Post by: ribka on December 21, 2018, 09:39:55 AM
Charles Post
https://m.facebook.com/603489906720334/posts/644595569276434/
Up on rockslide
https://www.rokslide.com/forums/general-discussion-forum/114329-weasel.html
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 21, 2018, 10:30:07 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 21, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
He appears to no longer be a Sitka rep. Strange :tup:he just removed that from his profile. I'd like to see an official statement from sitka on this and not the copy and paste one they sent to everyone who emailed and the one they respond to comments with on IG.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 21, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
He appears to no longer be a Sitka rep. Strange :tup:he just removed that from his profile. I'd like to see an official statement from sitka on this and not the copy and paste one they sent to everyone who emailed and the one they respond to comments with on IG.
Agreed. I've become a little more leery of some of the big names in hunting and their lack of response on this issue. I'd really like to hear Steven Rinella, Randy Newberg, Donnie Vincent, etc. state something concrete. I have felt for awhile that their affiliation with BHA and other groups has put them in a position where they don't want to talk about guns (other than "hunting" rifles).
Post by: ribka on December 21, 2018, 11:07:56 AM
He appears to no longer be a Sitka rep. Strange :tup:he just removed that from his profile. I'd like to see an official statement from sitka on this and not the copy and paste one they sent to everyone who emailed and the one they respond to comments with on IG.
Still listed as Sitka employee on his linked in
The guy in the video next the Post is the owner of Toms shoes and has contributed a lot of money to anti hunting groups
Silence from Sitka on this is disturbing
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 21, 2018, 11:11:40 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 21, 2018, 11:15:53 AM
As for all the other personalities that are on the payroll I am sure they have been instructed to keep quiet until Sitka has released an official statement. Personally don't feel that Randy or Corey or any of the others need to give this clown the time of day. The less that everyone talks about them the less there message travels. :twocents:
Post by: ipkus on December 21, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
This is a prime example of why the whole social media/look at me explosion is having a negative impact on everyday society, and why I refuse to participate.
Post by: idaho guy on December 21, 2018, 03:01:09 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on December 21, 2018, 03:32:18 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 21, 2018, 04:01:52 PM
I’ve never had a piece of Sitka gear wear out. I’ve had 2 replaced under warranty and have been very pleased with the customer service and gear.
The first one was some ascent pants that a seam ripped out, they replaced them and have held up great.
The second was a set of rain pants that I tore to crap in New Zealand, I emailed to ask if the could be repaired and they offered to replace them because a snap was broke.
It would be a shame if they supported that dudes views.
Post by: idaho guy on December 21, 2018, 04:15:11 PM
I am going to hold judgement to see how the company handles this publicly, this isn't a ma, and pa shop they have allot of people in the chain of command that this needs to go through. Couple that with the holidays I wouldn't imagine there would be a response before next week. As far as the comments on the quality of their gear, call me dubious of your claims. I use the hell out of my gear not only for hunting, but backpacking, snowshoeing etc. I have had exactly one failure on a pit seam on my old first generation Sitka celsius jacket, Sitka went out of their way to make it right. They paid the shipping for the repair, and when they said they couldn't guarantee the integrity of the repair they offered me a brand new jacket of my choice to replace it. The Sitka pieces I own are all as well made as any of the other non-hunting brand mountain gear I own, and some of those pieces were much more expensive than what I have paid for most of the Sitka gear I own.
:tup: glad to hear they are working out for at least you! my recent experience with Sitka is not good but I haven't bought a lot of Sitka I think its overpriced. I guess the threads not about the price or quality of there gear.
Post by: idaho guy on December 21, 2018, 04:18:01 PM
:yeah:
I’ve never had a piece of Sitka gear wear out. I’ve had 2 replaced under warranty and have been very pleased with the customer service and gear.
The first one was some ascent pants that a seam ripped out, they replaced them and have held up great.
The second was a set of rain pants that I tore to crap in New Zealand, I emailed to ask if the could be repaired and they offered to replace them because a snap was broke.
It would be a shame if they supported that dudes views.
They refused to replace or repair the ascent pants I sent in after one season of archery and wanted to charge me just to send the pants back to me! Offered to recycle for free. They must just hate me :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 21, 2018, 04:23:30 PM
Lol! That sucks. Can’t fault a guy for building his own opinion through experience tho :tup::yeah:
I’ve never had a piece of Sitka gear wear out. I’ve had 2 replaced under warranty and have been very pleased with the customer service and gear.
The first one was some ascent pants that a seam ripped out, they replaced them and have held up great.
The second was a set of rain pants that I tore to crap in New Zealand, I emailed to ask if the could be repaired and they offered to replace them because a snap was broke.
It would be a shame if they supported that dudes views.
They refused to replace or repair the ascent pants I sent in after one season of archery and wanted to charge me just to send the pants back to me! Offered to recycle for free. They must just hate me :chuckle:
Post by: ribka on December 21, 2018, 05:28:18 PM
Why would sitka align themselves with someone who is anti hunting and anti gun from Berkeley CA?
A five minute search on google reveals an anti hunting , anti
Gun self important anti hunting hippy clown addicted to selfies on social media. should have raised an
Alarm for Sitka
Are they trying to expand their clientele base?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 21, 2018, 07:33:11 PM
Post by: M_ray on December 23, 2018, 10:49:41 AM
I think their lefties facts are a little off, as usual. I'd like for him to list the 300 mass shootings this year starting with the number and work backwards, GO!
Not that hard to find if you google it and the number is actually up to 307 at the moment. The bigger question is what are they counting as a MASS shooting? We all know a large part of these are probably gang related Not to mention the murder suicide. Once you take those two out of the equation I bet their number is much smaller but wouldn't make as much of an impact.
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoamericaw-many-mass-shootings-in--this-year-2018-2
Post by: ribka on December 23, 2018, 11:50:46 AM
WTF was Sitka thinking associating themselves with this inexperienced hapless idiot?
I think their lefties facts are a little off, as usual. I'd like for him to list the 300 mass shootings this year starting with the number and work backwards, GO!
Not that hard to find if you google it and the number is actually up to 307 at the moment. The bigger question is what are they counting as a MASS shooting? We all know a large part of these are probably gang related Not to mention the murder suicide. Once you take those two out of the equation I bet their number is much smaller but wouldn't make as much of an impact.
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoamericaw-many-mass-shootings-in--this-year-2018-2
Post by: Jpmiller on December 27, 2018, 06:49:50 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 27, 2018, 07:03:03 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on December 27, 2018, 07:45:17 AM
I like Sitka gear but keeping anti gun anti hunting environmental consultant employed by a company that makes hunting gear is crazy
Charles Post
https://m.facebook.com/603489906720334/posts/644595569276434/
Up on rockslide
https://www.rokslide.com/forums/general-discussion-forum/114329-weasel.html
The guy has his own opinions :dunno: :dunno: I didn't see in his post where he was speaking on behalf of Sitka, maybe I missed something.
I really don't understand some people's outrage and hyper sensitivity.
Post by: mburrows on December 27, 2018, 07:47:00 AM
What's this guys position with sitka?
looking at a comment Steven Drake made on Sitka's IG page I believe they have parted ways with the guy. Not sure though.
People are pissed because the guy he made a video with was the leader of the "Shoot-em-with-a-camera" movement which was a major contributor in getting the Wyoming grizzly bear hunt shut down. He was advocating for further gun restriction with a known anti hunter while he was a contractor for Sitka Gear.
Just look up shoot em with a camera and Blake Mycoskie and youll see why the hunting community is bothered by the video Charles Post chose to upload.
Post by: baker5150 on December 27, 2018, 07:49:43 AM
I think their lefties facts are a little off, as usual. I'd like for him to list the 300 mass shootings this year starting with the number and work backwards, GO!
Not that hard to find if you google it and the number is actually up to 307 at the moment. The bigger question is what are they counting as a MASS shooting? We all know a large part of these are probably gang related Not to mention the murder suicide. Once you take those two out of the equation I bet their number is much smaller but wouldn't make as much of an impact.
https://www.businessinsider.com/hoamericaw-many-mass-shootings-in--this-year-2018-2
IIRC the CDC/FBI consider 6 or more victims as a mass shooting, where as lately the Media has taken it upon themselves to change that number to 4. This increases the number of incidents that are considered "mass shootings" dramatically.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/verify/verify-heres-why-no-one-can-agree-on-the-number-of-mass-shootings-in-2018/65-612754479
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 27, 2018, 08:15:09 AM
I like Sitka gear but keeping anti gun anti hunting environmental consultant employed by a company that makes hunting gear is crazy
Charles Post
https://m.facebook.com/603489906720334/posts/644595569276434/
Up on rockslide
https://www.rokslide.com/forums/general-discussion-forum/114329-weasel.html
The guy has his own opinions :dunno: :dunno: I didn't see in his post where he was speaking on behalf of Sitka, maybe I missed something.
I really don't understand some people's outrage and hyper sensitivity.
Here's the reality: Sitka is a lifestyle brand. The only people who buy Sitka are hunters. When the add staff to their leadership positions, including endorsements and "conservation lead" positions, they automatically are speaking for Sitka, regardless of whether or not they say that they are. If they choose to allow someone to put "Sitka" anywhere in their title, they need to know that person is pushing the ideals that they hold strong.
If Sitka kept this bozo around after this, there is zero chance that I would contribute to their bottom line.
Post by: Dhoey07 on December 27, 2018, 09:24:36 AM
I like Sitka gear but keeping anti gun anti hunting environmental consultant employed by a company that makes hunting gear is crazy
Charles Post
https://m.facebook.com/603489906720334/posts/644595569276434/
Up on rockslide
https://www.rokslide.com/forums/general-discussion-forum/114329-weasel.html
The guy has his own opinions :dunno: :dunno: I didn't see in his post where he was speaking on behalf of Sitka, maybe I missed something.
I really don't understand some people's outrage and hyper sensitivity.
Here's the reality: Sitka is a lifestyle brand. The only people who buy Sitka are hunters. When the add staff to their leadership positions, including endorsements and "conservation lead" positions, they automatically are speaking for Sitka, regardless of whether or not they say that they are. If they choose to allow someone to put "Sitka" anywhere in their title, they need to know that person is pushing the ideals that they hold strong.
If Sitka kept this bozo around after this, there is zero chance that I would contribute to their bottom line.
If you look hard enough, you could find issues and disagreements with any company or any one.
Do feel better about Sitka now that they cut ties with this guy? Do you think that this guys opinions are different now then when he was hired in August? I'm sure Sitka researched his social media before hiring, I think most private companies do that now.
"People are pissed because the guy he made a video with was the leader of the "Shoot-em-with-a-camera" movement which was a major contributor in getting the Wyoming grizzly bear hunt shut down. He was advocating for further gun restriction with a known anti hunter while he was a contractor for Sitka Gear." If he wasn't full on anti-hunter before, I wonder if he is now.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 27, 2018, 09:30:36 AM
Sitka is a leading brand in this space. If they don't take a stance, then we may as well consider hunting to be saturated by an anti-2A authority.
This guy (and his buddy at TOMS) are calling for cash donations to promote lobbying for unconstitutional laws that ban firearms. If you want to stick to the "That's his opinion, he has a right to it", that's fine. Free market capitalism generally disagrees with that sentiment.
Curtis
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 27, 2018, 09:32:47 AM
Quote
If you look hard enough, you could find issues and disagreements with any company or any one.
This is pretty much irrelevant. It's not like they were checking on his religion, stance on gay marriage, or position on the Israeli/Palestinian relations.
Guns are an integral part of the hunting community, and this is a hunting brand. If you're the CEO of Sitka and one of your leads is calling for gun control, you have a problem.
Post by: Jpmiller on December 27, 2018, 11:22:18 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 27, 2018, 11:31:54 AM
I don't know, it's not like he is a policy maker for sitka from the sounds of it. How aligned does someones non work life need to be with their work life before they are non compatible? I'd bet it wouldn't be a hard sell to find someone advocating on social media for more gun laws from any other outdoor or hunting company that has over 100 employees.
He's not an assembler of Sitka material or the Joe working in Receiving. He's on the leadership team and holds a position where he is supposed to megaphone the corporate values. The expectations are different and they absolutely have legal grounds to toss his butt on the street.
Hunting is a polarized topic and guns go right along with it. If you start a hunting business you're already taking a political stance on hot topics and your leadership team needs to toe the line with your positions.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 27, 2018, 03:55:02 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 27, 2018, 04:17:48 PM
What more do the sitka haters want out of them? They fired him. He gone. I think it's time to move on and find another one of our own to burn......
Nobody knows if he’s been fired or not.
Im not a Sitka hater. I’m actually looking at dropping a pretty penny on clothing in 2019 and it would be nice to know if my money is being cycled back into organizations who are hoping to eliminate my rights. :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 27, 2018, 04:20:29 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on December 27, 2018, 04:21:05 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 27, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
Three of my employees went to a Bernie Sanders rally. The ideas he was pushing would have hurt my small business and would have hurt Amazon whose employees are the largest customer base for our new construction industry. Should I have fired them? Is it realistic for any company to only have employees whose views align strictly with theirs?
Not even remotely close.
Now if they were using a massive social media presence that they had established to publicly alienate a large portion of your customer base while flaunting your company name, I wouldn’t blame you one bit :chuckle:
Post by: MtnMuley on December 27, 2018, 04:49:54 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on December 27, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 27, 2018, 06:19:36 PM
Maybe I don't understand Facebook enough to realize but I don't see any mention of sitka in the video or on the page that posted it.
At the time it was posted it was in his Instagram profile.
Post by: Jpmiller on December 27, 2018, 06:39:23 PM
Maybe I don't understand Facebook enough to realize but I don't see any mention of sitka in the video or on the page that posted it.
At the time it was posted it was in his Instagram profile.
You're going to have to dumb it down for me lol
Did he post it on sitkas page or as though it was a part of sitka or endorsed by them? That would make it a little easier to understand the backlash but still not sure I personally would be upset.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 27, 2018, 07:00:05 PM
If @Karl Blanchard says he’s gone, that’s good enough for me :tup:
Post by: Jpmiller on December 27, 2018, 08:43:22 PM
Post by: ribka on December 28, 2018, 09:51:53 AM
Three of my employees went to a Bernie Sanders rally. The ideas he was pushing would have hurt my small business and would have hurt Amazon whose employees are the largest customer base for our new construction industry. Should I have fired them? Is it realistic for any company to only have employees whose views align strictly with theirs?
If your workers went on Facebook or Instagram and told people that Amazon should be shutdown and not to trust or do business with Amazon and had your business name displayed in their social media would you have an issue. What if your clients then called up to say they will no longer do business with you after seeing this and it really started hurting your business. If you told them to stop and they didn’t. Would you keep them on?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 28, 2018, 11:55:53 AM
Post by: ribka on December 28, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
:dunno: Huh? Did I miss something? The guy in the video is not wearing Sitka, does not reference Sitka, and IMO is not hurting their business. He is sharing his opinion in a tasteful manner on a public platform. I don't agree with his message but I can respect the delivery. It wont keep me from supporting Sitka regardless of whether he remains employed by them or not. I am sure when hired they were looking at a resume that included a whole lot more than whether or not he supported universal background checks. But maybe that why they run a multi million dollar business and we critique it from our keyboards.
Tasteful manner? Post purposefully uses lies and fake stats to push his anti firearms agenda.
A liar too?
Post lists himself as a Sitka rep/ sponsor on his sites.
He also has come out in support of shutting down hunting seasons in addition to being anti foo
Sounds like a great rep for a hunting gear company
Maybe Sitka can hire a PETA or Defenders of Wildlife member too to increase thier customer base
:dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on December 28, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
:dunno: Huh? Did I miss something? The guy in the video is not wearing Sitka, does not reference Sitka, and IMO is not hurting their business. He is sharing his opinion in a tasteful manner on a public platform. I don't agree with his message but I can respect the delivery. It wont keep me from supporting Sitka regardless of whether he remains employed by them or not. I am sure when hired they were looking at a resume that included a whole lot more than whether or not he supported universal background checks. But maybe that why they run a multi million dollar business and we critique it from our keyboards.
BV, you came into a little late I think. The guy posted the video, with his work title proudly displayed for everyone to see who he worked for, across his page. Since the video outrage, he has removed the Sitka title from the page. ;)
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2018, 01:46:13 PM
:dunno: Huh? Did I miss something? The guy in the video is not wearing Sitka, does not reference Sitka, and IMO is not hurting their business. He is sharing his opinion in a tasteful manner on a public platform. I don't agree with his message but I can respect the delivery. It wont keep me from supporting Sitka regardless of whether he remains employed by them or not. I am sure when hired they were looking at a resume that included a whole lot more than whether or not he supported universal background checks. But maybe that why they run a multi million dollar business and we critique it from our keyboards.
BV, you came into a little late I think. The guy posted the video, with his work title proudly displayed for everyone to see who he worked for, across his page. Since the video outrage, he has removed the Sitka title from the page. ;)
Because he's been fired...
Post by: huntnphool on December 28, 2018, 01:53:51 PM
:dunno: Huh? Did I miss something? The guy in the video is not wearing Sitka, does not reference Sitka, and IMO is not hurting their business. He is sharing his opinion in a tasteful manner on a public platform. I don't agree with his message but I can respect the delivery. It wont keep me from supporting Sitka regardless of whether he remains employed by them or not. I am sure when hired they were looking at a resume that included a whole lot more than whether or not he supported universal background checks. But maybe that why they run a multi million dollar business and we critique it from our keyboards.
BV, you came into a little late I think. The guy posted the video, with his work title proudly displayed for everyone to see who he worked for, across his page. Since the video outrage, he has removed the Sitka title from the page. ;)
Because he's been fired...
BV asked if he missed something, simply explaining what he missed.
Post by: Jpmiller on December 28, 2018, 02:43:31 PM
That said it's a fine line to walk without being trampled by the opposition.
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2018, 02:49:22 PM
I don't own any sitka gear but this won't keep me from buying any either. Wouldn't have bothered me if they kept him on either. If we keep up our us vs them mentality and keep throwing more of "us" into the "them" camp we will definitely lose. We are already the minority.
That said it's a fine line to walk without being trampled by the opposition.
It seems to me that if hunters and gun owners spent as much time working together to accomplish stuff as they do blasting the competition, we'd probably get a lot more done.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 28, 2018, 03:43:10 PM
Based on the conversation I just had with Sitka employees, I don’t think he left very quietly.
But because he’s gone... I am back in the Sitka customer pool :tup:
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2018, 03:53:18 PM
Pairing up with anti-gun folks to try and beef up gun control is absurd. I agree there needs to be unity amongst hunters but at the end of the day there still has to be a line drawn in the sand as gun owners.
Based on the conversation I just had with Sitka employees, I don’t think he left very quietly.
But because he’s gone... I am back in the Sitka customer pool :tup:
Didn't say that.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 28, 2018, 04:06:17 PM
Post by: ribka on December 28, 2018, 04:12:38 PM
Last thing sportsmen need is for anti hunters and firearms activists to infiltrate their ranks
See this happening more frequently with easily accessible social media. Green groups opposed to hunting and firearms join sportsmen groups and are well funded then try and change the meaning of lawful and ethical hunting and the definition of a lawful necessary hunting firearm. Just look to California, New York and Europe. I’ve hunted in Europe and you don’t want the same refs they do.
It’s not an us against them it’s an us against our enemies as sportsmen.
You see this tactic used on here hunt wa by the well-funded anti hunting group conservation northwest
Post by: Jpmiller on December 28, 2018, 05:34:56 PM
I was talking to Buckley :chuckle:
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 28, 2018, 06:25:38 PM
:dunno: Huh? Did I miss something? The guy in the video is not wearing Sitka, does not reference Sitka, and IMO is not hurting their business. He is sharing his opinion in a tasteful manner on a public platform. I don't agree with his message but I can respect the delivery. It wont keep me from supporting Sitka regardless of whether he remains employed by them or not. I am sure when hired they were looking at a resume that included a whole lot more than whether or not he supported universal background checks. But maybe that why they run a multi million dollar business and we critique it from our keyboards.
BV, you came into a little late I think. The guy posted the video, with his work title proudly displayed for everyone to see who he worked for, across his page. Since the video outrage, he has removed the Sitka title from the page. ;)
Because he's been fired...
BV asked if he missed something, simply explaining what he missed.
Thanks for the heads up. Yes the video I saw had no Sitka reference. Thank you for the explanation :tup: