Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 07, 2018, 05:01:39 PM
Post by: Alchase on October 07, 2018, 05:25:10 PM
0.308 is a great all around hunting caliber, with similar ballistics to the 30-06.
Ammo is readily available.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 07, 2018, 05:27:39 PM
Post by: CedarPants on October 07, 2018, 05:28:35 PM
Post by: Tjkride on October 07, 2018, 05:32:57 PM
Post by: Bill W on October 07, 2018, 05:34:47 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 07, 2018, 05:35:47 PM
Also available necked down to 7mm which is the 7mm-08.
Or go with the cartridge in question the venerable 7.62mm which of course is the .308.
Post by: Hilltop123 on October 07, 2018, 05:39:05 PM
It's a great cartridge, killed many a deer with it and some at extended range. Hand loaders can really make it shine and get full potential out of it, it can be a very accurate caliber. With a short action, in a light rifle that can be carried all day, whats not to love? I'd still be hunting with mine, but I hunt elk more these days than deer, and wanted something for heavier bullets at extended range. But you can believe if I go back to hunting the thick timber and brush, I'll be putting the 7mm in the safe and pulling out my ole 308, for such work.
Post by: rasbo on October 07, 2018, 06:14:54 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 07, 2018, 06:42:41 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 07, 2018, 06:54:11 PM
very encouraging info, i just got a new .308. what is the difference in 306 and 7.62?
Not much but enough to not shoot one in the other.
https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/7-62-nato-vs-308-winchester-ammo-whats-the-difference/#axzz5TIgPI3ts (https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/7-62-nato-vs-308-winchester-ammo-whats-the-difference/#axzz5TIgPI3ts)
Post by: h20hunter on October 07, 2018, 06:57:43 PM
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on October 07, 2018, 07:15:18 PM
very encouraging info, i just got a new .308. what is the difference in 306 and 7.62?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on October 07, 2018, 07:19:48 PM
Post by: jaymark6655 on October 07, 2018, 07:21:11 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 07, 2018, 07:25:31 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 07, 2018, 07:35:26 PM
For target shooting it's been surpassed by a number of ballistically superior chamberings, including the 260 and 243 which are just necked downed versions of the same case. As a hunting round it's adequate for everything but not really great at anything. The 338 Federal and 358 Winchester have an advantage for medium to large game like bear or elk at moderate ranges (under 250 yards) with bullets in the 200-250gr range. For deer sized critters the smaller 243-7mm cartridges work great giving reduced recoil and flatter trajectories if you're shooting a little longer range.
I think that just like the .223/5.56, the 308/7.62 owes most of it's popularity to being a service round. Even then, I can't think of anybody I know who's using a 308 in a work gun if they have a choice.
Post by: bullfisher on October 07, 2018, 10:06:46 PM
It's not that the 308 is incapable of anything. There's just so many superior flavors out there.
Post by: bobcat on October 07, 2018, 10:17:54 PM
Post by: b23 on October 08, 2018, 12:48:53 AM
As a hunting round it's adequate for everything but not really great at anything.
This pretty well sums it up in my opinion. I don't necessarily have anything against the 308 but IMO there is just sooooooo many, better, cartridges available.
Post by: Taco280AI on October 08, 2018, 05:32:41 AM
The bullet itself is far more important than the cartridge. Choose the right bullet for your hunting and fill your freezer.
Post by: C-Money on October 08, 2018, 07:03:44 AM
It's really splitting hairs to say any other cartridge is "superior" to the 308 Winchester. Yes, some may have slightly less recoil, and some may have one inch less drop at 300 yards, but for an all around hunting cartridge, you really can't beat the 308. I don't even own one, and never have. I have a 270 Win. and a couple of 30/06's, but I sure don't feel I'd be at a disadvantage with a 308 instead of what I currently have.
Well said Bobcat... .308 is a stone cold killer for sure. Excellent cartridge. Much proof to back it up.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 08, 2018, 07:57:44 AM
I did bump up to a 7MM this year because I'm looking at two things: an Alaska trip in the coming years and working on some long range shooting. The .308 would really be sufficient for both, but I liked the 7MM a little more and thought it would be fun to try something new.
Post by: mountainman on October 08, 2018, 08:16:20 AM
Better in what way? If one were to hunt to a max of 300 yards, realistically under 200 yards in the wet side, I don't think there is "better." There's different. There's bigger, faster, more recoil, more impressive on paper, but animals aren't impressed by paper stats.👍For sure! Well said!
The bullet itself is far more important than the cartridge. Choose the right bullet for your hunting and fill your freezer.
Post by: yorketransport on October 08, 2018, 08:39:14 AM
Better in what way? If one were to hunt to a max of 300 yards, realistically under 200 yards in the wet side, I don't think there is "better." There's different. There's bigger, faster, more recoil, more impressive on paper, but animals aren't impressed by paper stats.
The bullet itself is far more important than the cartridge. Choose the right bullet for your hunting and fill your freezer.
You can apply that same perspective to every other cartridge out there. The 308 isn’t popular because it’s so great, it’s popular because it’s popular. Same applies to the 270, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, 223 and 7 Rem Mag. They aren’t the best in their class at anything. They’re popular because of their widespread acceptance and availability but the acceptance and availability are there because they’re popular. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a great modern example of this. It’s not “better” than anything else out there. It’s popular because it’s available and it’s available because it’s popular.
I’ve had At least 6 308s over the years and none of them were anything special. They do make excellent low cost donor rifles for more interesting projects though. :tup:
Post by: bobcat on October 08, 2018, 08:56:50 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 08, 2018, 08:57:59 AM
Depends on your definition of "better," I guess. The headstamp on the cartridge is about the least important factor. More important is the actual quality of the rifle itself, the reliability of the scope, and as Taco280 said, the BULLET.
That's for darn sure.
Post by: Russ McDonald on October 08, 2018, 08:59:08 AM
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 08, 2018, 09:10:24 AM
Post by: bullfisher on October 08, 2018, 09:33:52 AM
308 is a standard baseline round to me. Nothing wrong with it. To each there own. :twocents:
Post by: theleo on October 08, 2018, 09:56:41 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 08, 2018, 10:01:12 AM
All them army snipers over the years did well with the 308 ;).
The Marines used it in the model 70 Winchester. Hathcock's weapon of choice in Vietnam.
Post by: Jpmiller on October 08, 2018, 10:05:42 AM
In all seriousness I've never had any complaints with mine, feel confident with it killing any game in North America and don't see myself upgrading it anytime, but I'm also a sentimental guy. It's available and it kills stuff, pretty much like all other properly set up calibers.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 08, 2018, 10:11:44 AM
My youngest daughter shot a deer with mine at 30 yards, it didn’t now what hit it 👍. I carry it when I get tired of packing a heavier rifle.😉
I really like it on coyotes, it’s a dirt nap machine. 😵
Post by: b23 on October 08, 2018, 10:16:04 AM
Better in what way? If one were to hunt to a max of 300 yards, realistically under 200 yards in the wet side, I don't think there is "better." There's different. There's bigger, faster, more recoil, more impressive on paper, but animals aren't impressed by paper stats.
The bullet itself is far more important than the cartridge. Choose the right bullet for your hunting and fill your freezer.
For me, the 308 is on the low end of the scale in just about ever category. Yes, I'll take the bigger, faster, more recoil, and more impressive on paper cartridge every time if given the choice, but that's just me.
As for choosing the right bullet, now there is a topic with endless debate. I'm of the believe, shot placement, trumps bullet choice.
Post by: yorketransport on October 08, 2018, 10:22:40 AM
The 308 is a capable all round caliber. It will work for all round mid range target shooting (under 1000 yards), has manageable recoil that almost anyone can learn to handle, it will certainly work on large animals over 500 lbs, and it fits into a variety of rifle platforms to suit just about anybody's tastes. The 308 represents a very small portion of the rifles in competition outside of the restricted classes, a 7# 308 has enough recoil that many find it uncomfortable to shoot (that's why the 6.5s and 6mm options are often suggested for youth and female shooters), I doubt anyone has built their ideal elk rifle and thought the 308 was the best possible option. As far as fitting into many different styles of rifles, I'll give the 308 credit where credit is due. You can have just about any style of action you'd like chambered in 308.
The 308 isn't a bad round, it's just boring and utilitarian; like a half ton truck.
Post by: b23 on October 08, 2018, 10:22:59 AM
All them army snipers over the years did well with the 308 ;).
The Marines used it in the model 70 Winchester. Hathcock's weapon of choice in Vietnam.
Not trying to drag this conversation into the weeds, but wasn't Hathcock's weapon of his choice the Win model 70 in 30-06 and it wasn't until the wide use of the 308, which made 30-06 ammo availability a concern, that he switched over to the 308? I'm certainly no Carlos Hathcock aficionado so that may not be the deal but I'm pretty sure his first choice was the Model 70 30-06.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 08, 2018, 10:42:47 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 08, 2018, 11:09:57 AM
The 308 is like a crew cab half ton pickup. An F-150 is a capable daily driver, will get a small family around anywhere they need to go, capable of towing and hauling enough weight to cover most people's uses, and can get to most locations without much trouble. If you can only have one vehicle, it's not a bad choice. If I have a long commute every day though I'd take something with better fuel economy or a smoother ride. If I need more than 4 seats for a couple of adults though, I'd look at something else. If I'm hauling heavy loads on a regular basis, it wouldn't be my first choice. If I live in the city with tight streets or spend a lot of time on some remote logging roads, I'd want a smaller vehicle.
The 308 is a capable all round caliber. It will work for all round mid range target shooting (under 1000 yards), has manageable recoil that almost anyone can learn to handle, it will certainly work on large animals over 500 lbs, and it fits into a variety of rifle platforms to suit just about anybody's tastes. The 308 represents a very small portion of the rifles in competition outside of the restricted classes, a 7# 308 has enough recoil that many find it uncomfortable to shoot (that's why the 6.5s and 6mm options are often suggested for youth and female shooters), I doubt anyone has built their ideal elk rifle and thought the 308 was the best possible option. As far as fitting into many different styles of rifles, I'll give the 308 credit where credit is due. You can have just about any style of action you'd like chambered in 308.
The 308 isn't a bad round, it's just boring and utilitarian; like a half ton truck.
Yorke-
Do you drive a lifted diesel F-350 with 40" tires and those big spike lug nuts?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 08, 2018, 11:32:33 AM
Ughhh.... only 40s? I’d be so disappointed if that’s the case... :dunno: should be at least 44s and 28 inch rims. Plus don’t forget about the smoke stacks. :chuckle:The 308 is like a crew cab half ton pickup. An F-150 is a capable daily driver, will get a small family around anywhere they need to go, capable of towing and hauling enough weight to cover most people's uses, and can get to most locations without much trouble. If you can only have one vehicle, it's not a bad choice. If I have a long commute every day though I'd take something with better fuel economy or a smoother ride. If I need more than 4 seats for a couple of adults though, I'd look at something else. If I'm hauling heavy loads on a regular basis, it wouldn't be my first choice. If I live in the city with tight streets or spend a lot of time on some remote logging roads, I'd want a smaller vehicle.
The 308 is a capable all round caliber. It will work for all round mid range target shooting (under 1000 yards), has manageable recoil that almost anyone can learn to handle, it will certainly work on large animals over 500 lbs, and it fits into a variety of rifle platforms to suit just about anybody's tastes. The 308 represents a very small portion of the rifles in competition outside of the restricted classes, a 7# 308 has enough recoil that many find it uncomfortable to shoot (that's why the 6.5s and 6mm options are often suggested for youth and female shooters), I doubt anyone has built their ideal elk rifle and thought the 308 was the best possible option. As far as fitting into many different styles of rifles, I'll give the 308 credit where credit is due. You can have just about any style of action you'd like chambered in 308.
The 308 isn't a bad round, it's just boring and utilitarian; like a half ton truck.
Yorke-
Do you drive a lifted diesel F-350 with 40" tires and those big spike lug nuts?
And some lights inside the fenders to light up the tires too.
Besides, my “non308” can beat up your 308 any time any place.
Post by: Angry Perch on October 08, 2018, 11:35:05 AM
The 308 is like a crew cab half ton pickup. An F-150 is a capable daily driver, will get a small family around anywhere they need to go, capable of towing and hauling enough weight to cover most people's uses, and can get to most locations without much trouble. If you can only have one vehicle, it's not a bad choice. If I have a long commute every day though I'd take something with better fuel economy or a smoother ride. If I need more than 4 seats for a couple of adults though, I'd look at something else. If I'm hauling heavy loads on a regular basis, it wouldn't be my first choice. If I live in the city with tight streets or spend a lot of time on some remote logging roads, I'd want a smaller vehicle.
The 308 is a capable all round caliber. It will work for all round mid range target shooting (under 1000 yards), has manageable recoil that almost anyone can learn to handle, it will certainly work on large animals over 500 lbs, and it fits into a variety of rifle platforms to suit just about anybody's tastes. The 308 represents a very small portion of the rifles in competition outside of the restricted classes, a 7# 308 has enough recoil that many find it uncomfortable to shoot (that's why the 6.5s and 6mm options are often suggested for youth and female shooters), I doubt anyone has built their ideal elk rifle and thought the 308 was the best possible option. As far as fitting into many different styles of rifles, I'll give the 308 credit where credit is due. You can have just about any style of action you'd like chambered in 308.
The 308 isn't a bad round, it's just boring and utilitarian; like a half ton truck.
Hey now, I drive a crew cab f150, and that was hurtful!
I'm guessing the 30-06 and the box of Core-Lokt in the back seat don't make me any less boring and utilitarian either? :'(
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 08, 2018, 11:48:14 AM
my crewcab f150 has a sunroof so it takes me out of the 308 class!The 308 is like a crew cab half ton pickup. An F-150 is a capable daily driver, will get a small family around anywhere they need to go, capable of towing and hauling enough weight to cover most people's uses, and can get to most locations without much trouble. If you can only have one vehicle, it's not a bad choice. If I have a long commute every day though I'd take something with better fuel economy or a smoother ride. If I need more than 4 seats for a couple of adults though, I'd look at something else. If I'm hauling heavy loads on a regular basis, it wouldn't be my first choice. If I live in the city with tight streets or spend a lot of time on some remote logging roads, I'd want a smaller vehicle.
The 308 is a capable all round caliber. It will work for all round mid range target shooting (under 1000 yards), has manageable recoil that almost anyone can learn to handle, it will certainly work on large animals over 500 lbs, and it fits into a variety of rifle platforms to suit just about anybody's tastes. The 308 represents a very small portion of the rifles in competition outside of the restricted classes, a 7# 308 has enough recoil that many find it uncomfortable to shoot (that's why the 6.5s and 6mm options are often suggested for youth and female shooters), I doubt anyone has built their ideal elk rifle and thought the 308 was the best possible option. As far as fitting into many different styles of rifles, I'll give the 308 credit where credit is due. You can have just about any style of action you'd like chambered in 308.
The 308 isn't a bad round, it's just boring and utilitarian; like a half ton truck.
Hey now, I drive a crew cab f150, and that was hurtful!
I'm guessing the 30-06 and the box of Core-Lokt in the back seat don't make me any less boring and utilitarian either? :'(
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 08, 2018, 11:48:34 AM
Yorke-
Do you drive a lifted diesel F-350 with 40" tires and those big spike lug nuts?
Was that the one with the 6.5 Creedmoor in the felt padded gunrack ?
Post by: rasbo on October 08, 2018, 11:51:22 AM
Post by: Igor on October 08, 2018, 12:11:08 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 08, 2018, 12:20:22 PM
Yorke-
Do you drive a lifted diesel F-350 with 40" tires and those big spike lug nuts?
I'd never slum it with an F-350! I have a Siverado 2500 Duramax. :chuckle: I can't have big tires or a lift kit because I'm too short; I have to stick with 285/75 16s unless I install a rope ladder to get in and out. And instead of spikes I use 50 BMG cases on my lug nuts. :chuckle:
Was that the one with the 6.5 Creedmoor in the felt padded gunrack ?
I've got to keep that Creedmoor looking good! Besides, if the Vortex PST mounted on there doesn't get a smooth ride in the gun rack it's zero will shift and I won't win the PRS match I'm driving to!
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Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 08, 2018, 02:40:47 PM
Post by: h20hunter on October 08, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 08, 2018, 03:03:44 PM
i was always under the impression the .308 is not a good long range round, and now i seem to be reading different? :dunno:What are your definitions of "long range" and "good"?
Post by: lamrith on October 08, 2018, 03:14:34 PM
Now with all the hot new calibers being dreamed up there are so many options there just is no perfect caliber. I was and still am a huge fan of 6.5grendel. I went to it because I am a fan of the AR15 platform and it provides 308 ballistics in the Std AR15 platform and is extremely low recoil. The recoil is so good you could put pretty much anyone behind the gun and they could shoot all day with it in the AR platform without fatigue due to recoil. Ballistics on it are actually better past about 400yrds with it carrying more energy and less drop off. My shoulder was bad for a while so it was just a no brainer all the way around.
However as of 2 months ago I have sold my Grendel and moved to 308 as my longer range caliber. I had been shooting my Savage 10 bolt action in 308 a bit and I started to like it enough that I just built up a LR308 as well so I can shoot the 308 in bolt action or semi. Components are cheaper to reload with, I can always snag ammo off the shelf if I am on a trip and lose ammo for some reason, and I find the round is easier to load and set case shoulder on than Grendel was. Plus for me I can share some powders with 223 and some bullets with my 300blk. I was still in load development so had not narrowed down, but it cut 5 powders, and hundreds of bullets out of my components I needed to stock.
Post by: mountainman on October 08, 2018, 08:19:24 PM
Post by: Highhuntin on October 08, 2018, 08:33:10 PM
Post by: mountainman on October 08, 2018, 08:46:30 PM
You guys are making me wish I’d have sighted in my .308 for this year! Maybe I’ll get a new scope mounted, work up a load in the off season and take it out next year for old times sake!👍😉
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 08, 2018, 08:59:52 PM
Different calibers are fun, but no denying, the "lowly" .308 is undoubtedly, the most popular round out there..You think? In 1950 yes. I know of no one using one. 30-06, 300 Win, 7mm, .270, .243 seem to far outnumber .308 users.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2018, 09:03:16 PM
Different calibers are fun, but no denying, the "lowly" .308 is undoubtedly, the most popular round out there..You think? In 1950 yes. I know of no one using one. 30-06, 300 Win, 7mm, .270, .243 seem to far outnumber .308 users.
I agree and stated such but my last post got deleted in a hurry.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2018, 09:05:57 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 08, 2018, 09:26:09 PM
Post by: mountainman on October 08, 2018, 09:47:35 PM
Different calibers are fun, but no denying, the "lowly" .308 is undoubtedly, the most popular round out there..You think? In 1950 yes. I know of no one using one. 30-06, 300 Win, 7mm, .270, .243 seem to far outnumber .308 users.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.308_Winchester
Post by: mountainman on October 08, 2018, 09:56:52 PM
Here's my 308..Nice Camp!
Post by: KFhunter on October 08, 2018, 09:57:23 PM
It's a bread and butter gun, you'll shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and eventually you'll want something sexier -but not out of necessity - but because all those aforementioned "cool kids" will all be say'n "oh, you got a .308 huh....why?" and if you aren't fully secure in your manhood you'll be buying some flavor of the month gun in a chambering you'll never find in a walmart.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 08, 2018, 10:22:34 PM
Here's my 308..Nice Camp!
Thank you.............
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 08, 2018, 10:24:26 PM
I've killed more animals with that caliber then all the other calibers I've owned. It's just a comfortable caliber that has proven to be accurate and reliable.
What people like or use is up to them but I'm not one to jump on the bandwagon. :tup:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 08, 2018, 10:28:27 PM
All the cool kids may scoff at the .308 now, but they probably cut their teeth on it.
It's a bread and butter gun, you'll shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and eventually you'll want something sexier -but not out of necessity - but because all those aforementioned "cool kids" will all be say'n "oh, you got a .308 huh....why?" and if you aren't fully secure in your manhood you'll be buying some flavor of the month gun in a chambering you'll never find in a walmart.
Here's after picture of a Walmart type of rifle. Savage action donor..
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
That 6.5 Grendel has that .308 out classed. Then again there are reasons for owning .308’s and 5.56’s. A cold one and the movie Patriot will give a guy a good under standing of “Common Chamberings”.
Post by: jackelope on October 08, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Post by: mountainman on October 08, 2018, 10:42:28 PM
I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?Why not👍
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2018, 10:46:06 PM
I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?
Run what you brung. I’ve smoked a bunch in the orchards with a .22 Mag. Sticks with pointy things on the end work. To each their own. 👍 I have a truck in the shop right now getting repaired. It smoked two of them at 50mph. I’m sure if I wired my water trough to 480, I would have one laying there in the morning.🙃 Deer are wusses, so are moose , contrary to popular belief.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 08, 2018, 10:46:26 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 08, 2018, 10:54:29 PM
I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?Just don’t make a habit of it or guys will start thinkn ur old...... :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2018, 10:55:58 PM
I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?Just don’t make a habit of it or guys will start thinkn ur old...... :chuckle:
When he’s running a 7-08 is when we know it’s all over.
Post by: mountainman on October 08, 2018, 10:59:44 PM
Maybe those old guys know something we don't? Lol! Like the 308 kills just as good as it has for years...maybe some like the newer whiz bang rounds, hoping it will make them more successful hunters i imagine. Doesn't work😉I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?Just don’t make a habit of it or guys will start thinkn ur old...... :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 08, 2018, 11:06:24 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 08, 2018, 11:09:50 PM
Camp,
That 6.5 Grendel has that .308 out classed. Then again there are reasons for owning .308’s and 5.56’s. A cold one and the movie Patriot will give a guy a good under standing of “Common Chamberings”.
It certainly does. It's a beautiful gun.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2018, 11:14:19 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 08, 2018, 11:17:14 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 08, 2018, 11:18:34 PM
My Savage 308 donor action......now a 6.5 Creedmoor.
That’s not yours, unless you bought a strap on man bun.👶
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2018, 11:22:59 PM
I liked handgun hunting with my T/C Encore, 15 inch barrel in 308. Shot a whitetail over by Ridgerats and dropped dead in it's tracks.
Great truck/ window pistol. 🙃
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2018, 11:25:51 PM
Hmmmmmmm 2750fps with a 168? Or 3225fps with a 162?
Decisions.. Decisions?
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FB73E3FC1-DF86-4DF0-B174-9B5BA62367B0_zps8lamck3q.png&hash=c69cdd6184ce00449450772eb6a1362a9a526a73) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/B73E3FC1-DF86-4DF0-B174-9B5BA62367B0_zps8lamck3q.png.html)
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 09, 2018, 06:50:21 AM
But a 308 will obviously make anybody a more successful hunter! Because science and facts and stuff. :chuckle:Maybe those old guys know something we don't? Lol! Like the 308 kills just as good as it has for years...maybe some like the newer whiz bang rounds, hoping it will make them more successful hunters i imagine. Doesn't work😉I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?Just don’t make a habit of it or guys will start thinkn ur old...... :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 09, 2018, 06:50:59 AM
You mean to tell me he ain’t old? :dunno: :chuckle:I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?Just don’t make a habit of it or guys will start thinkn ur old...... :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 09, 2018, 07:05:26 AM
My Savage 308 donor action......now a 6.5 Creedmoor.
That’s not yours, unless you bought a strap on man bun.👶
I hate man buns..........
Post by: Highhuntin on October 09, 2018, 07:35:51 AM
My Savage 308 donor action......now a 6.5 Creedmoor.
That’s not yours, unless you bought a strap on man bun.👶
I hate man buns..........
cant we ban man buns?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 09, 2018, 07:44:43 AM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 09, 2018, 08:43:13 AM
All the cool kids may scoff at the .308 now, but they probably cut their teeth on it.
It's a bread and butter gun, you'll shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and eventually you'll want something sexier -but not out of necessity - but because all those aforementioned "cool kids" will all be say'n "oh, you got a .308 huh....why?" and if you aren't fully secure in your manhood you'll be buying some flavor of the month gun in a chambering you'll never find in a walmart.
:chuckle: :chuckle: thats awesome KF
Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 09, 2018, 08:45:49 AM
oh id love to throw mine on a frame like that, where do i get one :DAll the cool kids may scoff at the .308 now, but they probably cut their teeth on it.
It's a bread and butter gun, you'll shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and eventually you'll want something sexier -but not out of necessity - but because all those aforementioned "cool kids" will all be say'n "oh, you got a .308 huh....why?" and if you aren't fully secure in your manhood you'll be buying some flavor of the month gun in a chambering you'll never find in a walmart.
Here's after picture of a Walmart type of rifle. Savage action donor..
Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 09, 2018, 08:50:27 AM
Maybe some just run their yap to run their yap. Holes kill stuff! Run what ya brung!ok i found my next signature line :chuckle: @biggerhammer
Post by: Rainier10 on October 09, 2018, 09:22:16 AM
Post by: jackelope on October 09, 2018, 12:37:07 PM
I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?Just don’t make a habit of it or guys will start thinkn ur old...... :chuckle:
When he’s running a 7-08 is when we know it’s all over.
Would a 7-08 pistol with a 15” barrel be better? That’s all I got in that chambering.
Post by: jackelope on October 09, 2018, 12:38:44 PM
My Savage 308 donor action......now a 6.5 Creedmoor.
I can see your man bun from here, dude.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 09, 2018, 02:51:02 PM
oh id love to throw mine on a frame like that, where do i get one :DAll the cool kids may scoff at the .308 now, but they probably cut their teeth on it.
It's a bread and butter gun, you'll shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and eventually you'll want something sexier -but not out of necessity - but because all those aforementioned "cool kids" will all be say'n "oh, you got a .308 huh....why?" and if you aren't fully secure in your manhood you'll be buying some flavor of the month gun in a chambering you'll never find in a walmart.
I believe Rainer Arms sells them. Look it up of Killer Innovations website. They're expensive.....MSRP is $850 I think. They are made in Tumwater/Olympia.
MDT are the other chassis on my 6.5's.
Here's after picture of a Walmart type of rifle. Savage action donor..
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 09, 2018, 02:52:33 PM
My Savage 308 donor action......now a 6.5 Creedmoor.
I can see your man bun from here, dude.
Negative on that.............
Post by: Kc_Kracker on October 09, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 09, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
All the cool kids may scoff at the .308 now, but they probably cut their teeth on it.[/b]
It's a bread and butter gun, you'll shoot it and shoot it and shoot it and eventually you'll want something sexier -but not out of necessity - but because all those aforementioned "cool kids" will all be say'n "oh, you got a .308 huh....why?" and if you aren't fully secure in your manhood you'll be buying some flavor of the month gun in a chambering you'll never find in a walmart.
The way I see it, there's 3 types of shooters. There's the ones who buy guns and ammo at big box retailers like Big 5, Walmart, Cabelas and places like that. Then there's the guys who hit up the local gun shops. And then there are the guys who've gone far enough down the rabbit hole that no shop carries what they're looking for. With any hobby or sport, you eventually get deep enough into it that you've reached a point where products designed for the mass market just don't perform up to the shooter's expectations/skills/demands. A stock Savage 308 with a Nikon Buckmasters scope shooting quality match ammunition is a great gun for a guy who casually shoots out to 1000 yards; I've helped countless guys do just that. Anyone who gets more involved in the sport moves on to more specialized equipment though because they quickly outgrow the capabilities of the one sized fits all platforms.
I’m deer hunting with a .308 this year for the first time ever. Why not?Just don’t make a habit of it or guys will start thinkn ur old...... :chuckle:
When he’s running a 7-08 is when we know it’s all over.
Would a 7-08 pistol with a 15” barrel be better? That’s all I got in that chambering.
Everything's better when it's shot from a 15" barrel. :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on October 09, 2018, 04:01:47 PM
The way I see it, there's 3 types of shooters. There's the ones who buy guns and ammo at big box retailers like Big 5, Walmart, Cabelas and places like that. Then there's the guys who hit up the local gun shops. And then there are the guys who've gone far enough down the rabbit hole that no shop carries what they're looking for. With any hobby or sport, you eventually get deep enough into it that you've reached a point where products designed for the mass market just don't perform up to the shooter's expectations/skills/demands. A stock Savage 308 with a Nikon Buckmasters scope shooting quality match ammunition is a great gun for a guy who casually shoots out to 1000 yards; I've helped countless guys do just that. Anyone who gets more involved in the sport moves on to more specialized equipment though because they quickly outgrow the capabilities of the one sized fits all platforms.
York, the OP asked for opinions on a .308, so what kind of shooter do you think he is?
Post by: yorketransport on October 09, 2018, 05:06:21 PM
The way I see it, there's 3 types of shooters. There's the ones who buy guns and ammo at big box retailers like Big 5, Walmart, Cabelas and places like that. Then there's the guys who hit up the local gun shops. And then there are the guys who've gone far enough down the rabbit hole that no shop carries what they're looking for. With any hobby or sport, you eventually get deep enough into it that you've reached a point where products designed for the mass market just don't perform up to the shooter's expectations/skills/demands. A stock Savage 308 with a Nikon Buckmasters scope shooting quality match ammunition is a great gun for a guy who casually shoots out to 1000 yards; I've helped countless guys do just that. Anyone who gets more involved in the sport moves on to more specialized equipment though because they quickly outgrow the capabilities of the one sized fits all platforms.
York, the OP asked for opinions on a .308, so what kind of shooter do you think he is?
I would guess he's a casual shooter who views guns as simple tools. He's likely more of a hunter than a shooter, so I imagine he views a rifle as a piece of gear to be used while hunting just like any other equipment like rain gear, binos or boots.
That's very different from people like me who are shooters who hunt. For folks like me, hunting is just an excuse to build or buy another gun. That's why I have different guns for different hunting scenarios. Then once I've taken an animal with any given gun, it gets retired or rotated to the back of the line so I can use a different gun next season. Life's too short to hunt with boring guns! :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on October 09, 2018, 05:48:19 PM
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That's very different from people like me
Exactly, Thank you.
I try to tailor my advice from the information the OP gives me, he's asking about a .308 so that tells me something. (is the thread about you? or him?)
We can also see he's not in the predator section of the forum asking about a coyote gun that won't destroy pelts; nor is he in the out of state hunting section asking about a gun for antelope 800 yards out in 40 mph crosswinds. I don't see him in the bear section asking about what pill will stop a 400lb black bear in it's tracks... (all black bears are 400 lbs right??)
Too much knowledge can be detrimental to the conversation and overload the person asking for advice (ever been at a doctors office discussing a complicated surgery?)
On my next antelope gun I'll ask about that gun that will buck a 40 mph crosswind, but still be pretty flat out to 800 yards and not ruin much meat ;)
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 09, 2018, 06:08:24 PM
The way I see it, there's 3 types of shooters. There's the ones who buy guns and ammo at big box retailers like Big 5, Walmart, Cabelas and places like that. Then there's the guys who hit up the local gun shops. And then there are the guys who've gone far enough down the rabbit hole that no shop carries what they're looking for. With any hobby or sport, you eventually get deep enough into it that you've reached a point where products designed for the mass market just don't perform up to the shooter's expectations/skills/demands. A stock Savage 308 with a Nikon Buckmasters scope shooting quality match ammunition is a great gun for a guy who casually shoots out to 1000 yards; I've helped countless guys do just that. Anyone who gets more involved in the sport moves on to more specialized equipment though because they quickly outgrow the capabilities of the one sized fits all platforms.
York, the OP asked for opinions on a .308, so what kind of shooter do you think he is?
I would guess he's a casual shooter who views guns as simple tools. He's likely more of a hunter than a shooter, so I imagine he views a rifle as a piece of gear to be used while hunting just like any other equipment like rain gear, binos or boots.
That's very different from people like me who are shooters who hunt. For folks like me, hunting is just an excuse to build or buy another gun. That's why I have different guns for different hunting scenarios. Then once I've taken an animal with any given gun, it gets retired or rotated to the back of the line so I can use a different gun next season. Life's too short to hunt with boring guns! :tup:
Yep, I’m the gun tool guy. :hunter:
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 09, 2018, 06:18:56 PM
I've tried various brands and various calibers but this one seems to do it for me. Go and try what you want and like until you find it. :tup:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 09, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Too much knowledge can be detrimental to the conversation and overload the person asking for advice (ever been at a doctors office discussing a complicated surgery?)Nooooooo....... Its the interweb no such thing as too much info - keep the posts coming just stop reading when you have had enough - 99% of the entertainment value is to the other readers not the OP who may or may not be interested in all the info coming forth but some of us are. :tup:
Post by: Jolten on October 09, 2018, 07:04:25 PM
QuoteThat's very different from people like me
Exactly, Thank you.
I try to tailor my advice from the information the OP gives me, he's asking about a .308 so that tells me something. (is the thread about you? or him?)
We can also see he's not in the predator section of the forum asking about a coyote gun that won't destroy pelts; nor is he in the out of state hunting section asking about a gun for antelope 800 yards out in 40 mph crosswinds. I don't see him in the bear section asking about what pill will stop a 400lb black bear in it's tracks... (all black bears are 400 lbs right??)
Too much knowledge can be detrimental to the conversation and overload the person asking for advice (ever been at a doctors office discussing a complicated surgery?)
On my next antelope gun I'll ask about that gun that will buck a 40 mph crosswind, but still be pretty flat out to 800 yards and not ruin much meat ;)
In my opinion and no offense it seems like York's posts added more to the OP's topic then your quotation and comments on York's post.
As someone like the OP I asked opinions on a caliber and York's posts along with bigger hammer And a few others made me want to try other calibers. Because of posts and PMs exchanged with York I bought a .308.
Post by: bullfisher on October 09, 2018, 07:38:35 PM
:beatdeadhorse: :bfg:
Post by: KFhunter on October 09, 2018, 07:39:48 PM
QuoteThat's very different from people like me
Exactly, Thank you.
I try to tailor my advice from the information the OP gives me, he's asking about a .308 so that tells me something. (is the thread about you? or him?)
We can also see he's not in the predator section of the forum asking about a coyote gun that won't destroy pelts; nor is he in the out of state hunting section asking about a gun for antelope 800 yards out in 40 mph crosswinds. I don't see him in the bear section asking about what pill will stop a 400lb black bear in it's tracks... (all black bears are 400 lbs right??)
Too much knowledge can be detrimental to the conversation and overload the person asking for advice (ever been at a doctors office discussing a complicated surgery?)
On my next antelope gun I'll ask about that gun that will buck a 40 mph crosswind, but still be pretty flat out to 800 yards and not ruin much meat ;)
In my opinion and no offense it seems like York's posts added more to the OP's topic then your quotation and comments on York's post.
As someone like the OP I asked opinions on a caliber and York's posts along with bigger hammer And a few others made me want to try other calibers. Because of posts and PMs exchanged with York I bought a .308.
That wasn't really what my post was about (advising on the pro's and cons of a .308)
I don't even own a .308, I only have one gathering dust in a closest because it came with a woman :chuckle:
Post by: fishngamereaper on October 09, 2018, 07:58:05 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 09, 2018, 08:00:11 PM
As someone like the OP I asked opinions on a caliber and York's posts along with bigger hammer And a few others made me want to try other calibers. Because of posts and PMs exchanged with York I bought a .308.
If I had any part in you buying a 308, I've failed in more ways than I can even begin to comprehend. :bash:
I try to tailor my advice from the information the OP gives me, he's asking about a .308 so that tells me something. (is the thread about you? or him?)
We can also see he's not in the predator section of the forum asking about a coyote gun that won't destroy pelts; nor is he in the out of state hunting section asking about a gun for antelope 800 yards out in 40 mph crosswinds. I don't see him in the bear section asking about what pill will stop a 400lb black bear in it's tracks... (all black bears are 400 lbs right??)
I assume that if somebody asks a question about a specific cartridge, that they've got limited first hand experience with it or they're just fishing for a confirmation bias (I don't think that's the case here with the OP). In the case of a common round like the 308, I also assume that the person asking the question has a very casual (limited) knowledge of other offerings which may fall into the same general performance bracket. At that point it can benefit everyone reading along (not just the OP) to discuss other viable options which can accomplish the same goal. Maybe something like a 243, 260, 6.5 or 6mm Creedmoor, or 7-08 would actually be a better fit for the end user. It's not as if we're coming in and suggesting that the OP should ditch the 308 and grab a 338 RUM.
I think you may be struggling to pick up on the tongue-in-cheek nature of the VAST majority of my posts here and elsewhere in the forum. I don't know Kc_Kracker, but he seems to be rolling with the lighthearted jabs at the 308 pretty well. It would appear that he picked up a 308 just because it works for what he's got in mind and was the right gun, at the right price, at the right time. That doesn't make it the best choice, the best chambering, or even a distant 3rd place. That just makes it what he ended up with.
:beatdeadhorse: :bfg:
So you're saying we should use a dead horse to test bullet performance? If you say so...... :chuckle:
Post by: Jolten on October 09, 2018, 08:02:55 PM
To the OP : I've got a .243 .308 win and a 6.5 grendal if you're ever in the area your welcome to test run any of them
Post by: KFhunter on October 09, 2018, 08:19:06 PM
I assume that if somebody asks a question about a specific cartridge, that they've got limited first hand experience with it or they're just fishing for a confirmation bias (I don't think that's the case here with the OP). In the case of a common round like the 308, I also assume that the person asking the question has a very casual (limited) knowledge of other offerings which may fall into the same general performance bracket. At that point it can benefit everyone reading along (not just the OP) to discuss other viable options which can accomplish the same goal. Maybe something like a 243, 260, 6.5 or 6mm Creedmoor, or 7-08 would actually be a better fit for the end user. It's not as if we're coming in and suggesting that the OP should ditch the 308 and grab a 338 RUM.
I think you may be struggling to pick up on the tongue-in-cheek nature of the FAST majority of my posts here and elsewhere in the forum. I don't know Kc_Kracker, but he seems to be rolling with the lighthearted jabs at the 308 pretty well. It would appear that he picked up a 308 just because it works for what he's got in mind and was the right gun, at the right price, at the right time. That doesn't make it the best choice, the best chambering, or even a distant 3rd place. That just makes it what he ended up with.
Well said :tup: Totally agree, and BTW I didn't promote him buying a .308 ;)
Because of posts and PMs exchanged with York I bought a .308.
That's the funniest thing I've read on here in a long time :tup:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 09, 2018, 08:37:04 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,232107.msg3094717/topicseen.html#new
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 10, 2018, 12:27:23 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 10, 2018, 05:31:32 PM
Great scope!🙃
Good one!! :chuckle:
Post by: Rainier10 on October 10, 2018, 08:58:19 PM
Great scope!🙃Good job saying something nice.