Post by: wolfbait on November 05, 2018, 05:11:31 PM
https://mariasriverlivestock.wordpress.com/2018/10/25/what-about-our-rights/?fbclid=IwAR1umvq-rwQDJuSHJ40RcD-JM7PDeOJ-u5YYIEM6Dd8ViWLAisNYTI1g7qs
Post by: Stein on November 06, 2018, 04:07:13 PM
Post by: csaaphill on November 07, 2018, 01:02:27 AM
Whose rights were trampled? Bear stuck around, bear was captured and relocated. State suggested not planting the same crop and the landowner has the option of planting or not planting, whatever they want.probably what is not mentioned is that Encourage means they can't do it no more, or be fined. Govt. encouragement isn't usually a pretty please.
Post by: Stein on November 07, 2018, 05:03:15 AM
Whose rights were trampled? Bear stuck around, bear was captured and relocated. State suggested not planting the same crop and the landowner has the option of planting or not planting, whatever they want.probably what is not mentioned is that Encourage means they can't do it no more, or be fined. Govt. encouragement isn't usually a pretty please.
How can WDFW possibly force a farmer to plant or not plant certain crops? Do you have any evidence this happened?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 07, 2018, 08:48:59 AM
Whose rights were trampled? Bear stuck around, bear was captured and relocated. State suggested not planting the same crop and the landowner has the option of planting or not planting, whatever they want.probably what is not mentioned is that Encourage means they can't do it no more, or be fined. Govt. encouragement isn't usually a pretty please.
Lol. Give us ONE example of this happening, ever.....
Post by: konradcountry on November 07, 2018, 09:38:36 AM
Whose rights were trampled? Bear stuck around, bear was captured and relocated. State suggested not planting the same crop and the landowner has the option of planting or not planting, whatever they want.
It can cost thousands of dollars to change a crop and many of these farms are basically small businesses so by telling them to "not plant" you are telling them to shut down.
People with children or dogs shouldn't have to wait a month for the state to move a grizzly bear.
These grizzly bears will end up dead in the woods if the state won't manage them. Same for wolves.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 07, 2018, 10:00:21 AM
Or the landowner could have called MTFW to get moving when they saw the bear in the field the first time
Or the landowner could protect the field with E fence (the state subsidizes that for farmers BTW...)
Take responsibility for your property, a bear eating oats is not dissimilar from elk eating them- this shouldn't even be news.
Post by: Stein on November 07, 2018, 11:39:29 AM
I had a bunch of rats just chew up cables in a lift, it cost us $2500 to fix. I don't view my rights as being trampled. Rats are out there and maybe I should have been more on top of things.
The state took care of the absentee owner's problem as they should. A month or two sounds reasonable to study the situation, consider options, put together the resources and likely permits to take care of a grizzly transfer, tag, collar and transport it.
Post by: konradcountry on November 07, 2018, 02:08:37 PM
A month or two sounds reasonable to study the situation, consider options, put together the resources and likely permits to take care of a grizzly transfer, tag, collar and transport it.
A month or two is not at all reasonable if you have kids, dogs or livestock.
If the state is going to increase the population of predators then it has the responsibility to manage them properly. If not then just let people shoot them year round. it's a much simpler and more effective solution.
Post by: Stein on November 07, 2018, 02:25:38 PM
A month or two sounds reasonable to study the situation, consider options, put together the resources and likely permits to take care of a grizzly transfer, tag, collar and transport it.
A month or two is not at all reasonable if you have kids, dogs or livestock.
If the state is going to increase the population of predators then it has the responsibility to manage them properly. If not then just let people shoot them year round. it's a much simpler and more effective solution.
Grizzlies are federally protected, WDFW doesn't make the call.
For what it is worth, I would support being able to shoot animals in the act of depredation unless there are only a handful left which is not the case with bears. I'm not standing up for anyone, just highlighting the facts.
I don't think the farmer had kids, dogs or anything there as he/she doesn't live in the area. The story specifically mentioned they were absentee owners. I hold that 1-2 months is acceptable turnaround when the only harm is a small amount of crops getting eaten by one animal.
Post by: konradcountry on November 07, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
A month or two sounds reasonable to study the situation, consider options, put together the resources and likely permits to take care of a grizzly transfer, tag, collar and transport it.
A month or two is not at all reasonable if you have kids, dogs or livestock.
If the state is going to increase the population of predators then it has the responsibility to manage them properly. If not then just let people shoot them year round. it's a much simpler and more effective solution.
Grizzlies are federally protected, WDFW doesn't make the call.
For what it is worth, I would support being able to shoot animals in the act of depredation unless there are only a handful left which is not the case with bears. I'm not standing up for anyone, just highlighting the facts.
I don't think the farmer had kids, dogs or anything there as he/she doesn't live in the area. The story specifically mentioned they were absentee owners. I hold that 1-2 months is acceptable turnaround when the only harm is a small amount of crops getting eaten by one animal.
It's Montana and 1-2 months is pretty low bar for any wildlife agency. What are these people paid to do? What are they doing in the 1-2 months prior that is so important? Not siding with the gov on this one.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 07, 2018, 07:04:29 PM
The blog is a joke and the gal that wrote it is just trying to make noise. If they are so interested in their liberty and freedoms they would have ran the bear off instead of bitching to the state to take care of their problem.