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Title: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Cab on October 12, 2018, 09:49:31 AM
I bought a Howa 1500 (Kuiu partnership) on July 4th this year. I put a few hundred rounds through it over the last 3 months and cleaned it after each shooting session. I mostly used Rem oil, once in a while I would use a pad with a light amount of Rem action cleaner but then would clean it out and would finish with oil. I went out shooting this week and the first shot the casing wouldn't eject. It was stuck in the chamber and using a cleaning rod wouldn't push it out. I took it to a gunsmith, he got the casing out and then scoped it. There was pitting in the chamber that's why the casing got stuck. The gunsmith said the barrel was totally fine just the chamber had the pitting. He asked if I used heavy solvents and left any in, I told him no. He is now polishing the chamber to see if it fixes it but if the pitting is deep there is nothing he can do. The cost to fix it would be the cost of a new rifle pretty much. Anyone have any idea how a rifle that is 3 months old can have pitting that bad? I have no idea how that could have happened other then this rifle was on sale and they were trying to clear them out at Sportsmans so I have no idea how long it sat around(only theory I have). Not sure if this would be under warranty by Howa so I might be SOL. Might turn it into a project gun if it can't be fixed and isn't under warranty.
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: jasnt on October 12, 2018, 10:12:08 AM
new barrel would be cheaper and prob more accurate
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Stein on October 12, 2018, 10:25:56 AM
If he can't fix it I would send it back to Howa.

Nothing you did should have done anything even remotely like what you saw.  You were using factory loads with the solvents you mentioned?  Nothing else?  It didn't get dropped in the ocean, shot old surplus ammo, fancy break in miracle homebrew solvent or anything like that?
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Bofire on October 12, 2018, 10:29:10 AM
I agree contact Howa!!
Carl
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Timberstalker on October 12, 2018, 10:29:34 AM
If he can't fix it I would send it back to Howa.

Nothing you did should have done anything even remotely like what you saw.  You were using factory loads with the solvents you mentioned?  Nothing else?  It didn't get dropped in the ocean, shot old surplus ammo, fancy break in miracle homebrew solvent or anything like that?

Here is some solid advice.
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Cab on October 12, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
If he can't fix it I would send it back to Howa.

Nothing you did should have done anything even remotely like what you saw.  You were using factory loads with the solvents you mentioned?  Nothing else?  It didn't get dropped in the ocean, shot old surplus ammo, fancy break in miracle homebrew solvent or anything like that?

Nope all I ever shot was factory ammo and generally decent quality ammo never cheap stuff. All I have ever used on guns is Rem action cleaner lightly and then Rem oil. It's also stored right by a dehumidifier that runs 24/7 which is checked twice daily.
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: andersonjk4 on October 12, 2018, 10:44:48 AM
Tagging as I bought one of these rifles a few weeks ago.  I'll have to take a good look into the chamber when I get home.  Hopefully you can get it cleaned up or Howa takes care of it.  Good luck.
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Cab on October 12, 2018, 10:47:12 AM
Tagging as I bought one of these rifles a few weeks ago.  I'll have to take a good look into the chamber when I get home.  Hopefully you can get it cleaned up or Howa takes care of it.  Good luck.

Thanks! I have always heard Howa makes good rifles and I really enjoyed mine till this. Hope your's is free and clear of any pitting.
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Cab on October 19, 2018, 02:33:25 PM
FINAL RESULT! I dropped the rifle off on thur and got a call fri at 4, they had fixed my rifle!! I went in and talked with them, it turns out it wasn't nearly as bad as they thought. They polished it up for about an hour and it was good to go. They were slammed with work but went above and beyond so that I could have the rifle to go hunting for opening day, they said " We never want to keep you out of the woods if we can help it." Tested the rifle and it runs like new! Thanks to them I got to go out opening day for mule deer. J. Beagle Rifles was the shop I went and I would HIGHLY recommend them to anyone as they truly care about their customers and do fantastic work! Now if I can just close the deal on a buck, I would certainly bring them some steaks as a thank you. :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on October 19, 2018, 02:39:28 PM
 :tup: Great news!  Good luck with your season!
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Cab on October 19, 2018, 02:59:22 PM
:tup: Great news!  Good luck with your season!

Thank you and same to you!
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: bobcat on October 19, 2018, 03:04:05 PM
Probably wasn't even pitted, just needed a good cleaning. Good luck on your hunt.
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Bofire on October 19, 2018, 03:18:09 PM
Great!!!!!
Carl
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: Cab on October 19, 2018, 03:47:14 PM
Probably wasn't even pitted, just needed a good cleaning. Good luck on your hunt.

Thats what the guy that cleaned it said, there was no pitting but certainly surface corrosion. So it all worked out thankfully.
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: cardinalguns on October 26, 2018, 10:50:17 AM
Probably wasn't even pitted, just needed a good cleaning. Good luck on your hunt.

+1
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: argie1891 on October 30, 2018, 11:02:29 PM
I would caution you to make sure the chamber is dry and free of oil when you shoot. oil in the chamber will allow the case to move forward just a bit when the firing pin hits the primer then the case slams back into the bolt. this is not a good condition. if you would like I can send you a scan of P.O. Ackley's explanation of the problem of oil in chamber. I know he book explains why to dry the chamber much better than I can.  if you want me to send you a photo let me know. 
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: RadSav on October 31, 2018, 12:06:18 AM
Back when I was doing smith school we spent a bit of time learning about glazing in the chamber.  Back then the big culprit was 3in1 oil.  Guy would use it a lot back then.  Leave it in and it would only take a shot or two to glaze like epoxy to the chamber walls.  The Rem Action cleaner or Gun Scrubber dries that out well, but it's not really a chamber cleaner and doesn't do well with oil glazing.

Had a gun here a few months ago with real bad chamber glazing.  I took an old 20 gauge brush, covered it with a good square patch, ran Barnes solvent on the patch and used a battery screw driver (not a drill, but a screw driver) to scrub it well.  Two patches later and it was back to factory glass.  Don't recommend doing that often, but works if things get glazed badly.

Most rifle guys I know run a dry patch or two through the barrel, but forget to come in with a tight patch to the chamber to remove all that dirty oil and solvent.  Again, patch over an old 28 or 20 gauge brush works pretty good (I'm not much of a mop guy). No need to strip it with action cleaner.  I actually try to keep action cleaner out of my chamber completely. Just run in dry by hand until the patch comes out clean.  Preferably using a brass rod you can twist like a Dewey.

Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: cardinalguns on November 14, 2018, 09:04:15 AM
Good advice, sir.  :tup:
Title: Re: New Rifle Might Be Wrecked Advice Needed
Post by: addicted1 on November 17, 2018, 12:39:27 AM
Probably wasn't even pitted, just needed a good cleaning. Good luck on your hunt.

Yes, I have seen this first hand. Looks like pitting, cleaned it thoroughly and it was surface buildup.
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