Post by: Wetwoodshunter on December 20, 2018, 08:10:23 AM
I have always used MSR groundhogs are there better lighter stakes out there?
Post by: CoryTDF on December 20, 2018, 09:20:36 AM
Post by: branches on December 21, 2018, 09:20:16 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 21, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 21, 2018, 11:17:00 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on December 22, 2018, 02:20:38 AM
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/wlv4/tincup-whiskey-up-here
Post by: bradslam on December 22, 2018, 07:52:26 AM
These
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/wlv4/tincup-whiskey-up-here
:chuckle: One of the most ridiculous ads in the history of television. Cracks me up every time I see it.
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on December 22, 2018, 08:19:20 AM
Groundhogs are top dog. I went through this a few years back and I bet I spent $300 on various stakes. Groundhogs are king and worth every penny :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2018, 09:21:56 AM
Thanks, good to know someone already went through this. I have a bunch of groundhogs already so looks like you saved me a lot of testing.I tried like hell to find a better stake or a less expensive stake but did not succeed. I've only been able to break one over the years. I've beaten them into some of the rockiest ground imaginable and while they get a bit beat up they always drive home and hold their groundGroundhogs are top dog. I went through this a few years back and I bet I spent $300 on various stakes. Groundhogs are king and worth every penny :twocents:
Post by: addicted on December 22, 2018, 09:30:36 AM
DAC V-Best tent stake size short-Medium, 8-pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077J6Z7LF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EqNhCbVGYT0SW
I have bent the heads on a few of the tri-wall style stakes like the ground hogs.
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 22, 2018, 10:26:52 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2018, 11:06:45 AM
SO looks like the same thing as the Groundhog for half the pricelots of stakes look just like the groundhogs but I promise you they are not LOL
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2018, 11:09:27 AM
DAC V stakes. Haven't bent one yet. They pack up to 1/4 the size of other stakes. Lots of traction and designed to be pulled out with another stake.I snapped the tips off almost all of mine in rocky ground. Aluminum doesnt stand up to the abuse like titanium :twocents:
DAC V-Best tent stake size short-Medium, 8-pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077J6Z7LF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EqNhCbVGYT0SW
I have bent the heads on a few of the tri-wall style stakes like the ground hogs.
Post by: bradslam on December 22, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
I use several different types of aluminum and titanium stakes from Easton, MSR, DAC, Vargo, and Lawson Equipment, and vary them based on the ground conditions and individual needs of the shelter. I do use the DAC V-peg quite a bit and think they're great...tough and have decent surface area for holding power. That being said, I don't think you would be getting much better performance or weight savings than what probably came with the tent (if you bought it new). As you probably know, Groundhogs have excellent holding power, but you have to be somewhat careful to not bend the necked down area while pounding them in.
Post by: bradslam on December 22, 2018, 11:35:36 AM
DAC V stakes. Haven't bent one yet. They pack up to 1/4 the size of other stakes. Lots of traction and designed to be pulled out with another stake.I snapped the tips off almost all of mine in rocky ground. Aluminum doesnt stand up to the abuse like titanium :twocents:
DAC V-Best tent stake size short-Medium, 8-pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077J6Z7LF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EqNhCbVGYT0SW
I have bent the heads on a few of the tri-wall style stakes like the ground hogs.
I haven't had that experience with my DAC stakes. If I'm not certain of where I'll be making camp, I carry one Vargo Titanium Nail Peg to first create a hole in rocky ground, then pull it and place my V or Y stake in it's place. They are tough.
Post by: dreamunelk on December 22, 2018, 12:21:02 PM
Post by: Jason on December 22, 2018, 12:25:40 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 22, 2018, 12:54:27 PM
The v stakes offer nothing over the groundhogs in my experience except for the fact that they cost a bit less UPFRONT.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2018, 01:10:39 PM
I would submit that I've driven more tent stakes then 99% of backcountry folks. I've tested my tents in weather conditions from -20 to 110 degrees and winds up to 50. During that time I've had the opportunity to drive thousands of stakes into soft loam, wet clay, dry clay, rocky mix, crumbly basalt or granite, pine duff etc.pffff!!!!! You act like you design and build light weigh shelters or something :chuckle:
The v stakes offer nothing over the groundhogs in my experience except for the fact that they cost a bit less UPFRONT.
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 22, 2018, 03:29:08 PM
DAC V stakes. Haven't bent one yet. They pack up to 1/4 the size of other stakes. Lots of traction and designed to be pulled out with another stake.I snapped the tips off almost all of mine in rocky ground. Aluminum doesnt stand up to the abuse like titanium :twocents:
DAC V-Best tent stake size short-Medium, 8-pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077J6Z7LF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EqNhCbVGYT0SW
I have bent the heads on a few of the tri-wall style stakes like the ground hogs.
Please excuse my ignorance but you’re talking about the MSR Groundhogs right? From what I’m seeing they are aluminum as well.. not trying to argue, just wondering if I should upgrade from my stocker SO’s
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2018, 03:40:12 PM
no you are absolutely correct. Poorly worded comment on my end. Made sense in my brain :chuckle:DAC V stakes. Haven't bent one yet. They pack up to 1/4 the size of other stakes. Lots of traction and designed to be pulled out with another stake.I snapped the tips off almost all of mine in rocky ground. Aluminum doesnt stand up to the abuse like titanium :twocents:
DAC V-Best tent stake size short-Medium, 8-pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077J6Z7LF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EqNhCbVGYT0SW
I have bent the heads on a few of the tri-wall style stakes like the ground hogs.
Please excuse my ignorance but you’re talking about the MSR Groundhogs right? From what I’m seeing they are aluminum as well.. not trying to argue, just wondering if I should upgrade from my stocker SO’s
Titanium wont snap like aluminum. All aluminum is not the same. Groundhogs are gonna get you as close to titanium strength as I've used. Dac's were fine until rocky hard pan and a 10lb rock for a hammer. Then it was snap snap snap.
Regardless of what a guy gets, carry a few extra because at some point even the best stakes will fail
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2018, 03:51:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 22, 2018, 04:32:08 PM
I would submit that I've driven more tent stakes then 99% of backcountry folks. I've tested my tents in weather conditions from -20 to 110 degrees and winds up to 50. During that time I've had the opportunity to drive thousands of stakes into soft loam, wet clay, dry clay, rocky mix, crumbly basalt or granite, pine duff etc.pffff!!!!! You act like you design and build light weigh shelters or something :chuckle:
The v stakes offer nothing over the groundhogs in my experience except for the fact that they cost a bit less UPFRONT.
Such a show off.
Post by: 7mmfan on December 22, 2018, 08:25:28 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 22, 2018, 08:39:04 PM
I used aluminum gutter stakes last year worked great! Cant imagine a better product! :peep:oh yeah!?!?! Well I used unicorn horns so ha! I win!
:chuckle:
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 22, 2018, 08:59:18 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on December 22, 2018, 09:34:04 PM
Post by: addicted on December 22, 2018, 10:08:27 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on December 23, 2018, 11:56:23 AM
I used aluminum gutter stakes last year worked great! Cant imagine a better product! :peep:oh yeah!?!?! Well I used unicorn horns so ha! I win!
:chuckle:
Just had to go there didn't you
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 23, 2018, 12:21:46 PM
they are organic free range gluten free kosher unicorns though so its okI used aluminum gutter stakes last year worked great! Cant imagine a better product! :peep:oh yeah!?!?! Well I used unicorn horns so ha! I win!
:chuckle:
Just had to go there didn't you