Post by: Special T on November 20, 2018, 10:50:16 AM
http://www.conservationnw.org/evergreen-state-in-red-wdfw-budget/?fbclid=IwAR1y1-zBysMf-aPhQWGOgyrZD4I0lsCwzfvrew6mYXxfKkt1-13A55vikS4
It appears that the department wants to make Mitch Freedman the front man to push for a fossil fuel tax to fund the department. Im kind of beside myself, and not really sure what to make of it.
Post by: Bill W on November 20, 2018, 10:56:23 AM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on November 20, 2018, 11:08:04 AM
Post by: Igor on November 20, 2018, 11:08:35 AM
Post by: ribka on November 20, 2018, 11:12:37 AM
Look at the last decade, the most recent California, of wild lands destruction by uncontrollable fires to see the results of his folly and CNW’s radical unscientific eco agenda. No need to even mention wolves:)
Post by: Bob33 on November 20, 2018, 11:14:12 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2018, 11:15:45 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2018, 11:21:20 AM
Has a better representative come forward to address the issue of underfunding our state's department of fish and wildlife?
That thought has merit, unfortunately CNW will reach a lot of tree hugging "save the Orca's" liberal types.
They might get the carbon tax to pass next time. How much is that going to cost taxpayers?
What I want to know is how much is Mitch going to cost WDFW? They paid over 1m to that facilitator who's accomplished what exactly?
How much is Mitch going to cost WDFW
@MitchFriedman
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on November 20, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
The agency, and various stakeholder groups from Hunters Heritage Council and Mule Deer Foundation to CNW, Audubon and Illwaco Charter Association, is seeking significantly increased appropriations from the state General Fund to take the bulk of the funding burden off hunters and anglers, as well as modest fee increases (for example annual combo license fee increases would be between approximately $13.75 and $17.57).
Recommended reading:
https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sports/outdoors-wdfw-budget-woes-could-be-forestalled-in-future/
(https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sports/outdoors-wdfw-budget-woes-could-be-forestalled-in-future/) (includes description of Recovering America's Wildlife Act)
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-budget-panel-urges-commission-to-revisit-fee-increase-proposal/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-budget-panel-urges-commission-to-revisit-fee-increase-proposal/)
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commission-decides-on-15-percent-fee-hike-after-all-but-with-caps/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commission-decides-on-15-percent-fee-hike-after-all-but-with-caps/)
https://www.dailyrecordnews.com/outdoors/inside-the-outdoors-why-you-should-support-dfw-budget-solutions/article_f9d98937-f48a-5b38-bb17-c2474a8e0467.html? (https://www.dailyrecordnews.com/outdoors/inside-the-outdoors-why-you-should-support-dfw-budget-solutions/article_f9d98937-f48a-5b38-bb17-c2474a8e0467.html?)
Post by: Special T on November 20, 2018, 11:36:35 AM
I guess I'm a little dense. I read the article, and I just do not see any mention of a "fossil fuel tax". I do see mention of an effort to "allocate a portion of federal fossil fuel royalties to state and tribal fish and wildlife grants". To me that is saying that there are federal dollars from already existing royalties that could be diverted to help fund the WDFW.
Perhaps i read it wrong or differently. If the funds are diverted for "Conservation" surely they will ask for more to make it up some how... Perhaps it is just changing priorities in spending but I dont know of many agencies that are willing to forgo a revenue stream. :twocents:
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2018, 11:39:46 AM
Most BPAG members signed onto a letter we sent to the Fish and Wildlife Commission that makes our case for more funding, suggesting 25 percent of the gap be filled by increased license fees, and the rest from the state’s general fund. I’m working with other BPAG members to make the case directly to legislators, and when the time’s right during the upcoming legislative session, we will ask for your help in that process.
Many of us on the BPAG hope to help develop a proposal for a new source of sustainable revenue that will further support the conservation and recreation needs of the department. The challenge is Washington’s tax code is already so regressive—with most revenue coming from sales taxes that disproportionately hit lower-income people—that adding a special tax anywhere would add to the inequity. We are, however, pursuing an idea for a voluntary stamp or sticker that would be collaboratively marketed by outdoor retailers and others, with the revenue restricted to conservation purposes.
We are also actively supporting federal legislation, the Recovering America’s Wildlife Act, which would allocate a portion of federal fossil fuel royalties to state and tribal fish and wildlife grants.
Post by: Special T on November 20, 2018, 11:41:24 AM
Perhaps i just find it troubling that He is the person Highlighted by the department.
Post by: Stein on November 20, 2018, 01:05:10 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
Nothing in the Orca plan will help fisherman, either commercial or recreational. It will suck money, suck quota and become the spotted owl of the sea I am afraid.It has inland implications too regarding waterways and dams, remember we had a fish bio in central wa get chased up a tree doing salmon streams survey work
sent from the telephone
Post by: Stein on November 20, 2018, 01:51:23 PM
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Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2018, 01:52:15 PM
Post by: ribka on November 20, 2018, 05:01:17 PM
No one is proposing an individual "fossil fuel tax" to help fund WDFW. If you were referring to the Recovering America's Wildlife Act, that's a proposal working through Congress similar to the Land and Water Conservation Fund that would direct $26 million in wildlife funding to Washington state (and varying funds to all other states). But it's not the core issue at hand here locally.
The agency, and various stakeholder groups from Hunters Heritage Council and Mule Deer Foundation to CNW, Audubon and Illwaco Charter Association, is seeking significantly increased appropriations from the state General Fund to take the bulk of the funding burden off hunters and anglers, as well as modest fee increases (for example annual combo license fee increases would be between approximately $13.75 and $17.57).
Recommended reading:
https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sports/outdoors-wdfw-budget-woes-could-be-forestalled-in-future/
(https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sports/outdoors-wdfw-budget-woes-could-be-forestalled-in-future/) (includes description of Recovering America's Wildlife Act)
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-budget-panel-urges-commission-to-revisit-fee-increase-proposal/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-budget-panel-urges-commission-to-revisit-fee-increase-proposal/)
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commission-decides-on-15-percent-fee-hike-after-all-but-with-caps/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commission-decides-on-15-percent-fee-hike-after-all-but-with-caps/)
https://www.dailyrecordnews.com/outdoors/inside-the-outdoors-why-you-should-support-dfw-budget-solutions/article_f9d98937-f48a-5b38-bb17-c2474a8e0467.html? (https://www.dailyrecordnews.com/outdoors/inside-the-outdoors-why-you-should-support-dfw-budget-solutions/article_f9d98937-f48a-5b38-bb17-c2474a8e0467.html?)
Post by: Dale Gribble on November 20, 2018, 05:32:31 PM
Post by: Humptulips on November 20, 2018, 05:44:27 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 20, 2018, 05:46:19 PM
Ol Mitch coming to hunt Wa again to try and convince us all he’s the saint of the woods and water. Answer this bud, when they were wondering where all their money went did they mention how much they spent building a new f-ing office in Ellensburg? I’m sure it wasn’t cheap since it would’ve been a prevailing wage job and is not your run of the mill office. But that’s alright let’s just increase taxes on all the low income and middle class families at the suggestion of a bunch of eco terrorists. Un freaking believeable. I’m guessing Wa will lose more hunters to great states like ID and MT that actually care about their deer and elk populations.
Quit it with the truth already
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 21, 2018, 08:15:17 AM
Ol Mitch coming to hunt Wa again to try and convince us all he’s the saint of the woods and water. Answer this bud, when they were wondering where all their money went did they mention how much they spent building a new f-ing office in Ellensburg? I’m sure it wasn’t cheap since it would’ve been a prevailing wage job and is not your run of the mill office. But that’s alright let’s just increase taxes on all the low income and middle class families at the suggestion of a bunch of eco terrorists. Un freaking believeable. I’m guessing Wa will lose more hunters to great states like ID and MT that actually care about their deer and elk populations.You didn't read any of those articles, did you?
Post by: Dale Gribble on November 21, 2018, 08:38:25 AM
Ol Mitch coming to hunt Wa again to try and convince us all he’s the saint of the woods and water. Answer this bud, when they were wondering where all their money went did they mention how much they spent building a new f-ing office in Ellensburg? I’m sure it wasn’t cheap since it would’ve been a prevailing wage job and is not your run of the mill office. But that’s alright let’s just increase taxes on all the low income and middle class families at the suggestion of a bunch of eco terrorists. Un freaking believeable. I’m guessing Wa will lose more hunters to great states like ID and MT that actually care about their deer and elk populations.You didn't read any of those articles, did you?
Actually I did, what’s your point? Kind of an open ended question you have there.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 21, 2018, 09:09:58 AM
Post by: Dale Gribble on November 21, 2018, 09:30:57 AM
Post by: ribka on November 21, 2018, 10:16:02 AM
The point is that none of them mention tax increases for the low and middle class and the suggestion for revenue came from a pretty broad group, including hunters/anglers. You should get ahold of those folks (hunting representatives) if you don't like the plan.
That would not be entirely correct.
CNW supported 1631 the regressive tax that puts the tax burden on the lower income and minority populations in Washington state. As you know this regressive tax causes prices to rise in all commodities. And now CNW wants to start taxing sportsmen after 1631 failed.
https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-endorsing-initiative-1631/
Post by: Stein on November 21, 2018, 10:22:23 AM
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on November 21, 2018, 10:38:39 AM
I read the articles Mitch put hyperlinks for but also the one from his website in the OP, where they talk about changing state tax codes because it’s “too regressive.”
Mitch might be a forum member (he does hunt), but I'm not him.
Post by: CGDucksandDeer on November 21, 2018, 10:46:30 AM
Managing wildlife is a responsibility of the owners of the wildlife. More money should come directly from the general fund, or a line item in the state budget. License sales and PR funds provide a bunch, and they should, but the wildlife is the responsibility of the state.
I much agree. And the BPAG's recommendation and intent is to secure a significant increase in state General Fund appropriations for the Department, something that's increasingly needed, especially with how many non-game and ESA-listed species issues WDFW is working on these days.
As our license fees have not been increased since 2011, a small fee increase (less than $20) will also be needed, both to keep pace with inflation, and to gain support from state legislators for the larger WDFW funding package.
Laying groundwork for public support for WDFW funding from both non-hunters and hunters was the intent of Mitch's piece. As was mentioned above, if sportsmen have concerns with the plan for better funding our state fish and wildlife agency, you'd do well to reach out to participating groups like Hunters Heritage Council and Mule Deer Foundation.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 21, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
I'm not sure why CNW is taking a beating here due to a press release. There are 20 people on this collaborative group and hunters/anglers are represented. Tell them to get a press release out if you don't like CNW making news.
Better yet, get involved in a more meaningful way.
Post by: Special T on November 21, 2018, 11:27:24 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/bpag/
I'm not sure why CNW is taking a beating here due to a press release. There are 20 people on this collaborative group and hunters/anglers are represented. Tell them to get a press release out if you don't like CNW making news.
Better yet, get involved in a more meaningful way.
Here is why this sticks in my Craw. the WDFW highlights Mich Freidman above all those 20 others. There are some on that list that like or admire more than others. Ron Garner of Puget Sound Anglers, David Cloe of the Inland Northwest Wildlife Council, Rachel Voss of the Mule Deer Foundation, and Mark Pidgeon of the Hunters Heritage Council... All are working with and have a long history of working for the resource AND with the department. Is this reaction because sportsmen are overly sensitive? Are we missing something about Mitch and CNW? Where have they been sportsmens champions? Is the department highlighting CNW ignorance, or is it virtue signaling?
IMO here is the long and short of it. Like it or not CNW is organized. Sportsmen are much less so, and it appears that if the department could supplant its income stream away form sportmens influence they would be quite happy. Im disapointed the department choose to elevate a frenimie, likely because it seems like a more productive move than dealing with a bunch of unorganized Rabble like us. Ive joined a couple of new sportsmen orgs recently. I encourage you all to do the same and volunteer in some small way.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on November 21, 2018, 11:46:47 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 21, 2018, 11:50:10 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/bpag/
I'm not sure why CNW is taking a beating here due to a press release. There are 20 people on this collaborative group and hunters/anglers are represented. Tell them to get a press release out if you don't like CNW making news.
Better yet, get involved in a more meaningful way.
Here is why this sticks in my Craw. the WDFW highlights Mich Freidman above all those 20 others. There are some on that list that like or admire more than others. Ron Garner of Puget Sound Anglers, David Cloe of the Inland Northwest Wildlife Council, Rachel Voss of the Mule Deer Foundation, and Mark Pidgeon of the Hunters Heritage Council... All are working with and have a long history of working for the resource AND with the department. Is this reaction because sportsmen are overly sensitive? Are we missing something about Mitch and CNW? Where have they been sportsmens champions? Is the department highlighting CNW ignorance, or is it virtue signaling?
IMO here is the long and short of it. Like it or not CNW is organized. Sportsmen are much less so, and it appears that if the department could supplant its income stream away form sportmens influence they would be quite happy. Im disapointed the department choose to elevate a frenimie, likely because it seems like a more productive move than dealing with a bunch of unorganized Rabble like us. Ive joined a couple of new sportsmen orgs recently. I encourage you all to do the same and volunteer in some small way.
You said it better :tup:
CNW has credibility issues big time.
Post by: ribka on November 21, 2018, 01:55:47 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96324&page=1
I wonder if Dale or the mods would allow the spokespersons of radical fringe anti sportsmen groups PETA and the Humane Society to come on Hunt WA and post false propaganda :dunno:
I’ve been actively involved in conservation groups for over 30 years and it seems like the big and well funded corporations like CNW always win and we have no voice. Go to a wolf meeting in WA sometime in OR or WA if you want an eye opener on these dirty politics.
I’m glad CNW doesn’t have a strong foothold in Idaho Montana and Wyoming
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/bpag/
I'm not sure why CNW is taking a beating here due to a press release. There are 20 people on this collaborative group and hunters/anglers are represented. Tell them to get a press release out if you don't like CNW making news. :dunno:
We sure live in strange times
Better yet, get involved in a more meaningful way.
Here is why this sticks in my Craw. the WDFW highlights Mich Freidman above all those 20 others. There are some on that list that like or admire more than others. Ron Garner of Puget Sound Anglers, David Cloe of the Inland Northwest Wildlife Council, Rachel Voss of the Mule Deer Foundation, and Mark Pidgeon of the Hunters Heritage Council... All are working with and have a long history of working for the resource AND with the department. Is this reaction because sportsmen are overly sensitive? Are we missing something about Mitch and CNW? Where have they been sportsmens champions? Is the department highlighting CNW ignorance, or is it virtue signaling?
IMO here is the long and short of it. Like it or not CNW is organized. Sportsmen are much less so, and it appears that if the department could supplant its income stream away form sportmens influence they would be quite happy. Im disapointed the department choose to elevate a frenimie, likely because it seems like a more productive move than dealing with a bunch of unorganized Rabble like us. Ive joined a couple of new sportsmen orgs recently. I encourage you all to do the same and volunteer in some small way.
You said it better :tup:
CNW has credibility issues big time.
Post by: Special T on November 21, 2018, 02:09:14 PM
Mitch Friedman and CNW ‘s emotional non science based policy of shutting down all timber management has helped the western ecosystem about as well as their uncontrolled big predators policies have helped the moose and woodland caribou populations.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96324&page=1
I wonder if Dale or the mods would allow the spokespersons of radical fringe anti sportsmen groups PETA and the Humane Society to come on Hunt WA and post false propaganda :dunno:
I’ve been actively involved in conservation groups for over 30 years and it seems like the big and well funded corporations like CNW always win and we have no voice. Go to a wolf meeting in WA sometime in OR or WA if you want an eye opener on these dirty politics.
I’m glad CNW doesn’t have a strong foothold in Idaho Montana and Wyominghttps://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/bpag/
I'm not sure why CNW is taking a beating here due to a press release. There are 20 people on this collaborative group and hunters/anglers are represented. Tell them to get a press release out if you don't like CNW making news. :dunno:
We sure live in strange times
Better yet, get involved in a more meaningful way.
Here is why this sticks in my Craw. the WDFW highlights Mich Freidman above all those 20 others. There are some on that list that like or admire more than others. Ron Garner of Puget Sound Anglers, David Cloe of the Inland Northwest Wildlife Council, Rachel Voss of the Mule Deer Foundation, and Mark Pidgeon of the Hunters Heritage Council... All are working with and have a long history of working for the resource AND with the department. Is this reaction because sportsmen are overly sensitive? Are we missing something about Mitch and CNW? Where have they been sportsmens champions? Is the department highlighting CNW ignorance, or is it virtue signaling?
IMO here is the long and short of it. Like it or not CNW is organized. Sportsmen are much less so, and it appears that if the department could supplant its income stream away form sportmens influence they would be quite happy. Im disapointed the department choose to elevate a frenimie, likely because it seems like a more productive move than dealing with a bunch of unorganized Rabble like us. Ive joined a couple of new sportsmen orgs recently. I encourage you all to do the same and volunteer in some small way.
You said it better :tup:
CNW has credibility issues big time.
This is why i have pivoted some what on the Love/Hate many of us have had for big national organizations that seem to just always call for more $. When the same face always shows up to the public meetings representing MDF, RMEF, NRA, SCI etc. there is a knowledge and relationship built. This is much harder to do with Joe 6 pack that shows up once in a while when the public input meeting is in town.
Post by: KFhunter on November 21, 2018, 08:19:49 PM
I wonder if Dale or the mods would allow the spokespersons of radical fringe anti sportsmen groups PETA and the Humane Society to come on Hunt WA and post false propaganda :dunno:
do you remember humanure?
The simple fact is we can't keep them out, they can make up some user name and pose as a random HW member.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 01, 2018, 03:00:52 PM
Post by: ribka on December 04, 2018, 05:18:44 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-global-carbon-tax-revolt-1543880507
And how much carbon has been released in the air the past 30 years fron uncontrolled forest fires after Mitch Friedman shut down logging???
No one is proposing an individual "fossil fuel tax" to help fund WDFW. If you were referring to the Recovering America's Wildlife Act, that's a proposal working through Congress similar to the Land and Water Conservation Fund that would direct $26 million in wildlife funding to Washington state (and varying funds to all other states). But it's not the core issue at hand here locally.
The agency, and various stakeholder groups from Hunters Heritage Council and Mule Deer Foundation to CNW, Audubon and Illwaco Charter Association, is seeking significantly increased appropriations from the state General Fund to take the bulk of the funding burden off hunters and anglers, as well as modest fee increases (for example annual combo license fee increases would be between approximately $13.75 and $17.57).
Recommended reading:
https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sports/outdoors-wdfw-budget-woes-could-be-forestalled-in-future/
(https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sports/outdoors-wdfw-budget-woes-could-be-forestalled-in-future/) (includes description of Recovering America's Wildlife Act)
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-budget-panel-urges-commission-to-revisit-fee-increase-proposal/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-budget-panel-urges-commission-to-revisit-fee-increase-proposal/)
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commission-decides-on-15-percent-fee-hike-after-all-but-with-caps/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commission-decides-on-15-percent-fee-hike-after-all-but-with-caps/)
https://www.dailyrecordnews.com/outdoors/inside-the-outdoors-why-you-should-support-dfw-budget-solutions/article_f9d98937-f48a-5b38-bb17-c2474a8e0467.html? (https://www.dailyrecordnews.com/outdoors/inside-the-outdoors-why-you-should-support-dfw-budget-solutions/article_f9d98937-f48a-5b38-bb17-c2474a8e0467.html?)
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 04, 2018, 06:43:55 AM
Let me rephrase that. I feel sorry for the socialist soldiers all being forced to walk in lock step to the leaders of the state.