Post by: TriggerMike on September 30, 2018, 06:40:15 PM
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on September 30, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
Post by: MADMAX on September 30, 2018, 06:52:39 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on September 30, 2018, 06:55:48 PM
Post by: meatwhack on September 30, 2018, 06:56:58 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 30, 2018, 07:01:01 PM
Crazy
Soon or later the FS is going to have to crack down or there be camps up week# before the season.
However I got no problem with camps that have one or two guys staying them.
Post by: blindluck on September 30, 2018, 07:14:46 PM
Post by: MADMAX on September 30, 2018, 07:21:21 PM
Much more effective deterrent
:chuckle:
I always have at least 4 spots scouted to pull my trailer into
Just in case
For the record
I go up early and stay till the opener
But have had plenty of dbags crowd me over the years
Some friendly target shooting, dogs barking, loud stereos
Always a quality experience on public land
Post by: Bob33 on September 30, 2018, 07:30:48 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79102.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79102.0.html)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,157983.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,157983.0.html)
Post by: Oh Mah on September 30, 2018, 07:36:44 PM
public land if you want the same spot year after year you gotta go a little early? :dunno: So how early is too early?If someone is in it a day before you decide to go put yours up then you lost it. :tup:
Post by: buggy on September 30, 2018, 08:32:24 PM
Were we wrong to do this? I thought a camp could be set up on fs land for thirty days. (Not sure where I heard that but never thought to double check.)
I'm genuinely curious if we are dbags for doing this. It never crossed my mind until I saw this thread.
Post by: tritt007 on September 30, 2018, 08:44:49 PM
Post by: Mfowl on September 30, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
Post by: Crunchy on September 30, 2018, 08:55:35 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 30, 2018, 08:59:21 PM
The most serious thing is if there's a tent or vehicle blocking any signed road or trail. Turn em in as that's illegal and big issue for fire access. Fine ranges anywhere from $50 to $250 (California) and possible vehicle and property impoundment.
For State WDFW, contact the wildlife area office and let them know. They like keeping their lands clean. For DNR, call them and let them know what's up.
Post by: full choke on September 30, 2018, 09:02:57 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 30, 2018, 09:05:31 PM
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on September 30, 2018, 09:27:24 PM
I can say the biggest thing we can do as hunters is start coming together and working to solve the dummy camp issue. Reservation system? The state and federal agencies don't have the money and or time to solve this issue alone and we can make good headway by forming an organization to self police laws and educate people on what is right. If you want to leave a camp up more than the allowed stay, do it legally and apply for a special use permit.You really want to have to reserve a camping spot on public land? How about nobody set up dummy camps. One government employee could go around and get 100 of them in a week, how many of those hunters would set one up the following year?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 30, 2018, 09:45:43 PM
I can say the biggest thing we can do as hunters is start coming together and working to solve the dummy camp issue. Reservation system? The state and federal agencies don't have the money and or time to solve this issue alone and we can make good headway by forming an organization to self police laws and educate people on what is right. If you want to leave a camp up more than the allowed stay, do it legally and apply for a special use permit.You really want to have to reserve a camping spot on public land? How about nobody set up dummy camps. One government employee could go around and get 100 of them in a week, how many of those hunters would set one up the following year?
It comes down to the lack of funding in the long run as there's no money for any folks to be enforcing dispersed camping rules as their main Job PD. Yes, I do think reservation systems for hunting season in popular dispersed sites could be beneficial to recoup some of the costs of enforcement, education, and cleanup after hunters.
If I decide to stay in the field and move high up the chain, I will push for a pass you have to buy to camp in dispersed areas with all that money going to a general fund to pay for staff. It has been studied and discussed before by some people, but on a drainage to drainage basis. I have brought the idea to people high up in the agency and some I have talked to have said it may come down to that eventually.
Post by: Oh Mah on September 30, 2018, 10:03:15 PM
Post by: MADMAX on September 30, 2018, 10:12:39 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on September 30, 2018, 10:45:25 PM
Where and when will the restrictions and taxing of hunters end?We pay enough with less and less opportunity,Why would a fellow hunter push for more cost to the hunter? :twocents:
They wouldn't. And I definitely wouldn't support it either. I believe this problem is solved when people start obeying the existing laws and start having more respect for their fellow sportsmen and public land users. We need more DNR officers, not fees and taxes. But that's probably a catch 22 at this point.
Post by: TriggerMike on September 30, 2018, 10:45:56 PM
I can say the biggest thing we can do as hunters is start coming together and working to solve the dummy camp issue. Reservation system? The state and federal agencies don't have the money and or time to solve this issue alone and we can make good headway by forming an organization to self police laws and educate people on what is right. If you want to leave a camp up more than the allowed stay, do it legally and apply for a special use permit.You really want to have to reserve a camping spot on public land? How about nobody set up dummy camps. One government employee could go around and get 100 of them in a week, how many of those hunters would set one up the following year?
:yeah:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 01, 2018, 03:06:18 AM
This topic comes up every year or two.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79102.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79102.0.html)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,157983.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,157983.0.html)
:yeah:
I can't see it getting any better as fees as ratcheted up and fewer opportunities or perceived opportunities as the predator problems rise.
Ugh, WA.
Post by: ghosthunter on October 01, 2018, 04:35:08 AM
I think the dummy camp thing could be reined in with the use of trained volunteers.
And some public awareness programs.
I would not intentionally set up on someone if I knew they were there every year.
But lots of times we have changed gmu to hunt a different area. Most spots show signs that someone camped there before. No way to know what season or if they will be back.
I wouldn’t take kindly to being threatened by someone thinking they owned a spot.
We have never been bothered by anyone but we have a large presence when we set up camp.
Post by: bullfisher on October 01, 2018, 06:10:49 AM
Post by: Highhuntin on October 01, 2018, 06:37:27 AM
Yes I agree that people setting up dummy camps is not cool and it is illegal, not sure how it should be handled I never pay much attention to others camps as to if it may be a dummy or not. I sleep in the back of my truck most times so I don't take up much space.
Post by: hunterofelk on October 01, 2018, 09:31:27 AM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on October 01, 2018, 10:30:13 AM
Post by: buggy on October 01, 2018, 11:46:36 AM
Rant over. Sorry you had to read that but yes I do feel better now. Thanks for asking. :hello:
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on October 01, 2018, 11:51:44 AM
If someone wants to go in the weekend before, scout a bit, and leave their camp up, I've got no problem with that. Some of us wetsiders don't like burning vacation days that could be used for hunting by coming over days before season, so it feels like a reasonable approach.
I've been that guy trying to find a new spot, staking it out and making it work while showing respect to guys who've clearly been hunting the area for years. Just takes some civil communication about hunting plans, and maybe a few gifted beers.
I've also been that party that's been using an annual elk camp for 30+ years. We get in early, stake it out, and if someone sets up next door, that's just how it goes on public land and we treat em respectfully (though I personally can't stand generators, barking dogs or target shooting during season!!).
Post by: ryan13 on October 03, 2018, 01:37:50 PM
Post by: slowhand on October 03, 2018, 01:48:45 PM
It belongs to all of us. :dunno:
If You want it that bad get there first. If someone wants You to move, that's just to bad friend.
First come first serve.
I have never done the dummy camp thing Myself but My grandpa and uncles did it up in the colockum for Years.
Once they went to the true spike rule they hunted for a couple years and gave it up unless they pull a golden ticket (any Bull tag).
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 03, 2018, 01:56:01 PM
Then I would happen to see someone there on my way out actually camping.
Sometimes people can only afford a $40 tent.
Post by: Sandberm on October 03, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
I left a Dummy Boat anchored in my favorite fishing hole for the next few weeks. You see, my friends and family have been fishing this spot every fall for 30+ years and we would appreciate it if you stayed away from "our" spot and didnt crowd us.
First come first serve right? :tung:
Post by: Rainier10 on October 03, 2018, 02:01:25 PM
I used to laugh when I would see those tents and instantly think "dummy camp".:yeah:
Then I would happen to see someone there on my way out actually camping.
Sometimes people can only afford a $40 tent.
I have seen guys at Swakane in nylon dome tents at the end of November when it is 4 degrees at night.
Post by: slowhand on October 03, 2018, 02:06:15 PM
Just in case any of you guys fishing just above Ringold on the Columbia for salmon are curious, I didnt fall overboard. I'm ok, dont call the sheriff.
I left a Dummy Boat anchored in my favorite fishing hole for the next few weeks. You see, my friends and family have been fishing this spot every fall for 30+ years and we would appreciate it if you stayed away from "our" spot and didnt crowd us.
First come first serve right? :tung:
fishing is a different story. 90% of the fish are found in 10% of the water. If You like to catch fish You better get comfortable with combat fishing. There's a reason the people are fishing shoulder to shoulder. same thing with boats in the water. If You have ever fished lake Washington on the rare occasion when the sockeye are legal to catch. Boats on top of boats. All the public land belongs to all of the public. that includes You and me.
Post by: The Marquis on October 03, 2018, 02:24:36 PM
I used to laugh when I would see those tents and instantly think "dummy camp".:yeah:
Then I would happen to see someone there on my way out actually camping.
Sometimes people can only afford a $40 tent.
I have seen guys at Swakane in nylon dome tents at the end of November when it is 4 degrees at night.
Don't judge. (I know you're not, but you're describing my camping set up)
Post by: Rainier10 on October 03, 2018, 04:03:12 PM
You're right, I wasn't judging. People do it. What some might think is a dummy camp holding a spot for a larger setup sometimes is just what it is, a small dome tent that a guy is camping out of. One should never assume. As they say it makes an ass/u/me.I used to laugh when I would see those tents and instantly think "dummy camp".:yeah:
Then I would happen to see someone there on my way out actually camping.
Sometimes people can only afford a $40 tent.
I have seen guys at Swakane in nylon dome tents at the end of November when it is 4 degrees at night.
Don't judge. (I know you're not, but you're describing my camping set up)
Post by: Woodchuck on October 03, 2018, 04:09:37 PM
Post by: full choke on October 03, 2018, 05:26:35 PM
Just in case any of you guys fishing just above Ringold on the Columbia for salmon are curious, I didnt fall overboard. I'm ok, dont call the sheriff.
I left a Dummy Boat anchored in my favorite fishing hole for the next few weeks. You see, my friends and family have been fishing this spot every fall for 30+ years and we would appreciate it if you stayed away from "our" spot and didnt crowd us.
First come first serve right? :tung:
fishing is a different story. 90% of the fish are found in 10% of the water. If You like to catch fish You better get comfortable with combat fishing. There's a reason the people are fishing shoulder to shoulder. same thing with boats in the water. If You have ever fished lake Washington on the rare occasion when the sockeye are legal to catch. Boats on top of boats. All the public land belongs to all of the public. that includes You and me.
See, that is the problem.
Fishing ISN'T a different story. Someone setting up a dummy camp on public land to save their spot for sometime in the future is the EXACT same thing as was posted above about the fishing hole. No different. You cannot block other members of the public from using public land cause you can't/won't bother to actually be in the camp until later. Period.
Don't care if your granddad's granddad camped at that very location when he hunted elk. YOU have no right to attempt to control that piece of property until you get there. If you are there and camping- great. If not- don't be a POS *censored* and leave your **** there until you can find the time to actually occupy it. Carry on...
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 03, 2018, 05:36:01 PM
I used to laugh when I would see those tents and instantly think "dummy camp".replace $40 dome tent with way over priced backpacking tent and that's me. Even if I am day hunting I've got a lawn chair, a roll top table, and a tent. I dont go hunting to camp so what do I need all the fluff for.
Then I would happen to see someone there on my way out actually camping.
Sometimes people can only afford a $40 tent.
With that said I used to go pal around with the Hiatt camp up in the Wenas years ago during modern rifle elk. I believe they are up to 4 generations now in that camp and probably 40+ years using that site. The camp tradition is a huge part of the hunting heritage and I would NEVER try and take that away from any family or group. Just because its public and first come first served, doesnt necessarily make it that way in my book :twocents:
Post by: mfswallace on October 03, 2018, 05:40:39 PM
I used to laugh when I would see those tents and instantly think "dummy camp".replace $40 dome tent with way over priced backpacking tent and that's me. Even if I am day hunting I've got a lawn chair, a roll top table, and a tent. I dont go hunting to camp so what do I need all the fluff for.
Then I would happen to see someone there on my way out actually camping.
Sometimes people can only afford a $40 tent.
With that said I used to go pal around with the Hiatt camp up in the Wenas years ago during modern rifle elk. I believe they are up to 4 generations now in that camp and probably 40+ years using that site. The camp tradition is a huge part of the hunting heritage and I would NEVER try and take that away from any family or group. Just because its public and first come first served, doesnt necessarily make it that way in my book :twocents:
:hello: howdy neighbor
Burke / Fife camp been about 65yrs! We go back to David Longmire 1871 originally
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 03, 2018, 05:47:57 PM
haha! Haven't been in years. My out of state adventures get in the way now. I never had a rifle tag but learned to skin and split wood in that camp as a young teen. I skinned every elk for about a 7 year span that came through that camp and took great pride when uncle Jim or Grandpa Steve would say "that Karl is an elk skinning sumbitch!" I'd strut around like a rooster :chuckle:I used to laugh when I would see those tents and instantly think "dummy camp".replace $40 dome tent with way over priced backpacking tent and that's me. Even if I am day hunting I've got a lawn chair, a roll top table, and a tent. I dont go hunting to camp so what do I need all the fluff for.
Then I would happen to see someone there on my way out actually camping.
Sometimes people can only afford a $40 tent.
With that said I used to go pal around with the Hiatt camp up in the Wenas years ago during modern rifle elk. I believe they are up to 4 generations now in that camp and probably 40+ years using that site. The camp tradition is a huge part of the hunting heritage and I would NEVER try and take that away from any family or group. Just because its public and first come first served, doesnt necessarily make it that way in my book :twocents:
Burke / Fife camp been about 65yrs :hello: howdy neighbor
Post by: time2hunt on October 03, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
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Post by: RockChuck on October 03, 2018, 06:45:31 PM
haha! Haven't been in years. My out of state adventures get in the way now. I never had a rifle tag but learned to skin and split wood in that camp as a young teen. I skinned every elk for about a 7 year span that came through that camp and took great pride when uncle Jim or Grandpa Steve would say "that Karl is an elk skinning sumbitch!" I'd strut around like a rooster :chuckle:I used to laugh when I would see those tents and instantly think "dummy camp".replace $40 dome tent with way over priced backpacking tent and that's me. Even if I am day hunting I've got a lawn chair, a roll top table, and a tent. I dont go hunting to camp so what do I need all the fluff for.
Then I would happen to see someone there on my way out actually camping.
Sometimes people can only afford a $40 tent.
With that said I used to go pal around with the Hiatt camp up in the Wenas years ago during modern rifle elk. I believe they are up to 4 generations now in that camp and probably 40+ years using that site. The camp tradition is a huge part of the hunting heritage and I would NEVER try and take that away from any family or group. Just because its public and first come first served, doesnt necessarily make it that way in my book :twocents:
Burke / Fife camp been about 65yrs :hello: howdy neighbor
Wow!! Good season! :tup:
Post by: slowhand on October 03, 2018, 07:10:35 PM
Hiatt camp. Interesting?
Must be lost relatives of My family. Same exact last name. Crazy small world.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 03, 2018, 07:18:31 PM
Post by: jstone on October 03, 2018, 08:53:32 PM
Post by: scoutdog346 on October 18, 2018, 05:19:26 AM
This topic seems to come up every year but I was in 328/329 yesterday and noticed several dummy camps already set up for muzzleloader season. More than I've ever seen before. It's pretty clear it's a dummy camp when a single cheap tent is pitched in a giant camp spot with no other sign of recent human activity around. There's a 10 day stay limit within a 30 day time frame in this area so if they're not pulling out by, at the latest, day 3 of the season then they're breaking the law. Beyond that, does anyone know legally how long you can leave a camp unattended in a Washington state forest? I believe in the National Forest it's 2 or 3 days, at which point it becomes abandoned and technically littering. I even saw a tow trailer with a cheap tent in a spot... I'm assuming they dropped the trailer off and went home for the week since nothing was unpacked or setup and the trailer awning was retracted as well as the steps folded in. They could've been out driving around I guess, but I only saw 2 or 3 vehicles driving all day and that doesn't add up to 15+ dummy camps. I personally would never vandalize someones trailer or tent but I also wouldn't feel bad for someone if it happened to them in this situation. I'm also not even sure it would be vandalizing since you willingly and purposefully abandoned your own property on public land for up to a week or longer. Dropping it off and going home for a week or two before you intend to actually inhabit the area is clearly different than spiking out during season or getting a bull down and taking a couple days to get it back to camp. Setting up a dummy camp= BS in my opinion.
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Post by: stickslinger on October 18, 2018, 06:18:00 AM
Post by: dvolmer on October 18, 2018, 09:17:19 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 18, 2018, 09:37:54 AM
Just saying, I have never heard of this problem in Montana and Wyoming! You also might actually get an animal down in one of those two states too!!! hee hee :tung:hahaha! That's like comparing apples to pickled eggs :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 18, 2018, 09:51:36 AM
...no dummy camps in Wyoming... :chuckle: funny guy!Just saying, I have never heard of this problem in Montana and Wyoming! You also might actually get an animal down in one of those two states too!!! hee hee :tung:hahaha! That's like comparing apples to pickled eggs :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 18, 2018, 10:33:18 AM
how many did we see last year? I'd say 75% of camp spots were claimed? I still laugh about that crappy walltent that got lambasted by the snow :chuckle:...no dummy camps in Wyoming... :chuckle: funny guy!Just saying, I have never heard of this problem in Montana and Wyoming! You also might actually get an animal down in one of those two states too!!! hee hee :tung:hahaha! That's like comparing apples to pickled eggs :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 18, 2018, 10:37:10 AM
i was thinking the same thing! I think it was well more than 75% full tho. Since we left before elk season started we really didn’t even need to take a tent. Just pick a nice one and crash there for the week.how many did we see last year? I'd say 75% of camp spots were claimed? I still laugh about that crappy walltent that got lambasted by the snow :chuckle:...no dummy camps in Wyoming... :chuckle: funny guy!Just saying, I have never heard of this problem in Montana and Wyoming! You also might actually get an animal down in one of those two states too!!! hee hee :tung:hahaha! That's like comparing apples to pickled eggs :chuckle:
Post by: ian_padron on October 18, 2018, 10:47:53 AM
It's 328/329...if you're not expecting riff raff you're in for a bad time.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 18, 2018, 10:53:56 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 18, 2018, 12:34:49 PM
:chuckle: one of these days I'll find a good spot and have a good hunt. Maybe even fill a tag :IBCOOL:Don’t you know that limited entry mule deer hunts suck!
Post by: Stein on October 18, 2018, 05:38:23 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 18, 2018, 06:32:18 PM
You guys must be hunting in ritzy areas, the dummy camps I run into involve broken lawn chairs, a cooler without a lid and some used police tape.:chuckle: it was a general elk area. We were there for a MULE deer hunt the week before the season but I'm positive every single human with a general elk tag set up camp the week before. We showed up and were blown away because we thought we were gonna have all the deer to ourselves. Well we did because it was just a ghost town of tents and trailers but the point is it's not exclusive to just WA.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 18, 2018, 06:39:12 PM
We were there for a mile deer hunt
:yike: did you mean max hunting distance from road or the deer are that big. :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 18, 2018, 08:53:34 PM
that's it I'm adding a talk to text disclaimer to my profile :bash:We were there for a mile deer hunt
:yike: did you mean max hunting distance from road or the deer are that big. :dunno: :chuckle:
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Post by: Bob33 on October 18, 2018, 09:14:27 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on October 18, 2018, 09:25:17 PM