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Other Hunting => Coyote, Small Game, Varmints => Topic started by: fast1 on December 04, 2018, 12:40:44 PM

Title: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: fast1 on December 04, 2018, 12:40:44 PM: What is your choice for the field? Or both? Depending on the cover I will take both. I will always take a rifle, but if the cover is heavy Sage to wear it's 40yds or less I will take the shotgun with some 9 pelt #4.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: AWS on December 04, 2018, 01:45:43 PM: When I get into areas where shots can be close I usually carry a combo gun or German drilling, that way I have both and only have to carry one weapon because it always seems you have the wrong one in your lap with two.

Drilling in 16ga/16ga/6.5x58R 1 oz of NP BB's wreaks havoc on coyotes inside 40 yard , 90gr Speer does nicely at 200+ yards.

The combo guns 12ga/5,6x50R Magnum and 12ga/22 Savage High power 40 and under with a 1 1/4oz of NP BB's and 52-55 gr bullets puts them in mortal danger at 300 yards.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: fast1 on December 04, 2018, 04:16:33 PM: That sounds like a nice set up. Ive got two. Ones a .22/20 & the other is a 17/20. Just seems like the 20ga would be a little light for dogs past 10yds. Where do you find hi power ammo? I have 2, ones a break down but I can't find ammo so I never use them. Sweet coyote caliber.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: AWS on December 04, 2018, 11:16:16 PM: Here's one place. I think most of the large mail order places that carry S&B have it. It is also known as 5.6x52R in Europe.

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/111?

And another, same place that carries the bullets

https://www.buffaloarms.com/22-savage-hi-power-loaded-ammo-70-grain-spitzer-head-stamped-5-6x52mm-sellier-bellot-box-of-20-amo22sav70

Buffalo arms carries 45, 55 and 60gr .228 bullets to reload for it. I load their 55gr bullets for coyotes.

https://www.buffaloarms.com/reloading-supplies-accessories/jacketed-lead-copper-coated-bullets?p=2

45 gr are on page one

Factory Hornady 70gr .228's can be a little long to stableize in the 99's some guys shorten them by filing off the tip to get them to stablize.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: wolftrapper on December 05, 2018, 05:08:40 AM: Rifle for me. Twice I have gunned coyotes with the shotgun, and they both ran off. However, the past few weeks,I have had a few inside forty yards, that I never got on with the rifle.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: fast1 on December 05, 2018, 03:53:13 PM: Thanks AWS, I will certainly check them out. Shotgun can be quicker at times. The way you kill them wolftrapper you would have to pull a wagon just to get everything back out of the field! :tup:
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: 700xcr on December 30, 2018, 12:55:04 PM: Carbine
https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/model-1894/model-1894c
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: AWS on December 31, 2018, 08:34:22 AM: A rifle is a rifle no matter what the configuration. I have one of those(1894 CL) in 218 Bee. I actually find open sights to be slower than a 1-4x20mm scope that is set up well on a the rifle. I'm too old to pack two guns, if I don't have a combo gun in the truck, my little 222 Sako or 222 Modele70 with a 1-4x20/24 scope on 1x runs a very close second to a shotgun and still have the ability to knock a coyote off the hillside a couple hundred yards away.

Note avatar 5.6x50R Mag/12ga combo 1-4x20mm Leupold VX-II

Drilling 16ga/16ga/6.5x58R

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It has a 1-3x20 Weaver on it in the picture

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Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: jasnt on December 31, 2018, 08:41:51 AM: All depends on the conditions or my mood. Mostly rifle but if it’s thick the shotgun with#4 buck and some days both
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: 700xcr on December 31, 2018, 08:46:55 AM: Quote from: AWS on December 31, 2018, 08:34:22 AM
A rifle is a rifle no matter what the configuration. I have one of those(1894 CL) in 218 Bee. I actually find open sights to be slower than a 1-4x20mm scope that is set up well on a the rifle. I'm too old to pack two guns, if I don't have a combo gun in the truck, my little 222 Sako or 222 Modele70 with a 1-4x20/24 scope on 1x runs a very close second to a shotgun and still have the ability to knock a coyote off the hillside a couple hundred yards away.

Note avatar 5.6x50R Mag/12ga combo 1-4x20mm Leupold VX-II
On your lever action, try XS Ghost Ring Sights and you will find it just as fast as a scope or faster! You focus on front sight and eye centers automatically in rear ghost ring. Works well in thick cover.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: AWS on December 31, 2018, 08:53:36 AM: Been there done that, shot receiver sights from the 1950's on until the late 1970's when I got my first 1.5-4x20mm scope. In the woods we'd pull the apertures out, same as a ghost ring.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: KFhunter on January 01, 2019, 09:04:56 AM: https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/drilling-combination-guns/borovnik-combination-rifle-shotgun.cfm?gun_id=100730921

16ga / 222

that would be sweet
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: nwwanderer on January 01, 2019, 09:30:50 AM: AWS, fs the sako? Nice, both
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: AWS on January 01, 2019, 04:15:38 PM: That BovorniK is nice but spendy.

Great combo guns can be found for considerably less

Bernardelli 5.6x50R(approx 222 Rem Mag with rim for positive extraction)/12ga right at $1K like new Killed alot of coyotes with it. $1K

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BRNO 22 Sav. Highpower(30-30 necked to .228)/12ga $495 with scope mount, it is my travel gun shooting Sub-MOA groups to 300 tards with the 1-4 scope on it. Plus it has a set of O/U 12ga barrels to go with it.

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There are a number of Tikkas, Valmets, BRNO, CZ's out there for under $1K
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: huntingfool7 on January 01, 2019, 11:40:15 PM: What is your load for the 22 Highpower? A matched set of 12g barrels would be a huge plus!
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: Tracker0721 on January 02, 2019, 06:37:15 AM: AWS helped me a lot and showed me some good resources when I was looking to buy. Now I’m tossing around buying another! But up until the combo I just carried a rifle but with see through scope mounts or offset irons. If 2 of us were going one carried a rifle and the other a shotgun.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: AWS on January 02, 2019, 09:14:00 AM: I use 55gr Buffalo Arms .228 bullet with 4895 powder. I use 219 Zipper load data(keep them mild) for a guideline plus some old data from the book "Pet Loads" it does shoot well.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: huntingfool7 on January 03, 2019, 05:42:23 AM: Thanks AWS. I've been eyeballing those 22 Highpowers and 222Rimmed but have not looked into what to feed them.
Being able to use 30-30 brass would help.
Title: Re: Rifle or Scatter gun?
Post by: AWS on January 03, 2019, 06:56:26 PM: 222 Rimmed can get a little tougher than the 22 HP. Bertram makes 222 Rimmed(spendy), you can make it from 5.6x50R Mag(brass from Huntington's) and 357 Maximum ( think they come up a scoash short but workable.