Post by: ghosthunter on December 06, 2018, 09:32:10 PM
Given the roads maybe jammed with cars along most of I 5. You might be reduced to other means of travel. You can’t take the safe full of guns, which ones go with you?
For me
I would take my two Bond Hand Cannons with 9mm, 380, 45 LC/.410 barrels. And a
KSG 12 ga. If room I would throw in the SVE 9 with four 16 ct. mags.
If the stores were being looted I think the common rounds would disappear first like 5.56,223, etc. .410 would maybe be passed over. And 12 ga is common and can be found every where.
What’s your plan?
Post by: JWEBB on December 06, 2018, 09:59:32 PM
Post by: Romulus1297 on December 06, 2018, 10:13:35 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 06, 2018, 10:23:01 PM
Your requirements for the trip will be very different than your requirements for the arrival.
Since I've already arrived, I don't have to worry about what to pack, only how to defend it.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 06, 2018, 10:34:05 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 06, 2018, 10:58:07 PM
Post by: Tiger1358 on December 06, 2018, 11:02:03 PM
Since 594 and 1639 went through I've seen the light and sold all mine. ;)
:bdid: :bdid: :bdid:
Post by: Whitpirate on December 06, 2018, 11:05:01 PM
Since 594 and 1639 went through I've seen the light and sold all mine. ;)
Me too
Post by: Special T on December 06, 2018, 11:30:42 PM
Ruger Old Army of course! Plenty of bullet lead from wheel weights off people’s abandoned cars. Load it with anything, BP, Pyro, Smokeless, it doesnt care (Bill Ruger proved that years ago). 10000 caps in a sandwich bag. Loaded for life! :tup:
This is an interesting idea that has been displayed in several different Apocalypse films. Sadly this states wheel weights are mostly Zinc now not lead. I personally love black powder guns. Then again i like most retro primal things like archery as well.
For this discussion i dont think guns are important just ammo. IMO a 9mm pistol with a carbine that takes the same mags would be as good as it gets. a close second would be a 357 revolver and a lever gun in the same caliber.
If you want to look at the most realistic issue Washington may face look at the Cascadia rising earthquake event. the Washington national guard did a simulation test a few years ago, but USED THE CURRENT INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE! imagine life where EVERY bridge to the PCT was collapsed. pretty scary and difficult to plan for when you realize life wouldnt return to normal for 5 years on the west side.
I was near the Locks during the Nisqually quake and that was just a baby. Since i was on a pier it was accentuated.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/disaster/cascadia-rising-drill-offers-sobering-assessment-of-future-disaster-response/458379584
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 06, 2018, 11:39:38 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 06, 2018, 11:47:58 PM
Ruger Old Army of course! Plenty of bullet lead from wheel weights off people’s abandoned cars. Load it with anything, BP, Pyro, Smokeless, it doesnt care (Bill Ruger proved that years ago). 10000 caps in a sandwich bag. Loaded for life! :tup:
This is an interesting idea that has been displayed in several different Apocalypse films. Sadly this states wheel weights are mostly Zinc now not lead. I personally love black powder guns. Then again i like most retro primal things like archery as well.
For this discussion i dont think guns are important just ammo. IMO a 9mm pistol with a carbine that takes the same mags would be as good as it gets. a close second would be a 357 revolver and a lever gun in the same caliber.
AR15 rifle and Carbon15 Pistol both use the same mags and same round. FN FiveseveN, AR57 and FN P90 all shoot the same round but different mags. 92FS Beretta and Cx4 Storm both shoot the same round with same mags.
Post by: phx2sea on December 07, 2018, 12:20:30 AM
Post by: Bango skank on December 07, 2018, 04:51:16 AM
S&w 627pc .357 8 rounds
S&w 360pd .357 5 rounds
Simplicity. Common, interchangable ammo for all
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 07, 2018, 05:53:37 AM
Post by: Rob on December 07, 2018, 06:22:15 AM
Marlin 1894 .357 10 rounds
S&w 627pc .357 8 rounds
S&w 360pd .357 5 rounds
Simplicity. Common, interchangable ammo for all
Only taking 23 rounds of ammo huh? Wish I was that great of a shot! (Kidding of course - I see those are mag/cylinder sizes) you have the added benefit of 2 kinds of ammo that you could use in at least 2 if not all 3 of them.
For me it would be a rifle in 22LR (probably a scoped takedown 10-22 threaded for suppressor that also has iron sites), a nice solid 12Gauge 870 express, a 357 revolver and a scoped 308 Bolt Action also threaded.
If there was room I'd toss in a 7mm Bolt action and one of those Kel Tec PMR 30's.
Post by: birddogdad on December 07, 2018, 08:36:58 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 07, 2018, 08:40:54 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 07, 2018, 08:48:05 AM
ones i have ammo for...:yeah: ruger 10/22 ( w ten bricks ammo) , 12 ga, and AR.
Small game - fowl - big game/defense with affordable ammo.
Post by: bigdave on December 07, 2018, 08:50:33 AM
Post by: nutntoit on December 07, 2018, 08:53:27 AM
Post by: bornhunter on December 07, 2018, 08:58:17 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 07, 2018, 09:11:52 AM
Post by: CaNINE on December 07, 2018, 09:13:46 AM
Plenty of 308 ammo to be acquired by any means necessary. Capable of taking thin skinned “game” animals with authority.
Post by: bornhunter on December 07, 2018, 09:32:52 AM
If you live in the right area, no reason to leave.😉
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 07, 2018, 09:38:20 AM
We talking natural disaster or some red dawn type thing? I need more specifics :chuckle:If I know you. You'd be thrilled with a Red Dawn scenario. Wolverines!
Post by: h20hunter on December 07, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Post by: Jharstad7182 on December 07, 2018, 10:02:10 AM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on December 07, 2018, 10:19:52 AM
Post by: Night goat on December 07, 2018, 10:30:34 AM
But id also be bringing my AR (wish I had an AK instead), 12ga pump, and a single action 22lr revolver and the 9mm
Wish I also had a 357mag like a redhawk or gp100
Post by: Night goat on December 07, 2018, 10:33:36 AM
All my Nerf guns and a super soaker.
I made a flamethrower out of a supersoaker once. Kerosene motor oil and a splash of gasoline to thin it down a little works wonders IF you know what you are doing.... Especially if you use one of those giant ones that hold a few gallons... Easilly can get a 30-40 foot flame
Wouldn't rely on it but it will work great til the seals get eaten up by the fuel, has about a 2 week lifespan.... Not that i would know...... :peep: :llam:
Post by: Pacific on December 07, 2018, 10:35:59 AM
So, I carry a small "get home bag" in my truck and whatever weapon I may have on me at the time. Can't be too heavy, because I might be on foot and it might take me a couple days to get home......once there, between us and the neighbors (pretty good community) we would be o.k. for a while.
Post by: Alchase on December 07, 2018, 10:50:44 AM
Ruger Old Army of course! Plenty of bullet lead from wheel weights off people’s abandoned cars. Load it with anything, BP, Pyro, Smokeless, it doesnt care (Bill Ruger proved that years ago). 10000 caps in a sandwich bag. Loaded for life! :tup:
This is an interesting idea that has been displayed in several different Apocalypse films. Sadly this states wheel weights are mostly Zinc now not lead. I personally love black powder guns. Then again i like most retro primal things like archery as well.
For this discussion i dont think guns are important just ammo. IMO a 9mm pistol with a carbine that takes the same mags would be as good as it gets. a close second would be a 357 revolver and a lever gun in the same caliber.
If you want to look at the most realistic issue Washington may face look at the Cascadia rising earthquake event. the Washington national guard did a simulation test a few years ago, but USED THE CURRENT INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE! imagine life where EVERY bridge to the PCT was collapsed. pretty scary and difficult to plan for when you realize life wouldnt return to normal for 5 years on the west side.
I was near the Locks during the Nisqually quake and that was just a baby. Since i was on a pier it was accentuated.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/disaster/cascadia-rising-drill-offers-sobering-assessment-of-future-disaster-response/458379584
I was in the Boeing Developmental Center when the Nisqually earthquake in 2001.
They immediately closed all bridges and on-ramps until they could be inspected. There is no way out of that valley, without having to go over a bridge or get on an on-ramp.
Everyone was stuck on Meridian in traffic for 4 hours not moving. I could see I-5 a crossed the valley, it was deserted because no one could get on the freeway.
And all the cell towers went offline do to overload.
I know this a tongue and cheek thread, but it would be smart to thinks these things through for all the locations you or your family could be in a disaster.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 07, 2018, 10:57:48 AM
Ruger Old Army of course! Plenty of bullet lead from wheel weights off people’s abandoned cars. Load it with anything, BP, Pyro, Smokeless, it doesnt care (Bill Ruger proved that years ago). 10000 caps in a sandwich bag. Loaded for life! :tup:
This is an interesting idea that has been displayed in several different Apocalypse films. Sadly this states wheel weights are mostly Zinc now not lead. I personally love black powder guns. Then again i like most retro primal things like archery as well.
For this discussion i dont think guns are important just ammo. IMO a 9mm pistol with a carbine that takes the same mags would be as good as it gets. a close second would be a 357 revolver and a lever gun in the same caliber.
If you want to look at the most realistic issue Washington may face look at the Cascadia rising earthquake event. the Washington national guard did a simulation test a few years ago, but USED THE CURRENT INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE! imagine life where EVERY bridge to the PCT was collapsed. pretty scary and difficult to plan for when you realize life wouldnt return to normal for 5 years on the west side.
I was near the Locks during the Nisqually quake and that was just a baby. Since i was on a pier it was accentuated.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/disaster/cascadia-rising-drill-offers-sobering-assessment-of-future-disaster-response/458379584
I was in the Boeing Developmental Center when the Nisqually earthquake in 2001.
They immediately closed all bridges and on-ramps until they could be inspected. There is no way out of that valley, without having to go over a bridge or get on an on-ramp.
Everyone was stuck on Meridian in traffic for 4 hours not moving. I could see I-5 a crossed the valley, it was deserted because no one could get on the freeway.
And all the cell towers went offline do to overload.
I know this a tongue and cheek thread, but it would be smart to thinks these things through for all the locations you or your family could be in a disaster.
Don't need an earthquake. During the last major ice storm winter, I-5 was cut to the south by flooding, IIRC, and I-90 was cut by avalanches. I shudder to think of a Rainier event implications for the region, much less the worst case earthquake.
If I I didn't also see the light, it would be 870 12 ga., Glock 9 mm, and bolt rifle in .308.
Post by: Igor on December 07, 2018, 11:34:20 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 07, 2018, 11:42:33 AM
No Cell phones or Social Media. Commodities that can be traded will have a higher value than all the cash you could carry and the debt cards will be in high demand also.
Trying to figure out where this is headed. When this may happen do you have to return to where ever you have the stock pile of mythical arm's we have all destroyed?
Post by: ghosthunter on December 07, 2018, 12:02:51 PM
Something we all need to think about.
Mount Baker, Rainier, Adams, and earth quakes.
Red dawn possible I guess. Civil war?????
Since my kids are all grown. My first priority would be to get to my wife. After that all depends on the problem.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 07, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
But yes, cash on hand in $20 bills or smaller is a good idea generally for power outages, as well as keeping your tanks above 1/2 tank, having 72 hours to multiple weeks of food and water available or on hand, etc. just seems to be good sense.
Post by: Rob on December 07, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
Post by: Stein on December 07, 2018, 03:22:12 PM
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Post by: bknilvr00 on December 07, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
12 gauge with flechettes and dragon’s breath.
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Post by: PolarBear on December 07, 2018, 03:42:11 PM
Post by: Night goat on December 07, 2018, 05:12:01 PM
I'm not going anywhere so I get to keep them all.
Yeah, im gonna be loading up my sailboat with my Alaknak and guns and dog and lady and headding for the islands or Alaska if the SHTF
Post by: Alpine Mojo on December 07, 2018, 05:46:29 PM
And, there will be no internet for days, maybe weeks, or longer.
:yike: :yike: :yike:
No Cell phones or Social Media.
F***ing millenials. They will be the first victims...and they have no idea.
Get off my lawn while you have the chance. :chuckle:
Post by: magnanimous_j on December 07, 2018, 05:49:06 PM
Post by: Special T on December 07, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
If there is the cascadia event quake you boat will likely be toothpicks or placed on dry land some distance from normal high tide line. 2cI'm not going anywhere so I get to keep them all.
Yeah, im gonna be loading up my sailboat with my Alaknak and guns and dog and lady and headding for the islands or Alaska if the SHTF
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Post by: Special T on December 07, 2018, 05:59:35 PM
Cut shotshells and wax slugs work better out of a beach loader. While a cut shell isnt as good as a slug of any kind, you can almost always find bird shot. Not to mention a double barrel doesnt really meet the scary black gun threshold. I've played with using plain trap shells and replacing the pellets with home poured buckshot and key drive slugs. So far I've been impressed with the basic utility of this setup.
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Post by: meatwhack on December 07, 2018, 07:29:16 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 07, 2018, 08:19:20 PM
There are an extremely small number of scenarios where bugging out is the right thing to do. Your energy is better spent thinking about how to fortify your home and stock enough supplies to wait out trouble.:yeah:
Already ahead of it, that's why I'm staying put. ;)
Post by: lokidog on December 07, 2018, 08:36:11 PM
If you live in the right area, no reason to leave.😉
That's what I was going to say... I'm not going anywhere. :chuckle:
Post by: Igor on December 08, 2018, 08:52:20 AM
Psychology of SHTF Survival
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/12/02/psychology-shtf-survival/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2018-12-09&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on December 08, 2018, 09:37:16 AM
Albeit said Gun would not be my "first choice" in a gunfight, but as a survival tool in a "no rules scenario" where harvesting food will be first on the agenda, I would choose.......
Years Back, a friend of mine, (who farms in Eastern Washington,) had his 10 year old Son come to him with this question, (after receiving his first gun for Christmas)
"Dad, if I were to shoot a Deer in the eye, would it kill it?" :hunt2:
"Well, Son, if you were a good enough shot and you could sneak up close enough to hit it in the eye.....there is a chance that it could likely be killed."
With that his son smiling, took off, headed down toward the creek.
Not thinking much about it, my friend continued the job he was working on.
Until after a few hours went by, looking up he spotted his son running back up the hill all excited. :hello:
"Dad, Dad, I got my Deer!" he proudly announced.
"What do you mean you got your deer? Deer Season isn't even open!" :yike:
Doing what he felt he was obligated to do, he got on the phone and let the "Powers to Be" know what had happened.
"You say your Son just shot a Doe in the eye with his BB Gun on your own property and she is hanging in your barn now?"
"Yes Sir, and my son and I have just had a "Man to Man" talk about obeying the Law and the consequence's of not following the Rules".
"Fine! Now I know your family has been struggling to make ends meet lately and if there is a deer hanging out of sight in your barn instead of raiding your crops......and if I don't hear anymore about this....well, I'm sure your family could use the meat."
"You let your Son know that we agree, this will not be happening again!......and by the way, you can tell him from me..... "NICE SHOT"
( I'll be taking my BB GUN!)
Doug
Post by: lokidog on December 08, 2018, 10:08:17 AM
Post by: Alchase on December 08, 2018, 04:52:29 PM
Shoots perfectly fine, lol
Post by: AL WORRELLS KID on December 08, 2018, 07:11:56 PM
How many pumps until the seal wears out in the BB gun? ;)
I can always call for backup. :tup:
Doug
Post by: Seahawk12 on December 08, 2018, 07:31:36 PM
I have a Crossman 760 in my garage that I bought at 12 from Pay-N-Pak.I have a 760 that I got 36 years ago and works like new.
Shoots perfectly fine, lol
Never replaced anything on it.
Post by: PolarBear on December 08, 2018, 10:16:38 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 08, 2018, 10:18:31 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 08, 2018, 10:37:20 PM
Post by: shootem on December 08, 2018, 11:51:25 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 08, 2018, 11:57:17 PM
Actually, it is an interesting thought about a mid caliber(.24-.30 caliber) high end air rifle for armageddon. If you have a couple thousand projectiles the propellant is endless. The guns can do plenty of damage. Have some replacement seals/O rings on hand and I am sure you can go forever. I think I just convinced myself to buy one. Anybody have any experience with these?
You won't need anything except your credentials, Dr's will be protected like gold.....it's layers that had better have a good plan. :chuckle:
Post by: shootem on December 09, 2018, 12:02:10 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on December 09, 2018, 05:26:15 PM
If the cities are evacuated (which they probably won't be), then hundreds of thousands of refugees are going to start pouring into the rural areas and the very first thing they are going to do is kill absolutely every wild animal they come across. If you are hunting anything, its going to be dogs and rats.
Being killed by a lunatic in this new Mad Max world of ours is actually pretty far down the list of dangers. Disease, exposure and thirst are going to kill way more people than bullets.
Post by: Bofire on December 09, 2018, 05:41:16 PM
Carl
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 09, 2018, 05:47:53 PM
If anyone thinks they are going to take the apocalypse as an opportunity to catch up on their hunting and fishing, I've got bad news.
If the cities are evacuated (which they probably won't be), then hundreds of thousands of refugees are going to start pouring into the rural areas and the very first thing they are going to do is kill absolutely every wild animal they come across. If you are hunting anything, its going to be dogs and rats.
Being killed by a lunatic in this new Mad Max world of ours is actually pretty far down the list of dangers. Disease, exposure and thirst are going to kill way more people than bullets.
What are they going to kill with, they hate guns.🤔
Post by: Fishnfowler on December 09, 2018, 06:07:02 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 09, 2018, 06:37:58 PM
If anyone thinks they are going to take the apocalypse as an opportunity to catch up on their hunting and fishing, I've got bad news.
If the cities are evacuated (which they probably won't be), then hundreds of thousands of refugees are going to start pouring into the rural areas and the very first thing they are going to do is kill absolutely every wild animal they come across. If you are hunting anything, its going to be dogs and rats.
Being killed by a lunatic in this new Mad Max world of ours is actually pretty far down the list of dangers. Disease, exposure and thirst are going to kill way more people than bullets.
That’s why the thoroughfares should be closed first.
:twocents:
Post by: magnanimous_j on December 09, 2018, 06:43:00 PM
If anyone thinks they are going to take the apocalypse as an opportunity to catch up on their hunting and fishing, I've got bad news.
If the cities are evacuated (which they probably won't be), then hundreds of thousands of refugees are going to start pouring into the rural areas and the very first thing they are going to do is kill absolutely every wild animal they come across. If you are hunting anything, its going to be dogs and rats.
Being killed by a lunatic in this new Mad Max world of ours is actually pretty far down the list of dangers. Disease, exposure and thirst are going to kill way more people than bullets.
That’s why the thoroughfares should be closed first.
:twocents:
You mean the freeways? Those are how relief efforts are going to move aid around. They will be open or the National Guard will open them.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 09, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 09, 2018, 06:46:43 PM
Actually, it is an interesting thought about a mid caliber(.24-.30 caliber) high end air rifle for armageddon. If you have a couple thousand projectiles the propellant is endless. The guns can do plenty of damage. Have some replacement seals/O rings on hand and I am sure you can go forever. I think I just convinced myself to buy one. Anybody have any experience with these?
You won't need anything except your credentials, Dr's will be protected like gold.....it's lawyers that had better have a good plan. :chuckle:
:cryriver:
:chuckle:
Post by: magnanimous_j on December 09, 2018, 06:52:43 PM
So urbanites will be fleeing the relief efforts?
I doubt it. Some people might bug out to the hills, but the majority will stay put. What I said before was just a specific scenario.
But I do think it would be very counter productive for rural residents to shut down the freeways.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 09, 2018, 06:55:30 PM
"Some people might bug out to the hills, but the majority will stay put."
Reconcile, please.
Post by: magnanimous_j on December 09, 2018, 06:57:34 PM
"then hundreds of thousands of refugees are going to start pouring into the rural areas."
"Some people might bug out to the hills, but the majority will stay put."
Reconcile, please.
In reality, I do not think there will be a mass exodus from the cities.
I said that stuff before because I was trying to prove a point that I can't remember now.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 09, 2018, 07:03:47 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on December 24, 2018, 10:19:50 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 24, 2018, 05:55:47 PM
"then hundreds of thousands of refugees are going to start pouring into the rural areas."
"Some people might bug out to the hills, but the majority will stay put."
Reconcile, please.
In reality, I do not think there will be a mass exodus from the cities.
I said that stuff before because I was trying to prove a point that I can't remember now.
So you don't know what you're talking about...good news is no one really does in subjects like these as no two Apocalypses are the same.
If I were on the west side of the Cascade crest I'd be worried about a massive earthquakes, eruptions and tsunami (and all the above at once)..that would be my #1 mass kill off scenario.
In such a scenario roads will probably be impassable, if a big enough quake hits and the dams go and hills slide...well. /shudder
Every location has it's issues and threats.
For national collapse due to overwhelming social disorder it might be better to be in a urban area, you will get aid. Those out in the country will be the last to get government help as they'll triage by population density. This could be a good thing *if* you're out in the country and able to deal with it...helloooo fishin n huntin! but I think most people living rural will not be able to cope with a collapse.
For global WWIII I think the nation will come together like post 9/11 and set aside our differences, there might even be a soft coup as with Truman and MacArthur, the latter disobeying orders and taking North Korea..which put China into the fray.
As an aside..If you think Mattis leaving was a big deal....
On 11 April 1951, U.S. President Harry S. Truman relieved General of the Army Douglas MacArthur of his commands after MacArthur made public statements which contradicted the administration's policies.
Whatever power play that happens will happen and the whole nation will be in a war footing, we're talking a revival of the US Sedition act, national curfew/martial law, conscription (draft) the whole works.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 24, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
A few others:
PS shuts down with an inch or so of snow. This is a normal occurrence. Even a stiff rain can set things awty.
Rain routinely shuts down rail traffic with slides.
Yes, relief efforts would be focused on population centers. So would societal unrest.
No two apocalypses are the same, but it helps to look at parallels to recent history.
https://www.theorganicprepper.com/shtf-bosnia-selco-americans/
Post by: HawkCreek on December 26, 2018, 09:51:52 PM
Rifles are either a Ruger GSR, Winchester 94AE Trapper in .30-30 or a Winchester 1895 in .30-06 (usually the .30-06). I keep a magazine or two loaded for the GSR the other two just get a couple boxes of loose rounds in the console.
Post by: brush hunter on December 29, 2018, 08:13:08 AM
Ruger Old Army of course! Plenty of bullet lead from wheel weights off people’s abandoned cars. Load it with anything, BP, Pyro, Smokeless, it doesnt care (Bill Ruger proved that years ago). 10000 caps in a sandwich bag. Loaded for life! :tup:
Good choice as you can make your own black powder.
Myself...Why would I leave? My arsenal is here and I have a lot of liberals living in the area, I will just take what I need from them!
Post by: BNAElkhntr on December 29, 2018, 08:16:36 AM
Ruger Old Army of course! Plenty of bullet lead from wheel weights off people’s abandoned cars. Load it with anything, BP, Pyro, Smokeless, it doesnt care (Bill Ruger proved that years ago). 10000 caps in a sandwich bag. Loaded for life! :tup:
Good choice as you can make your own black powder.
Myself...Why would I leave? My arsenal is here and I have a lot of liberals living in the area, I will just take what I need from them!
Always been my plan :tup:
Post by: wags on December 29, 2018, 08:37:02 PM
Post by: Mudman on December 29, 2018, 08:43:06 PM
Would anybody who truly has a bug-out plan really post it on here and tell the whole world?:yeah: Kinda what I was thinking too.. MMM's the word! Im out to my bunker in the Olympics now.. :chuckle:
Post by: Night goat on January 03, 2019, 11:35:02 AM
Post by: paultanninen on January 10, 2019, 10:14:01 AM
Post by: konradcountry on January 12, 2019, 08:25:28 AM
For national collapse due to overwhelming social disorder it might be better to be in a urban area, you will get aid.
Doubt that for any West coast city.
Seattle panics when there is a little snow on the ground.
If the highways are blocked then the trucks won't be able to get in.
If there is a disaster then everyone in Seattle will try to flee to their rural friend/relative's house. The roads will lock up and people will panic. Criminals will immediately exploit the unarmed Seattle libs. Not going to be pretty.