2018, 07:15:40 AM
Let me try to get this straight...
Some of you are putting an extra aftermarket fuel filter on?
I think some of the guys who really get into this stuff are installing secondary remote fuel filter setup I believe.
Post by: Mudman on September 20, 2018, 07:29:14 AM
Post by: baker5150 on September 20, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Let me try to get this straight...
Some of you are putting an extra aftermarket fuel filter on?
I think some of the guys who really get into this stuff are installing secondary remote fuel filter setup I believe.
https://www.xtremediesel.com/xdp-cummins-cat-filter-adapter-xd232?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI093Tm-7J3QIVgb9kCh2itgHYEAQYASABEgJJq_D_BwE
Cheaper on Amazon IIRC
Replaces OEM filter with CAT 2 micron filter. NAPA filters also fit.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 20, 2018, 08:34:56 AM
So with the extended warranty that I think you were going to get on new rig would the problem be covered this time if you don't change the fuel filter as recommended or would you still be on the hook if you don't do the scheduled maintenance in a timely manner.Did last 2 oil changes myself and didnt do fuel filter so over 25,000 miles. Thats Assuming dealership did fuel filter when they serviced it.I was slacking on changing filter - may have contributed to problem.
How many miles since the last filter change?
I always do mine on time or within a hundred miles of schedule and have wondered if doing it outside of the schedule or not at all as in your case if it voids the coverage.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 20, 2018, 08:41:48 AM
If scheduled maintenance is not performed at proper interval, warranty coverage, factory or otherwise can be voided.So with the extended warranty that I think you were going to get on new rig would the problem be covered this time if you don't change the fuel filter as recommended or would you still be on the hook if you don't do the scheduled maintenance in a timely manner.Did last 2 oil changes myself and didnt do fuel filter so over 25,000 miles. Thats Assuming dealership did fuel filter when they serviced it.I was slacking on changing filter - may have contributed to problem.
How many miles since the last filter change?
I always do mine on time or within a hundred miles of schedule and have wondered if doing it outside of the schedule or not at all as in your case if it voids the coverage.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 20, 2018, 08:45:10 AM
I assume the "can" means that if I am close, like within 100 miles they would probably cover it. If I was say 5,000 miles or more past the scheduled interval they probably wouldn't.If scheduled maintenance is not performed at proper interval, warranty coverage, factory or otherwise can be voided.So with the extended warranty that I think you were going to get on new rig would the problem be covered this time if you don't change the fuel filter as recommended or would you still be on the hook if you don't do the scheduled maintenance in a timely manner.Did last 2 oil changes myself and didnt do fuel filter so over 25,000 miles. Thats Assuming dealership did fuel filter when they serviced it.I was slacking on changing filter - may have contributed to problem.
How many miles since the last filter change?
I always do mine on time or within a hundred miles of schedule and have wondered if doing it outside of the schedule or not at all as in your case if it voids the coverage.
Post by: Woodchuck on September 20, 2018, 08:49:09 AM
That is a fair statement based on my interaction with warranty companies. Always keep in mind that those companies are in business to make money, that means taking in more money than they pay out. :twocents:I assume the "can" means that if I am close, like within 100 miles they would probably cover it. If I was say 5,000 miles or more past the scheduled interval they probably wouldn't.If scheduled maintenance is not performed at proper interval, warranty coverage, factory or otherwise can be voided.So with the extended warranty that I think you were going to get on new rig would the problem be covered this time if you don't change the fuel filter as recommended or would you still be on the hook if you don't do the scheduled maintenance in a timely manner.Did last 2 oil changes myself and didnt do fuel filter so over 25,000 miles. Thats Assuming dealership did fuel filter when they serviced it.I was slacking on changing filter - may have contributed to problem.
How many miles since the last filter change?
I always do mine on time or within a hundred miles of schedule and have wondered if doing it outside of the schedule or not at all as in your case if it voids the coverage.
Post by: jackelope on September 20, 2018, 09:04:25 AM
The service contract company, be it from the manufacturer or an aftermarket company, has to be able to prove that the failure was caused by a lack of X...X being whatever you're saying is the cause of failure... In this case, they would have needed to prove that an extremely plugged up fuel filter caused a lack of fuel to the HP pump and that lack of lubrication caused the failure of the pump...sounds like it would be a no-brainer and I'd be willing to bet $1 that this would not have been a covered repair under the manufacturer's warranty or extended mechanical breakdown coverage. If the technician determined it was fuel contamination, they would need a fuel sample from the tank. Taking a fuel sample on a diesel truck with a drivability issue should be SOP.
Post by: floatinghat on September 20, 2018, 01:54:13 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 14, 2018, 02:25:49 PM
Ecodiesel fuel pump issues that can run up to $13,000 plus are typically not warranteed !!!! Be forewarned.
Post by: Special T on November 14, 2018, 02:41:07 PM
Update- My replacement Ecodiesel failed with similar fuel pump issue after 6 weeks - 4600 miles!! And NOT warrantees due to bad fuel they say! $6500 min and counting to repair. Note: Ecodiesel owners drain tank and put in fresh fuel before towing to dealer or they will deny your claim due to “bad fuel”. They have a bulletin spelling out the process its so frequent.
Ecodiesel fuel pump issues that can run up to $13,000 plus are typically not warranteed !!!! Be forewarned.
What was the issue with the "Bad Fuel"? Water? Grit?
Post by: slowhand on November 14, 2018, 03:20:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 03:27:01 PM
Update- My replacement Ecodiesel failed with similar fuel pump issue after 6 weeks - 4600 miles!! And NOT warrantees due to bad fuel they say! $6500 min and counting to repair. Note: Ecodiesel owners drain tank and put in fresh fuel before towing to dealer or they will deny your claim due to “bad fuel”. They have a bulletin spelling out the process its so frequent.
Ecodiesel fuel pump issues that can run up to $13,000 plus are typically not warranteed !!!! Be forewarned.
So you paid $13,000 to fix it last time and it’s screwed up again?
What was the original $13k repair and what are they saying it needs now? And why?
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 03:28:01 PM
Post by: baker5150 on November 14, 2018, 03:31:35 PM
If they’re saying bad fuel, I’d be asking for a fuel sample.
:yeah:
Prove it, and send the proof to my lawyer.
Post by: Woodchuck on November 14, 2018, 03:33:37 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 14, 2018, 03:36:52 PM
Fuel “separated” in their test. No other info. Of course Im in Colorado out of cell range during this and using Inreach to try to get rig ready for flying back to pickup for hunt with son in idaho. Less than ideal supervisory conditions.
Post by: slowhand on November 14, 2018, 03:40:14 PM
1st repair traded rig in for new one (dumb but was great rig otherwise). I asked for fuel sample - not saved. Have great case for reimbursement but how much will it cost to sue mfg, dealer, insurance co. and fuel co ? Unfortunately dealer said tank needs emptied and flushed, and you will be out $600 and on your way. Ok. Then they started finding all the fuel pump issues. Will be getting rid of it before driving it another mile.Smart man :tup:
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 03:46:35 PM
1st repair traded rig in for new one (dumb but was great rig otherwise). I asked for fuel sample - not saved. Have great case for reimbursement but how much will it cost to sue mfg, dealer, insurance co. and fuel co ? Unfortunately dealer said tank needs emptied and flushed, and you will be out $600 and on your way. Ok. Then they started finding all the fuel pump issues. Will be getting rid of it before driving it another mile.
Fuel “separated” in their test. No other info. Of course Im in Colorado out of cell range during this and using Inreach to try to get rig ready for flying back to pickup for hunt with son in idaho. Less than ideal supervisory conditions.
Tell them to send you pictures of the fuel sample. You'll get them eventually. If you got bad fuel, it's not a warrantable repair. It's really straight forward. Warranty is for manufacturer's defect. Not damage caused by an outside source. If you didn't get bad fuel, then it's b.s.
What dealer is this?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 14, 2018, 03:48:26 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 03:49:23 PM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 14, 2018, 03:59:25 PM
Post by: slowhand on November 14, 2018, 04:02:55 PM
I will not get fuel from any of the old crusty looking places out there. to much risk.
My truck has a range of 550+ miles between fill ups. I can be picky. :twocents:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 14, 2018, 04:08:14 PM
Post by: Wazukie on November 14, 2018, 04:15:50 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 14, 2018, 04:18:12 PM
Ill stick with my 98 ram 2500 24v cummins. :tup:We took my sons 92 2500 cummins 24hrs round trip to Idaho. No problems!
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 04:19:03 PM
Do they still have your truck? If they do, you can get another fuel sample and/or they can show you what they're talking about.
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 04:23:33 PM
Given that you will fill up 200 times in first 100k miles and bad fuel in any one of those will cost you $6k to $13k plus in unwarranteed repairs is just a crap shoot.
I don't want this to sound like I'm arguing with you, but I wrote up 4 diesel trucks today and I've worked for Ford for almost 6 years now. That equates to a crap ton of diesel trucks. I haven't done too many fuel contamination repairs that were specifically caused by bad fuel. Fuel contamination, yes...but bad fuel ... no.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 14, 2018, 04:27:01 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 04:35:50 PM
I agree with you Jackelope. 2 bad fuel failures to same person from different locations in 6 weeks? I say no but need lawyer to prove it.
Do you think the last one was bad fuel or no fuel filters replaced? Results would essentially be the same.
Post by: Mudman on November 14, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
Post by: Special T on November 14, 2018, 05:07:07 PM
I agree with you Jackelope. 2 bad fuel failures to same person from different locations in 6 weeks? I say no but need lawyer to prove it.
Do you think the last one was bad fuel or no fuel filters replaced? Results would essentially be the same.
Ive never thought to ask this question, but if you add a secondary fuel filter like i have with my 2 micron set up does that void the warranty?
i will say that i doubt most diesel guys change the filter and bleed the bowl as often as they should.
Post by: Mudman on November 14, 2018, 05:15:04 PM
Post by: Special T on November 14, 2018, 05:21:17 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 05:31:42 PM
I agree with you Jackelope. 2 bad fuel failures to same person from different locations in 6 weeks? I say no but need lawyer to prove it.
Do you think the last one was bad fuel or no fuel filters replaced? Results would essentially be the same.
Ive never thought to ask this question, but if you add a secondary fuel filter like i have with my 2 micron set up does that void the warranty?
i will say that i doubt most diesel guys change the filter and bleed the bowl as often as they should.
As far as I am aware, it would only void the warranty if it caused the failure. Nothing really automatically voids a warranty. You have to prove that the modification or whatever it is caused the failure. I can literally count on one hand how many times I have told somebody that something significant is not covered under warranty because of a modification.
Post by: Mudman on November 14, 2018, 06:44:56 PM
Post by: Special T on November 14, 2018, 07:20:49 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 14, 2018, 08:13:59 PM
Post by: jmscon on November 14, 2018, 08:20:52 PM
Post by: HuntandFish on November 14, 2018, 09:28:00 PM
My question for you techs on here, should I also change my HP pump as well? Or anything else you may recommend doing? I assume I have increased wear on the pump, any other thoughts? Just don’t want the pump failing and taking out my HP system...
Thanks guys!
H&F
Post by: Special T on November 14, 2018, 10:07:53 PM
Lots of aftermarket lift pumps are frame mounted. The stock one on my 03 didn't last very long. Fortunatly I didn't wipe my HP injector pump out. Only drove a few miles on it. Went to a stock in tank like my 05.
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 15, 2018, 05:36:15 AM
Sooooo.... I am not one of those guys that’s real big on maintenance. And never really open my owners manual all that much....but reading this thread has got me nervous! I have 80k on my 2013 f350 6.7 and have never changed the fuel filters...I mean, I drive a ford for a reason right? I will pick up the filters and change them tomorrow!!
My question for you techs on here, should I also change my HP pump as well? Or anything else you may recommend doing? I assume I have increased wear on the pump, any other thoughts? Just don’t want the pump failing and taking out my HP system...
Thanks guys!
H&F
Sooooo who changes your oil? I change my fuel filter every other oil change.
Post by: whacker1 on November 15, 2018, 06:08:05 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 15, 2018, 06:18:57 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 15, 2018, 07:25:59 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 15, 2018, 07:48:45 AM
This Ecodiesel only had 4700 total miles on it so fuel filter had not yet been changed. My next diesel will get the best aftermarket filter system I can find with visible bowl.
So did it have 4700 miles total, or 110,000 total when you had your first problems? :dunno:
Well loved my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel for 110,000 miles but made mistake of keeping it past warranty. High pressure fuel pump took a dump and metal shavings contaminated whole fuel system, tank etc to tune of $13,000 :o. Guess F150 uses same pump. I won’t be driving a diesel outside warranty anymore. Happened to the Cummins a bit couple years ago too I guess. They had an $8500 repair kit to fix it.
Hate paying for extended warranty but looks like its a necessity nowadays.
Post by: Sandberm on November 15, 2018, 08:02:28 AM
Ive been driving gas vehicles for 32 years and never had a "bad fuel" issue. What do they make these diesels out of that they need such pure fuel?
Post by: DeKuma on November 15, 2018, 08:15:24 AM
He had 110k on the first truck. Traded it in on another one and only got 4700 before that one had the problem. If I read his posts correctly anyways.This Ecodiesel only had 4700 total miles on it so fuel filter had not yet been changed. My next diesel will get the best aftermarket filter system I can find with visible bowl.
So did it have 4700 miles total, or 110,000 total when you had your first problems? :dunno:Well loved my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel for 110,000 miles but made mistake of keeping it past warranty. High pressure fuel pump took a dump and metal shavings contaminated whole fuel system, tank etc to tune of $13,000 :o. Guess F150 uses same pump. I won’t be driving a diesel outside warranty anymore. Happened to the Cummins a bit couple years ago too I guess. They had an $8500 repair kit to fix it.
Hate paying for extended warranty but looks like its a necessity nowadays.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 15, 2018, 08:36:24 AM
Post by: Mudman on November 15, 2018, 08:39:07 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2018, 08:57:39 AM
Yep first truck failed at 110,000. 2nd brand new truck failed in 6 weeks with 4700 miles. Dealer claims due to bad fuel so no warranty. Insurance Co says no proof of bad fuel saved so they won’t cover. Plus I’m out $3800 for extended warranty that is apparently worthless.
The new truck is already fixed or still at the shop?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 15, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2018, 09:49:25 AM
Still at shop. Hpfp cam bolt sheared motor needs to come apart. Maybe bolt caused problem? ( oh no bad fuel). Insurance adjuster inspecting but proving fuel contamination difficult.
Proving fuel contamination is not difficult.
Take fuel from tank and put it in a clear container. Let it sit. Watch it separate. There's a photo earlier in this thread. It's a little more severe than average, but you get the idea.
Not sure how a sheared bolt could not be warranty or how it could be caused by fuel contamination and/or bad fuel.
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2018, 09:53:51 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 15, 2018, 09:55:41 AM
Not sure why dealer works so hard to avoid warranty - maybe higher margin on customer paid repairs?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 15, 2018, 09:58:48 AM
Dealer didnt save fuel sample or take pic. Supposedly pump froze up, cam driving it attached by bolt that then bent and or sheared.nope. They dumped all of the fuel out of the tank? They would have to remove tank to dump it all.
Not sure why dealer works so hard to avoid warranty - maybe higher margin on customer paid repairs?
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2018, 10:02:40 AM
Dealer didnt save fuel sample or take pic. Supposedly pump froze up, cam driving it attached by bolt that then bent and or sheared.
Not sure why dealer works so hard to avoid warranty - maybe higher margin on customer paid repairs?
Nope. Major mechanical stuff, the dealer makes more money doing warranty repairs. I love doing warranty engines and transmission from a commission standpoint.
The truck is sitting there with fuel in the tank.. They can take another fuel sample. If they can't prove it, they can't say it's not warranty.
Post by: Special T on November 15, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
Post by: slowhand on November 15, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
You must not be a Tech? I am, and there is almost no warranty job that pays more then a customer pay job for the Techs. Warranty transmission 6.8hrs :bash: same job customer pay 12hrs :IBCOOL: . Maybe different for Your manufacture?Dealer didnt save fuel sample or take pic. Supposedly pump froze up, cam driving it attached by bolt that then bent and or sheared.
Not sure why dealer works so hard to avoid warranty - maybe higher margin on customer paid repairs?
Nope. Major mechanical stuff, the dealer makes more money doing warranty repairs. I love doing warranty engines and transmission from a commission standpoint.
The truck is sitting there with fuel in the tank.. They can take another fuel sample. If they can't prove it, they can't say it's not warranty.
Don't let them BS You. They have to provide proof that it's not a warranty repair if it's still under manufacture's warranty. Make that clear to them asap! As a Tech I know this and keep what ever evidence I find for this exact reason.
Trust Me when I say that the Guy (tech) working on the truck does not want it to go warranty. If it does He will make about half of what He would if You are paying the bill.
Post by: full choke on November 15, 2018, 10:33:33 AM
You must not be a Tech? I am, and there is almost no warranty job that pays more then a customer pay job for the Techs. Warranty transmission 6.8hrs :bash: same job customer pay 12hrs :IBCOOL: . Maybe different for Your manufacture?Dealer didnt save fuel sample or take pic. Supposedly pump froze up, cam driving it attached by bolt that then bent and or sheared.
Not sure why dealer works so hard to avoid warranty - maybe higher margin on customer paid repairs?
Nope. Major mechanical stuff, the dealer makes more money doing warranty repairs. I love doing warranty engines and transmission from a commission standpoint.
The truck is sitting there with fuel in the tank.. They can take another fuel sample. If they can't prove it, they can't say it's not warranty.
Don't let them BS You. They have to provide proof that it's not a warranty repair if it's still under manufacture's warranty. Make that clear to them asap! As a Tech I know this and keep what ever evidence I find for this exact reason.
Trust Me when I say that the Guy (tech) working on the truck does not want it to go warranty. If it does He will make about half of what He would if You are paying the bill.
Why is a customer paid job booked for more hours than an insurance paid job???????
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 15, 2018, 10:34:39 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2018, 10:56:58 AM
You must not be a Tech? I am, and there is almost no warranty job that pays more then a customer pay job for the Techs. Warranty transmission 6.8hrs :bash: same job customer pay 12hrs :IBCOOL: . Maybe different for Your manufacture?Dealer didnt save fuel sample or take pic. Supposedly pump froze up, cam driving it attached by bolt that then bent and or sheared.
Not sure why dealer works so hard to avoid warranty - maybe higher margin on customer paid repairs?
Nope. Major mechanical stuff, the dealer makes more money doing warranty repairs. I love doing warranty engines and transmission from a commission standpoint.
The truck is sitting there with fuel in the tank.. They can take another fuel sample. If they can't prove it, they can't say it's not warranty.
Don't let them BS You. They have to provide proof that it's not a warranty repair if it's still under manufacture's warranty. Make that clear to them asap! As a Tech I know this and keep what ever evidence I find for this exact reason.
Trust Me when I say that the Guy (tech) working on the truck does not want it to go warranty. If it does He will make about half of what He would if You are paying the bill.
Ford calls it M time. I get all my techs' time covered all the time with stuff like engines and transmissions as long as they do their part, plus the markup on warranty powertrain components is a heck of a lot more than c-pay. Everyone benefits. (I don't think we have any transmission replacements that pay 12.0 either)
And I can't imagine why they don't have a fuel sample to show proof of their claim. Getting rid of it is a dumb rookie move, but the truck is still there presumably with fuel still in the tank.
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2018, 10:59:26 AM
You must not be a Tech? I am, and there is almost no warranty job that pays more then a customer pay job for the Techs. Warranty transmission 6.8hrs :bash: same job customer pay 12hrs :IBCOOL: . Maybe different for Your manufacture?Dealer didnt save fuel sample or take pic. Supposedly pump froze up, cam driving it attached by bolt that then bent and or sheared.
Not sure why dealer works so hard to avoid warranty - maybe higher margin on customer paid repairs?
Nope. Major mechanical stuff, the dealer makes more money doing warranty repairs. I love doing warranty engines and transmission from a commission standpoint.
The truck is sitting there with fuel in the tank.. They can take another fuel sample. If they can't prove it, they can't say it's not warranty.
Don't let them BS You. They have to provide proof that it's not a warranty repair if it's still under manufacture's warranty. Make that clear to them asap! As a Tech I know this and keep what ever evidence I find for this exact reason.
Trust Me when I say that the Guy (tech) working on the truck does not want it to go warranty. If it does He will make about half of what He would if You are paying the bill.
Why is a customer paid job booked for more hours than an insurance paid job???????
CUSTOMER pay and INSURANCE pay should be the same. Warranty pays less to the technician at a lower rate per hour to the dealer.
Post by: slowhand on November 15, 2018, 11:21:59 AM
From My experience as a Master Tech for 22years
Warranty- only what the op code says no more no less. possible Z time for something rare.
Insurance- only what the labor guide says (Alldata, Mitchel, shopkey, no Diag time will be payed. They dictate the repair. what parts (used, aftermarket) what they will pay (documented labor guide only) no extras. My dealer will not charge the customer any more then the deductible amount.
customer pay- what ever we write the est. at.
I am sure all dealers are not the same this is just My experience.
Point being that every dealer tech want's the repair to be a customer pay repair. :hello:
Ok back to Hunting Thoughts :sry:
Post by: full choke on November 15, 2018, 11:24:43 AM
You must not be a Tech? I am, and there is almost no warranty job that pays more then a customer pay job for the Techs. Warranty transmission 6.8hrs :bash: same job customer pay 12hrs :IBCOOL: . Maybe different for Your manufacture?Dealer didnt save fuel sample or take pic. Supposedly pump froze up, cam driving it attached by bolt that then bent and or sheared.
Not sure why dealer works so hard to avoid warranty - maybe higher margin on customer paid repairs?
Nope. Major mechanical stuff, the dealer makes more money doing warranty repairs. I love doing warranty engines and transmission from a commission standpoint.
The truck is sitting there with fuel in the tank.. They can take another fuel sample. If they can't prove it, they can't say it's not warranty.
Don't let them BS You. They have to provide proof that it's not a warranty repair if it's still under manufacture's warranty. Make that clear to them asap! As a Tech I know this and keep what ever evidence I find for this exact reason.
Trust Me when I say that the Guy (tech) working on the truck does not want it to go warranty. If it does He will make about half of what He would if You are paying the bill.
Why is a customer paid job booked for more hours than an insurance paid job???????
CUSTOMER pay and INSURANCE pay should be the same. Warranty pays less to the technician at a lower rate per hour to the dealer.
ok. I think I get it.
Post by: jackelope on November 15, 2018, 12:46:50 PM
I'm going to take a guess. Service advisor? :dunno:
From My experience as a Master Tech for 22years
Warranty- only what the op code says no more no less. possible Z time for something rare.
Insurance- only what the labor guide says (Alldata, Mitchel, shopkey, no Diag time will be payed. They dictate the repair. what parts (used, aftermarket) what they will pay (documented labor guide only) no extras. My dealer will not charge the customer any more then the deductible amount.
customer pay- what ever we write the est. at.
I am sure all dealers are not the same this is just My experience.
Point being that every dealer tech want's the repair to be a customer pay repair. :hello:
Ok back to Hunting Thoughts :sry:
I am an advisor, as much as I hate to admit, for longer than you've been a tech....but it pays the bills.
Sounds to me like your advisors need some training on how to get paid for work you guys do.
Sure, customer pay is better, but warranty shouldn't be a loser...especially on big stuff. Ford pays M time...as long as the tech shows they deserve it, they get paid. Good story, time run, etc. Not sure why you guys wouldn't get paid for diagnosis on anything. Especially not service contract or insurance work. That's a walk in the park.
Post by: slowhand on November 15, 2018, 12:57:03 PM
I have plans to turn to the "Dark side of the Force" (Advisor) when I get a bit older. Pay is close to the same and I think My body would appreciate it when I turn 50 or 55.
I think Ford and Toyota must have different ways of Doing things :(
I can't complain. I love My Job and the people I work with.
I can tell Your one of the good ones jackelope. We need more like You in this field. :tup:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 06, 2018, 08:15:16 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2018, 08:27:08 AM
Got rig back today - Final Tally $9600. Insurance paid half. None Waranteed due to supposed “fuel contamination”. Will have to goto small claims to try to get $5k back from one of the parties.
Did ya ever get that fuel sample?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 07, 2018, 08:43:35 AM
Post by: Matth on December 07, 2018, 08:54:53 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2018, 09:49:47 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 07, 2018, 10:04:58 AM
This whole thing is very strange. To me, it screams "there's more to the story". 2 identical trucks with the same problem in the span of 6 months?You and me both. Reading ecodiesel forums it sounds like its not uncommon and may be related to small singleStage filter used on them. They apparently have been replacing 25-40 engines per month which is 10 times the warranty replacement rate of cummins failures they say.
I know they have stopped making that motor for 2019.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 07, 2018, 10:09:15 AM
Good idea. I fueled at diesel island in high volume urban station. Would thought that as safe as any."High volume urban station" and you have the only two vehicles that had issues with the fuel?
I bought two new gas powered chevy trucks for work with custom racks. First truck showed up from the rack fabricator in California with the check engine light on. Took it back to chevy and one of the rocker arms had broke. Seemed odd but it was under warranty. Second truck was supposed to arrive 6 weeks later. It never made it, half way here the check engine light came on. Same issue, broken rocker arm. Again covered under warranty. Checked the googler and found post after post about others having the same issue, apparently it is a fairly common problem. I was thinking I was the most unlucky guy on the planet having two trucks with the same issue back to back. I was glad to find out there were plenty of others in the same boat.
It seems to me that you are actually the most unlucky guy on the face of the planet if you have had the same issue with two trucks and nobody else is having the issue. Someone else in the area has to be complaining if that station is pumping out bad diesel. Seems like you would have a strong case if you can get a couple other people having the same issue with that fuel station. If you are the only one to have an issue you might just get the award for the most unlucky guy in town.
Just saw your last reply. With it being a high volume station maybe there is someone else with that same motor that fueled up there.
Do the forums say that it is "marginal" fuel that the small filter can't handle the contaminants?
Post by: Matth on December 07, 2018, 01:01:37 PM
Post by: Matth on December 07, 2018, 01:09:44 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 07, 2018, 08:02:51 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 08, 2018, 06:13:19 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 08, 2018, 06:54:19 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 08, 2018, 07:07:24 AM
If there is documentation of a request for the fuel sample and the sample was discarded that should make your case stronger. Having just had this same issue a few months before I hope you made sure you were documenting everything this second time.
Of course its never as simple as one hopes. Dealer initially said just need to flush tank and I’ll be on my way. Then I’m off the grid in CO for a week and trying to monitor status via Inreach. And first truck failure nothing was mentioned about fuel just pump failure - I presume because it was out of warranty they didnt need excuse.
I hope to find notes in my inreach texts - good idea.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 23, 2018, 09:11:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2018, 07:06:18 AM
How do we get from a bad fuel pump to loose timing components and pistons smacking valves and broken rocker arms?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 24, 2018, 08:00:44 AM
Why tech did’t check screen in pump to confirm debris ???? They must have tried to turn by hand and assummed seized but those dont turn by hand when full of fluid I dont believe.
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2018, 08:38:35 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 24, 2018, 08:49:40 AM
Jackelope: Your comments and suggestions motivated me to dig into this further and contact oregon fuel standards dept. Big help. Thk you! :tup:
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2018, 09:00:33 AM
Happy to help. Didn't think I was helping but happy to hear it did.