Post by: yorketransport on October 27, 2018, 09:35:15 PM
So the big question now is what can I do with a SS Rem 700 magnum action? I've got a couple of barrels sitting here that I could use including an X-Caliber varmint contour 1-7" twist .257 that would finish at 27", a K&P #5 heavy sporter 1-7" twist .277 that will finish at 25", a varmint contour Broughton 1-8" twist .277 that will finish at 28", and a Brux MTU contour 1-7" 6mm that would finish at 22". I'm not limiting my self to these barrels, that's just what I have on hand.
This would be the perfect action to build another 270 RUM and use one of the .277 barrels and the 270 RUM reamer I have on hand, but I'm just finishing up the 270 Boondoggle project so I'm not sure I need another magnum 270 at the moment. The 6.5 Badger covers the fast 6.5mm category and I've got the 375 BME and 375 Ruger to cover the 375s. I've already had 7mm, 300, 338 and 375 RUMs, as well as a 338 Edge, so I don't need those. The 458 Arnold covers the big bore chamberings, although something in a .416 or .423 might be fun since I don't have either of those at the moment. This might be a good action to build a fast 257 to shoot the 128gr Hammer Hunter and the 131 Blackjack bullets out of, but I had planned on using a magnum short action I have sitting around for that project.
I'm almost to the point of designing a completely unique case and just having RCC make me some custom brass for it. Something along the lines of a scaled up 284 Win case maybe........
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 27, 2018, 11:20:15 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 28, 2018, 05:24:19 AM
Post by: Reidus on October 28, 2018, 06:50:36 AM
sounds like a 25 rum. Be a fun yote round.
Post by: bullfisher on October 28, 2018, 07:12:33 AM
Post by: yorketransport on October 28, 2018, 11:34:46 AM
6-284 would be fun
I was thinking of doing a 6-284 pistol with the 6mm barrel. :tup:
505 Gibbs! But throat it for the big heavies, it will look like a huge 300 blackout :chuckle:
I can call it the 500 Knockout!
My concern with going to something like a 25 RUM is powder availability. The 270 RUM and 6.5 Badger are both at the point where there’s dead space in the case with max loads. Some of that can be fixed by using some of the extruded powders instead of US869, but then you start having powder bridging issues even with a relatively shallow shoulder angle. I hate to say it, but the 25 Nosler might be the best option for a big 257.
Post by: Dan-o on October 28, 2018, 01:07:55 PM
Build it such that it shoots factory ammo the best.
Put an old Night Force on it (one that you've grown bored wit but is nearly current and basically new).
Shoot it for an afternoon.
Get bored with it.
PM me with an offer to sell it to me basically for free.
I can't think of a better use for that action.
Post by: kentrek on October 28, 2018, 02:16:23 PM
A light 270 ultra mag would be cool...then I'd buy it ! After using those hammers I wana try a fast 270 wsm with a lighter bullet...but still hoping to get a kill with the 285s this year...the hammer bullets have became more interesting then the cases that push them in my opinion
Post by: hogslayer on October 28, 2018, 03:12:16 PM
6-300 win mag
6-PRC
.257/26 Nosler.
Or make those .257.
I know you like overbore
Post by: yorketransport on October 28, 2018, 07:56:59 PM
I think that you should build a very generic, but superbly accurate 7MM RUM.
Build it such that it shoots factory ammo the best.
Put an old Night Force on it (one that you've grown bored wit but is nearly current and basically new).
Shoot it for an afternoon.
Get bored with it.
PM me with an offer to sell it to me basically for free.
I can't think of a better use for that action.
The funny thing is that I have a NF NXS sitting around that I'm bored with. I added a poll with the option for me to build a 7 RUM for you, so lets see what the rest of HuntWa thinks of your idea. :chuckle:
You could do a
6-300 win mag
6-PRC
.257/26 Nosler.
Or make those .257.
I know you like overbore
I've thought about both the 6/6.5 PRC and a 6/300 PRC as well as 25 caliber versions of either of those. I'm trying not to get stuck in a rut and keep using the same parent case (375 Ruger) for too many projects but it really is a great case to work with. In fact I have 50 pieces of 375 Ruger basic brass that I've considered using for a 50/375 Ruger straight.
Post by: b23 on October 28, 2018, 08:41:43 PM
But, considering you already have a 270 in the works, that may not interest you.
You could always have the bolt face opened up, install a M16 type extractor, and use the 300 Norma case for a variety of different wildcats. With Lapua now making 300 Norma brass there seems to be a lot of new interest in wildcats based off of the 300 Norma Improved. It works better as a repeater also.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 28, 2018, 11:06:32 PM
Post by: carbide on October 29, 2018, 06:23:06 AM
Post by: bullfisher on October 29, 2018, 09:38:25 AM
I have to go with BH on this one. A big bore like the 416 or maybe even a 408 would be fun! Heck, save yourself the trouble and just sell me the action....
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 29, 2018, 10:22:37 AM
Post by: b23 on October 29, 2018, 12:16:36 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 29, 2018, 01:08:28 PM
Sorry York to derail. :chuckle:
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 29, 2018, 02:54:13 PM
Post by: yorketransport on October 29, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
Being that you have a LA you have the option to build just about anything you want, but in your situation where you can't really decide on anything in particular, having to many options, is almost as bad as not having enough.
That's one of the biggest issues I have these days. I've done so many dumb projects over the years that it's getting really hard to come up with new ideas.
:jacked: hey B23 have you used much of the ADG brass? I’ve messed with it a few firings in a 300 win and wasn’t overly impressed. I’ve seen it from a few sources that it’s lapua quality but myself and buddies haven’t noted the same.
Sorry York to derail. :chuckle:
My threads come pre-derailed so you couldn't possibly do any more damage. :chuckle: Besides, I'm curious about the ADG brass too.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 29, 2018, 03:21:33 PM
Dan-o with a 7mm rum would make him look tough while cruising in his pink prius so he gets my vote. :tup:
He’ll just loose it along with all his cameras. >:(
Post by: b23 on October 29, 2018, 04:16:12 PM
:jacked: hey B23 have you used much of the ADG brass? I’ve messed with it a few firings in a 300 win and wasn’t overly impressed. I’ve seen it from a few sources that it’s lapua quality but myself and buddies haven’t noted the same.
Sorry York to derail. :chuckle:
I haven't used any of it, with the exception of my 7mm Blaser, 17 Hornets, and 204 Ruger, Lapua makes brass for everything I have, but I know Shawn at Defensive Edge has used it a fair amount and he's been pretty happy with it.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 29, 2018, 05:08:03 PM
I wouldn’t by any means say it’s crap but don’t think it’s on par with Lapua or norma for that matter. :twocents:
Post by: mountainman on October 30, 2018, 07:27:46 AM
Post by: yorketransport on October 30, 2018, 02:06:08 PM
50 MDM
That ones essentially a straight wall RUM case right?
Post by: mountainman on October 30, 2018, 07:21:55 PM
Yup. Just thought it might be something different to try😉50 MDM
That ones essentially a straight wall RUM case right?
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 30, 2018, 07:45:57 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 30, 2018, 08:18:23 PM
Post by: mountainman on October 30, 2018, 08:46:02 PM
Have a Remington 700 in 500 B&M back of the safe..maybe time to dust it off and punch a hole in something again..50 MDM
That ones essentially a straight wall RUM case right?
But then again, there's the old .270 m70 right next to it..hmmm😜
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 30, 2018, 08:53:25 PM
Post by: Dan-o on October 30, 2018, 09:46:01 PM
I'd say the poll speaks for itself.
Post by: mountainman on October 30, 2018, 10:23:31 PM
Whatever happens, you must bow to the will of the people.Vote for Dan-o👍
I'd say the poll speaks for itself.
Post by: yorketransport on October 31, 2018, 08:31:48 PM
The 416 is actually holding it's own too. This is just going to get even better when I end up building something stupid like a 350 Rem Mag off of this action. :tup:
Post by: Dan-o on October 31, 2018, 11:26:53 PM
I love that Dan-o's 7 RUM has 13 votes but Kentrek only has one; you guys are super rude! :chuckle: It's a shame because the 270 RUM is SOOOOO much cooler than a 7mm.
The 416 is actually holding it's own too. This is just going to get even better when I end up building something stupid like a 350 Rem Mag off of this action. :tup:
Resistance is futile......... You must obey the will of the people.
Post by: kentrek on November 01, 2018, 03:23:31 AM
I love that Dan-o's 7 RUM has 13 votes but Kentrek only has one; you guys are super rude! :chuckle: It's a shame because the 270 RUM is SOOOOO much cooler than a 7mm.
:yeah: :yeah: I need more friends I guess :chuckle:
What about somthing off the Norma case ?? 270 ?? Or....375 or 416 norma ! I'm sure you've seen swamplords work..
Post by: quarterstaff on November 01, 2018, 06:31:32 PM
Post by: mountainman on November 01, 2018, 08:48:57 PM
Make a statement Yorke👍
Post by: yorketransport on November 01, 2018, 09:09:28 PM
I'm familiar with Pro's work and he's got some great wildcats, even if his personality is a bit abrasive at times. ;) I've been thinking about something off the Lapua or Norma case for a while but I fall into that category of people who think the Rem 700 is right on the edge when you open up the bolt face to take a .580 rim. I guess the good news is that I've got a buddy with a brand new Kelbly Atlas 338 Lapua repeater actions that he wants to sell. Maybe what I should be doing is ditching this Remington and go to a real action. :tup:
:yeah: :yeah: I need more friends I guess :chuckle:
What about somthing off the Norma case ?? 270 ?? Or....375 or 416 norma ! I'm sure you've seen swamplords work..
Maybe a simple '06 or a .270? Take it back to old school! I remember a few years back when my friend Wayne Van Zwoll hunted everything that year with a Marlin 336 30-30! 😉
Make a statement Yorke👍
I used a 30-30 Contender one year, does that count? :chuckle:
I have a strict no 30-06, 308, 270 Win, 223 or anything Creedmoor policy in my house. If I spent real money building a 30-06 I'd have to commit myself to a mental institution!
Post by: kentrek on November 01, 2018, 09:18:24 PM
I'm familiar with Pro's work and he's got some great wildcats, even if his personality is a bit abrasive at times. ;) I've been thinking about something off the Lapua or Norma case for a while but I fall into that category of people who think the Rem 700 is right on the edge when you open up the bolt face to take a .580 rim. I guess the good news is that I've got a buddy with a brand new Kelbly Atlas 338 Lapua repeater actions that he wants to sell. Maybe what I should be doing is ditching this Remington and go to a real action
:yeah: :yeah: I need more friends I guess :chuckle:
What about somthing off the Norma case ?? 270 ?? Or....375 or 416 norma ! I'm sure you've seen swamplords work..
Throw together this action in a standard cal to sell to dano and reinvest to a 375 or 416 norma repeater....short barrel with a folding manners...would be an awesome package
Post by: Dan-o on November 01, 2018, 09:25:42 PM
Post by: b23 on November 01, 2018, 09:31:41 PM
This is before I added an adj cheek piece and had it cerakoted. It's not even all that heavy. The only issue I had was it took three fricken years to get done.
Post by: mountainman on November 02, 2018, 08:02:53 PM
Maybe a simple '06 or a .270? Take it back to old school! I remember a few years back when my friend Wayne Van Zwoll hunted everything that year with a Marlin 336 30-30! 😉
Make a statement Yorke👍
I used a 30-30 Contender one year, does that count? :chuckle:
I have a strict no 30-06, 308, 270 Win, 223 or anything Creedmoor policy in my house. If I spent real money building a 30-06 I'd have to commit myself to a mental institution!
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Copy that. But don't you tire, as many have, of trying to build something that offers not so much than has already been built and designed? Many, and some in here also, spend so much time and $$'s to try and design what, basically, what has all ready been done, designed, proven, built, and marketed? I've seen many from 22-as big as you can go..many cartridges, from 6×45 to fancy names as Thor, Sage, and so forth. But offer less then is already out there under names such as Arnold, Lazzeroni etc..yes, you do have something unique in the Boxmonkey, but many ride the laurels of those before them with nothing but a twerk or 2 to shoulder or wall configuration..hence, my comment to try something more common and push it to the nth degree in accuracy. That would at least be less boring is all..
Love what you do with the hand cannons though! Makes Swiggett, Mileck, and the rest proud as you definitely pick up where they left off👍👍
Post by: jasnt on November 02, 2018, 08:28:35 PM
Post by: mountainman on November 02, 2018, 08:35:05 PM
It’s just fun to make something different. Even if it does the same ting😊
Post by: bullfisher on November 02, 2018, 08:41:18 PM
Post by: yorketransport on November 02, 2018, 09:37:10 PM
Yorke, for what it's worth, my 300AX (Kirby's version of the 30-338 Lap Imp) was built by him on my LA Rem 700 quite a few years ago and it's still going strong slinging the 230 Bergers 3250fps from its 28in Lilja fluted #6 10tw barrel. If I'd had an extra custom action sitting around doing nothing, like I did that LA Rem700, I'm sure I would have used it for this build, but I didn't and this one has turned out pretty well.
This is before I added an adj cheek piece and had it cerakoted. It's not even all that heavy. The only issue I had was it took three fricken years to get done.
If I had a chrome-moly action I'd feel better about opening up the bolt face. I'm pretty sure that blued Rem and Savage actions are the only factory actions that Kirby and a lot of other smiths will build on. I know Savage will only build Lapuas on chrome-moly actions.
Copy that. But don't you tire, as many have, of trying to build something that offers not so much than has already been built and designed? Many, and some in here also, spend so much time and $$'s to try and design what, basically, what has all ready been done, designed, proven, built, and marketed? I've seen many from 22-as big as you can go..many cartridges, from 6×45 to fancy names as Thor, Sage, and so forth. But offer less then is already out there under names such as Arnold, Lazzeroni etc..yes, you do have something unique in the Boxmonkey, but many ride the laurels of those before them with nothing but a twerk or 2 to shoulder or wall configuration..hence, my comment to try something more common and push it to the nth degree in accuracy. That would at least be less boring is all..Maybe a simple '06 or a .270? Take it back to old school! I remember a few years back when my friend Wayne Van Zwoll hunted everything that year with a Marlin 336 30-30! 😉
Make a statement Yorke👍
I used a 30-30 Contender one year, does that count? :chuckle:
I have a strict no 30-06, 308, 270 Win, 223 or anything Creedmoor policy in my house. If I spent real money building a 30-06 I'd have to commit myself to a mental institution!
Love what you do with the hand cannons though! Makes Swiggett, Mileck, and the rest proud as you definitely pick up where they left off👍👍
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I got bored with the extreme accuracy a couple years ago when I had a factory Savage LRPV 22-250 that was a legitimate .25 MOA rifle, with a pile of targets in the mid .1's. That's when I moved towards the larger calibers and longer ranges. Since I'm incredibly cheap, I wanted to get the most performance I could for the lowest initial investment possible. The 375 BME was the result of trying to get as close as possible to the 375 CT out of a Savage action using readily available components.That's the primary goal of all the wildcats I've worked with, as much performance as I could get using components that the average guy could afford and that could be built for a decent price. Whenever possible I want to be able to use available dies and have the option to rechamber a factory barrel. The 338/375 is a great example of that and Jasent has had great luck with it so far. The 270 Boondoggle and 25 Boondoggle Short both follow the same principal.
It’s just fun to make something different. Even if it does the same tingThat pretty much sums it up. I'm trying to be different, just like everybody else. :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 02, 2018, 11:39:32 PM
There’s plenty to play with firearms wise. To each their own. I stay outside of the box. This cracker gave up vanilla 25 plus years ago. You can tell by the posts, who’s making the effort and dropping the cash. You can also tell who’s not doing jack and dragging their crap filled diaper through the thread.
Post by: Angry Perch on November 03, 2018, 06:47:12 AM
Copy that. But don't you tire, as many have, of trying to build something that offers not so much than has already been built and designed? Many, and some in here also, spend so much time and $$'s to try and design what, basically, what has all ready been done, designed, proven, built, and marketed? I've seen many from 22-as big as you can go..many cartridges, from 6×45 to fancy names as Thor, Sage, and so forth. But offer less then is already out there under names such as Arnold, Lazzeroni etc..yes, you do have something unique in the Boxmonkey, but many ride the laurels of those before them with nothing but a twerk or 2 to shoulder or wall configuration..hence, my comment to try something more common and push it to the nth degree in accuracy. That would at least be less boring is all..Maybe a simple '06 or a .270? Take it back to old school! I remember a few years back when my friend Wayne Van Zwoll hunted everything that year with a Marlin 336 30-30! 😉
Make a statement Yorke👍
I used a 30-30 Contender one year, does that count? :chuckle:
I have a strict no 30-06, 308, 270 Win, 223 or anything Creedmoor policy in my house. If I spent real money building a 30-06 I'd have to commit myself to a mental institution!
Love what you do with the hand cannons though! Makes Swiggett, Mileck, and the rest proud as you definitely pick up where they left off👍👍
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I suppose he could also eat Cheerios every morning. Maybe count out the same number of O's, too!
This place would be pretty lame if we had to read long, drawn out threads about a 30-06. :)
Post by: mountainman on November 03, 2018, 09:17:16 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on November 03, 2018, 09:26:25 AM
Don't mean to hurt sensativies of some. He asked for suggestions. 😏
I was being a little sarcastic. No hurt feelings here. I hunt with a 30-06 and a .243, so I enjoy reading about the wacky stuff. I also drink Miller High-Life, but I like when the guy across the fire pit is drinking whiskey and throwing cans of bug spray in the fire.
Post by: Dan-o on November 04, 2018, 07:24:27 PM
A vote for Dan-o is a vote for America.
Post by: yorketransport on November 04, 2018, 07:32:55 PM
I was being a little sarcastic. No hurt feelings here. I hunt with a 30-06 and a .243, so I enjoy reading about the wacky stuff. I also drink Miller High-Life, but I like when the guy across the fire pit is drinking whiskey and throwing cans of bug spray in the fire.
That's awesome :chuckle:
So I got out today to test fire the donor rifle, just because I have 300 RUM brass and dies sitting around. Now I'm reluctant to chop it up! :bash: I loaded up 6 rounds with 150gr SST's over a case full of IMR 7828 to get the scope on paper at 100 and then 6 rounds with the 181gr Hammer Hunters over a very similar charge of IMR 7828. I fired 3 of the 150s and was on paper at 100 yards so I shot 3 of the 181gr Hammer Hunter loads to see how they'd do.
(https://i.imgur.com/MGYYzAM.jpg?2)
At first glance that isn't that impressive, it's just a touch under 1" at 100 yards. Now consider that this was a completely random charge, with a bullet seated .270" off the lands so that it would fit in the internal mag. The reason the original owner sold the rifle was because he couldn't get it to shoot better than 1.5" with any of the loads he tried. Considering that the scoped rifle weighs 8lb 2oz with a VX3 4.5-14x40 mounted on there I think a 1" group is pretty good for a light weight 300 RUM.
Now here's the kicker, this is my shooting "bench".
(https://i.imgur.com/0yH2j8R.jpg?1)
I usually shoot and zero my hunting guns sitting off of these shooting sticks. It's always been a more realistic way for me to gauge the field accuracy of my guns. Groups are always a little bigger than shooting off of a bench but I can still do pretty well out to around 500 yards off this setup.
So right after I fired that group, a bear came running down the old ditched off spur road that I was on. If I would have had the rifled zeroed I could have smoked that bear at 127 yards by just swinging the gun 30º to the left. I did grab the last three loads of the 181gr Hammers and take off after the bear while frantically spinning the turret down 10 MOA and right 3 MOA, but he took off into the timber. :chuckle:
So now the decision is whether or not to butcher a rifle that actually shows some real potential, or just sell off the barreled action and move on to the next project.
Post by: Dan-o on November 04, 2018, 07:37:01 PM
Post by: Jolten on November 04, 2018, 07:42:49 PM
Post by: kentrek on November 04, 2018, 08:21:17 PM
Post by: yorketransport on November 04, 2018, 08:29:54 PM
Don't crush my dream this early......
This just means that you'll end up with a switch barrel. You can keep the 300 RUM barrel, then have a second barrel in 7mm RUM. :tup:
It's sort of a "collect them all" thing. I had a Jim Borden built switch barrel with 270 RUM, 7 RUM and 338 Edge barrels that I'd swap back and forth while out shooting. It was a ton of fun!
We did up some 181s and the 300 ultra....I wana say we were in 3350 range and no pressure...never finished up with it :bash:I might try and get out tomorrow and chronograph these. I imagine they're only around 3200 fps. Now I'm tempted to take this gun out for late buck.
Post by: kentrek on November 04, 2018, 08:58:05 PM
Post by: yorketransport on November 05, 2018, 06:00:49 PM
It looks like Dan-o is going to end up with a 300 RUM. :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on November 07, 2018, 08:38:52 PM
- Kentrek needs more friends on HuntWa :chuckle:
- Apparently the 25 RUM is a terrible idea (unless there's some form of voter suppression going on here! :tinfoil:)
- The 25 Nosler isn't as bad an idea as the 25 RUM, but it's still dumb
- Only 4 of you are awesome enough to appreciate the glory of the 270 RUM.
- 7 of you had ideas that were even worse than mine. :chuckle:
- 20% think that a dangerous game cartridge is necessary to hunt in WA (I don't disagree :tup:)
- Dan-o has been bribing voters in an effort to change the outcome.
We also learned that Biggerhammer can't go more than a few weeks without getting banned (see you in May BH!) and once again has fallen victim to his one curse of telling it like it is. Anyone looking for an interesting read should use the search function to look up "Biggerhammer is a dirty rotten...". Maybe Jay.sharkbait should weigh in on this.......
LLBH
Post by: Dan-o on November 07, 2018, 08:57:24 PM
Well the poles are closed and the people have spoken. Let's take a moment to see what we've learned.
- Kentrek needs more friends on HuntWa :chuckle:
- Apparently the 25 RUM is a terrible idea (unless there's some form of voter suppression going on here! :tinfoil:)
- The 25 Nosler isn't as bad an idea as the 25 RUM, but it's still dumb
- Only 4 of you are awesome enough to appreciate the glory of the 270 RUM.
- 7 of you had ideas that were even worse than mine. :chuckle:
- 20% think that a dangerous game cartridge is necessary to hunt in WA (I don't disagree :tup:)
- Dan-o has been bribing voters in an effort to change the outcome.
We also learned that Biggerhammer can't go more than a few weeks without getting banned (see you in May BH!) and once again has fallen victim to his one curse of telling it like it is. Anyone looking for an interesting read should use the search function to look up "Biggerhammer is a dirty rotten...". Maybe Jay.sharkbait should weigh in on this.......
LLBH
Dude,
If I can't afford a custom rifle, I sure can't afford to bribe people.
There was no dark money moving here.
The people have spoken.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 07, 2018, 09:14:31 PM