Post by: Cervus on September 25, 2018, 04:05:02 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on September 25, 2018, 04:23:22 PM
Another member posted his "Mt view unit" elk hunt and stated he met Mr Rinella and took pics in that unit.:yeah:
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Post by: NumaJohn on September 26, 2018, 08:11:17 AM
Beware podcasts from Green Decoys-identified land-grabbin' and anti-huntin' eco-terrorists!!! This bull is probably made of tofu!
Kidding. Rinella is a great spokesperson for hunting, public land, and conservation overall. Looking forward to learning about this hunt.
John
Post by: elkrack on September 26, 2018, 08:31:34 AM
Post by: mburrows on September 26, 2018, 08:46:35 AM
Did I read that Rinella moved from Seattle back to Montana?
Yeah hes here in Bozeman now.
Post by: yakimanoob on September 26, 2018, 11:31:25 AM
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 26, 2018, 12:01:33 PM
Stud bull for sure! @ Shawn Ryan did you run into him on your hunt?
Yes, I did. The night he got there and text messages during the hunt. Mine was one of the two trucks he mentions in the podcast being parked in the spot they first drove to. Talked with him awhile about who was hunting where and what we had been seeing. He accurately states that the conversations were really open and honest about who was seeing what and where. Interesting to hear him talk about the hunt and stopping by the camp where they wanted to hunt. I talked and ate (they fed me) with those hunters several times. Really good guys.
Steve was very conscious of how large of a footprint his crew made on the landscape and did not want to impact other hunters' experience. I found that profound. I enjoy his podcast and show and found him to be the same guy for the time that I talked with him: genuine, nice, funny, conscientious.
I'm sure I came off as some groupie when I instantly recognized him and bewilderedly asked "Steve Rinella? As in Meat Eater?" when he first turned around and prior to him even saying hello.
Post by: elkrack on September 26, 2018, 12:12:48 PM
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Post by: huntnfmly on September 26, 2018, 12:25:47 PM
Thanks
Post by: mburrows on September 26, 2018, 01:00:02 PM
Not to Jack the thread which podcast number is this hunt on couldn't find it.
Thanks
135 - listening to it on Spotify right now.
Post by: huntnfmly on September 26, 2018, 01:04:55 PM
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Post by: Dan-o on September 26, 2018, 04:36:37 PM
Stud bull for sure! @ Shawn Ryan did you run into him on your hunt?
Yes, I did. The night he got there and text messages during the hunt. Mine was one of the two trucks he mentions in the podcast being parked in the spot they first drove to. Talked with him awhile about who was hunting where and what we had been seeing. He accurately states that the conversations were really open and honest about who was seeing what and where. Interesting to hear him talk about the hunt and stopping by the camp where they wanted to hunt. I talked and ate (they fed me) with those hunters several times. Really good guys.
Steve was very conscious of how large of a footprint his crew made on the landscape and did not want to impact other hunters' experience. I found that profound. I enjoy his podcast and show and found him to be the same guy for the time that I talked with him: genuine, nice, funny, conscientious.
I'm sure I came off as some groupie when I instantly recognized him and bewilderedly asked "Steve Rinella? As in Meat Eater?" when he first turned around and prior to him even saying hello.
Very happy to hear this.
He comes across as such a decent guy, I'm glad he acted that way with.
I only watch a couple shows... His is one of them.
Post by: elkoholic1 on September 26, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
Post by: JWEBB on September 26, 2018, 04:42:58 PM
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
Real class act
Post by: Stein on September 26, 2018, 04:48:58 PM
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
Real class act
He doesn't live in WA, 95% sure he won't put in for the draw here and even if he did, what's the chance of drawing quality elk again?
I think many people are pretty open about the hard to draw tags. You really aren't competing with anyone once the draw happens.
Post by: KFhunter on September 26, 2018, 04:51:24 PM
(can't' blame him :chuckle: )
Post by: Watimberghost on September 26, 2018, 04:52:15 PM
Wow what a bull! We need more guys like him...he has by far the best show on TV :tup::yeah:
Post by: Shawn Ryan on September 26, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
I understand your sentiments and am not discounting your position. Its valid. Don't know that I need to defend Steve, but I've clearly done the same or more on my Mt. View Unit thread. He did say on the podcast that because the unit is so hard to draw, that everyone he encountered was surprisingly open about sharing information. I found the same to be true prior to the hunt and while on the hunt. Prior to the hunt, I was told by many forum members of exactly where they had hunted, seen elk, and how to go about the hunt. Some of that information spanned as much as 40 years of experience in the unit, mostly spike hunting. Where else do strangers share 40 years of boot-leather-earned-experience?!
I talked with at least 6 other tag holders during the hunt and more after. Every single one of them shared detailed information with me about what they were seeing and where they were hunting, including substantially more detailed information than what Steve shared on his podcast. I reciprocated with exact information about my hunts.
That level of sharing is one of the unique and cool aspects of a limited draw tag: no BS. No dodging the questions. No obfuscation. No looking down and kicking the dirt as a guy can't maintain eye contact because he's about to lie to me. Just guys having an incredible hunt, sharing details, knowing that there are so many quality bulls in awesome, but difficult country, that sharing the information would not negatively impact any of our experience.
The draw odds may likely decrease. That has as much to do with the huge bull Steve shot as it does with his sharing. But knowing there are 8x8 bulls in the Mt. View unit is not a secret. And come'on, the draw odds in Mt. View already suck. If more guys choose to apply for Mt.View, then that leaves less guys choosing East Wenaha, Tucannon, Peaches, etc., so it all comes out in the wash.
I really do hope you get a chance to draw Mt. View. Its incredible. Incredibly great hunting of big bulls and incredibly rugged terrain. I'll suggest that even a spike hunt in there would be incredible. Heck, humping meat out of Wenatchee Creek canyon is darn hard work, but worthwhile, no matter whether the antlers are spikes or heavy branched 8x8's.
Whether the draw odds change or not, I'll be applying with no points. And if you get drawn, hit me up. I'll share details, want to hunt with you, and won't complain (much) packing meat with you out of some hole.
Post by: WoolyRunner on September 26, 2018, 05:08:41 PM
Post by: caseyv21 on September 26, 2018, 05:15:24 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on September 26, 2018, 05:16:15 PM
The new one is called Titillation, search for meateater:yeah:
Him and his wife just Bought a house in Seattle last year I think it was.
When did they move out of Washington?
Post by: MHWASH on September 26, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
Ya, because it was such a secret before.
Post by: Jimmybelltown on September 26, 2018, 06:26:30 PM
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Post by: jstone on September 26, 2018, 07:34:46 PM
Why in the world would he move to Seattle.??? That’s the big question ?
Post by: Jason on September 26, 2018, 07:41:30 PM
He has the best show. The majority of the shows just play for the camera. Getting a little ridiculous with most of them.
Why in the world would he move to Seattle.??? That’s the big question ?
Same reason he moved from New York City, his wife!
Post by: CedarPants on September 26, 2018, 07:43:46 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 26, 2018, 07:48:33 PM
I may or may not have binge watched the heck out of MeatEater on Netflix at the lake this summer when it was too smokey to go outside :chuckle:
:chuckle: i did the same thing when I heard it was on there. Was pretty upset though because theres only 2 seasons on there... :bash: :'(
Post by: jmscon on September 26, 2018, 08:09:11 PM
Post by: actionshooter on September 26, 2018, 08:31:47 PM
VERY well said Shawn!!I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
I understand your sentiments and am not discounting your position. Its valid. Don't know that I need to defend Steve, but I've clearly done the same or more on my Mt. View Unit thread. He did say on the podcast that because the unit is so hard to draw, that everyone he encountered was surprisingly open about sharing information. I found the same to be true prior to the hunt and while on the hunt. Prior to the hunt, I was told by many forum members of exactly where they had hunted, seen elk, and how to go about the hunt. Some of that information spanned as much as 40 years of experience in the unit, mostly spike hunting. Where else do strangers share 40 years of boot-leather-earned-experience?!
I talked with at least 6 other tag holders during the hunt and more after. Every single one of them shared detailed information with me about what they were seeing and where they were hunting, including substantially more detailed information than what Steve shared on his podcast. I reciprocated with exact information about my hunts.
That level of sharing is one of the unique and cool aspects of a limited draw tag: no BS. No dodging the questions. No obfuscation. No looking down and kicking the dirt as a guy can't maintain eye contact because he's about to lie to me. Just guys having an incredible hunt, sharing details, knowing that there are so many quality bulls in awesome, but difficult country, that sharing the information would not negatively impact any of our experience.
The draw odds may likely decrease. That has as much to do with the huge bull Steve shot as it does with his sharing. But knowing there are 8x8 bulls in the Mt. View unit is not a secret. And come'on, the draw odds in Mt. View already suck. If more guys choose to apply for Mt.View, then that leaves less guys choosing East Wenaha, Tucannon, Peaches, etc., so it all comes out in the wash.
I really do hope you get a chance to draw Mt. View. Its incredible. Incredibly great hunting of big bulls and incredibly rugged terrain. I'll suggest that even a spike hunt in there would be incredible. Heck, humping meat out of Wenatchee Creek canyon is darn hard work, but worthwhile, no matter whether the antlers are spikes or heavy branched 8x8's.
Whether the draw odds change or not, I'll be applying with no points. And if you get drawn, hit me up. I'll share details, want to hunt with you, and won't complain (much) packing meat with you out of some hole.
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 26, 2018, 09:08:23 PM
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
Real class act
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
I understand your sentiments and am not discounting your position. Its valid. Don't know that I need to defend Steve, but I've clearly done the same or more on my Mt. View Unit thread. He did say on the podcast that because the unit is so hard to draw, that everyone he encountered was surprisingly open about sharing information. I found the same to be true prior to the hunt and while on the hunt. Prior to the hunt, I was told by many forum members of exactly where they had hunted, seen elk, and how to go about the hunt. Some of that information spanned as much as 40 years of experience in the unit, mostly spike hunting. Where else do strangers share 40 years of boot-leather-earned-experience?!
I talked with at least 6 other tag holders during the hunt and more after. Every single one of them shared detailed information with me about what they were seeing and where they were hunting, including substantially more detailed information than what Steve shared on his podcast. I reciprocated with exact information about my hunts.
That level of sharing is one of the unique and cool aspects of a limited draw tag: no BS. No dodging the questions. No obfuscation. No looking down and kicking the dirt as a guy can't maintain eye contact because he's about to lie to me. Just guys having an incredible hunt, sharing details, knowing that there are so many quality bulls in awesome, but difficult country, that sharing the information would not negatively impact any of our experience.
The draw odds may likely decrease. That has as much to do with the huge bull Steve shot as it does with his sharing. But knowing there are 8x8 bulls in the Mt. View unit is not a secret. And come'on, the draw odds in Mt. View already suck. If more guys choose to apply for Mt.View, then that leaves less guys choosing East Wenaha, Tucannon, Peaches, etc., so it all comes out in the wash.
I really do hope you get a chance to draw Mt. View. Its incredible. Incredibly great hunting of big bulls and incredibly rugged terrain. I'll suggest that even a spike hunt in there would be incredible. Heck, humping meat out of Wenatchee Creek canyon is darn hard work, but worthwhile, no matter whether the antlers are spikes or heavy branched 8x8's.
Whether the draw odds change or not, I'll be applying with no points. And if you get drawn, hit me up. I'll share details, want to hunt with you, and won't complain (much) packing meat with you out of some hole.
Apparently I've offended some people by speaking ill of Steve Rinella (even though I didn't and I am about as big a fan as anybody) and I don't know that me saying "I was a little disappointed" needs any defending, I wasn't bashing on the guy by any means. But I have never heard him go into such detail after any other successful hunt like he did on this one, going so far as to name the unit, specific drainages and even trailheads. Obviously nothing is a complete secret anymore but the fact is, compared to other elk hunts of this same quality Mt. View is not a tough draw. Last year 126 guys applied for 15 tags for 1 in 8 odds not factoring in preference points. So no, the draw odds actually don't suck. Or at least they didn't. In fact they're about as good as it gets this day and age for an elk hunt of this quality. So excuse me for being a little bummed when I hear somebody shouting it from the rooftops on a national platform with tens of thousands of listeners! I am as happy for Steve as the next guy, super glad he got to go in there and kill a fantastic bull. It's just my PERSONAL OPINION that anybody with that amount of clout and that large of a following in the outdoor industry should have some respect for the local guys and not completely blow out an area to the masses after they have enjoyed some success. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: NumaJohn on September 26, 2018, 09:12:20 PM
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/steven_rinella_public_land_owner
John
Post by: huntnnw on September 26, 2018, 09:36:21 PM
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
Real class act
someone posted 2018 apps for Mt view and it has way more apps this year.. muzzy was 100 last year and 154 this year rifle jumped a bunchI was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
I understand your sentiments and am not discounting your position. Its valid. Don't know that I need to defend Steve, but I've clearly done the same or more on my Mt. View Unit thread. He did say on the podcast that because the unit is so hard to draw, that everyone he encountered was surprisingly open about sharing information. I found the same to be true prior to the hunt and while on the hunt. Prior to the hunt, I was told by many forum members of exactly where they had hunted, seen elk, and how to go about the hunt. Some of that information spanned as much as 40 years of experience in the unit, mostly spike hunting. Where else do strangers share 40 years of boot-leather-earned-experience?!
I talked with at least 6 other tag holders during the hunt and more after. Every single one of them shared detailed information with me about what they were seeing and where they were hunting, including substantially more detailed information than what Steve shared on his podcast. I reciprocated with exact information about my hunts.
That level of sharing is one of the unique and cool aspects of a limited draw tag: no BS. No dodging the questions. No obfuscation. No looking down and kicking the dirt as a guy can't maintain eye contact because he's about to lie to me. Just guys having an incredible hunt, sharing details, knowing that there are so many quality bulls in awesome, but difficult country, that sharing the information would not negatively impact any of our experience.
The draw odds may likely decrease. That has as much to do with the huge bull Steve shot as it does with his sharing. But knowing there are 8x8 bulls in the Mt. View unit is not a secret. And come'on, the draw odds in Mt. View already suck. If more guys choose to apply for Mt.View, then that leaves less guys choosing East Wenaha, Tucannon, Peaches, etc., so it all comes out in the wash.
I really do hope you get a chance to draw Mt. View. Its incredible. Incredibly great hunting of big bulls and incredibly rugged terrain. I'll suggest that even a spike hunt in there would be incredible. Heck, humping meat out of Wenatchee Creek canyon is darn hard work, but worthwhile, no matter whether the antlers are spikes or heavy branched 8x8's.
Whether the draw odds change or not, I'll be applying with no points. And if you get drawn, hit me up. I'll share details, want to hunt with you, and won't complain (much) packing meat with you out of some hole.
Apparently I've offended some people by speaking ill of Steve Rinella (even though I didn't and I am about as big a fan as anybody) and I don't know that me saying "I was a little disappointed" needs any defending, I wasn't bashing on the guy by any means. But I have never heard him go into such detail after any other successful hunt like he did on this one, going so far as to name the unit, specific drainages and even trailheads. Obviously nothing is a complete secret anymore but the fact is, compared to other elk hunts of this same quality Mt. View is not a tough draw. Last year 126 guys applied for 15 tags for 1 in 8 odds not factoring in preference points. So no, the draw odds actually don't suck. Or at least they didn't. In fact they're about as good as it gets this day and age for an elk hunt of this quality. So excuse me for being a little bummed when I hear somebody shouting it from the rooftops on a national platform with tens of thousands of listeners! I am as happy for Steve as the next guy, super glad he got to go in there and kill a fantastic bull. It's just my PERSONAL OPINION that anybody with that amount of clout and that large of a following in the outdoor industry should have some respect for the local guys and not completely blow out an area to the masses after they have enjoyed some success. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: greenhead_killer on September 27, 2018, 07:06:21 AM
Great bull btw. Can’t wait to hear the podcast on this.
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 07:23:25 AM
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
Real class act
someone posted 2018 apps for Mt view and it has way more apps this year.. muzzy was 100 last year and 154 this year rifle jumped a bunchI was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
I understand your sentiments and am not discounting your position. Its valid. Don't know that I need to defend Steve, but I've clearly done the same or more on my Mt. View Unit thread. He did say on the podcast that because the unit is so hard to draw, that everyone he encountered was surprisingly open about sharing information. I found the same to be true prior to the hunt and while on the hunt. Prior to the hunt, I was told by many forum members of exactly where they had hunted, seen elk, and how to go about the hunt. Some of that information spanned as much as 40 years of experience in the unit, mostly spike hunting. Where else do strangers share 40 years of boot-leather-earned-experience?!
I talked with at least 6 other tag holders during the hunt and more after. Every single one of them shared detailed information with me about what they were seeing and where they were hunting, including substantially more detailed information than what Steve shared on his podcast. I reciprocated with exact information about my hunts.
That level of sharing is one of the unique and cool aspects of a limited draw tag: no BS. No dodging the questions. No obfuscation. No looking down and kicking the dirt as a guy can't maintain eye contact because he's about to lie to me. Just guys having an incredible hunt, sharing details, knowing that there are so many quality bulls in awesome, but difficult country, that sharing the information would not negatively impact any of our experience.
The draw odds may likely decrease. That has as much to do with the huge bull Steve shot as it does with his sharing. But knowing there are 8x8 bulls in the Mt. View unit is not a secret. And come'on, the draw odds in Mt. View already suck. If more guys choose to apply for Mt.View, then that leaves less guys choosing East Wenaha, Tucannon, Peaches, etc., so it all comes out in the wash.
I really do hope you get a chance to draw Mt. View. Its incredible. Incredibly great hunting of big bulls and incredibly rugged terrain. I'll suggest that even a spike hunt in there would be incredible. Heck, humping meat out of Wenatchee Creek canyon is darn hard work, but worthwhile, no matter whether the antlers are spikes or heavy branched 8x8's.
Whether the draw odds change or not, I'll be applying with no points. And if you get drawn, hit me up. I'll share details, want to hunt with you, and won't complain (much) packing meat with you out of some hole.
Apparently I've offended some people by speaking ill of Steve Rinella (even though I didn't and I am about as big a fan as anybody) and I don't know that me saying "I was a little disappointed" needs any defending, I wasn't bashing on the guy by any means. But I have never heard him go into such detail after any other successful hunt like he did on this one, going so far as to name the unit, specific drainages and even trailheads. Obviously nothing is a complete secret anymore but the fact is, compared to other elk hunts of this same quality Mt. View is not a tough draw. Last year 126 guys applied for 15 tags for 1 in 8 odds not factoring in preference points. So no, the draw odds actually don't suck. Or at least they didn't. In fact they're about as good as it gets this day and age for an elk hunt of this quality. So excuse me for being a little bummed when I hear somebody shouting it from the rooftops on a national platform with tens of thousands of listeners! I am as happy for Steve as the next guy, super glad he got to go in there and kill a fantastic bull. It's just my PERSONAL OPINION that anybody with that amount of clout and that large of a following in the outdoor industry should have some respect for the local guys and not completely blow out an area to the masses after they have enjoyed some success. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
I totally agree.
Happy for all the successful hunters and love the sharing of stories that are done so well, but the listing of the specific units and the commercialization of hunting these days is a joke.
Let's not forget for one minute that some are in this to profit.
The more heads they turn.......................The more money they make.
Post by: jackelope on September 27, 2018, 07:47:56 AM
:twocents:
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 27, 2018, 07:54:22 AM
I'm now ready to be in my conquest for wa. Trophies hunts!!! :chuckle:
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 07:58:44 AM
Drop the life boats gentlemen.
Post by: jackelope on September 27, 2018, 08:22:24 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 27, 2018, 08:31:31 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 27, 2018, 08:33:13 AM
Oh I meant trophy mt goats in the goat rocks wilderness. There was this 1 TV personality and highly paid internet moderator who posted locations and pics and a ton of trophy goat info for there so I'll now go there. :chuckle:
I'll go with you. I'd like to learn those spots.
Post by: CedarPants on September 27, 2018, 08:36:06 AM
Those of you who think that the Rinella hunt podcast or the Shawn Ryan hunt thread on the forum here blew the odds of drawing a tag in the Blues seemingly have never applied for an elk hunt in the Blues. Those odds have been ridiculous forever.
:twocents:
Exactly.
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 08:50:51 AM
No promises the heavily loaded life boats will float on the stormy seas of WA .
Post by: Timberstalker on September 27, 2018, 09:01:38 AM
Post by: LongBomb on September 27, 2018, 09:14:53 AM
Sweet, now i know. Trophy bulls in the mt view unit, trophy rams in the swakane, trophy bucks in entiat/desert, mt goats in mt Baker!!!!!
I'm now ready to be in my conquest for wa. Trophies hunts!!! :chuckle:
:chuckle: Plat just don't expose the moose unit or else my odds are gonna plummit!
Post by: jackelope on September 27, 2018, 09:16:05 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on September 27, 2018, 09:24:01 AM
A better question/concern/cause for uprising is that Rinella has been a resident for like 3? years? WAs he buying non-res licenses and applying all these years or was there a TV hunting celebrity conspiracy that allowed him to draw a tag with 3-ish points???Sounds like as soon as he drew he moved to Montana. I don't blame him at all for that.
Post by: Holg3107 on September 27, 2018, 09:26:53 AM
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A better question/concern/cause for uprising is that Rinella has been a resident for like 3? years? WAs he buying non-res licenses and applying all these years or was there a TV hunting celebrity conspiracy that allowed him to draw a tag with 3-ish points???
Not sure why you would throw the Celebrity conspiracy theory out there since there are also two guys on the Mt. View thread that have each drawn the tag twice within the last 4 years? Drawing that tag with 3-6 points doesnt sound like its all that uncommon. We hear people every year drawing a big tag with 1-3 points.
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
QuoteA better question/concern/cause for uprising is that Rinella has been a resident for like 3? years? WAs he buying non-res licenses and applying all these years or was there a TV hunting celebrity conspiracy that allowed him to draw a tag with 3-ish points???
Not sure why you would throw the Celebrity conspiracy theory out there since there are also two guys on the Mt. View thread that have each drawn the tag twice within the last 4 years? Drawing that tag with 3-6 points doesnt sound like its all that uncommon. We hear people every year drawing a big tag with 1-3 points.
You forgot the turn in a poacher bonus point option.
Perhaps some pad their odds?
Post by: full choke on September 27, 2018, 09:31:58 AM
A better question/concern/cause for uprising is that Rinella has been a resident for like 3? years? WAs he buying non-res licenses and applying all these years or was there a TV hunting celebrity conspiracy that allowed him to draw a tag with 3-ish points???
Maybe he just got lucky with 2 or 3 pts? Could easily happen.
My son is 15- will be 16 in December.
He has 7 youth deer points and 7 youth elk points. Couldn't draw a ******* tag for a doe or cow. Yet I know guys with kids who draw every year. **it happens.
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 09:32:31 AM
Sweet, now i know. Trophy bulls in the mt view unit, trophy rams in the swakane, trophy bucks in entiat/desert, mt goats in mt Baker!!!!!
I'm now ready to be in my conquest for wa. Trophies hunts!!! :chuckle:
:chuckle: Plat just don't expose the moose unit or else my odds are gonna plummit!
I heard the Pheasant hunting around White Swan is off the charts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 27, 2018, 09:44:49 AM
Sweet, now i know. Trophy bulls in the mt view unit, trophy rams in the swakane, trophy bucks in entiat/desert, mt goats in mt Baker!!!!!
I'm now ready to be in my conquest for wa. Trophies hunts!!! :chuckle:
:chuckle: Plat just don't expose the moose unit or else my odds are gonna plummit!
Oh yeah, I forgot about moose, the n.e.
Post by: SpurInSpokane on September 27, 2018, 09:45:16 AM
A better question/concern/cause for uprising is that Rinella has been a resident for like 3? years? WAs he buying non-res licenses and applying all these years or was there a TV hunting celebrity conspiracy that allowed him to draw a tag with 3-ish points???
I believe in the podcast he said he drew w/ 6 points.
Post by: trophyhunt on September 27, 2018, 10:31:32 AM
Hey...just ask @trophyhuntyeah, it’s all about luck
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 27, 2018, 10:40:58 AM
Those of you who think that the Rinella hunt podcast or the Shawn Ryan hunt thread on the forum here blew the odds of drawing a tag in the Blues seemingly have never applied for an elk hunt in the Blues. Those odds have been ridiculous forever.
:twocents:
Exactly.
You guys consider 126 apps for 15 tags ridiculous odds? That’s my whole point. This unit wasn’t the colockum or even the wenaha when talking draw odds, but it will be soon.
Post by: jackelope on September 27, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
Those of you who think that the Rinella hunt podcast or the Shawn Ryan hunt thread on the forum here blew the odds of drawing a tag in the Blues seemingly have never applied for an elk hunt in the Blues. Those odds have been ridiculous forever.
:twocents:
Exactly.
You guys consider 126 apps for 15 tags ridiculous odds? That’s my whole point. This unit wasn’t the colockum or even the wenaha when talking draw odds, but it will be soon.
My whole point was that a little talk about a specific unit isn't going to kill the already horrible odds of drawing an elk tag in the Blues. Rinella can talk all he wants on a podcast, but the majority of people listening to them 1-aren't from Washington and 2-99.9% of non-residents won't want to pay the non-refundable $607.50 just to be able to apply for the hunts with the bad odds.
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 11:00:27 AM
Post by: CedarPants on September 27, 2018, 11:09:45 AM
If proprietary information is safe to advertise then why have patent laws???????????
I wasn't aware someone had a patent on the proprietary information that people take big bulls out of that unit every year :dunno:
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 11:19:13 AM
Look in Section 36, Page 271, Paragraph 3.01 of the WA Sportsman's Code.
Post by: CedarPants on September 27, 2018, 11:30:23 AM
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 11:34:54 AM
Post by: CedarPants on September 27, 2018, 11:40:06 AM
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 11:43:07 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on September 27, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
That's pretty good odds to draw and I agree you are going to see an increase in people applying for that hunt.Those of you who think that the Rinella hunt podcast or the Shawn Ryan hunt thread on the forum here blew the odds of drawing a tag in the Blues seemingly have never applied for an elk hunt in the Blues. Those odds have been ridiculous forever.
:twocents:
Exactly.
You guys consider 126 apps for 15 tags ridiculous odds? That’s my whole point. This unit wasn’t the colockum or even the wenaha when talking draw odds, but it will be soon.
Post by: huntnfmly on September 27, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
Post by: CedarPants on September 27, 2018, 12:02:16 PM
@cedarpants I believe 2many is pulling your leg and you got to admit it was kinda funny and we'll done😆
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I was doing my best to sarcastically play along and was chuckling throughout the dialogue.
2MANY :brew:
Post by: Woodchuck on September 27, 2018, 12:02:27 PM
@CedarPants I believe 2many is pulling your leg and you got to admit it was kinda funny and we'll done😆The Blue Mountain Mafia is alive and well. :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: huntnfmly on September 27, 2018, 12:06:19 PM
That's what I figured but wasn't sure it did make me chuckle :chuckle:@cedarpants I believe 2many is pulling your leg and you got to admit it was kinda funny and we'll done😆
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I was doing my best to sarcastically play along and was chuckling throughout the dialogue.
2MANY :brew:
Post by: Rainier10 on September 27, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,229147.msg3088017.html#newThat's what I figured but wasn't sure it did make me chuckle :chuckle:@CedarPants I believe 2many is pulling your leg and you got to admit it was kinda funny and we'll done😆
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I was doing my best to sarcastically play along and was chuckling throughout the dialogue.
2MANY :brew:
I just served up @2MANY a little of his own medicine on the "Colockum Quality Elk tag" thread.
Post by: CedarPants on September 27, 2018, 12:15:14 PM
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 12:24:24 PM
Post by: boneaddict on September 27, 2018, 12:25:51 PM
Post by: 2MANY on September 27, 2018, 12:30:57 PM
It's a great bull..................................
Even if a Hunt WA member had to find it for him.
Post by: huntnfmly on September 27, 2018, 12:50:01 PM
Congrats to Steve.:chuckle:
It's a great bull..................................
Even if a Hunt WA member had to find it for him.
Post by: Jpmiller on September 27, 2018, 05:02:15 PM
Post by: elkrack on September 28, 2018, 12:37:25 PM
Now that everyone across the country recognized Washington as the premier elk state in the west and out of staters flock to the blues I'll finally draw my Wyoming general tag :chuckle:
I think the wdfw costs structure will prevent that from happening!
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2018, 03:33:38 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 28, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2018, 05:00:35 PM
I'm about 1/3 the way into that pod cast, care to elaborate?
I'm gonna bet it's because he spilled the beans on the location.
Post by: PlateauNDN on September 28, 2018, 05:13:34 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2018, 05:14:08 PM
It's not even the best unit in the blues by far. It's just the one I've put the time in to know.... a guy can do a podcast about elk hunting with leaving things like where out. No respect for him anymore. It's one thing to help guys out with the tag, but to tell the world where you got a big bull and go into detail about it is just rediculous.
I'm about 1/3 the way into that pod cast, care to elaborate?
I'm gonna bet it's because he spilled the beans on the location.
Post by: Odell on September 28, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
I'm about 1/3 the way into that pod cast, care to elaborate?
I'm gonna bet it's because he spilled the beans on the location.
He’s not wrong and it’s poor form to talk that much detail about a unit. Steve is super tight lipped about other areas and states they put in for and he should know better.
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Post by: Dan-o on September 28, 2018, 06:13:00 PM
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2018, 06:56:06 PM
I'm about 1/3 the way into that pod cast, care to elaborate?
I'm gonna bet it's because he spilled the beans on the location.
He’s not wrong and it’s poor form to talk that much detail about a unit. Steve is super tight lipped about other areas and states they put in for and he should know better.
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Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on September 28, 2018, 07:01:22 PM
Post by: Maverick on September 28, 2018, 07:07:24 PM
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the good units in the blues! Look at the draw odds. Why would anyone ever learn a unit before hand if they may never draw it. How about put of state stuff does everyone go scout first? Some do some dont
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 28, 2018, 07:10:58 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 28, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......I want a piece of that action!! Archery/Muzzy/Rifle apps combined...more next year than this year. What’s the wager?
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
Post by: LongBomb on September 28, 2018, 07:34:26 PM
I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
:yeah: great bulls in that area, lot of folks know it but Steves bull and story still don't make me want to apply for it.
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 28, 2018, 07:35:28 PM
I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......I want a piece of that action!! Archery/Muzzy/Rifle apps combined...more next year than this year. What’s the wager?
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
I would put money on a 50% increase in archery apps
Post by: Jason on September 28, 2018, 07:37:05 PM
:yeah:I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
:yeah: great bulls in that area, lot of folks know it but Steves bull and story still don't make me want to apply for it.
Post by: Igottanewknee on September 28, 2018, 07:45:29 PM
Ha ha..... My 25 year old daughter has 14 quality points... lot of not drawn for her.A better question/concern/cause for uprising is that Rinella has been a resident for like 3? years? WAs he buying non-res licenses and applying all these years or was there a TV hunting celebrity conspiracy that allowed him to draw a tag with 3-ish points???
Maybe he just got lucky with 2 or 3 pts? Could easily happen.
My son is 15- will be 16 in December.
He has 7 youth deer points and 7 youth elk points. Couldn't draw a ******* tag for a doe or cow. Yet I know guys with kids who draw every year. **it happens.
Post by: Odell on September 29, 2018, 07:50:18 AM
I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......I want a piece of that action!! Archery/Muzzy/Rifle apps combined...more next year than this year. What’s the wager?
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
I would put money on a 50% increase in archery apps
Ill probably apply for it just to sway the bet on the increase.
Post by: Dan-o on September 29, 2018, 08:36:02 AM
I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......I want a piece of that action!! Archery/Muzzy/Rifle apps combined...more next year than this year. What’s the wager?
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
Loser pays $100 to the charitable organization of the winners choice?
Post by: Dan-o on September 29, 2018, 08:38:18 AM
I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......I want a piece of that action!! Archery/Muzzy/Rifle apps combined...more next year than this year. What’s the wager?
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
I would put money on a 50% increase in archery apps
If you're serious I'm in. Loser pays to charity of the winners choice. I'll go up to $100.
Let me know.
Post by: Dan-o on September 29, 2018, 08:40:32 AM
I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......I want a piece of that action!! Archery/Muzzy/Rifle apps combined...more next year than this year. What’s the wager?
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
I would put money on a 50% increase in archery apps
Ill probably apply for it just to sway the bet on the increase.
Don't do it, man!
I heard Rinella shot the last mature bull in the unit.
Post by: bearpaw on September 29, 2018, 09:19:38 AM
Post by: Dan-o on September 29, 2018, 09:58:39 AM
There will likley be an across the board 10%+- increase in all applications due to the robust economy, every state is seeing increases.
Well, that won't help my bet(s)! :chuckle: :chuckle:
I didn't really think of that.
I still don't think permit apps there will go up compared other units, but I took the bet straight up and will honor either or both offers on the table.
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 29, 2018, 11:35:01 AM
There will likley be an across the board 10%+- increase in all applications due to the robust economy, every state is seeing increases.
Well, that won't help my bet(s)! :chuckle: :chuckle:
I didn't really think of that.
I still don't think permit apps there will go up compared other units, but I took the bet straight up and will honor either or both offers on the table.
I’ll take that action! I like the charity idea. Also I reached out to Steve and shared my disappointment, he wrote me back last night and said he regrets over-divulging. At least he acknowledged it.
Post by: Dan-o on September 29, 2018, 12:23:33 PM
There will likley be an across the board 10%+- increase in all applications due to the robust economy, every state is seeing increases.
Well, that won't help my bet(s)! :chuckle: :chuckle:
I didn't really think of that.
I still don't think permit apps there will go up compared other units, but I took the bet straight up and will honor either or both offers on the table.
I’ll take that action! I like the charity idea. Also I reached out to Steve and shared my disappointment, he wrote me back last night and said he regrets over-divulging. At least he acknowledged it.
OK, so you're saying 50% increase in archery tags. Less than 50% and I win?
I'm good with that.
I'll go up to $100 to the winners charity.
How much would you like?
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 29, 2018, 12:41:34 PM
Post by: Mfowl on September 29, 2018, 12:46:45 PM
Post by: Dan-o on September 29, 2018, 01:06:15 PM
Let’s do $50, it’s sort of a lose lose for me and I have a baby on the way :chuckle:
:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Congrats on the baby. They're more important than elk (dare I say that on Hunt wa :chuckle:)
And now to let this ferment for 10 months so we can see.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on September 29, 2018, 05:13:12 PM
Spit and shake. Done deal.I'm betting this is a tempest in a teapot and that applications for that unit don't go up next year......I want a piece of that action!! Archery/Muzzy/Rifle apps combined...more next year than this year. What’s the wager?
There. You have it in writing.
You can ridicule me next year.... If I'm wrong.
Loser pays $100 to the charitable organization of the winners choice?
Post by: jstone on September 29, 2018, 05:38:04 PM
Post by: Fullabull on September 30, 2018, 02:30:19 PM
Post by: elkrack on September 30, 2018, 02:55:29 PM
It almost looks like he was photo shopped into the picture the way his feet look.
It is an awkward stance :chuckle: maybe he has been working on his levitation skills
Post by: Odell on October 02, 2018, 08:41:48 AM
There will likley be an across the board 10%+- increase in all applications due to the robust economy, every state is seeing increases.
Well, that won't help my bet(s)! :chuckle: :chuckle:
I didn't really think of that.
I still don't think permit apps there will go up compared other units, but I took the bet straight up and will honor either or both offers on the table.
I’ll take that action! I like the charity idea. Also I reached out to Steve and shared my disappointment, he wrote me back last night and said he regrets over-divulging. At least he acknowledged it.
Having now listened to the podcast, the more I think about it, the less I like it. Steve did the same thing twice last summer talking about a specific wilderness area in WA for the high buck hunt. They won't even mention the mountain range on some of their other hunts but when it comes to WA, a state where public land grows increasingly crowded, it seems they feel free to share all the info.
I also wonder about the legality of having an unlicensed paid guide with him. I know Janis is a full time employee of Meateater and has more responsibilities than just calling elk, but it sure sounded like his role on this hunt was to be an elk guide. Unless I'm wrong, (which could be very possible) you cannot have a paid guide in that area unless you use the outfitter licensed for that area.
Filming your hunts with a production crew on public land is already a bit of an intrusion. Broadcasting the specific details of that hunt to the whole world is even more intrusive. Bringing a private elk guide with you as part of that crew seems like an unfair advantage over the rest. Still love the show and respect who they are and what they are doing but this whole thing leaves me feeling a little bit less excited about it all. Just my .02.
Post by: 2MANY on October 02, 2018, 09:31:12 AM
The collateral damage isn't considered because he doesn't need to worry about the next couple years there.
Any guesses which side Steve is on??
Post by: Stein on October 02, 2018, 09:42:26 AM
It's all about the money and fame.
The collateral damage isn't considered because he doesn't need to worry about the next couple years there.
Any guesses which side Steve is on??
How much money and fame will he get vs. if he talked about it generically?
I wouldn't likely have made the same choices, but it's a draw hunt and the pressure in that unit is managed and won't change. I do feel for anyone who draws planning on using that access, but that's got to be a pretty small odds. On the other side of the coin, a guy could hunt elsewhere hoping to get some of the tag holders to congregate there.
My guess is that a few more people would apply for that one knowing they have at least some type of Plan A, but probably not many. My prediction is no more than 10% increase (assuming same general number of applicants overall in all units).
It's one elk in one unit and it's now in his freezer.
Post by: CaNINE on October 02, 2018, 10:14:43 AM
On a side note, I'm surprised how much attention Steve gives to Prince of Wales Island...a place where he has vested interest in protecting the relative anonymity of (his family owns a cabin there). He's doesn't hold back on what a sportsman's paradise the POW is. I'm sure the locals are just thrilled.
Post by: 2MANY on October 02, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
If his predecessors would have bragged it up 30 years ago it would suck now.
He doesn't care.
It's all about Steve.
Post by: Odell on October 02, 2018, 11:23:51 AM
It will be interesting to see how much disclosure is made on the TV episode once it airs next year. There are a lot of podcast listeners but I'll speculate many more will be exposed via the TV show. Whether they take action by applying for special permits remains to be seen.
On a side note, I'm surprised how much attention Steve gives to Prince of Wales Island...a place where he has vested interest in protecting the relative anonymity of (his family owns a cabin there). He's doesn't hold back on what a sportsman's paradise the POW is. I'm sure the locals are just thrilled.
You're probably right but how many people live there? 2-3K? It has over 1,000 miles of shoreline with a foreign country between it and the lower 48. Pretty far from being crowded
Post by: Jpmiller on October 02, 2018, 01:12:25 PM
Post by: idaho guy on October 02, 2018, 01:19:03 PM
I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
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ya they go from .3% to .29% he screwed that up. With the terrible odds on better tags who cares can you really make them worse?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 02, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
Last year the hunt he drew and podcasted all about was 10+% odds (ignoring points)I was surprised and a little disappointed at how specific he got in his podcast, he usually doesn’t do that when he’s talking about huntin spots. Makes me wonder what they’ll say on the tv episode. Needless to say draw odds just got a whole lot tougher next year.
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ya they go from .3% to .29% he screwed that up. With the terrible odds on better tags who cares can you really make them worse?
It wouldn’t take much to bring that down a bunch. :twocents:
Post by: yorketransport on October 02, 2018, 03:07:05 PM
I also wonder about the legality of having an unlicensed paid guide with him. I know Janis is a full time employee of Meateater and has more responsibilities than just calling elk, but it sure sounded like his role on this hunt was to be an elk guide. Unless I'm wrong, (which could be very possible) you cannot have a paid guide in that area unless you use the outfitter licensed for that area.
So I can't go hunting with one of my employees if he's more familiar with an area? Are you saying that an employer shouldn't be able to hunt with anyone that's on the payroll? Years ago I took my boss out elk hunting, brought him to an area, showed him where to go, told him what time to be there and he shot bull right where I said he would. That doesn't make me a guide just a hunter who was on the company payroll. I've had the reverse happen when I went hunting with one of my employees in an area he knew and I didn't.
I don't really understand why anyone would be mad about this. I've never hunted that part of the state, but even I know that there's some excellent spots over there. I can give somebody GPS coordinates to a spot but that doesn't guarantee success. The individual hunter still has to put in the work to get in, find the animal, and then get it out. Is Rinella giving out a location any different than BearPaw's hunt maps that he sells?
Post by: Odell on October 02, 2018, 03:19:02 PM
I also wonder about the legality of having an unlicensed paid guide with him. I know Janis is a full time employee of Meateater and has more responsibilities than just calling elk, but it sure sounded like his role on this hunt was to be an elk guide. Unless I'm wrong, (which could be very possible) you cannot have a paid guide in that area unless you use the outfitter licensed for that area.
So I can't go hunting with one of my employees if he's more familiar with an area? Are you saying that an employer shouldn't be able to hunt with anyone that's on the payroll? Years ago I took my boss out elk hunting, brought him to an area, showed him where to go, told him what time to be there and he shot bull right where I said he would. That doesn't make me a guide just a hunter who was on the company payroll. I've had the reverse happen when I went hunting with one of my employees in an area he knew and I didn't.
I don't really understand why anyone would be mad about this. I've never hunted that part of the state, but even I know that there's some excellent spots over there. I can give somebody GPS coordinates to a spot but that doesn't guarantee success. The individual hunter still has to put in the work to get in, find the animal, and then get it out. Is Rinella giving out a location any different than BearPaw's hunt maps that he sells?
I'm sure you could. I said I wonder about the legality of it in this case, Janis is an elk guide that Steve hired to work for his hunting company. His stated role on this trip was as an elk guide. That's a bit different than bringing a guy who does your payroll and happens to be a good caller. I'm not mad about it, but I think a case could be made that it crosses the line. It is certainly an advantage that most people don't have.
Yes, Rinella mentioning specific units, access points and drainages is different than buying a map. Its free, and broadcast to a massive audience of people specifically interested in hunting places like this.
Imagine you are 64 years old and wondering if you can still get in and out of those canyons. You've been putting in since you were 46 and your dream is to hunt the blues in the rut just once. You are already frustrated with the draw odds, the increase in wolves, the increased visibility the internet brings...then the most popular guy with an outdoor TV show films an episode there and tells the whole world its an amazing place to kill a great big giant bull....
You can't understand how someone would be mad about that?
That's not my scenario but I know a guy just like that and he ain't happy with Mr Rinella.
Post by: Stein on October 02, 2018, 03:27:24 PM
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Post by: HikerHunter on October 03, 2018, 09:26:45 AM
First, I don't think Janis is guiding anymore and he was already on Steve's payroll. He wasn't hired for this specific hunt. His previous guiding experience sure seemed to help, but I don't see anything wrong with that.
Second, part of this forum and community is about sharing experiences and helping each other out. I think that can really cut down on the learning curve, especially for new hunters. In addition to tactics and strategies in the podcast Steve shared some specific locations as well. I think if he had been less specific about locations he discussed, it would have still been helpful information for people pursuing a hunt there, but wouldn't ruffle as many feathers. Even though areas and trailheads are discussed on here, Steve has a large audience and should be more sensitive to that, even in areas that are draw hunts.
Third, although I don't agree with everything Steve says, I think we should also take a step back and remember that overall, he does a lot of good for the hunting community. Let's try not to let this make a divide in hunters when we need to be more united.
Post by: Jpmiller on October 03, 2018, 09:40:35 AM
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on October 03, 2018, 09:48:00 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 03, 2018, 09:49:17 AM
I've seen many members give just as much info Steve did and barely get chastised, but I guess they're not famous enough. I had a goat hunt and 1 area in particular that I wanted to scout I searched in the "hw search bar" and lo & behold..........
Info for the area on many threads from previous hunts, what road to take for close access, what path/trail to hike to heavy animal traffic areas, what section/drainage where certain groups hangout constantly.
I think this is really blown out of proportion, but that's my opinion.
Post by: mburrows on October 03, 2018, 10:04:41 AM
I'll just throw it out that I found this site by doing a Google search for the name of a mountain I wanted to check out along with the words "hunting elk". Got a link to a thread discussing elk hunting near said mountain.
Same. I'd be willing to bet thats the first step a lot folks take in their scouting process when considering a new area.
Post by: 2MANY on October 03, 2018, 10:10:59 AM
What would Bigfoot do?
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2018, 11:36:53 AM
Post by: Whitpirate on October 03, 2018, 11:38:49 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2018, 11:44:10 AM
I've seen trail heads, roads and units named on this site. When I finally figured out the search function I looked at a couple of spots I frequent and found info on them I could verify as accurate. I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures posted on here from spots I've stood. This forum isn't broadcast over the radio or television but it's still out there for anyone to see. Guys on here, myself included, do the same stuff he did on his podcast. The information is out there if you want to look for it, while I wouldn't have named names like he did I'm not going to get upset about it either.
If I could guarantee it I would, but I can't so I will just say that I'd be willing to bet that more info goes out to Washington hunters via this forum than from any Steven Rinella TV show or podcast.
I got a bunch of crap last week because I mentioned, in a thread, not naming a trail a fella used to access country for the high hunt. I didn't think I was unreasonable mentioning it, but others thought keeping that trail a secret was not necessary.
:dunno:
I also think looking at Janus as a "guide" is unreasonable. He clearly is a big part of the show and has been for years. Why wouldn't he be there? Is he not supposed to use an elk call because he used to be a guide? There is a lot more shady/sketchy pseudo guide stuff going on in the Blues that nobody seems bothered by than this.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on October 03, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
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Post by: jstone on October 03, 2018, 11:56:36 AM
Post by: Duckhunter14 on October 03, 2018, 12:11:07 PM
Somebody else said it before but I don’t think it will see a huge increase in applications next year, nonresidents for the most part aren’t spending $600 plus the $113 application fee to hunt spikes and build points toward the Mountain View unit and I think most Washington resident hunters already know that there are big bulls in the blues, but many are loyal to their hunting locales be it west side or Yakima/colockum
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Whoa man! Quit giving away all our secret big bull spots! You want to kill big bulls apply in Peaches, duh. :chuckle:
I'm really surprised there aren't more arm chair quarterbacks quibbling over the fact that over half of the meat went to waste. I figured there would be pages and pages of how they never would of made a poor shot and what they would of done different to avoid losing the meat to spoilage. Way to go HW. :tup: I'm proud of you.
Post by: 2MANY on October 03, 2018, 12:18:44 PM
Meat was not eaten?????
Oh my!
Post by: rosscrazyelk on October 03, 2018, 12:19:03 PM
I think it's cool with all the hunting he has done that his biggest elk ever was taken here.. I am bummed he moved I was hoping to bump into him Sometime. He is a great hunter a great writer and a great advocate for hunting..
Post by: SteelheadTed on October 03, 2018, 01:39:09 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 03, 2018, 01:54:31 PM
I also wonder about the legality of having an unlicensed paid guide with him. I know Janis is a full time employee of Meateater and has more responsibilities than just calling elk, but it sure sounded like his role on this hunt was to be an elk guide. Unless I'm wrong, (which could be very possible) you cannot have a paid guide in that area unless you use the outfitter licensed for that area.
So I can't go hunting with one of my employees if he's more familiar with an area? Are you saying that an employer shouldn't be able to hunt with anyone that's on the payroll? Years ago I took my boss out elk hunting, brought him to an area, showed him where to go, told him what time to be there and he shot bull right where I said he would. That doesn't make me a guide just a hunter who was on the company payroll. I've had the reverse happen when I went hunting with one of my employees in an area he knew and I didn't.
I don't really understand why anyone would be mad about this. I've never hunted that part of the state, but even I know that there's some excellent spots over there. I can give somebody GPS coordinates to a spot but that doesn't guarantee success. The individual hunter still has to put in the work to get in, find the animal, and then get it out. Is Rinella giving out a location any different than BearPaw's hunt maps that he sells?
I'm sure you could. I said I wonder about the legality of it in this case, Janis is an elk guide that Steve hired to work for his hunting company. His stated role on this trip was as an elk guide. That's a bit different than bringing a guy who does your payroll and happens to be a good caller. I'm not mad about it, but I think a case could be made that it crosses the line. It is certainly an advantage that most people don't have.
Yes, Rinella mentioning specific units, access points and drainages is different than buying a map. Its free, and broadcast to a massive audience of people specifically interested in hunting places like this.
Imagine you are 64 years old and wondering if you can still get in and out of those canyons. You've been putting in since you were 46 and your dream is to hunt the blues in the rut just once. You are already frustrated with the draw odds, the increase in wolves, the increased visibility the internet brings...then the most popular guy with an outdoor TV show films an episode there and tells the whole world its an amazing place to kill a great big giant bull....
You can't understand how someone would be mad about that?
That's not my scenario but I know a guy just like that and he ain't happy with Mr Rinella.
I don't see why it matters. Between ML and Archery, there are 20 quality tags for that area.
Is someone really worried that the other 19 tag holders are all physically fit expert hunters that can navigate the particular drainage your buddy frequents?
"Mr. Rinella" is on the front page of NetFlix when I log in now. I don't think I've ever heard of a hunting show gaining that much popularity. I meet people all the time who are like "Man I really want to get into hunting. I've been watching that Meat Eater show, and it's got me pumped up to put some wild, organic meat in our freezer!"
We absolutely need more guys like him if we want to keep hunting alive and well in the western states.
Post by: Odell on October 03, 2018, 03:55:02 PM
Expressing a contrary opinion is not “bickering” or dividing the hunting community and it doesn’t mean i don’t appreciate and admire what Steve does as a whole. (As previously stated). His podcast episode “you’re a cool guy Buck” is one of the best things I’ve ever heard. And for the record, it sounds like Steve agrees that he shared to much info and regrets it.
Learning how to disagree, (even passionately) about something without it creating an “enemy” is critical for sanity in a pluralistic society.
I still love the show and podcast. I will still cringe and get frustrated every time i hear a spot i like to hunt or fish mentioned by name, on this forum or anywhere.
As to the publicity, are you guys serious that you are perfectly happy with what the internet is doing to hunting areas?
I’m having a hard time understanding the logic that just because some people can find certain info if they look for it, that it’s a good idea to broadcast it to a bunch more that weren’t.
I’m all for helping the individual and have asked for help on this site and benefited from that help myself. Still not going to put what I’ve learned on the internet. There is a reason most of the help gets discussed in pms and text.
Happy hunting
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Post by: JTB on October 06, 2018, 11:28:34 PM
If we can't agree that public lands are for everyone and we allow ourselves to get possessive about "our spots" - we'll all lose in the end.
Well said
Post by: SCRUBS on October 07, 2018, 07:50:07 AM
If we can't agree that public lands are for everyone and we allow ourselves to get possessive about "our spots" - we'll all lose in the end.
Well said
:yeah:
Post by: Mr Mykiss on October 07, 2018, 10:43:02 AM
However the specific area talk, on arguably the largest hunting platform out there, no bueno.
I remember back to one of the first meat eater podcasts I heard...they were in Colorado talking about where they were hunting as “the I-70 corridor” so when it’s a spot they care about they generalize the hell out of it but when it’s a draw tag in a tiny unit in a tiny part of the state it’s best to say drainages and specific trails?
I’m late with my .02 but also for those that said the odds are long anyway...two things
1. The podcast made it sound like it takes 3 or 6 points to draw
2. Mountain View odds WERE roughly 10x better than any other Blues unit last year
2a. WERE
Rinella is one of the best spokesmen for western public land that has ever and will ever be.
Post by: kentrek on October 07, 2018, 11:52:10 AM
:chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on October 07, 2018, 11:59:33 AM
Post by: Jpmiller on October 07, 2018, 01:08:12 PM
Maybe there'll be less Washington license plates in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming next years Elk seasons?
That's what I'm saying! My Wyoming odds just went up!
Post by: Maverick on October 07, 2018, 10:42:01 PM
Maybe there'll be less Washington license plates in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming next years Elk seasons?
That's what I'm saying! My Wyoming odds just went up!
I'm actually applying for Wyoming next year :chuckle:
Post by: Jpmiller on October 08, 2018, 05:55:06 AM
Maybe there'll be less Washington license plates in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming next years Elk seasons?
That's what I'm saying! My Wyoming odds just went up!
I'm actually applying for Wyoming next year :chuckle:
I don't know if rinella has hunted elk there in years, that has to mean there probably isn't any there right? Otherwise he would have given me a trail name on his podcast :chuckle:
Post by: elkrack on October 08, 2018, 07:31:20 AM
Maybe there'll be less Washington license plates in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming next years Elk seasons?
Yeah that’s wishful thinking :chuckle:
Post by: TheSennett on October 09, 2018, 03:01:16 PM
Regarding Janis, all i said is I wonder about it. I think these hunting shows get in a grey area that could potentially raise some eyebrows. The law is that you can’t pay someone to guide you unless they are licensed. It’s an actual law and many people were raising hell on this site about a certain local WA guy helping hunters for free in some of these same areas.
One might argue that Janis and all others actively involved were required to have a hunting license and tag per the definition of "hunt" in the regulations. The regulations states:
"To Hunt: Any effort to kill, capture, injure, or harass a wild animal or wild bird"
https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01984/wdfw01984.pdf, page 7.
I'd wager that the MeatEater operation is on the level and had all their ducks in a row. But its a good observation by Odell and worth a discussion.
Post by: Jpmiller on October 09, 2018, 05:54:53 PM
Either we are pretty much all poachers or you're looking for any and all reasons to attack the guy.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 10, 2018, 07:13:02 AM
Extending that logic every kid who tags along with a parent is a poachee. Tag along on a quality tag? Poacher. Spot a goat on your brother's goat hunt? Poacher.
Either we are pretty much all poachers or you're looking for any and all reasons to attack the guy.
:yeah:
Or any birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife.... If Janis didn't have a bow/gun, he wasn't hunting.
That argument would never have been made had this not been a celebrity.
Post by: TheSennett on October 10, 2018, 08:28:02 AM
Extending that logic every kid who tags along with a parent is a poachee. Tag along on a quality tag? Poacher. Spot a goat on your brother's goat hunt? Poacher.
Either we are pretty much all poachers or you're looking for any and all reasons to attack the guy.
:yeah:
Or any birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife.... If Janis didn't have a bow/gun, he wasn't hunting.
That argument would never have been made had this not been a celebrity.
There seems to be a difference between Janis actively participating in calling the elk (listen to the podcast if you haven't done so) and a child who "tags along" with their parent who has a proper license and tag, or a "birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife." I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer or the prosecuting attorney if you want... :chuckle:
Also, "being a celebrity" has anything to do with following the rules. I'm a big fan of MeatEater and Rinella. As I said in my first post, I'd wager that everything they do is on the level. However, its still an interesting discussion topic. Even more so when you are broadcasting your actions to a national audience.
Post by: CedarPants on October 10, 2018, 08:42:42 AM
I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer
I've had that very discussion with 3 different WDFW officers over the years and they've all indicated that it was perfectly fine to call elk for a hunter with a special tag. Were all 3 of them wrong and are there a lot of people being cited for this that we just never hear about :dunno:
Post by: HikerHunter on October 10, 2018, 08:45:32 AM
So you are saying that if you pull a quality elk tag, you won't have a buddy helping glass, you won't have a buddy helping call, you won't have a buddy to help you at all? You may be an exception, but for the vast majority of everyone else, I find that hard to believe.
Plus, I think its pretty easy to argue that anyone calling, glassing, helping to spot game does not meet the "hunt" definition: "To Hunt: Any effort to kill, capture, injure, or harass a wild animal or wild bird". They are not making an effort to kill anything, the tag holder is the only one making an effort to kill.
I think ctwiggs was right on point, this wouldn't be an argument if he wasn't a celebrity.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 10, 2018, 08:50:17 AM
Extending that logic every kid who tags along with a parent is a poachee. Tag along on a quality tag? Poacher. Spot a goat on your brother's goat hunt? Poacher.
Either we are pretty much all poachers or you're looking for any and all reasons to attack the guy.
:yeah:
Or any birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife.... If Janis didn't have a bow/gun, he wasn't hunting.
That argument would never have been made had this not been a celebrity.
There seems to be a difference between Janis actively participating in calling the elk (listen to the podcast if you haven't done so) and a child who "tags along" with their parent who has a proper license and tag, or a "birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife." I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer or the prosecuting attorney if you want... :chuckle:
Also, "being a celebrity" has anything to do with following the rules. I'm a big fan of MeatEater and Rinella. As I said in my first post, I'd wager that everything they do is on the level. However, its still an interesting discussion topic. Even more so when you are broadcasting your actions to a national audience.
I've seen a lot of arguments pop up here on a yearly basis over the last decade or so: Which optics are the best, which caliber you should shoot, whether you should run with heavy or light arrows, which pack to buy, whether or not you could duct tape a muzzleloader to seal it, etc.
This is the first time I can remember people saying "this was potentially illegal because his buddy was calling elk for him." Anybody who draws a quality (late Sept) elk tag would be wise to have a buddy calling for them. I cannot recall this ever being questioned until a celebrity did it.
...But I could be wrong.
Post by: TheSennett on October 10, 2018, 08:55:18 AM
I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer
I've had that very discussion with 3 different WDFW officers over the years and they've all indicated that it was perfectly fine to call elk for a hunter with a special tag. Were all 3 of them wrong and are there a lot of people being cited for this that we just never hear about :dunno:
"Were all 3 of them wrong" --- possibly. It all depends on the facts and each person's understanding of the facts.
@HikerHunter --- If the definition of "hunt" includes to "harass" a wild animal, then calling arguably falls into that category. I haven't gotten bored enough to dig into the statutes or regulations on the issue. If someone has, feel free to weigh in.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 10, 2018, 09:02:15 AM
I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer
I've had that very discussion with 3 different WDFW officers over the years and they've all indicated that it was perfectly fine to call elk for a hunter with a special tag. Were all 3 of them wrong and are there a lot of people being cited for this that we just never hear about :dunno:
"Were all 3 of them wrong" --- possibly. It all depends on the facts and each person's understanding of the facts.
@HikerHunter --- If the definition of "hunt" includes to "harass" a wild animal, then calling arguably falls into that category. I haven't gotten bored enough to dig into the statutes or regulations on the issue. If someone has, feel free to weigh in.
I've never heard of anybody getting cited for calling elk. If that logic prevailed, every guide would be cited if they didn't hold onto their tag until the last day.
Post by: TheSennett on October 10, 2018, 09:02:26 AM
Extending that logic every kid who tags along with a parent is a poachee. Tag along on a quality tag? Poacher. Spot a goat on your brother's goat hunt? Poacher.
Either we are pretty much all poachers or you're looking for any and all reasons to attack the guy.
:yeah:
Or any birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife.... If Janis didn't have a bow/gun, he wasn't hunting.
That argument would never have been made had this not been a celebrity.
There seems to be a difference between Janis actively participating in calling the elk (listen to the podcast if you haven't done so) and a child who "tags along" with their parent who has a proper license and tag, or a "birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife." I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer or the prosecuting attorney if you want... :chuckle:
Also, "being a celebrity" has anything to do with following the rules. I'm a big fan of MeatEater and Rinella. As I said in my first post, I'd wager that everything they do is on the level. However, its still an interesting discussion topic. Even more so when you are broadcasting your actions to a national audience.
I've seen a lot of arguments pop up here on a yearly basis over the last decade or so: Which optics are the best, which caliber you should shoot, whether you should run with heavy or light arrows, which pack to buy, whether or not you could duct tape a muzzleloader to seal it, etc.
This is the first time I can remember people saying "this was potentially illegal because his buddy was calling elk for him." Anybody who draws a quality (late Sept) elk tag would be wise to have a buddy calling for them. I cannot recall this ever being questioned until a celebrity did it.
...But I could be wrong.
Quick search on WDFW website...
https://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/86/Do+I+need+a+hunting+license+if+I%27m+just+helping+my+child+or+others+to+hunt%3F
Do I need a hunting license if I'm just helping my child or others to hunt?
If you are only watching or guiding, you do not need a hunting license. However, if you are directly assisting and participating (such as driving game or packing hunting weapons), you will need the appropriate hunting license.
Post by: Odell on October 10, 2018, 09:09:16 AM
Extending that logic every kid who tags along with a parent is a poachee. Tag along on a quality tag? Poacher. Spot a goat on your brother's goat hunt? Poacher.
Either we are pretty much all poachers or you're looking for any and all reasons to attack the guy.
:yeah:
Or any birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife.... If Janis didn't have a bow/gun, he wasn't hunting.
That argument would never have been made had this not been a celebrity.
There seems to be a difference between Janis actively participating in calling the elk (listen to the podcast if you haven't done so) and a child who "tags along" with their parent who has a proper license and tag, or a "birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife." I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer or the prosecuting attorney if you want... :chuckle:
Also, "being a celebrity" has anything to do with following the rules. I'm a big fan of MeatEater and Rinella. As I said in my first post, I'd wager that everything they do is on the level. However, its still an interesting discussion topic. Even more so when you are broadcasting your actions to a national audience.
I've seen a lot of arguments pop up here on a yearly basis over the last decade or so: Which optics are the best, which caliber you should shoot, whether you should run with heavy or light arrows, which pack to buy, whether or not you could duct tape a muzzleloader to seal it, etc.
This is the first time I can remember people saying "this was potentially illegal because his buddy was calling elk for him." Anybody who draws a quality (late Sept) elk tag would be wise to have a buddy calling for them. I cannot recall this ever being questioned until a celebrity did it.
...But I could be wrong.
To be honest, its the defense of Rinella on here that has way more to do with him being a celebrity. Nobody has accused anybody of doing something illegal, a few of us (who are also fans) are having a discussion about what might be a potential grey area and others are pretty dang defensive of someone they have never met.
And this has been questioned on here before quite extensively, about guiding and compensation. It is also an issue in fishing where you need a bunch of licensing to accept compensation.
For sure, it is illegal to pay your buddy to call elk for you.
Post by: CedarPants on October 10, 2018, 09:16:42 AM
"Were all 3 of them wrong" --- possibly. It all depends on the facts and each person's understanding of the facts.I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer
I've had that very discussion with 3 different WDFW officers over the years and they've all indicated that it was perfectly fine to call elk for a hunter with a special tag. Were all 3 of them wrong and are there a lot of people being cited for this that we just never hear about :dunno:
So, you suggested we go "argue" it with the WDFW officer. I submitted the fact that I've had that discussion (not argument) 3 times with WDFW officers. Your response is that they could be wrong and it depends on each person's understanding of the facts. The fact that you used the term "argue" leads me to believe you've already concluded that the facts as you understand them are that it's illegal.
It doesn't feel like you are trying to have a discussion. It feels like you are trying to rally people around your position that this should be illegal. Good luck.
@BigTex - if this is in fact illegal, please educate us.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 10, 2018, 09:17:14 AM
I guess I am a poacher then since I called bulls for a buddy in a draw only unit this year. He even bought me lunch... :dunno:Extending that logic every kid who tags along with a parent is a poachee. Tag along on a quality tag? Poacher. Spot a goat on your brother's goat hunt? Poacher.
Either we are pretty much all poachers or you're looking for any and all reasons to attack the guy.
:yeah:
Or any birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife.... If Janis didn't have a bow/gun, he wasn't hunting.
That argument would never have been made had this not been a celebrity.
There seems to be a difference between Janis actively participating in calling the elk (listen to the podcast if you haven't done so) and a child who "tags along" with their parent who has a proper license and tag, or a "birder, or any hiker who takes their binoculars out and glasses wildlife." I don't make the rules and I'm not looking to argue legal definitions. Y'all can do that with the WDFW officer or the prosecuting attorney if you want... :chuckle:
Also, "being a celebrity" has anything to do with following the rules. I'm a big fan of MeatEater and Rinella. As I said in my first post, I'd wager that everything they do is on the level. However, its still an interesting discussion topic. Even more so when you are broadcasting your actions to a national audience.
I've seen a lot of arguments pop up here on a yearly basis over the last decade or so: Which optics are the best, which caliber you should shoot, whether you should run with heavy or light arrows, which pack to buy, whether or not you could duct tape a muzzleloader to seal it, etc.
This is the first time I can remember people saying "this was potentially illegal because his buddy was calling elk for him." Anybody who draws a quality (late Sept) elk tag would be wise to have a buddy calling for them. I cannot recall this ever being questioned until a celebrity did it.
...But I could be wrong.
Quick search on WDFW website...
https://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/86/Do+I+need+a+hunting+license+if+I%27m+just+helping+my+child+or+others+to+hunt%3F
Do I need a hunting license if I'm just helping my child or others to hunt?
If you are only watching or guiding, you do not need a hunting license. However, if you are directly assisting and participating (such as driving game or packing hunting weapons), you will need the appropriate hunting license.
Someone should probably report me and collect their 10 points :bash:
Post by: TheSennett on October 10, 2018, 09:35:20 AM
Post by: Odell on October 10, 2018, 09:44:27 AM
Like I said, interesting grey area, this is what Steve is paying Janis to do.
Still love the show, still respect them. Really wish they hadn't been as specific in public with all the details. Guess that's my last word.
Post by: yakimanoob on October 10, 2018, 09:44:30 AM
Man, you folks are really touchy. You'd think with deer opener around the corner everyone would be a little happier.You've got that backwards. Everyone is antsy and touchy because season isn't quite here yet and we're tired of waiting :chuckle:
I think most of us on here agree that 1) Rinella and his crew are awesome advocates for the hunting rights and public lands we all hold dear, and 2) we would have preferred he didn't talk about the specific spot he was hunting in such detail.
Post by: Igottanewknee on October 10, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 10, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
Anybody see that dead horse I'm supposed to beat? Or is this going to be another Kaepernick thread...... come on 60 pages!! :tup:We can’t help you find that dead horse. It would be illegal guiding. :yike:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 10, 2018, 10:02:09 AM
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Post by: yakimanoob on October 10, 2018, 01:39:29 PM
We can’t help you find that dead horse. It would be illegal guiding. :yike:This.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: dwils233 on November 06, 2018, 11:31:48 AM
Post by: JWEBB on November 06, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
Just an FYI, he acknowledged and apologized for his error/misstep in sharing as much info as he did about that hunt around the 25 minute mark of the lastest podcast
Doesn’t make a difference
Post by: X-Force on November 06, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
Just an FYI, he acknowledged and apologized for his error/misstep in sharing as much info as he did about that hunt around the 25 minute mark of the lastest podcast
Doesn’t make a difference
Sure, don't except a genuine apology.
IMO anyone hurt by this should shove it... Draw odds in this state/"your unit" are screwed up by our category/point system... not by a podcast.
Post by: JWEBB on November 06, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
Just an FYI, he acknowledged and apologized for his error/misstep in sharing as much info as he did about that hunt around the 25 minute mark of the lastest podcast
Doesn’t make a difference
Sure, don't except a genuine apology.
IMO anyone hurt by this should shove it... Draw odds in this state/"your unit" are screwed up by our category/point system... not by a podcast.
Sounds like you need some anger management classes
Post by: Jpmiller on November 06, 2018, 02:30:06 PM
Just an FYI, he acknowledged and apologized for his error/misstep in sharing as much info as he did about that hunt around the 25 minute mark of the lastest podcast
Doesn’t make a difference
Sure, don't except a genuine apology.
IMO anyone hurt by this should shove it... Draw odds in this state/"your unit" are screwed up by our category/point system... not by a podcast.
I'd bet most every elk hunter in the state already knew there were good elk in the blues. I don't see a ton of out of state attention for 600 bucks a pop for five to ten years until they draw. That's 3000 to 6000 dollars for a tag. Poor form to share the info sure but apology accepted by me.
Post by: dscubame on November 06, 2018, 02:44:47 PM
Post by: NWBrute on November 06, 2018, 03:25:05 PM
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Sounds like you need some anger management classes
Troll Much?? :dunno:
Post by: JWEBB on November 06, 2018, 03:46:57 PM
QuoteSounds like you need some anger management classes
Troll Much?? :dunno:
Nope! Look at my posts if you don’t believe me haha. Just don’t really appreciate someone telling me to shove it. Someone needs to grow up and speak like an adult
Post by: SteelheadTed on November 08, 2018, 12:28:15 PM
Just an FYI, he acknowledged and apologized for his error/misstep in sharing as much info as he did about that hunt around the 25 minute mark of the lastest podcast
Doesn’t make a difference
Of course it does. He was man enough to admit it, without excuses. If what he did bothered you and you can't accept this apology than the issue is yours, not his.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 08, 2018, 12:38:58 PM
:chuckle:
Post by: JWEBB on November 08, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
Just an FYI, he acknowledged and apologized for his error/misstep in sharing as much info as he did about that hunt around the 25 minute mark of the lastest podcast
Doesn’t make a difference
Of course it does. He was man enough to admit it, without excuses. If what he did bothered you and you can't accept this apology than the issue is yours, not his.
For such a a great sportsman that he is he should have known better in the first place. That’s beginners etiquette. So again like I said before in my eyes it doesn’t make a difference. And on another note, multiple people on this thread keep saying that the unit is a quality elk hunt only. They obviously haven’t spent much time over there because there is a lot more hunting than just quality elk going on. We have been in the unit since the 1930s and a quality tag is only a bonus
Post by: TikkaT3-270Shortmag on November 08, 2018, 12:47:45 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on November 15, 2018, 07:03:12 AM
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Regarding Janis, all i said is I wonder about it. I think these hunting shows get in a grey area that could potentially raise some eyebrows. The law is that you can’t pay someone to guide you unless they are licensed. It’s an actual law and many people were raising hell on this site about a certain local WA guy helping hunters for free in some of these same areas.
I think it should be pointed out that this is not exactly correct information. While many western states do regulate big game outfitting there are no big game outfitting laws enacted by the State of Washington. However, if you accept payment or compensation for services provided on federal lands you must be permitted by that specific federal agency to operate in that area, that is a federal law that applies on federal lands in any state. By legal definition, if there is no payment or compensation involved you are not outfitting or guiding.
TV shows are also required to be permitted to film on federal lands because it is a commercial endeavor. As popular as the "Meat Eater" series is, I'm sure they have been checked by federal agents many times and I would think they are certainly properly permitted. Many far less popular shows have been caught for not being properly permitted.