Post by: Aeron on September 24, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
Card is back in, closed it back up, left it in the woods.
Post by: h20hunter on September 24, 2018, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 24, 2018, 07:06:39 PM
That being said, I have two out that I haven't been to since fall 2016 due to their location. Batteries are definitely dead but that'll happen when you don't have time to get back to them.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 24, 2018, 07:13:18 PM
Post by: Highhuntin on September 24, 2018, 07:13:48 PM
Post by: grundy53 on September 24, 2018, 07:18:23 PM
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Post by: HighlandLofts on September 24, 2018, 07:20:53 PM
Post by: Pinetar on September 24, 2018, 07:24:57 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on September 24, 2018, 07:26:33 PM
SIMPLE - If it doesn't belong to you, leave it alone.
:yeah: don't understand even checking the batteries or SD card.
Post by: JakeLand on September 24, 2018, 08:05:42 PM
Post by: buglebrush on September 24, 2018, 08:12:34 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 24, 2018, 09:38:27 PM
SIMPLE - If it doesn't belong to you, leave it alone.:yeah:
Post by: jamesfromseattle on September 24, 2018, 09:52:59 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2018, 09:59:37 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2018, 10:00:09 PM
June is not that long ago. I’d hardly call it abandoned.
Post by: bracer40 on September 24, 2018, 10:33:31 PM
Post by: bearpaw on September 24, 2018, 10:34:16 PM
I just checked one of my cameras that I hadn't checked since last November. The batteries were dead since July 3rd. It now has fresh batteries and a fresh sd card. It definitely wasn't abandoned. Even if it looked like it. I would leave the one you found alone. It's not yours.
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:yeah: Lots of guys are leaving cameras out year around, they check then once or twice a year and refresh them up like grundy. If it's not yours leave it be. :twocents:
Post by: Aeron on September 27, 2018, 03:39:07 PM
June isn't that long ago, I'd put new batteries in it and a new card and leave the Old one in the cam somewhere.
That's what I was thinking of doing....maybe someone will finally find it again and have some nice surprises on it.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 27, 2018, 04:08:45 PM
+2 for giving it a fresh set of batteries. :chuckle: 900 images might not mean a full card, depending on capacity and resolution. My 16Gb cards hold a heck of a lot more than that.
Post by: baker5150 on September 27, 2018, 04:19:54 PM
If it truly looks abandoned, as in for a years, you can always let the local LEO in charge of the area know about it. Let them decide if it should be removed or not.
Post by: Aeron on September 27, 2018, 05:01:00 PM
Leave it be
If it truly looks abandoned, as in for a years, you can always let the local LEO in charge of the area know about it. Let them decide if it should be removed or not.
Thats a good idea, it isnt exactly hurting anything just sitting there either.
Post by: solomtnhunter on September 29, 2018, 09:04:33 PM
Post by: Idighuntin on September 30, 2018, 03:30:11 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
Curious what kind of lock box you’re using?
Post by: LongBomb on September 30, 2018, 03:44:41 PM
Post by: Idighuntin on September 30, 2018, 04:16:59 PM
Post by: Alpine Mojo on September 30, 2018, 05:22:06 PM
If it's not yours don't touch it.
Post by: millerwheeler on December 14, 2018, 09:27:04 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on December 14, 2018, 09:33:07 PM
If it's not yours don't touch it.
That kind of logic and common sense has no place on the Internet :yike:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 14, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
Post by: Atroxus on December 14, 2018, 11:18:51 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
Post by: JWEBB on December 15, 2018, 12:34:41 AM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
Seriously? Yeah it his property! He knows where it is and he spent his hard earned money on it. Littering? Doubt it has caused any harm to the environment. Bottom line, don’t mess with someone’s cam. A lot of time and money is involved with many cams. I had a cam jacked last year and it was a very sickening experience. Scum of the earth in my opinion if you take someone’s cam. Month or 5 years not yours to touch
Post by: luckyman on December 15, 2018, 05:26:53 AM
Post by: grundy53 on December 15, 2018, 05:30:16 AM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 15, 2018, 05:45:33 AM
If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.Spoken like a thief thinks
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 15, 2018, 05:57:11 AM
If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.
Does the same apply for your base camp, spike camp, or truck parked at the trailhead.....??
Post by: Taco280AI on December 15, 2018, 10:23:14 AM
If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.
Same can be said for your truck when you park it on public land.
Or your deer, elk, boat... anything.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 15, 2018, 11:02:05 AM
If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.:nono:
First person to complain if it happens to them.
If it is not yours, hands off.
Period.
Karmas a bitch.
Post by: Axle on December 15, 2018, 11:19:24 AM
Anyway, he sure loved showing off the critters and he lived to hunt. I think he had the cams not far from Duvall and/or Sultan.
Post by: screedler on December 15, 2018, 11:36:08 AM
I had a buddy who has cams out. He passed away a few years ago. Had a heart attack while out riding his dirt bike. Those cams would have some serious moss by now. I'm sure a few guys on here knew him. Joe Nelson. Worked for Wesco. Everyone loved him (as far as I know).
Anyway, he sure loved showing off the critters and he lived to hunt. I think he had the cams not far from Duvall and/or Sultan.
Ghost cams, this brings an interesting twist to the discussion... not that I have any skin in the game! I wouldn't touch em if I didn't place em
To add some references to a regulation pertaining to leaving property in wilderness areas, i found the following:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5137394
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Caching or storing equipment, personal property, or supplies is prohibited (36 CFR 261.57(f)). Caching is defined to mean leaving equipment unattended for more than 48 hours.
Post by: Atroxus on December 15, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
Seriously? Yeah it his property! He knows where it is and he spent his hard earned money on it. Littering? Doubt it has caused any harm to the environment. Bottom line, don’t mess with someone’s cam. A lot of time and money is involved with many cams. I had a cam jacked last year and it was a very sickening experience. Scum of the earth in my opinion if you take someone’s cam. Month or 5 years not yours to touch
I never said anything about touching them. I said that in my opinion it is littering. I am also of the opinion that if you pack it in you should pack it out. I just can't see the justification for leaving cameras or other equipment unattended long-term on public land.
Post by: GoldenRing270 on December 15, 2018, 03:57:03 PM
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 15, 2018, 04:09:14 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
Seriously? Yeah it his property! He knows where it is and he spent his hard earned money on it. Littering? Doubt it has caused any harm to the environment. Bottom line, don’t mess with someone’s cam. A lot of time and money is involved with many cams. I had a cam jacked last year and it was a very sickening experience. Scum of the earth in my opinion if you take someone’s cam. Month or 5 years not yours to touch
I never said anything about touching them. I said that in my opinion it is littering. I am also of the opinion that if you pack it in you should pack it out. I just can't see the justification for leaving cameras or other equipment unattended long-term on public land.
I agree that at some point it does become litter. Regular use sure whatever, but it it were any other item being left in the woods unattended for years at a time people would throw a fit. I'm not speaking specifically of the cam in the OP, and I wouldn't ever take it upon myself to take one down but how is that any different than if somebody were leaving lock boxes full of camping gear chained to trees just incase they decide to come back and camp in a year or two.
Post by: luckyman on December 15, 2018, 05:09:55 PM
If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.Spoken like a thief thinks
Not at all. You take chances. lock your car up lock your house up, Hide your trail cam.
If you leave something laying around in public your'e fooling yourself to think it won't be messed with. Take the necessary steps. I don't lock up any of my cams and they don't get messed with. Don't place them where they can be seen or expect to replace it.
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on December 15, 2018, 05:11:22 PM
Ghost cams, this brings an interesting twist to the discussion... not that I have any skin in the game! I wouldn't touch em if I didn't place em.
"You never want to look into the abandoned camera's, for more than their batteries are cold within."
Doug
Post by: luckyman on December 15, 2018, 05:13:52 PM
Yes, they do get messed with.If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.
Does the same apply for your base camp, spike camp, or truck parked at the trailhead.....??
Post by: Taco280AI on December 15, 2018, 07:21:54 PM
Yes, they do get messed with.If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.
Does the same apply for your base camp, spike camp, or truck parked at the trailhead.....??
And you're okay with that apparently. You must be the one doing the stealing. Must be luck to find all these free things everywhere. Oh lucky me, a free trail cam. Lucky me, a free truck. Your name is fitting
Post by: idaho guy on December 15, 2018, 07:37:49 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
Seriously? Yeah it his property! He knows where it is and he spent his hard earned money on it. Littering? Doubt it has caused any harm to the environment. Bottom line, don’t mess with someone’s cam. A lot of time and money is involved with many cams. I had a cam jacked last year and it was a very sickening experience. Scum of the earth in my opinion if you take someone’s cam. Month or 5 years not yours to touch
I never said anything about touching them. I said that in my opinion it is littering. I am also of the opinion that if you pack it in you should pack it out. I just can't see the justification for leaving cameras or other equipment unattended long-term on public land.
It’s not littering. Unless you never retrieve it ever then maybe see your point
Post by: bigtex on December 15, 2018, 07:59:31 PM
WDFW and DNR do not have regs for their lands.
BLM does not have a nationwide regulation.
USFS prohibits people abandoning property on USFS lands but does not define the timeframe as to when property becomes abandoned.
For US Fish and Wildlife lands property (including cameras) left unattended for over 72 hours is considered to be "abandoned property" and can be removed by USFWS employees.
For National Park Service, Army Corps of Engineers, and US Bureau of Reclamation lands (including those areas you can hunt) property left unattended for over 24 hours is considered to be "abandoned property" and can be removed by employees.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 15, 2018, 08:27:50 PM
Post by: Brad Harshman on December 15, 2018, 09:25:09 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.With all due respect, you should consider cleaning up your junk.
Post by: luckyman on December 16, 2018, 04:36:02 AM
Yes, they do get messed with.If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.
Does the same apply for your base camp, spike camp, or truck parked at the trailhead.....??
And you're okay with that apparently. You must be the one doing the stealing. Must be luck to find all these free things everywhere. Oh lucky me, a free trail cam. Lucky me, a free truck. Your name is fitting
You are really out of touch with reality.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 16, 2018, 05:15:45 AM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.With all due respect, you should consider cleaning up your junk.
:peep:
Post by: Taco280AI on December 16, 2018, 09:53:50 AM
Yes, they do get messed with.If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.
Does the same apply for your base camp, spike camp, or truck parked at the trailhead.....??
And you're okay with that apparently. You must be the one doing the stealing. Must be luck to find all these free things everywhere. Oh lucky me, a free trail cam. Lucky me, a free truck. Your name is fitting
You are really out of touch with reality.
Yet these are your words, "If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with."
Spoken like a true thief
Post by: Atroxus on December 16, 2018, 10:10:55 AM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
Seriously? Yeah it his property! He knows where it is and he spent his hard earned money on it. Littering? Doubt it has caused any harm to the environment. Bottom line, don’t mess with someone’s cam. A lot of time and money is involved with many cams. I had a cam jacked last year and it was a very sickening experience. Scum of the earth in my opinion if you take someone’s cam. Month or 5 years not yours to touch
I never said anything about touching them. I said that in my opinion it is littering. I am also of the opinion that if you pack it in you should pack it out. I just can't see the justification for leaving cameras or other equipment unattended long-term on public land.
It’s not littering. Unless you never retrieve it ever then maybe see your point
So by that logic, I can just dump my garbage in the woods as long as I plan to go back for it some day. :rolleyes:
Post by: idaho guy on December 16, 2018, 10:19:12 AM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
Seriously? Yeah it his property! He knows where it is and he spent his hard earned money on it. Littering? Doubt it has caused any harm to the environment. Bottom line, don’t mess with someone’s cam. A lot of time and money is involved with many cams. I had a cam jacked last year and it was a very sickening experience. Scum of the earth in my opinion if you take someone’s cam. Month or 5 years not yours to touch
I never said anything about touching them. I said that in my opinion it is littering. I am also of the opinion that if you pack it in you should pack it out. I just can't see the justification for leaving cameras or other equipment unattended long-term on public land.
It’s not littering. Unless you never retrieve it ever then maybe see your point
So by that logic, I can just dump my garbage in the woods as long as I plan to go back for it some day. :rolleyes:
Totally different trail cam is there for a reason and with intent of absolutely retrieving not Even close to garbage but I guess we will disagree on this one :tup: nitpicking each other over this kind of stuff is why we end up with so many needless regulations carefull or your state will have even more confusing regulations to deal with
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 16, 2018, 10:26:02 AM
Post by: luckyman on December 16, 2018, 10:37:59 AM
Dude, you can call me a thief all you want. Anyone that knows me knows different. If you want to take the risk of placing a camera on you a tree, then do it. You can't blame anyone but yourself if you let it get tampered with. Lock it ,hide it what ever you have to do. If people are coming through and you don't pull your cams someone else will. If you cant afford the loss why would you gamble with it. Me, I run 5-10 cams year around for 16 years now. The first couple were jacked. No biggy Learn from it.Yes, they do get messed with.If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.
Does the same apply for your base camp, spike camp, or truck parked at the trailhead.....??
And you're okay with that apparently. You must be the one doing the stealing. Must be luck to find all these free things everywhere. Oh lucky me, a free trail cam. Lucky me, a free truck. Your name is fitting
You are really out of touch with reality.
Yet these are your words, "If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with."
Spoken like a true thief
Post by: jtrammell on December 16, 2018, 11:35:55 AM
Some of the arguments I hate is "if it's on public land then it's abandoned. Well...roads are "public" land. Should you park on the road is your vehicle fair game? I know that's a bit of an extreme, but it's using some of the "logic" here.
As someone that caught two thieves in the action (see video below), I can tell you it's sickening.
People can in FACT be charged for theft of a camera.
Post by: Machias on December 17, 2018, 11:55:15 AM
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2018, 12:08:06 PM
Actually, you can blame whoever took it. They are culls.Dude, you can call me a thief all you want. Anyone that knows me knows different. If you want to take the risk of placing a camera on you a tree, then do it. You can't blame anyone but yourself if you let it get tampered with. Lock it ,hide it what ever you have to do. If people are coming through and you don't pull your cams someone else will. If you cant afford the loss why would you gamble with it. Me, I run 5-10 cams year around for 16 years now. The first couple were jacked. No biggy Learn from it.Yes, they do get messed with.If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with.
Does the same apply for your base camp, spike camp, or truck parked at the trailhead.....??
And you're okay with that apparently. You must be the one doing the stealing. Must be luck to find all these free things everywhere. Oh lucky me, a free trail cam. Lucky me, a free truck. Your name is fitting
You are really out of touch with reality.
Yet these are your words, "If you leave it and walk away don't cry if it gets messed with."
Spoken like a true thief
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Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2018, 12:14:02 PM
Luckily your opinion isn't law. And no one has to justify anything to you. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it's wrong.I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
Seriously? Yeah it his property! He knows where it is and he spent his hard earned money on it. Littering? Doubt it has caused any harm to the environment. Bottom line, don’t mess with someone’s cam. A lot of time and money is involved with many cams. I had a cam jacked last year and it was a very sickening experience. Scum of the earth in my opinion if you take someone’s cam. Month or 5 years not yours to touch
I never said anything about touching them. I said that in my opinion it is littering. I am also of the opinion that if you pack it in you should pack it out. I just can't see the justification for leaving cameras or other equipment unattended long-term on public land.
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Post by: KFhunter on December 17, 2018, 12:16:08 PM
Post by: Curly on December 17, 2018, 12:31:35 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 17, 2018, 12:46:11 PM
Post by: Curly on December 17, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
Post by: whacker1 on December 17, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2018, 01:08:51 PM
I can't fathom why anyone would leave anything on public land and assume it's going to be left alone. IT IS illegal to leave items unattended on most public land in most cases. First of all, I have never messed with another person's camera in the woods. I have found them before though and had run ins with people who put them up and lost them to theft and then tried to interrogate me on if I knew anything. They act like not only do they own the camera but they also lay claim to PUBLIC land surrounding it. ITS PUBLIC LAND and if I want to sit in front of your camera and hunt how will you act? What if I put up a blind in front of it and leave that with intentions of coming back later? Not once have I met a person who had a cam up on public land that seemed to realize that they do not have exclusive rights to anything in that area. And the law does state that it's littering and abandoned if it is left unattended. I can't believe that people even on here are instantly calling others thieves because they tell you it's at your own risk. It's your fault if your camera gets stolen or maybe even taken down by a Ranger or Officer. That is a fact...
I can't fathom why anyone would leave anything on public land and assume it's going to be left alone. IT IS illegal to leave items unattended on most public land in most cases. First of all, I have never messed with another person's camera in the woods. I have found them before though and had run ins with people who put them up and lost them to theft and then tried to interrogate me on if I knew anything. They act like not only do they own the camera but they also lay claim to PUBLIC land surrounding it. ITS PUBLIC LAND and if I want to sit in front of your camera and hunt how will you act? What if I put up a blind in front of it and leave that with intentions of coming back later? Not once have I met a person who had a cam up on public land that seemed to realize that they do not have exclusive rights to anything in that area. And the law does state that it's littering and abandoned if it is left unattended. I can't believe that people even on here are instantly calling others thieves because they tell you it's at your own risk. It's your fault if your camera gets stolen or maybe even taken down by a Ranger or Officer. That is a fact...
Your wrong. It isn't illegal to leave cameras on most lands. Reread Bigtex's post. Also, I'm well aware it's public land and open to anyone. I have no problem with anyone sitting in front of my camera. As long as they don't mess with it. If you put a blind in front of it, that's fine. I'll just move my camera.
"Abandoned" cameras is always a controversial subject. Realistically, for public lands it comes down to the land agency's regulations.
WDFW and DNR do not have regs for their lands.
BLM does not have a nationwide regulation.
USFS prohibits people abandoning property on USFS lands but does not define the timeframe as to when property becomes abandoned.
For US Fish and Wildlife lands property (including cameras) left unattended for over 72 hours is considered to be "abandoned property" and can be removed by USFWS employees.
For National Park Service, Army Corps of Engineers, and US Bureau of Reclamation lands (including those areas you can hunt) property left unattended for over 24 hours is considered to be "abandoned property" and can be removed by employees.
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Post by: fishngamereaper on December 17, 2018, 01:12:59 PM
I don't understand the mentallity of some of these post's....guess I was raised to leave other people's stuff alone...
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2018, 01:18:36 PM
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Post by: fishngamereaper on December 17, 2018, 01:23:51 PM
Sounds like a lot of these "fellow sportsmen" would consider it litter and have no problem taking it home. They would probably think it was their lucky day to score someone's hunting set up. Heck, maybe they will stumble across your tent if they are lucky.
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Ah yes... I've been known to not return to camp for a few days from time to time...
Post by: Curly on December 17, 2018, 01:34:10 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 17, 2018, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2018, 02:34:27 PM
It seems to me there is a distinction based on the object's condition based on time in the field. If I see a truck parked on the side of the road and the hood is warm it's obviously in use. The same truck on its side, rusted through with windows smashed out and four flat tires has probably been abandoned.Agreed. But even then, do you take the obviously abandoned truck home or do you report it to the proper authorities?
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Post by: KFhunter on December 17, 2018, 02:35:44 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 17, 2018, 02:43:12 PM
I wouldn't take it home, but I would consider it in a different light than something obviously in recent use. I'd probably be irritated that something left it there rather than clean it up. :twocents:It seems to me there is a distinction based on the object's condition based on time in the field. If I see a truck parked on the side of the road and the hood is warm it's obviously in use. The same truck on its side, rusted through with windows smashed out and four flat tires has probably been abandoned.Agreed. But even then, do you take the obviously abandoned truck home or do you report it to the proper authorities?
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Post by: Atroxus on December 17, 2018, 03:15:52 PM
Sounds like a lot of these "fellow sportsmen" would consider it litter and have no problem taking it home. They would probably think it was their lucky day to score someone's hunting set up. Heck, maybe they will stumble across your tent if they are lucky.
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As far as I can tell nobody in this thread condoned theft. How about keeping your baseless aspersions on others character to yourself?
Post by: Mossbak on December 17, 2018, 03:57:18 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 17, 2018, 04:05:34 PM
Sounds like a lot of these "fellow sportsmen" would consider it litter and have no problem taking it home. They would probably think it was their lucky day to score someone's hunting set up. Heck, maybe they will stumble across your tent if they are lucky.
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As far as I can tell nobody in this thread condoned theft. How about keeping your baseless aspersions on others character to yourself?
Sure the heck sounds like some do...
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Post by: huntnfmly on December 17, 2018, 04:21:18 PM
I don't own a game cam but maybe someday but still could never take something that wasn't mine. My 15 yr old son this year deer hunting in 101 came back with his grandpa to camp all excited because he found a game cam in the road. It had some mud on it but that's about it. I explained to him that it was left out for a reason and not lost or abandoned. He got it and I made him take me back to where he found it and we put it back.Good on you @Mossbak teaching a good lesson.
Your avatar pic is great kids getting into the outdoors
Post by: Pinetar on December 17, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
So I'm chasing a big bull. Ditch my day pack to drop weight and end up farther from my pack than planned. No worries though I'll get back to it in a day or so...Is it now unattended and considered litter... :dunno:
I don't understand the mentallity of some of these post's....guess I was raised to leave other people's stuff alone...
:yeah:
This post makes me laugh :chuckle:, you sound like my kid.
Two weeks ago my son left his backpack/spotting scope in the sage twice for 3/4 of a day while he was stalking a big buck. Both times he ended up over a mile away from it and had to go back to retrieve it in the dark. One would hope this would be OK and no one would mess with it, now I'm not so sure with guys out there thinking it is litter. Unfortunately, it seems like times have changed.
Post by: woodswalker on December 17, 2018, 05:19:53 PM
Sounds like a lot of these "fellow sportsmen" would consider it litter and have no problem taking it home. They would probably think it was their lucky day to score someone's hunting set up. Heck, maybe they will stumble across your tent if they are lucky.
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Ah yes... I've been known to not return to camp for a few days from time to time...
I have left cameras and spike camps...SO FAR no one has gotten their grubbies on them.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 17, 2018, 05:28:52 PM
Sounds like a lot of these "fellow sportsmen" would consider it litter and have no problem taking it home. They would probably think it was their lucky day to score someone's hunting set up. Heck, maybe they will stumble across your tent if they are lucky.
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As far as I can tell nobody in this thread condoned theft. How about keeping your baseless aspersions on others character to yourself?
:yeah:
This whole thing is like leaving your plate where the dog can reach it then blaming the dog. This world is full of thieves, some people can be pretty naive. Maybe it's an Ego thing... Stealing is wrong. It should be evident whether an item in the woods was left intentionally or not. I just think alot of folks who leave cameras on public land get this sense of ownership of the area they are in somehow and then become protective of it. That's been my experience with people who put cameras on public land... On several different occasions
Post by: Alpine Mojo on December 17, 2018, 07:06:37 PM
If I see a truck parked on the side of the road and the hood is warm it's obviously in use.
If a total stranger comes back and catches you snooping around their truck, good luck explaining you just wanted to see if "the hood was warm".
Post by: Brad Harshman on December 17, 2018, 10:52:18 PM
1. It's never ethical to steal. Done - move on.
2. It's not ethical to litter. Done - move on.
So is leaving your stuff on public land ethical?
According to the Leave No Trace practice it is not okay. This is inline with John Muir's philosophy of preservation as well. Nobody goes out to the woods hoping to find other peoples stuff. When we go out in the woods we do so to reconnect, to re-create. Why should we take that experience away by leaving trail cams up all year long?
To be clear, placing cams is distinctly different than dropping your pack for a day or two, or parking your truck for a week long hunt. Cameras placed in the woods are out of context with their environment. We don't expect to find them out there. And the farther from the road, the greater it violates our expectstions.
Just to be clear, I'm not opposed to using cams. All I ask is whether we should use them 365 days a year. If we're not willing to consider others who want to use public lands, then what kind user group are we?
Post by: Dan-o on December 17, 2018, 11:11:56 PM
I don't see anyone advocating stealing cams (I have up to 6 out on public land, so I'm not against them).
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 18, 2018, 06:42:06 AM
I also do understand there is a chance of theft, I deal with thieves every day, but I don't expect it with my cams or any of my other stuff. That removes the blame from the thief.
AS for the littering concept, if that's the true focus. How's it any different than a road side memorial, or a mountain top memorial. How about flagging tape, does everyone pull their flagging tape after recovering an animal. Not from what Ive seen. If you really want to focus on littering we should start by outlawing helium balloons….those dang things are all over the place in the woods. :twocents:
Post by: GoldenRing270 on December 18, 2018, 08:18:16 AM
Post by: JWEBB on December 18, 2018, 10:38:26 AM
We'll said Brad. I think one of the reasons that folks are getting so heated over this topic and calling fellow hunt-wa members thieves is that they understand this argument. We all share public land and by leaving a camera out for over a year without checking/maintaining it's essentially the same thing as making a mess in the break room at work and telling your coworkers you plan to clean it up later. They realize that it is not a very considerate thing to do but being wrong hurts the ego therefor they are responding harshly toward anyone with a different opinion and immediately making assumptions about their character to put them down and keep their ego in check.
This topic has gotten outta hand. Seriously comparing leaving a mess in a break room to leaving up a trail camera for a year? Sorry I don’t see anything simillar between the 2. Personnaly I haven’t called anyone a thief on this thread but I do understand some who have. It’s super frustrating when you put in a ton of effort and some idiot thinks he can take your cam. I honestly don’t think it’s ok to leave a cam out for years but if I stumble across one that’s got moss growing on it, I’m not touching it! Not yours leave it be! And I would like to hear from anyone who can tell me a trail cam is going to ruin the environment
Post by: huntnfmly on December 18, 2018, 10:44:55 AM
+1We'll said Brad. I think one of the reasons that folks are getting so heated over this topic and calling fellow hunt-wa members thieves is that they understand this argument. We all share public land and by leaving a camera out for over a year without checking/maintaining it's essentially the same thing as making a mess in the break room at work and telling your coworkers you plan to clean it up later. They realize that it is not a very considerate thing to do but being wrong hurts the ego therefor they are responding harshly toward anyone with a different opinion and immediately making assumptions about their character to put them down and keep their ego in check.
This topic has gotten outta hand. Seriously comparing leaving a mess in a break room to leaving up a trail camera for a year? Sorry I don’t see anything simillar between the 2. Personnaly I haven’t called anyone a thief on this thread but I do understand some who have. It’s super frustrating when you put in a ton of effort and some idiot thinks he can take your cam.
For those who are upset that they find a camera out in the woods and it effects thier time outside all I have to say is wow really? You may have some issues that you should look into
Post by: GoldenRing270 on December 18, 2018, 10:58:05 AM
Post by: grundy53 on December 18, 2018, 11:04:49 AM
That's stealing
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Post by: JWEBB on December 18, 2018, 11:10:28 AM
Ok, so how would you feel if I were following you around with a drone and video taping and taking pictures of you while you were out in the woods hunting/scouting on public land? How would you react? Not kindly I suspect. All I am saying is that some of the cameras that go missing might not be stolen by thieves. They are more likely just taken down by citizens who feel like their rights have been violated. They don't need to "look into their issues" they have every right to be upset that someone they don't know just got a picture of them without their consent. Or back on topic, someone finds an old obviously neglected trail cam in a spot they like to visit and see it for what it is... an eyesore and piece of garbage in the woods. They then remove it the same way they would if they found an old beer can or candy wrapper. I completely understand the frustration of having put the time into finding a good trail and going through the effort of placing a cam only to have it become stolen but you have to look at it from multiple points of view before just assuming your camera was stolen by a low life who took it for personal gain.
By all means go ahead and follow me with a drone. Wouldn’t be the first time :chuckle:. Again, not your cam, leave it alone!
Post by: Curly on December 18, 2018, 11:30:19 AM
Ok, so how would you feel if I were following you around with a drone and video taping and taking pictures of you while you were out in the woods hunting/scouting on public land? How would you react? Not kindly I suspect. All I am saying is that some of the cameras that go missing might not be stolen by thieves. They are more likely just taken down by citizens who feel like their rights have been violated. They don't need to "look into their issues" they have every right to be upset that someone they don't know just got a picture of them without their consent. Or back on topic, someone finds an old obviously neglected trail cam in a spot they like to visit and see it for what it is... an eyesore and piece of garbage in the woods. They then remove it the same way they would if they found an old beer can or candy wrapper. I completely understand the frustration of having put the time into finding a good trail and going through the effort of placing a cam only to have it become stolen but you have to look at it from multiple points of view before just assuming your camera was stolen by a low life who took it for personal gain.
But they are a low life scum if they took the cam no matter what reason they tell themselves. :twocents: A thief is a thief. :twocents:
Post by: ghosthunter on December 18, 2018, 11:31:05 AM
What about all the millions of cameras taking your picture every day where ever you go. Even cameras on private property cover some public lands. I don't know of any law that prohibits taking someone's picture in public, but maybe there is.
Recently on the news LE are using private security cams to solve crimes. What is the difference between trail cams and any other camera out there?
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 18, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 18, 2018, 11:36:40 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on December 18, 2018, 11:50:13 AM
I have an idea. Anyone placing a trail cam on public property should be required to leave a note that is protected from the elements stating when that cam was placed and when it will be serviced. If the date is greater than six months expired or no note is left then it’s fair game! :tup:You're just kidding right?
Post by: NoBark on December 18, 2018, 11:53:58 AM
The whole idea of something you don't own, suddenly becoming yours without the owner giving it to you is a deffinate problem that appears to be much more common with the younger demographics of our society. :twocents:
Post by: Sandberm on December 18, 2018, 12:17:30 PM
... John Muir's philosophy of preservation as well. Nobody goes out to the woods hoping to find other peoples stuff. When we go out in the woods we do so to reconnect, to re-create. Why should we take that experience away by leaving trail cams up all year long?
... If we're not willing to consider others who want to use public lands, then what kind user group are we?
I think this is a point you guys are missing.
We live our lives being constantly watched, walking paths thousands have already walked down. To go out into the wild is to fantasize of adventure, to pretend we are the first to go somewhere, to NOT be seen , somewhere where one can regenerate and feel peaceful. Having your picture taken for some stranger or message board to look at feels like an invasion of that serenity.
But, as a matter of perspective, its just a small plastic box strapped to a tree :dunno:
Like all things outdoors, a little compromise can go a long ways.
Post by: KP-Skagit on December 18, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
Pretty sure if your on PUBLIC ground (be it forested or covered in cement) any court would affirm that there is NO expectation of privacy, thereby getting your picture taken is NOT an invasion of privacy.
The whole idea of something you don't own, suddenly becoming yours without the owner giving it to you is a deffinate problem that appears to be much more common with the younger demographics of our society. :twocents:
Yup, I am one of the younger generation and know for a FACT that if something isn't nailed down it is MINE. If it is nailed down then I guess I need a crowbar or hammer. :rolleyes:
What an absurd generalization to be made. For one think about who taught us our sense of right and wrong.
Clearly this conversation is rooted in the broader discussion on whether trail cameras belong on public land or not. At present they are and even if they were not I doubt the law would state the proper corrective action is to take it for your personal use. Much more likely that you are to report them. Best to leave them alone.
That said if you are running them best to also lock them up and/or place them where others are not likely to find them. Not saying you have to but the unfortunate reality is that there are plenty of culls in this herd of humans we have going.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 18, 2018, 01:01:05 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 18, 2018, 01:09:03 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 18, 2018, 01:19:13 PM
Don’t get bent out of shape guys, was just a suggestion! Yeah maybe the reporting aspect would be better versus taking matters into your own hands. In any case, do you all really want to take away our last frontier and turn it into one big brother all seeing eye!? I think all this techno crap is taking away from the true spirit of hunting if you know what I mean .
Pretty sure if your on PUBLIC ground (be it forested or covered in cement) any court would affirm that there is NO expectation of privacy, thereby getting your picture taken is NOT an invasion of privacy.
The whole idea of something you don't own, suddenly becoming yours without the owner giving it to you is a deffinate problem that appears to be much more common with the younger demographics of our society. :twocents:
Yup, I am one of the younger generation and know for a FACT that if something isn't nailed down it is MINE. If it is nailed down then I guess I need a crowbar or hammer. :rolleyes:
What an absurd generalization to be made. For one think about who taught us our sense of right and wrong.
Clearly this conversation is rooted in the broader discussion on whether trail cameras belong on public land or not. At present they are and even if they were not I doubt the law would state the proper corrective action is to take it for your personal use. Much more likely that you are to report them. Best to leave them alone.
That said if you are running them best to also lock them up and/or place them where others are not likely to find them. Not saying you have to but the unfortunate reality is that there are plenty of culls in this herd of humans we have going.
Perhaps there could be an established collection point at the trail head where the owners could reclaim them. Something like this. :chuckle:
I found some this fall belonging to UofW and the DNR.
Post by: KP-Skagit on December 18, 2018, 01:30:40 PM
Don’t get bent out of shape guys, was just a suggestion! Yeah maybe the reporting aspect would be better versus taking matters into your own hands. In any case, do you all really want to take away our last frontier and turn it into one big brother all seeing eye!? I think all this techno crap is taking away from the true spirit of hunting if you know what I mean .Pretty sure if your on PUBLIC ground (be it forested or covered in cement) any court would affirm that there is NO expectation of privacy, thereby getting your picture taken is NOT an invasion of privacy.
The whole idea of something you don't own, suddenly becoming yours without the owner giving it to you is a deffinate problem that appears to be much more common with the younger demographics of our society. :twocents:
Yup, I am one of the younger generation and know for a FACT that if something isn't nailed down it is MINE. If it is nailed down then I guess I need a crowbar or hammer. :rolleyes:
What an absurd generalization to be made. For one think about who taught us our sense of right and wrong.
Clearly this conversation is rooted in the broader discussion on whether trail cameras belong on public land or not. At present they are and even if they were not I doubt the law would state the proper corrective action is to take it for your personal use. Much more likely that you are to report them. Best to leave them alone.
That said if you are running them best to also lock them up and/or place them where others are not likely to find them. Not saying you have to but the unfortunate reality is that there are plenty of culls in this herd of humans we have going.
Perhaps there could be an established collection point at the trail head where the owners could reclaim them. Something like this. :chuckle:
I found some this fall belonging to UofW and the DNR.
I am legitimately surprised how much mono is in there and the overall lack of beer cans! My faith in humanity has been restored. For now, still have the commute home today on the I5.
Post by: BreezyBear on December 18, 2018, 01:41:13 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 18, 2018, 01:42:07 PM
Perhaps there could be an established collection point at the trail head where the owners could reclaim them. Something like this. :chuckle:
I found some this fall belonging to UofW and the DNR.
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:yeah: All recycle proceeds will be forwarded to the WDFW “Save the Wolves” fund! :chuckle:
Post by: LDennis24 on December 18, 2018, 01:52:15 PM
If my wife was in that situation... Sorry your cam is going bye bye. Call me all the names you want to... It's happening
Post by: Machias on December 18, 2018, 02:44:06 PM
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 18, 2018, 04:00:30 PM
One scenario my wife had mentioned is that if your doing your business in the woods with reasonable expectations that your in a secluded area when suddenly as your buttoning up you see a cam that is pointed in your direction...
If my wife was in that situation... Sorry your cam is going bye bye. Call me all the names you want to... It's happening
Just take the card and tell your wife to look all around before going... I always do
Post by: luckyman on December 18, 2018, 04:31:46 PM
I do and they don't go for more then 1-2 months before servicing. I rarely keep them in the same place for long. :dunno:
I would hardly call it litter when they are loaded and working the whole time.
Post by: Atroxus on December 18, 2018, 05:09:05 PM
What reason would there be for Not having cams out all year around?
I do and they don't go for more then 1-2 months before servicing. I rarely keep them in the same place for long. :dunno:
I would hardly call it litter when they are loaded and working the whole time.
Personally I am of the opinion that we should not be allowed to leave any equipment on public land, since as some have pointed out, there are people who consider a game camera, a blind or a tree stand to be a personal claim on that land.
While I would not touch someone else's gear, I don't think anyone should be put in a position of being treated like a trespasser when on public land just because someone else decided to "stake a claim" by leaving their stuff out year-round. :twocents:
Post by: LDennis24 on December 18, 2018, 05:15:02 PM
One scenario my wife had mentioned is that if your doing your business in the woods with reasonable expectations that your in a secluded area when suddenly as your buttoning up you see a cam that is pointed in your direction...
If my wife was in that situation... Sorry your cam is going bye bye. Call me all the names you want to... It's happening
Just take the card and tell your wife to look all around before going... I always do
I was just giving an unlikely but possible scenario. I meant if that was my only option I would have to take it.
Post by: arowpoint on December 18, 2018, 05:20:24 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 18, 2018, 05:22:27 PM
What reason would there be for Not having cams out all year around?
I do and they don't go for more then 1-2 months before servicing. I rarely keep them in the same place for long. :dunno:
I would hardly call it litter when they are loaded and working the whole time.
Personally I am of the opinion that we should not be allowed to leave any equipment on public land, since as some have pointed out, there are people who consider a game camera, a blind or a tree stand to be a personal claim on that property.
While I would not touch someone else's gear, I don't think anyone should be put in a position of being treated like a trespasser when on public land just because someone else decided to "stake a claim" by leaving their stuff out year-round. :twocents:
:yeah: This is my stance as well. I have NEVER ran into someone who was checking game cameras on public land that was courteous. They always seem to treat you like they have exclusive rights to that area and on one occasion a buddy and I had a run in with some hot head with a pistol who didn't like that his cam was altered and he noticed us in the area. Put a bad taste in my mouth for people who use game cameras on public property...
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 18, 2018, 05:25:29 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 18, 2018, 05:36:05 PM
What reason would there be for Not having cams out all year around?
I do and they don't go for more then 1-2 months before servicing. I rarely keep them in the same place for long. :dunno:
I would hardly call it litter when they are loaded and working the whole time.
Personally I am of the opinion that we should not be allowed to leave any equipment on public land, since as some have pointed out, there are people who consider a game camera, a blind or a tree stand to be a personal claim on that land.
While I would not touch someone else's gear, I don't think anyone should be put in a position of being treated like a trespasser when on public land just because someone else decided to "stake a claim" by leaving their stuff out year-round. :twocents:
Not sure how many on this forum are old enough to remember or even around when the Forest Service hired outfitters to remove all the cached elk camps in the Blue Mountain's 30+ years ago. But they hauled off tons of equipment. They filled dump trucks and it went to the dump. The last couple of years the fires might have taken care of some as well. It's like the ghost camp threads. Sort of If I have my crap there then I have the "Right" to claim it. I find cameras many times during the fall Most times I walk past but when they are labeled research stuff I will post them. And yes I also have camera's scattered out in the woods. I guess I have been fortunate to have not had any hijacked, But I know that day is coming. Will I post that it was stolen. Most likely not. Figure it is just the cost of doing business.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 18, 2018, 05:51:10 PM
What reason would there be for Not having cams out all year around?
I do and they don't go for more then 1-2 months before servicing. I rarely keep them in the same place for long. :dunno:
I would hardly call it litter when they are loaded and working the whole time.
Personally I am of the opinion that we should not be allowed to leave any equipment on public land, since as some have pointed out, there are people who consider a game camera, a blind or a tree stand to be a personal claim on that land.
While I would not touch someone else's gear, I don't think anyone should be put in a position of being treated like a trespasser when on public land just because someone else decided to "stake a claim" by leaving their stuff out year-round. :twocents:
Not sure how many on this forum are old enough to remember or even around when the Forest Service hired outfitters to remove all the cached elk camps in the Blue Mountain's 30+ years ago. But they hauled off tons of equipment. They filled dump trucks and it went to the dump. The last couple of years the fires might have taken care of some as well. It's like the ghost camp threads. Sort of If I have my crap there then I have the "Right" to claim it. I find cameras many times during the fall Most times I walk past but when they are labeled research stuff I will post them. And yes I also have camera's scattered out in the woods. I guess I have been fortunate to have not had any hijacked, But I know that day is coming. Will I post that it was stolen. Most likely not. Figure it is just the cost of doing business.
I know what your talking about as my grandfather had a stove and tent buried in the rocks in the Blues for years and he never went back and got it. It's definitely rotted away by now. My wife's family has had a cabin in the Blues for a long long time. There used to be more cabins as well and then the FS decided to consolidate them into certain areas to clean up the forest so alot of the old ones were burned down and then you had to buy a lot in a certain area and build a new one. They were fortunate enough to get one of the originals in the Wenaha.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 18, 2018, 06:30:51 PM
I have an idea. Anyone placing a trail cam on public property should be required to leave a note that is protected from the elements stating when that cam was placed and when it will be serviced. If the date is greater than six months expired or no note is left then it’s fair game! :tup:You're just kidding right?
It will come to this.
IIRC, some states that still allow bear baiting, your site must be tagged with your info.
Post by: grundy53 on December 18, 2018, 06:36:51 PM
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Post by: no.cen.wa on December 18, 2018, 08:05:53 PM
Just my thoughts
John G
Post by: luckyman on December 18, 2018, 08:25:58 PM
What reason would there be for Not having cams out all year around?
I do and they don't go for more then 1-2 months before servicing. I rarely keep them in the same place for long. :dunno:
I would hardly call it litter when they are loaded and working the whole time.
Personally I am of the opinion that we should not be allowed to leave any equipment on public land, since as some have pointed out, there are people who consider a game camera, a blind or a tree stand to be a personal claim on that property.
While I would not touch someone else's gear, I don't think anyone should be put in a position of being treated like a trespasser when on public land just because someone else decided to "stake a claim" by leaving their stuff out year-round. :twocents:
:yeah: This is my stance as well. I have NEVER ran into someone who was checking game cameras on public land that was courteous. They always seem to treat you like they have exclusive rights to that area and on one occasion a buddy and I had a run in with some hot head with a pistol who didn't like that his cam was altered and he noticed us in the area. Put a bad taste in my mouth for people who use game cameras on public property...
Thanks for your thought on this. I can understand someone not wanting their picture randomly snapped in the woods. The main reason for using cams as far as I'm concerned is to make sure no one is coming through. I start checking what animals made it through the season then see where they like to hang. I try not to leave any sign of my presents like no foot print in mud. I stay away from trails and if I see anyone or see a foot print I move everything. In 16 years I think I've had about 5 people on my cameras which I delete. No way would I post their picture online like gets done here. By the time hunting season rolls around I already have my plans and don't really need the cams out. Sounds like some people get attached to the area they want to hunt.
Post by: MR5x5 on December 19, 2018, 09:56:06 AM
Oh crap! 126 pages of it on this forum. :yike:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 19, 2018, 11:16:08 AM
Who would ever post a picture of someone from their cam on the we?Yea shouldnt post or allow trailcam people taken on public land for sure imo.
Oh crap! 126 pages of it on this forum. :yike:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2018, 11:40:40 AM
What reason would there be for Not having cams out all year around?
I do and they don't go for more then 1-2 months before servicing. I rarely keep them in the same place for long. :dunno:
I would hardly call it litter when they are loaded and working the whole time.
Personally I am of the opinion that we should not be allowed to leave any equipment on public land, since as some have pointed out, there are people who consider a game camera, a blind or a tree stand to be a personal claim on that property.
While I would not touch someone else's gear, I don't think anyone should be put in a position of being treated like a trespasser when on public land just because someone else decided to "stake a claim" by leaving their stuff out year-round. :twocents:
:yeah: This is my stance as well. I have NEVER ran into someone who was checking game cameras on public land that was courteous. They always seem to treat you like they have exclusive rights to that area and on one occasion a buddy and I had a run in with some hot head with a pistol who didn't like that his cam was altered and he noticed us in the area. Put a bad taste in my mouth for people who use game cameras on public property...
Cab and I were able to claim the "nice" spot we'd picked out during scouting this year. While we were setting up camp, a guy who had planned on camping and hunting there came by, parked his rig, and had a great attitude about it. He told us he was going up the hill to collect his cams and he'd be out of there. No attitude or ownership. Just accepted it as what happens on public land. Nice guy.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 19, 2018, 12:02:38 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on December 19, 2018, 01:36:25 PM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on December 19, 2018, 02:30:56 PM
Who would ever post a picture of someone from their cam on the we?Yea shouldnt post or allow trailcam people taken on public land for sure imo.
Oh crap! 126 pages of it on this forum. :yike:
X4 the “people on trail cams” thread is my least favorite part of this site. In this over connected world we shouldn’t have to worry about digital surveillance in the woods. It’s that kind of thing that’ll result in them being outlawed on public land.
I use cams on public land, have gotten pictures of people waving and walking by but return their kindness by not sharing that. Never had one stolen, someone who didn’t show themself even was kind enough to tip my camera back up after it had shifted to taking ground pictures. Lots of good people out there, the bad ones just tend to stick out.
Post by: GoldenRing270 on December 19, 2018, 03:11:25 PM
Could a moderator please explain why that thread has been allowed to exist? Especially for 126 pages. Talk about a violation of privacy.
Post by: Remnar on December 19, 2018, 03:34:40 PM
Who would ever post a picture of someone from their cam on the we?Yea shouldnt post or allow trailcam people taken on public land for sure imo.
Oh crap! 126 pages of it on this forum. :yike:
X4 the “people on trail cams” thread is my least favorite part of this site. In this over connected world we shouldn’t have to worry about digital surveillance in the woods. It’s that kind of thing that’ll result in them being outlawed on public land.
I use cams on public land, have gotten pictures of people waving and walking by but return their kindness by not sharing that. Never had one stolen, someone who didn’t show themself even was kind enough to tip my camera back up after it had shifted to taking ground pictures. Lots of good people out there, the bad ones just tend to stick out.
:yeah:
Post by: 3nails on December 19, 2018, 04:15:02 PM
Am I the only one who's bummed I've never made it on there? Every time I walk by one I pose and check the thread hoping I made it! :chuckle:Who would ever post a picture of someone from their cam on the we?Yea shouldnt post or allow trailcam people taken on public land for sure imo.
Oh crap! 126 pages of it on this forum. :yike:
X4 the “people on trail cams” thread is my least favorite part of this site. In this over connected world we shouldn’t have to worry about digital surveillance in the woods. It’s that kind of thing that’ll result in them being outlawed on public land.
I use cams on public land, have gotten pictures of people waving and walking by but return their kindness by not sharing that. Never had one stolen, someone who didn’t show themself even was kind enough to tip my camera back up after it had shifted to taking ground pictures. Lots of good people out there, the bad ones just tend to stick out.
:yeah:
Post by: flyfishWA on December 19, 2018, 04:28:12 PM
sameAm I the only one who's bummed I've never made it on there? Every time I walk by one I pose and check the thread hoping I made it! :chuckle:Who would ever post a picture of someone from their cam on the we?Yea shouldnt post or allow trailcam people taken on public land for sure imo.
Oh crap! 126 pages of it on this forum. :yike:
X4 the “people on trail cams” thread is my least favorite part of this site. In this over connected world we shouldn’t have to worry about digital surveillance in the woods. It’s that kind of thing that’ll result in them being outlawed on public land.
I use cams on public land, have gotten pictures of people waving and walking by but return their kindness by not sharing that. Never had one stolen, someone who didn’t show themself even was kind enough to tip my camera back up after it had shifted to taking ground pictures. Lots of good people out there, the bad ones just tend to stick out.
:yeah:
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on December 19, 2018, 04:37:25 PM
Post by: Pinetar on December 19, 2018, 05:03:36 PM
Who would ever post a picture of someone from their cam on the web?
Oh crap! 126 pages of it on this forum. :yike:
:yeah: I agree with this and would never post a picture of someone I got on my cams. I would think that most guys wouldn't want their picture slammed all over on the web. Maybe this is why some people get so upset over trail cams and why they are stolen? Only exception would be if he was a thief, then I would expose him :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 19, 2018, 05:28:17 PM
Interesting thread, been hunting mule deer for over 55 years, when I started the only camera you saw in the woods was being held by someone,,,,, after reading all these threads I guess that's the way I think it should be. Don't like to think I'm being watched by anyone. I hike into Pasayten Wilderness, Chewuch, Sinlahekin and Pearrygin, haven't seen a camera, but then again they don't look too much like a mule deer. I wouldn't mess with anyone's camera, but don't think they should be in in the woods forever.
Just my thoughts
John G
I think you have a good argument about wilderness, wouldn't mind seeing what everyone else thinks about trail camera's in the wilderness.
Post by: 92xj on December 19, 2018, 05:43:52 PM
Sure people will say it's arguable and disagree, but their vague wording makes it pretty dumbed down and easy to interpret.
But arguable in court.
"Caching or storing equipment, personal property, or supplies is prohibited (36 CFR 261.57(f)). Caching is defined to mean leaving equipment unattended for more than 48 hours."
Trail cam = personal property = equipment = caching
See the 8th bullet
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5137394
Post by: The scout on December 19, 2018, 06:15:13 PM
According to their definition of caching. They are illegal in the wilderness if left longer than 48 hours.
Sure people will say it's arguable and disagree, but their vague wording makes it pretty dumbed down and easy to interpret.
But arguable in court.
"Caching or storing equipment, personal property, or supplies is prohibited (36 CFR 261.57(f)). Caching is defined to mean leaving equipment unattended for more than 48 hours."
Trail cam = personal property = equipment = cachin
See the 8th bullet
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5137394
so is a trail camera in the wilderness different then a outfitter leaving camps setup for months at a time? they do it every year here. atleast to me a trail cam seems pretty trivial comparatively
Post by: 92xj on December 19, 2018, 06:18:26 PM
According to their definition of caching. They are illegal in the wilderness if left longer than 48 hours.
Sure people will say it's arguable and disagree, but their vague wording makes it pretty dumbed down and easy to interpret.
But arguable in court.
"Caching or storing equipment, personal property, or supplies is prohibited (36 CFR 261.57(f)). Caching is defined to mean leaving equipment unattended for more than 48 hours."
Trail cam = personal property = equipment = cachin
See the 8th bullet
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5137394
so is a trail camera in the wilderness different then a outfitter leaving camps setup for months at a time? they do it every year here. atleast to me a trail cam seems pretty trivial comparatively
Beats me.
I was just stating the wording. Not saying I agree or disagree about the law.
I have my personal opinion about the issue but am leaving that out for now.
Post by: Naches Sportsman on December 19, 2018, 06:20:13 PM
Yup. Outfitters have special use permits issued by the the land agency permit administrator.According to their definition of caching. They are illegal in the wilderness if left longer than 48 hours.
Sure people will say it's arguable and disagree, but their vague wording makes it pretty dumbed down and easy to interpret.
But arguable in court.
"Caching or storing equipment, personal property, or supplies is prohibited (36 CFR 261.57(f)). Caching is defined to mean leaving equipment unattended for more than 48 hours."
Trail cam = personal property = equipment = cachin
See the 8th bullet
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5137394
so is a trail camera in the wilderness different then a outfitter leaving camps setup for months at a time? they do it every year here. atleast to me a trail cam seems pretty trivial comparatively
Post by: The scout on December 19, 2018, 06:23:36 PM
According to their definition of caching. They are illegal in the wilderness if left longer than 48 hours.
Sure people will say it's arguable and disagree, but their vague wording makes it pretty dumbed down and easy to interpret.
But arguable in court.
"Caching or storing equipment, personal property, or supplies is prohibited (36 CFR 261.57(f)). Caching is defined to mean leaving equipment unattended for more than 48 hours."
Trail cam = personal property = equipment = cachin
See the 8th bullet
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5137394
so is a trail camera in the wilderness different then a outfitter leaving camps setup for months at a time? they do it every year here. atleast to me a trail cam seems pretty trivial comparatively
Beats me.
I was just stating the wording. Not saying I agree or disagree about the law.
I have my personal opinion about the issue but am leaving that out for now.
fair enough :tup:
Post by: The scout on December 19, 2018, 06:25:38 PM
Yup. Outfitters have special use permits issued by the the land agency permit administrator.According to their definition of caching. They are illegal in the wilderness if left longer than 48 hours.
Sure people will say it's arguable and disagree, but their vague wording makes it pretty dumbed down and easy to interpret.
But arguable in court.
"Caching or storing equipment, personal property, or supplies is prohibited (36 CFR 261.57(f)). Caching is defined to mean leaving equipment unattended for more than 48 hours."
Trail cam = personal property = equipment = cachin
See the 8th bullet
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5137394
so is a trail camera in the wilderness different then a outfitter leaving camps setup for months at a time? they do it every year here. atleast to me a trail cam seems pretty trivial comparatively
good to know. I always wondered that.
Post by: KFhunter on December 19, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
I have my personal opinion about the issue but am leaving that out for now.
I'll go ahead and jump in both feet with my personal opinion....
If I'm in the wilderness I want that feeling as if I'm the first dude to step foot in this particular spot since the beginning of time, I want to be stupefied with the enormity of it all, I want to feel small and insignificant, slightly afraid and awed with grandeur of it all. I could just sit there all day taking it in...
but that's hard to do if you're stumbling into old beer cans, trash cache'd and dug up by animals, and yes even a trail camera hung to a freaking tree taking your picture :bash:
So I'm against trail cameras in the wilderness. Anywhere else I'm good with them.
Post by: Atroxus on December 19, 2018, 08:50:13 PM
According to their definition of caching. They are illegal in the wilderness if left longer than 48 hours.
Sure people will say it's arguable and disagree, but their vague wording makes it pretty dumbed down and easy to interpret.
But arguable in court.
"Caching or storing equipment, personal property, or supplies is prohibited (36 CFR 261.57(f)). Caching is defined to mean leaving equipment unattended for more than 48 hours."
Trail cam = personal property = equipment = cachin
See the 8th bullet
https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/giffordpinchot/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5137394
so is a trail camera in the wilderness different then a outfitter leaving camps setup for months at a time? they do it every year here. atleast to me a trail cam seems pretty trivial comparatively
In my opinion both should be treated the same, however in practice I think it is unlikely that those regulations are enforced with any consistency. :(
Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2018, 01:17:48 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.With all due respect, you should consider cleaning up your junk.
With all due respect, it's a trail camera hanging off of a tree. There are probably 10's of thousands of them out there.
Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2018, 01:22:52 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.
So you have a camera, presumably strapped to a tree somewhere, which you haven't checked on for 3+ years, that may or may not be leaking it's battery contents, and you still consider it your property? Personally I think that sounds more like littering. What is the point of even having it out there if you aren't using it or checking on it? :dunno:
I just haven't had a chance to go get it yet. Aside from that, it's not unlike any other trail camera. The case of the camera is watertight so it's not leaking battery acid anywhere.
Post by: donsk16 on December 20, 2018, 06:17:19 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.With all due respect, you should consider cleaning up your junk.
With all due respect, it's a trail camera hanging off of a tree. There are probably 10's of thousands of them out there.
There are also thousands of beer cans on public land...if someone picks up a beer can they walked by for 2 years, even though it has recycling value that the original owner could collect whenever they want, is that ok with you? We all need to help keep the woods clean, using the attitude that your camera you left for over 3 years is only one of thousands is same attitude people who litter use - oh, this area already has trash, it’s ok for me to add to the problem. We should all do our part in keeping the woods pristine with no excuses that it is okay because others do it. As a parent, I would never teach my kids it’s okay to do something because a ton of others did it and I am surprised by that attitude on this site. Hunters should keep the woods clean for the next person, regardless what user group it is.
As an aside, I have used game cams and would never post a person online. I feel when you are in the woods 5 miles in, regardless of the legality of sharing images, that you should have an expectation of privacy.
Post by: Dan-o on December 20, 2018, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: flyfishWA on December 20, 2018, 07:12:51 PM
All this drama and not one mention of the best reason to leave your trail cams out..............just an idea....MAYBE TO GET PICTURES? like this....
Post by: Seahawk12 on December 20, 2018, 07:14:59 PM
Reading some of these replies.......
A thief is a thief. Try to justify it however you want, taking someones property is stealing.
Thieves are garbage.
Post by: Bob33 on December 20, 2018, 07:15:09 PM
All this drama and not one mention of the best reason to leave your trail cams out..............Duh. To generate web traffic.
Post by: flyfishWA on December 20, 2018, 07:18:17 PM
Holy cow.100% right, thats exactly the right answer. I have had one stolen, and it SUCKS!
Reading some of these replies.......
A thief is a thief. Try to justify it however you want, taking someones property is stealing.
Thieves are garbage.
Post by: Dan-o on December 20, 2018, 07:24:41 PM
Holy cow.100% right, thats exactly the right answer. I have had one stolen, and it SUCKS!
Reading some of these replies.......
A thief is a thief. Try to justify it however you want, taking someones property is stealing.
Thieves are garbage.
I've had 3 stolen.
It does suck.
But I don't think anyone is advocating stealing.
I've seen people get attacked for telling people to expect them to get stolen or to lock them up better. Giving that type of advice doesn't make someone a thief. I tell my kids not to leave their keys in the ignition. It's just a fact of life. Thieves exist, and making it harder on them often dissuades them.
People are also getting attacked for trying to figure out when an abandoned camera becomes trash.
Unless someone is actually advocating theft, we should probably calm down a little.....
Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2018, 08:50:19 PM
I have a camera in the Gifford Pinchot I haven’t seen since I think 2015. I’m assuming it’s still there. It’s in a really secure lockbox. I’m also assuming it’s probably ruined because the batteries leaked or something. I would not appreciate someone checking my pics and batteries, even though they won’t get in my lock box. You didn’t do the work to put it there. You didn’t pay for it. You should just leave it alone.With all due respect, you should consider cleaning up your junk.
With all due respect, it's a trail camera hanging off of a tree. There are probably 10's of thousands of them out there.
There are also thousands of beer cans on public land...if someone picks up a beer can they walked by for 2 years, even though it has recycling value that the original owner could collect whenever they want, is that ok with you? We all need to help keep the woods clean, using the attitude that your camera you left for over 3 years is only one of thousands is same attitude people who litter use - oh, this area already has trash, it’s ok for me to add to the problem. We should all do our part in keeping the woods pristine with no excuses that it is okay because others do it. As a parent, I would never teach my kids it’s okay to do something because a ton of others did it and I am surprised by that attitude on this site. Hunters should keep the woods clean for the next person, regardless what user group it is.
As an aside, I have used game cams and would never post a person online. I feel when you are in the woods 5 miles in, regardless of the legality of sharing images, that you should have an expectation of privacy.
Curious. What’s the difference between me keeping a camera on a tree in the exact same remote location for 3 years, checking it every weekend and me setting a camera in the same remote location, checking a few times and then not having time to get back to it for a year or 2? Do you only leave your cameras for a week or 2 and then go get them and put them somewhere else? What’s the difference?
Post by: donsk16 on December 20, 2018, 10:35:06 PM
Put yourself in others shoes...hikers, mushroom pickers, other hunters, etc....if they walk past your camera for 3-4 years....and it has been dead for 2-3 years...how can they not view that as litter? How does that help our image as hunters to the other user groups?
I would never advocate stealing a camera and wouldn’t do anything myself - but we as hunters do share the woods with others and need to be aware of their perception.
Post by: Bango skank on December 20, 2018, 10:41:52 PM
Put yourself in others shoes...hikers, mushroom pickers, other hunters, etc....if they walk past your camera for 3-4 years....and it has been dead for 2-3 years...how can they not view that as litter?
And how are you supposed to know its been dead for 2-3 years if you keep your hands off of it? Ive had several places that ive kept cams running 24 / 7 / 365 for 3-4 years, without ever letting batteries die. If you see a camera on the same tree for several years, that doesnt mean its not being maintained.
Post by: KFhunter on December 20, 2018, 10:43:57 PM
I never get anyone on my cams. I had one erased once I think or it wasn't working properly (bait gone, no pics)
Post by: emac on December 20, 2018, 10:46:56 PM
Personally, I have never left a game cam in the same location for over a month, checking them about every 2 weeks. I do understand others leave them longer.So you check your camera twice and than move it no matter what. Even if you keep getting that buck or bull of a lifetime walking by. You arent going to leave it there and pattern it?
Put yourself in others shoes...hikers, mushroom pickers, other hunters, etc....if they walk past your camera for 3-4 years....and it has been dead for 2-3 years...how can they not view that as litter? How does that help our image as hunters to the other user groups?
I would never advocate stealing a camera and wouldn’t do anything myself - but we as hunters do share the woods with others and need to be aware of their perception.
And to your other point. How would someone know if it is not being attend to unless they go up and mess with it? As many people have said if its not yours dont touch it.
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Post by: jackelope on December 20, 2018, 10:47:14 PM
Put yourself in others shoes...hikers, mushroom pickers, other hunters, etc....if they walk past your camera for 3-4 years....and it has been dead for 2-3 years...how can they not view that as litter?
And how are you supposed to know its been dead for 2-3 years if you keep your hands off of it? Ive had several places that ive kept cams running 24 / 7 / 365 for 3-4 years, without ever letting batteries die. If you see a camera on the same tree for several years, that doesnt mean its not being maintained.
I have done the same. Multiple years on the same tree checking them every few months. I’ve had as many as 12 cameras out at a time and the only time I’ve ever gotten other people on a camera are on the cameras I’ve had on private ground. Honestly I don’t see much effectiveness leaving a camera in a spot for only a month.
Post by: Bango skank on December 20, 2018, 10:53:19 PM
Bango you catch people on your cameras?
I never get anyone on my cams. I had one erased once I think or it wasn't working properly (bait gone, no pics)
Very rarely. Got one hunter on a cam this year, i posted on the poc thread to see if hes on here. Other than that, i got a few range riders on cams in a couple different areas this year. Have gotten a couple shed hunters on camera in the past too.
I do have 5 cams up right now in new areas i decided to explore this spring, been up about 8 months, havent checked them yet, probably wont until snow melt. May get more people, but i highly doubt it. Theyre all very well off the beaten path.
Post by: KFhunter on December 20, 2018, 10:55:22 PM
Post by: shallowforks on December 20, 2018, 11:17:44 PM
Post by: emac on December 20, 2018, 11:23:31 PM
I run alot of cameras every year. Half on public half on private. When i put my cams on public i know i am taking the chance of when i come back the next time they might not be there. It is what it is. Out of all the cams i run on public only 2 cams have produced people. One gets the same guy every year and he always gives it a big smile and wave and the other one is a more popular spot and so far everyone smiles and waves. So i have been lucky.
So the question is how do you know if its an abandoned cam. Well you dont unless you screw with it. And as people say if its not yours dont touch it. I come across cams all the time and avoid them when possible. If i come across one unexpectedly i put my head down and keep going. When i put cams up i dont expect it to be my spot, i wont tell people where they are at but if i see someone in the area or what not i will move on and come back later. Its public ground and they have every right to be as do i but i am not going screw up someone else's time in the woods. I check my cams every 2 to 4 weeks so they are always being checked. On private i leave them up year round. On public i am usually April til November, but this year i decided to leave some up through the winter to see how long the animals stay around. So according to some of you thise are abandoned.
I have talked to many people about cams, and through my experience the ones that are against them are the ones that don't want to put in the time, effort or expense that goes into running cams so they think it is wrong and want everyone to do things how they do.
So we as hunters are going be our own downfall like has been mentioned many times. I might not agree with everything that people do when it comes to hunting but even the things i dont agree with i still support 100% as a hunter as long as it is legal. Who am i to judge how other people go about doing what they are doing. So when this state starts taking away cams because a select few don't like them, guess what they will come after something you like next and the people that hot there cams taken away might not support you. So keep that in mind. We should all support each other at all times.
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Post by: KFhunter on December 20, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
Post by: idaho guy on December 21, 2018, 10:16:12 AM
I have been following this thread since it started and some of your guys logic just blows me away. This is why hunters will never get anything accomplished as a user group, because everyone is in it for there own interest. Plain and simple.
I run alot of cameras every year. Half on public half on private. When i put my cams on public i know i am taking the chance of when i come back the next time they might not be there. It is what it is. Out of all the cams i run on public only 2 cams have produced people. One gets the same guy every year and he always gives it a big smile and wave and the other one is a more popular spot and so far everyone smiles and waves. So i have been lucky.
So the question is how do you know if its an abandoned cam. Well you dont unless you screw with it. And as people say if its not yours dont touch it. I come across cams all the time and avoid them when possible. If i come across one unexpectedly i put my head down and keep going. When i put cams up i dont expect it to be my spot, i wont tell people where they are at but if i see someone in the area or what not i will move on and come back later. Its public ground and they have every right to be as do i but i am not going screw up someone else's time in the woods. I check my cams every 2 to 4 weeks so they are always being checked. On private i leave them up year round. On public i am usually April til November, but this year i decided to leave some up through the winter to see how long the animals stay around. So according to some of you thise are abandoned.
I have talked to many people about cams, and through my experience the ones that are against them are the ones that don't want to put in the time, effort or expense that goes into running cams so they think it is wrong and want everyone to do things how they do.
So we as hunters are going be our own downfall like has been mentioned many times. I might not agree with everything that people do when it comes to hunting but even the things i dont agree with i still support 100% as a hunter as long as it is legal. Who am i to judge how other people go about doing what they are doing. So when this state starts taking away cams because a select few don't like them, guess what they will come after something you like next and the people that hot there cams taken away might not support you. So keep that in mind. We should all support each other at all times.
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:tup: that pretty much sums it up! I would just emphasize leave other peoples stuff alone not complicated
Post by: Bob33 on December 21, 2018, 10:32:27 AM
Because the areas I typically hunt are not the easiest to reach, I rarely see evidence that others have been there. I don’t see trail cams very often. If I did see one I wouldn’t mess with it although I would prefer not to see them, just as I prefer not to see vehicle tracks, beer cans, candy wrappers, or any evidence that humans have been there.
Post by: Sandberm on December 21, 2018, 10:38:21 AM
I found a few decoys yesterday with weights wrapped around the bottom in a willow bush next to some small water, surrounded by about 50 empty shotgun shells.
Post by: bigtex on December 21, 2018, 10:46:37 AM
I found a few decoys yesterday with weights wrapped around the bottom in a willow bush next to some small water, surrounded by about 50 empty shotgun shells.WDFW Lands?
Post by: Sandberm on December 21, 2018, 10:47:33 AM
Post by: TommyH on December 21, 2018, 10:50:35 AM
I have been following this thread since it started and some of your guys logic just blows me away. This is why hunters will never get anything accomplished as a user group, because everyone is in it for there own interest. Plain and simple.
I run alot of cameras every year. Half on public half on private. When i put my cams on public i know i am taking the chance of when i come back the next time they might not be there. It is what it is. Out of all the cams i run on public only 2 cams have produced people. One gets the same guy every year and he always gives it a big smile and wave and the other one is a more popular spot and so far everyone smiles and waves. So i have been lucky.
So the question is how do you know if its an abandoned cam. Well you dont unless you screw with it. And as people say if its not yours dont touch it. I come across cams all the time and avoid them when possible. If i come across one unexpectedly i put my head down and keep going. When i put cams up i dont expect it to be my spot, i wont tell people where they are at but if i see someone in the area or what not i will move on and come back later. Its public ground and they have every right to be as do i but i am not going screw up someone else's time in the woods. I check my cams every 2 to 4 weeks so they are always being checked. On private i leave them up year round. On public i am usually April til November, but this year i decided to leave some up through the winter to see how long the animals stay around. So according to some of you thise are abandoned.
I have talked to many people about cams, and through my experience the ones that are against them are the ones that don't want to put in the time, effort or expense that goes into running cams so they think it is wrong and want everyone to do things how they do.
So we as hunters are going be our own downfall like has been mentioned many times. I might not agree with everything that people do when it comes to hunting but even the things i dont agree with i still support 100% as a hunter as long as it is legal. Who am i to judge how other people go about doing what they are doing. So when this state starts taking away cams because a select few don't like them, guess what they will come after something you like next and the people that hot there cams taken away might not support you. So keep that in mind. We should all support each other at all times.
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Spot on. :yeah:
Post by: jackelope on December 21, 2018, 11:59:42 AM
Post by: Alpine Mojo on December 21, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
leave other peoples stuff alone
It always amazes me how difficult this is for some people to understand.
Post by: fast60eddie on December 22, 2018, 06:19:57 AM
leave other peoples stuff alone
It always amazes me how difficult this is for some people to understand.
It amazes me as well. Yesterday there was a hundred dollar bill laying on the ground at the crosswalk. The person next to me asked if I dropped it. I said no, did you drop it? they said no but stole it anyway. This thief just ruined someone’s day. Unbelievable!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 22, 2018, 06:49:01 AM
Post by: fast60eddie on December 22, 2018, 07:17:59 AM
Question for all : I know exactly where a Border Patrol Camera is, should I take it ? I mean, it's OUR camera since we pay for it. It's near the RR tracks taking pictures of the public and illegals. Oh, and the train.
You will have to leave this one. The money was legally extorted. So hands off.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 22, 2018, 07:53:04 AM
Post by: SuperX on December 22, 2018, 08:37:57 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 22, 2018, 08:56:10 AM
I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.Interesting choice of wording...
(i.e.) My own land (public), ...act like the have a prior claim...
Things that make you go hmmmm
Post by: SuperX on December 22, 2018, 09:41:58 AM
I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.
Interesting choice of wording...
(i.e.) My own land (public), ...act like the have a prior claim...
Things that make you go hmmmm
or go huh? what is your point? I don't get it or why you edited my words like you did. Anyway, I wish they were illegal all year round
Post by: Turner89 on December 22, 2018, 12:55:30 PM
:yeah:I have been following this thread since it started and some of your guys logic just blows me away. This is why hunters will never get anything accomplished as a user group, because everyone is in it for there own interest. Plain and simple.
I run alot of cameras every year. Half on public half on private. When i put my cams on public i know i am taking the chance of when i come back the next time they might not be there. It is what it is. Out of all the cams i run on public only 2 cams have produced people. One gets the same guy every year and he always gives it a big smile and wave and the other one is a more popular spot and so far everyone smiles and waves. So i have been lucky.
So the question is how do you know if its an abandoned cam. Well you dont unless you screw with it. And as people say if its not yours dont touch it. I come across cams all the time and avoid them when possible. If i come across one unexpectedly i put my head down and keep going. When i put cams up i dont expect it to be my spot, i wont tell people where they are at but if i see someone in the area or what not i will move on and come back later. Its public ground and they have every right to be as do i but i am not going screw up someone else's time in the woods. I check my cams every 2 to 4 weeks so they are always being checked. On private i leave them up year round. On public i am usually April til November, but this year i decided to leave some up through the winter to see how long the animals stay around. So according to some of you thise are abandoned.
I have talked to many people about cams, and through my experience the ones that are against them are the ones that don't want to put in the time, effort or expense that goes into running cams so they think it is wrong and want everyone to do things how they do.
So we as hunters are going be our own downfall like has been mentioned many times. I might not agree with everything that people do when it comes to hunting but even the things i dont agree with i still support 100% as a hunter as long as it is legal. Who am i to judge how other people go about doing what they are doing. So when this state starts taking away cams because a select few don't like them, guess what they will come after something you like next and the people that hot there cams taken away might not support you. So keep that in mind. We should all support each other at all times.
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Post by: Bob33 on December 26, 2018, 02:29:55 PM
https://komonews.com/news/offbeat/engineer-sabotages-porch-pirates-with-glitter-bomb-trap-fart-spray-and-records-it (https://komonews.com/news/offbeat/engineer-sabotages-porch-pirates-with-glitter-bomb-trap-fart-spray-and-records-it)
Post by: Dan-o on December 26, 2018, 04:04:51 PM
The solution to a similar issue.
https://komonews.com/news/offbeat/engineer-sabotages-porch-pirates-with-glitter-bomb-trap-fart-spray-and-records-it (https://komonews.com/news/offbeat/engineer-sabotages-porch-pirates-with-glitter-bomb-trap-fart-spray-and-records-it)
:yike: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 28, 2018, 02:30:50 PM
I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.
Interesting choice of wording...
(i.e.) My own land (public), ...act like the have a prior claim...
Things that make you go hmmmm
or go huh? what is your point? I don't get it or why you edited my words like you did. Anyway, I wish they were illegal all year round
I did not edit your quote in any way, nor change your meaning or intent.
To paraphrase, You said that you don't like other peoples stuff on YOUR (public) land. AND then you go on to say that OTHERS act like they have a prior CLAIM to YOUR public land.
Still odd and strangely humorous that you don't see it. :dunno: So excuse me while I :chuckle: ... I found it humorous!
Post by: LDennis24 on December 28, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
Post by: SuperX on December 28, 2018, 06:06:42 PM
I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.
Interesting choice of wording...
(i.e.) My own land (public), ...act like the have a prior claim...
Things that make you go hmmmm
or go huh? what is your point? I don't get it or why you edited my words like you did. Anyway, I wish they were illegal all year round
I did not edit your quote in any way, nor change your meaning or intent.
To paraphrase, You said that you don't like other peoples stuff on YOUR (public) land. AND then you go on to say that OTHERS act like they have a prior CLAIM to YOUR public land.
Still odd and strangely humorous that you don't see it. :dunno: So excuse me while I :chuckle: ... I found it humorous!
Ah, I get it. You did split up my (i.e. public) and paraphrase my words as a result, no biggie, I can see the humor in it. To be clear though, I don't say I don't like stuff on my land, I say I feel like I'm trespassing.
Cameras are problematic for women in the woods, I've squatted in front of at least one trail cam while hunting, I don't know how many others I didn't see over the years.
I don't use them, as you can probably tell, but I don't mind them for private land at all. I feel the same about ATVs.
Post by: KFhunter on December 28, 2018, 06:27:28 PM
J/K :chuckle:
Seriously though LOL someone was trying to get me out of "their" Elk area and started messing with my camera's.
I did some more scouting around the area and found their cameras so I pulled mine and left.
I found their pee marks and they had erased SD cards, my bait gone.
Post by: SuperX on December 28, 2018, 06:35:05 PM
So it was YOU who was pee'n in front of my trail camera!Ha! so now camera = ownership? I have heard of some water holes with 40+ cameras on them, nobody messes with anyone's cameras. The problem is the hunters more than the cameras themselves in your case. Sorry you got run out of there
J/K :chuckle:
Seriously though LOL someone was trying to get me out of "their" Elk area and started messing with my camera's.
I did some more scouting around the area and found their cameras so I pulled mine and left.
I found their pee marks and they had erased SD cards, my bait gone.
Post by: KFhunter on December 28, 2018, 06:48:11 PM
besides, I figured out we were hunting different seasons anyways (Archery vs Muzzle)
Post by: JWEBB on December 28, 2018, 08:25:15 PM
I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.
Interesting choice of wording...
(i.e.) My own land (public), ...act like the have a prior claim...
Things that make you go hmmmm
or go huh? what is your point? I don't get it or why you edited my words like you did. Anyway, I wish they were illegal all year round
I did not edit your quote in any way, nor change your meaning or intent.
To paraphrase, You said that you don't like other peoples stuff on YOUR (public) land. AND then you go on to say that OTHERS act like they have a prior CLAIM to YOUR public land.
Still odd and strangely humorous that you don't see it. :dunno: So excuse me while I :chuckle: ... I found it humorous!
Ah, I get it. You did split up my (i.e. public) and paraphrase my words as a result, no biggie, I can see the humor in it. To be clear though, I don't say I don't like stuff on my land, I say I feel like I'm trespassing.
Cameras are problematic for women in the woods, I've squatted in front of at least one trail cam while hunting, I don't know how many others I didn't see over the years.
I don't use them, as you can probably tell, but I don't mind them for private land at all. I feel the same about ATVs.
Your chances of getting caught on a cam peeing in the woods are probably 1 in a million. I suggest you go hunt an area farther off the road if they worry you. Public restrooms are where you need to worry nowadays
Post by: SuperX on December 29, 2018, 08:15:25 AM
I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.
Interesting choice of wording...
(i.e.) My own land (public), ...act like the have a prior claim...
Things that make you go hmmmm
or go huh? what is your point? I don't get it or why you edited my words like you did. Anyway, I wish they were illegal all year round
I did not edit your quote in any way, nor change your meaning or intent.
To paraphrase, You said that you don't like other peoples stuff on YOUR (public) land. AND then you go on to say that OTHERS act like they have a prior CLAIM to YOUR public land.
Still odd and strangely humorous that you don't see it. :dunno: So excuse me while I :chuckle: ... I found it humorous!
Ah, I get it. You did split up my (i.e. public) and paraphrase my words as a result, no biggie, I can see the humor in it. To be clear though, I don't say I don't like stuff on my land, I say I feel like I'm trespassing.
Cameras are problematic for women in the woods, I've squatted in front of at least one trail cam while hunting, I don't know how many others I didn't see over the years.
I don't use them, as you can probably tell, but I don't mind them for private land at all. I feel the same about ATVs.
Your chances of getting caught on a cam peeing in the woods are probably 1 in a million. I suggest you go hunt an area farther off the road if they worry you. Public restrooms are where you need to worry nowadays
it must be rare, usually I see them and crap behind the tree their strapped to. Mischief Managed!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 29, 2018, 09:19:07 AM
Post by: Remnar on December 29, 2018, 11:49:09 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 29, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
Couple years ago a coworker was headed up a mainline just before daylight and nature called so he whipped up a small spur to an old landing . He said he walked about 20 yards into brush and did his duty as he was buttoning up it was a little lighter and he noticed a cam pointed right at him . :o Somebody got a helluva pic ! :yike:
I would have pulled the SD card in that instance and erased all images of myself.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 29, 2018, 12:07:23 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 29, 2018, 01:25:01 PM
I saw a bunch of abandoned game cams at Cabelas.Hopefully you weren't taking a dump.
Post by: 3nails on December 29, 2018, 01:49:26 PM
:chuckle:I saw a bunch of abandoned game cams at Cabelas.Hopefully you weren't taking a dump.
Post by: Alpine Mojo on December 29, 2018, 04:00:28 PM
I saw a bunch of abandoned game cams at Cabelas.Hopefully you weren't taking a dump.
Reason to be proud of your adult contribution to the discussion?
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2018, 04:12:01 PM
I saw a bunch of abandoned game cams at Cabelas.Hopefully you weren't taking a dump.
Reason to be proud of your adult contribution to the discussion?
LOL
When did this thread turn adult?
Certain people* have expressed their opinion over and over again, while belittling those of a differing opinion.
I'm still smiling at the thought of you referring to this thread as an adult conversation.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 29, 2018, 05:08:47 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 29, 2018, 06:31:04 PM
Man, all this talk about adult stuff is for another thread. If you don't want your stuff tampered with don't leave it unattended on public land. Clearly alot of people who go in the woods are immature thieves who would take $100 blowing in the wind without even batting an eye! Didn't you read the whole thread. Maybe these people think the cams are for the public to see what's been there before they got there. Like a Geo cache where you take an item and leave another item. Anyone ever found one of those? It's all coming to light now! These are Geo cached cameras! From now on if you find a camera post it's coordinates online so others can try to find it too! :chuckle:
LOL
Post by: 3nails on December 29, 2018, 06:32:19 PM
Man, all this talk about adult stuff is for another thread. If you don't want your stuff tampered with don't leave it unattended on public land. Clearly alot of people who go in the woods are immature thieves who would take $100 blowing in the wind without even batting an eye! Didn't you read the whole thread. Maybe these people think the cams are for the public to see what's been there before they got there. Like a Geo cache where you take an item and leave another item. Anyone ever found one of those? It's all coming to light now! These are Geo cached cameras! From now on if you find a camera post it's coordinates online so others can try to find it too! :chuckle:Oddly, that's actually an interesting idea. You find the cam, post the pics it took of you and relocate it for the next person. :hello:
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 30, 2018, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: Twispriver on December 30, 2018, 08:05:10 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 30, 2018, 08:30:59 PM
Post by: davk on January 28, 2019, 06:53:10 PM
Post by: davk on January 28, 2019, 07:00:04 PM
I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.Wish I wouldnt have started reading more of this thread. This is the dumbest thing I have read today ... and Ive been writing reps all day on all the dumb bills being introduced.
I get pissed off when I see vehicles parked at MY gate at MY public land! When I see someone on MY public land in MY spot I get pissed off and start yelling and shooting into the ground. Acting like they get to hunt that spot because they were there first. SMH! :tup: :bash:
Post by: grundy53 on January 28, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
I kind of like Montana's law on trail cameras - no cameras during open hunting seasons - it sure eliminates the confusion on whether or not a camera has been abandoned.I'm pretty sure they repealed that?
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Post by: Thermal Predator Control on January 29, 2019, 08:28:17 PM
Post by: Atroxus on January 30, 2019, 08:33:24 PM
I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.
Wish I wouldnt have started reading more of this thread. This is the dumbest thing I have read today ... and Ive been writing reps all day on all the dumb bills being introduced.
I get pissed off when I see vehicles parked at MY gate at MY public land! When I see someone on MY public land in MY spot I get pissed off and start yelling and shooting into the ground. Acting like they get to hunt that spot because they were there first. SMH! :tup: :bash:
So you are saying that if you put your camera up on a tree last year and I find that spot, I can't hunt it because you staked your claim on it with your camera? :o If so,you kind of proved SuperX's point.
Post by: Lucky1 on January 30, 2019, 08:45:37 PM
Uh, I kind of think that there is some sarcasm going on in davks post.I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.
Wish I wouldnt have started reading more of this thread. This is the dumbest thing I have read today ... and Ive been writing reps all day on all the dumb bills being introduced.
I get pissed off when I see vehicles parked at MY gate at MY public land! When I see someone on MY public land in MY spot I get pissed off and start yelling and shooting into the ground. Acting like they get to hunt that spot because they were there first. SMH! :tup: :bash:
So you are saying that if you put your camera up on a tree last year and I find that spot, I can't hunt it because you staked your claim on it with your camera? :o If so,you kind of proved SuperX's point.
Post by: davk on February 01, 2019, 06:05:42 PM
I did kinda drift into what SuperX said with people acting like they own a spot since they have a camera up. Not really what I was getting at ... Im sure people do act like that. Just going at his feeling like hes tresspassing on OUR(ie public) land ......Uh, I kind of think that there is some sarcasm going on in davks post.I wish they were all illegal, they make me feel like I'm trespassing on my own (i.e. public) land, every time I run across one. Also makes people act like they have a prior claim to the first come first served rule.
Wish I wouldnt have started reading more of this thread. This is the dumbest thing I have read today ... and Ive been writing reps all day on all the dumb bills being introduced.
I get pissed off when I see vehicles parked at MY gate at MY public land! When I see someone on MY public land in MY spot I get pissed off and start yelling and shooting into the ground. Acting like they get to hunt that spot because they were there first. SMH! :tup: :bash:
So you are saying that if you put your camera up on a tree last year and I find that spot, I can't hunt it because you staked your claim on it with your camera? :o If so,you kind of proved SuperX's point.
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 02, 2019, 08:15:40 AM
I saw a bunch of abandoned game cams at Cabelas.
I stopped by Cabela's last night to look at Scopes and figured I would look for some abonadoned cams like you seen dano and low and behold I found like 100 there but these guys wearing "security coats" said there not abandoned. I told them they were just sitting on the shelf so someone abandoned them and didn't come back to take them down, they wanted to call the cops and blah blah blah, dano maybe we should stop by together and help them clean up, I seen way more stuff abandoned and I might need some help :chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on February 02, 2019, 10:17:41 AM
No but I dare ya to buy/ purchase game cam from cabelas and set it about 100 feet from the front door .And see how long it takes before it's gone. :chuckle: :chuckle:I saw a bunch of abandoned game cams at Cabelas.
I stopped by Cabela's last night to look at Scopes and figured I would look for some abonadoned cams like you seen dano and low and behold I found like 100 there but these guys wearing "security coats" said there not abandoned. I told them they were just sitting on the shelf so someone abandoned them and didn't come back to take them down, they wanted to call the cops and blah blah blah, dano maybe we should stop by together and help them clean up, I seen way more stuff abandoned and I might need some help :chuckle:
Maybe even strap it on one of those log posts outside the door. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on February 02, 2019, 07:57:20 PM