Post by: frogman338 on October 31, 2018, 04:22:30 PM
Post by: Crunchy on October 31, 2018, 05:23:11 PM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 31, 2018, 05:26:39 PM
What's best in your experience in terms of being actually waterproof, tough and not too overpriced?The best stuff is overpriced.
Post by: KFhunter on October 31, 2018, 05:58:04 PM
it gets heavy, but keeps me dry as long as I don't sweat. Not good for hunting where you're exerting yourself, but for still hunting down a road for a mile or 2 it's doable. I have a set that lives in my ATV bag. I think hunting on the wetside for blacktail or bear it would be fine. Not so good for Elk hunting the east side :chuckle:
I would like to upgrade to that high dollar stuff
Post by: Tiger1358 on October 31, 2018, 06:07:23 PM
I use gamehide
it gets heavy, but keeps me dry as long as I don't sweat. Not good for hunting where you're exerting yourself, but for still hunting down a road for a mile or 2 it's doable. I have a set that lives in my ATV bag. I think hunting on the wetside for blacktail or bear it would be fine. Not so good for Elk hunting the east side :chuckle:
I would like to upgrade to that high dollar stuff
You must be carrying a couple obsidian knives and a bow drill fire starter :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on October 31, 2018, 06:18:12 PM
To stay dry you need to repel exterior moisture (rain) and allow internal moisture (perspiration) to escape. Rubber and plastic are impermeable materials that will keep external moisture out, but also trap perspiration the will cause you to get wet if you move around at all.
Waterproof/breathable membranes like Gore-Tex are designed to both repel external moisture, and allow internal moisture to escape thus keeping you warm and dry.
Another criteria is durability. If you're clawing through dense brush a waterproof membrane is more likely to get punctured and will no longer repel moisture completely.
What is best depends on the type of hunting you will do and your budget. Surplus wool pants and jackets are probably the least expensive option. A long-term investment in quality waterproof/breathable gear is often the best alternative if it fits your budget.
Post by: Camo on October 31, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
My partner runs straight Stormtight and is equally pleased.
Edit: Missed the "over priced" comment, this doesn't qualify. But worth the money to me?
Post by: Turner89 on October 31, 2018, 06:51:22 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on October 31, 2018, 07:42:19 PM
Post by: KFhunter on October 31, 2018, 07:43:35 PM
I use gamehide
it gets heavy, but keeps me dry as long as I don't sweat. Not good for hunting where you're exerting yourself, but for still hunting down a road for a mile or 2 it's doable. I have a set that lives in my ATV bag. I think hunting on the wetside for blacktail or bear it would be fine. Not so good for Elk hunting the east side :chuckle:
I would like to upgrade to that high dollar stuff
You must be carrying a couple obsidian knives and a bow drill fire starter :chuckle:
naw, just not a wuss
seriously though, I still use it. I didn't say that's all I use. For budget rain gear I think it's not that bad.
Post by: DJ_Mack on October 31, 2018, 07:54:07 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on October 31, 2018, 08:04:32 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 31, 2018, 08:11:11 PM
Post by: actionshooter on October 31, 2018, 08:43:55 PM
All of the top brands are pretty good..... but your going to pay for it.
Post by: Dhoey07 on October 31, 2018, 09:21:42 PM
How durable is the kuiu chugach stuff?
3 years of normal hunt8ng and fishing use and no issues for me.
Post by: h20hunter on October 31, 2018, 09:24:30 PM
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Post by: gee_unit360 on November 02, 2018, 12:36:33 PM
Sitka cloudburst has never dissapointed me.
:yeah:
Post by: follow maggie on November 03, 2018, 05:53:33 PM
Post by: jackson7 on November 03, 2018, 06:09:21 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 03, 2018, 06:44:35 PM
Kuiu Yukon pant and jacket, bullet proof and keeps you dry!!Agree with this, love mine
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 03, 2018, 07:16:51 PM
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Post by: 7mmfan on November 03, 2018, 07:52:45 PM
For the guys asking about mid price gear i'd be looking at the non-hunting brands and shopping sales on Backcountry or Moosejaw and other similar sites. Lots of good deals to be had on good gear from brands like Marmot, Outdoor Research or Mountain Hardwear. look for goretex with a minimum of 2.5 layers, preferably 3, and waterproof rating of over 20,000 mm and you will find some pretty good stuff for fairly affordable. I think lots of guys just aren't realistic with their expectations of raingear due to prices these days. It can't be breathable AND fully waterproof AND tough AND quiet AND light. There is a give and take for each quality just gotta decide which factors are most important to you
Good advice.bim very happy with my kuiu gear but I would strongly consider other non hunting brand gear next go around
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on November 05, 2018, 09:02:54 AM
Post by: Eric M on November 05, 2018, 09:22:05 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 05, 2018, 09:33:56 AM
Post by: Alchase on November 05, 2018, 10:21:16 AM
H/H. I'm not paying a mortgage payment for a spiffy camo pattern :chuckle:
:yeah:
I use fleece until it is raining hard, then switch the a Grundens Petrus 762 Hooded Waterproof Shirt and Columbia Men's Rebel Roamer Pant.
Both I have had for years and have held up very well, on the wetside and east side in snow.
Post by: bobcat on November 05, 2018, 10:31:07 AM
Post by: npaull on November 05, 2018, 10:31:50 AM
https://asbellwool.com/t/pathfinder
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 05, 2018, 10:39:30 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on November 05, 2018, 11:16:01 AM
Post by: Tundra on November 05, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
The mountaineering companies have been doing this stuff for a LOT longer than these hunting brands have and they dont rape your wallet just because they can like kuiu, sitka, firstlite, etc do. We like to think we are the only folks out in the wild expending energy but it's far from the truth. For what you could save by going with a non hunting brand you could literally buy an out-of-state tag or make a donation to a conservation group for hundreds of dollars. All the pro hunting brands are Outsourcing their work to China, Philippines, Etc so it's not like you're buying an American-made product so there's no reason to pay three or four times the price. It's time for these hunting companies to stop raping their own :twocents:What mountaineering company's rain gear are you using? I'd be curious to see the fabric and price differences between the mountaineering option and the hunting company offerings.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 05, 2018, 12:31:41 PM
Marketing is a crazy thing. I'd be willing to bet that a large chunk of guys running hunting brand x never even considered anything other than the big three.
Post by: jasnt on November 05, 2018, 12:37:41 PM
Post by: Tundra on November 05, 2018, 12:57:18 PM
Take your pick of all the top end brands. I freaking hate rain gear with a passion so wont begin to act like a professional on the materials and "numbers" I just know on all fronts from pants, shirts, coats, socks, etc., there are equal or better options for a quarter of the price.I have no interest in arguing with you, I am just seeking to understand your position, so please don't take my questions wrong. I am curious about gear, and people's take on it, and always looking to learn.
Marketing is a crazy thing. I'd be willing to bet that a large chunk of guys running hunting brand x never even considered anything other than the big three.
Why do you hate rain gear?
As for the other gear..
My favorite hunting pants have knee pads, awesome cargo pockets, are extremely durable, and breathe well. I won't say what brand they are, other than that they are a hunting company. If you can point me to some non-hunting brand options for cheaper, I'd would appreciate knowing what they are. I have looked, but end up finding combat focused brands that are over engineered and over priced. If one does not want, or appreciate knee pads, I concur. Lots of options out there at a variety of prices.
I think we are aligned pretty much on socks and base layers as there are tons of options from all kinds of brands, at many price & quality points.
Shirts and Jackets. For me it is more about how they are designed. Where the pockets are located, the durability of the fabrics, etc. Some of this stuff, when designed with a hunting focus, stands out, at least to me.
Another point I think on when looking at gear, is that when one operates out of a base camp, there are many more gear options available, and the consequences from gear failure are low. Its when we start going remote and living out of our backpack that things get critical, and selection starts to really matter. IMHO
I do think the statement about company's raping can be said about any industry...(climbing, skiing, hiking, cellphones, trucks, guns etc). Capitalism is what it is... Good thing is we have lots of choices. Cabela's, Wal-Mart, Sportsman Guide, etc.
I appreciate the debate and hope we tease out a few things by talking through this. I like to hear about, and understand, what other's use and why.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on November 05, 2018, 01:07:37 PM
Karl is afraid of rain that’s why he hates rain gear. I think he melts.Take your pick of all the top end brands. I freaking hate rain gear with a passion so wont begin to act like a professional on the materials and "numbers" I just know on all fronts from pants, shirts, coats, socks, etc., there are equal or better options for a quarter of the price.I have no interest in arguing with you, I am just seeking to understand your position, so please don't take my questions wrong. I am curious about gear, and people's take on it, and always looking to learn.
Marketing is a crazy thing. I'd be willing to bet that a large chunk of guys running hunting brand x never even considered anything other than the big three.
Why do you hate rain gear?
As for the other gear..
My favorite hunting pants have knee pads, awesome cargo pockets, are extremely durable, and breathe well. I won't say what brand they are, other than that they are a hunting company. If you can point me to some non-hunting brand options for cheaper, I'd would appreciate knowing what they are. I have looked, but end up finding combat focused brands that are over engineered and over priced. If one does not want, or appreciate knee pads, I concur. Lots of options out there at a variety of prices.
I think we are aligned pretty much on socks and base layers as there are tons of options from all kinds of brands, at many price & quality points.
Shirts and Jackets. For me it is more about how they are designed. Where the pockets are located, the durability of the fabrics, etc. Some of this stuff, when designed with a hunting focus, stands out, at least to me.
Another point I think on when looking at gear, is that when one operates out of a base camp, there are many more gear options available, and the consequences from gear failure are low. Its when we start going remote and living out of our backpack that things get critical, and selection starts to really matter. IMHO
I do think the statement about company's raping can be said about any industry...(climbing, skiing, hiking, cellphones, trucks, guns etc). Capitalism is what it is... Good thing is we have lots of choices. Cabela's, Wal-Mart, Sportsman Guide, etc.
I appreciate the debate and hope we tease out a few things by talking through this. I like to hear about, and understand, what other's use and why.
I really like outdoor research gear for alternates to the hunting companies.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 05, 2018, 01:13:36 PM
My hunting is almost 100% backpack hunting so I fully understand that not all gear fits certain uses.
I'd have to disagree fully on clothing being "made" for hunting standing above the rest. Athletic cuts are nothing new.
I hate rain gear because I hardly ever have to break it out in eastern wa, ID, MT, CO, WY, or NV. So it's basically dead weight in my pack. I despise carrying "just in case" items, but we all know what happens if you dont :chuckle:
Currently use H/H. Kodiak mountain goat hunt in February will surely test their waterproofness and durability.
Is waterproofness a word? :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 05, 2018, 01:14:36 PM
Post by: Tundra on November 05, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
Oh I'm not arguing at all. I promise you I do not care what everyone else uses or wears. It affects me not a single bit.Got ya. Just in case items can be a PITA to pack along...
My hunting is almost 100% backpack hunting so I fully understand that not all gear fits certain uses.
I'd have to disagree fully on clothing being "made" for hunting standing above the rest. Athletic cuts are nothing new.
I hate rain gear because I hardly ever have to break it out in eastern wa, ID, MT, CO, WY, or NV. So it's basically dead weight in my pack. I despise carrying "just in case" items, but we all know what happens if you dont :chuckle:
Currently use H/H. Kodiak mountain goat hunt in February will surely test their waterproofness and durability.
Is waterproofness a word? :chuckle:
I am not referring to fit when I say being made for hunting. I am talking about convenience. Why a pocket is where it is, how it used, etc. Some hunting gear really stands out to me vs a non hunting alternative. Sometimes it is worth a few bucks extra, sometimes it is not.
I lived in AK and was blessed to hunt all over the state, Kodiak will certainly test your gear! What pants are you taking for that hunt?
Post by: Lightning_Rider on November 05, 2018, 01:36:08 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 05, 2018, 01:43:02 PM
I am currently undecided right now. I'll be taking multiple options up there and then will probably base my decision on current weather. It could be 50 and sunny or we could be post holing it the whole week. Probably FL corrugate's, OR soft shells, or good ol faithful prana zions.Oh I'm not arguing at all. I promise you I do not care what everyone else uses or wears. It affects me not a single bit.Got ya. Just in case items can be a PITA to pack along...
My hunting is almost 100% backpack hunting so I fully understand that not all gear fits certain uses.
I'd have to disagree fully on clothing being "made" for hunting standing above the rest. Athletic cuts are nothing new.
I hate rain gear because I hardly ever have to break it out in eastern wa, ID, MT, CO, WY, or NV. So it's basically dead weight in my pack. I despise carrying "just in case" items, but we all know what happens if you dont :chuckle:
Currently use H/H. Kodiak mountain goat hunt in February will surely test their waterproofness and durability.
Is waterproofness a word? :chuckle:
I am not referring to fit when I say being made for hunting. I am talking about convenience. Why a pocket is where it is, how it used, etc. Some hunting gear really stands out to me vs a non hunting alternative. Sometimes it is worth a few bucks extra, sometimes it is not.
I lived in AK and was blessed to hunt all over the state, Kodiak will certainly test your gear! What pants are you taking for that hunt?
Post by: Eric M on November 05, 2018, 01:52:04 PM
I'd be surprised if you saw a week of 50 and sunny in February but you can always hope.I am currently undecided right now. I'll be taking multiple options up there and then will probably base my decision on current weather. It could be 50 and sunny or we could be post holing it the whole week. Probably FL corrugate's, OR soft shells, or good ol faithful prana zions.Oh I'm not arguing at all. I promise you I do not care what everyone else uses or wears. It affects me not a single bit.Got ya. Just in case items can be a PITA to pack along...
My hunting is almost 100% backpack hunting so I fully understand that not all gear fits certain uses.
I'd have to disagree fully on clothing being "made" for hunting standing above the rest. Athletic cuts are nothing new.
I hate rain gear because I hardly ever have to break it out in eastern wa, ID, MT, CO, WY, or NV. So it's basically dead weight in my pack. I despise carrying "just in case" items, but we all know what happens if you dont :chuckle:
Currently use H/H. Kodiak mountain goat hunt in February will surely test their waterproofness and durability.
Is waterproofness a word? :chuckle:
I am not referring to fit when I say being made for hunting. I am talking about convenience. Why a pocket is where it is, how it used, etc. Some hunting gear really stands out to me vs a non hunting alternative. Sometimes it is worth a few bucks extra, sometimes it is not.
I lived in AK and was blessed to hunt all over the state, Kodiak will certainly test your gear! What pants are you taking for that hunt?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 05, 2018, 01:54:04 PM
Post by: Tundra on November 05, 2018, 02:19:27 PM
It is my opinion that one set of rain gear will not work as a do it all system, that in fact one should have a few systems ready to go.
1) Light Weight Breathable system for just in case type use
2) Heavier weight durable breathable system (3 layer +)
3) Just pure water protection (Helly Hansen, or other rubber style protection)
I have a variety of sets, tailored to my chosen activity set.
Brands I have had good experiences with include: OR, Patagonia, Sitka, KUIU, First Lite, LLBean, Carhartt, and Helly Hansen.
I think the most important part is to figure out when and how you will use it. Determine your specific balance of weight vs. durability, and then shop around and try some out till you find what works for you. Lots of good reviews out there on specific products as you narrow down your choices.
Post by: HntnFsh on November 06, 2018, 05:50:06 AM
Check out Watershed brand of rain gear. Made in the USA and used mostly by loggers and forest workers. Good quality and reasonably priced. I like Helly Hansen too, but it's not as durable.
Been wearing Watershed vinyl nitrile for over 20 years. Love it. Light and comfy. Extremely durable. Can't stand any rubberized rain gear.
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