Post by: idahohuntr on December 21, 2018, 09:51:52 AM
Randy made a FB post on the subject:
I am a bit apprehensive about the 60 Minutes episode that will air on CBS this Sunday evening. Last winter I was called by Rome Hartman, producer of 60 Minutes, and asked if I could provide some background and history about the Yellowstone wolf reintroduction through the eyes of a hunter. (Still not sure where he got my name.) They were coming to Yellowstone to do a piece about wolves 20+ years after the reintroduction.
We talked for quite a while. When they came to Bozeman a few weeks later to do some research on the project, he asked me to meet him and his assistant producer, Sara, for breakfast. I gave him more details about the history of the reintroduction through the eyes of someone who spends a lot of time on this landscape and has been here the entire time that the reintroduced wolves have been here.
Rome called me a few weeks later and asked if I would be willing to be interviewed for the piece they were producing. I told him I would think about it. He wanted the perspective of a hunter for this piece.
I talked to folks I trust who have a background in news media. Some cautioned against it, explaining that when interviewed you have no control over the final product or the context in which your comments would be used. Some in the hunting world encouraged me to do it.
I thought about it long and hard. Eventually I decided to do it, knowing full well it carries a lot of risk. I drove to Mammoth and spent a couple hours in an interview with Bill Whitaker. Bill was a very good interviewer, obviously very experienced in his craft.
Rome emailed me this week to let me know the episode will air this Sunday, December 23rd. I have not seen a draft of the segment, as they do not allow that. I have no idea what context will be given or what/how comments will be used. Rome assures me that I have nothing to worry about. I hope he is right, as it is a big risk for someone in my position to put words on camera without any control over how the editors cut and paste the pieces together.
So, if this effort to speak on behalf of hunters results in my platforms being demolished by Monday morning, it has been a good run.
Post by: ribka on December 21, 2018, 09:57:04 AM
I was very involved in an investigation in 96 that aired on 60 minutes and it did not remotely reflect what transpired or air all of the facts. Very disappointing
Good luck Randy we all need it
Post by: vandeman17 on December 21, 2018, 10:11:48 AM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on December 21, 2018, 10:12:24 AM
Post by: Sandberm on December 21, 2018, 10:29:18 AM
I just recently started watching Randys show on Amazon and I really enjoy it. He seems like a good guy. I cant see how 60 minutes could make him look bad based on he seems like a level headed guy, not someone who shoots from the hip with inflammatory comments and bluster.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 21, 2018, 10:30:45 AM
Thanks for the heads up on the air date.
I just recently started watching Randys show on Amazon and I really enjoy it. He seems like a good guy. I cant see how 60 minutes could make him look bad based on he seems like a level headed guy, not someone who shoots from the hip with inflammatory comments and bluster.
I agree. He is a CPA and well educated so I have a feeling he will pick and choose his words wisely when answering questions.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 21, 2018, 10:36:10 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 21, 2018, 11:36:36 AM
Post by: Wunderlich33 on December 21, 2018, 01:43:42 PM
Post by: Nwgunner on December 21, 2018, 09:37:43 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on December 22, 2018, 06:38:21 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 22, 2018, 08:23:46 AM
Looks like it'll be on at 7:00 PM on KIRO this Sunday, 23 DEC. I'll be watching it. Thanks for the heads up idahohntr.Thanks for listing the time. Setting up reminders to watch now.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 22, 2018, 08:58:13 AM
Post by: Birdguy on December 23, 2018, 10:11:48 PM
Typical piece of reporting IMO, nothing special in any way :twocents:.
Post by: cem3434 on December 23, 2018, 10:28:37 PM
Post by: BLR 243 on December 23, 2018, 10:39:18 PM
Post by: mburrows on December 24, 2018, 08:01:02 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 24, 2018, 08:02:19 AM
I quit watching it about 20 years ago. Do people still watch it?
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on December 24, 2018, 08:04:21 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on December 24, 2018, 08:06:53 AM
After I saw the trailer on tv Sunday afternoon I decided not to; it looked like obvious propaganda.
Post by: actionshooter on December 24, 2018, 08:45:01 AM
Since she is a pro-wolfer who works for Yellowstone NP...… I am sure we are going to have a great discussion.
Sounds like it was the typical 60 Minutes propaganda piece...
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2018, 09:03:23 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2018, 09:20:49 AM
:chuckle:
Post by: wolfbait on December 24, 2018, 09:41:12 AM
I can't believe anyone wwould really expect for 60 Minutes to produce anything close to factual and balanced.
I quit watching it about 20 years ago. Do people still watch it?
X2
I took a chance and was reminded again why 60 minutes, sucks.
They couldn't have gotten anyone worse to interview about wolves, except maybe fitkin.
Any time you have the likes of Doug Smith yapping it up, you know you are only going to get lies and I love wolves slop.
Too bad 60 Minutes didn't report on how the USFWS and IDFG illegally dumped wolves in the Yellowstone and Idaho etc..
Dump wolves on the American people and then protect them above all else-Government Tyranny at it's finest?
Post by: boneaddict on December 24, 2018, 09:43:11 AM
Post by: bearpaw on December 24, 2018, 09:46:30 AM
Meanwhile I glassed a range where Id normally come up with 30 plus bucks on a slow day and over 300 deer. I found 6. 6 deer that is, no bucks. Some ravens were working a kill. I figured our furry friends were about somewhere. 24 hours later I got an email from my Dad saying I missed them. Three wolves were spotted running by where the kill had been. He said a much larger one running with two that looked younger. I hate change. Maybe I should do a wolf calendar next year. I'm sure Id sell more. LOL
You might have to modify some of your advertising venues! :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on December 24, 2018, 09:57:51 AM
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You might have to modify some of your advertising venues!
:chuckle:
However if asked for the exact coordinates, unlike my deer I might be so inclined to even include a map with a red X marks the spot.
Ill include a disclaimer..."Use the information as you see fit." :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on December 24, 2018, 10:00:05 AM
QuoteYou might have to modify some of your advertising venues!
:chuckle:
However if asked for the exact coordinates, unlike my deer I might be so inclined to even include a map with a red X marks the spot.
Ill include a disclaimer..."Use the information as you see fit." :chuckle:
That sounds like a good marketing plan! :tup:
Post by: wolfbait on December 24, 2018, 10:02:09 AM
Meanwhile I glassed a range where Id normally come up with 30 plus bucks on a slow day and over 300 deer. I found 6. 6 deer that is, no bucks. Some ravens were working a kill. I figured our furry friends were about somewhere. 24 hours later I got an email from my Dad saying I missed them. Three wolves were spotted running by where the kill had been. He said a much larger one running with two that looked younger. I hate change. Maybe I should do a wolf calendar next year. I'm sure Id sell more. LOL
It looks pretty bleak for the deer in the Methow, we have watched it happen year after year while Fitkin ran to the papers with his BS deer reports.
Eleven wolves were seen in Elbow Coulee about a week ago, and five have been reported over on lower Balky, another report of seven down by Black Canyon.
Wolves are finishing up the deer etc..
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on December 24, 2018, 10:14:31 AM
Meanwhile I glassed a range where Id normally come up with 30 plus bucks on a slow day and over 300 deer. I found 6. 6 deer that is, no bucks. Some ravens were working a kill. I figured our furry friends were about somewhere. 24 hours later I got an email from my Dad saying I missed them. Three wolves were spotted running by where the kill had been. He said a much larger one running with two that looked younger. I hate change. Maybe I should do a wolf calendar next year. I'm sure Id sell more. LOL
It looks pretty bleak for the deer in the Methow, we have watched it happen year after year while Fitkin ran to the papers with his BS deer reports.
Eleven wolves were seen in Elbow Coulee about a week ago, and five have been reported over on lower Balky, another report of seven down by Black Canyon.
Wolves are finishing up the deer etc..
He is catering to a crowd that loves them. Basically the point to my post. The Methow is full of folks that would rather see a wolf than a deer, and certainly most of them could careless about a set of antlers. The Disney effect is all fun and games until one of them shreds Fiddo in the front lawn, or worse yet, little Suzi.
Post by: Wacenturion on December 24, 2018, 10:20:49 AM
Post by: bornhunter on December 24, 2018, 10:24:04 AM
Post by: wheels on December 24, 2018, 11:38:35 AM
Post by: timberfaller on December 24, 2018, 12:04:50 PM
"The Methow is full of folks that would rather see a wolf than a deer, and certainly most of them could careless about a set of antlers. The Disney effect is all fun and games until one of them shreds Fiddo in the front lawn, or worse yet, little Suzi."
Having lived there most of my adult life, it is sad to see what the Valley has become. There are a "few" good people left there but the transplants and Liberal retirees have really screwed it up WITH the help of the Feds and their eco-buddy's(Sierra Club, MVCC). :tree1:
Post by: BLR 243 on December 24, 2018, 12:09:16 PM
Post by: mfswallace on December 24, 2018, 12:17:21 PM
They only eat the sick injured, weak, calves while their footage is of a pack bringing down a 6 point bull. He must have been sick. Leftist hit piece.
X2
:stup: :mor: :party1: :nono: :DOH: :tree1: :puke: :tdown:
Not even a newer lib biologist could call that anything but an utterly left leaning utopian wolf lovers wet dream of an infomercial.
They don't even realize how nonsensical their argument of wolves only preying on sick, young and old elk while footage of the opposite is playing. And to basically say "all you need to do to protect your sheep and cattle is employ range riders and buy sheep dogs" by only interviewing 1 rancher who hasn't had any problems is again total B.S.
Post by: hughjorgan on December 24, 2018, 12:59:38 PM
They only eat the sick injured, weak, calves while their footage is of a pack bringing down a 6 point bull. He must have been sick. Leftist hit piece.
X2
:stup: :mor: :party1: :nono: :DOH: :tree1: :puke: :tdown:
Not even a newer lib biologist could call that anything but an utterly left leaning utopian wolf lovers wet dream of an infomercial.
They don't even realize how nonsensical their argument of wolves only preying on sick, young and old elk while footage of the opposite is playing. And to basically say "all you need to do to protect your sheep and cattle is employ range riders and buy sheep dogs" by only interviewing 1 rancher who hasn't had any problems is again total B.S.
But all the wolf lovers are infusing the local communities with millions of dollars a year so they can get a glimpse of a wolf. I am sure it will happen in the method too, right...
Post by: mfswallace on December 24, 2018, 01:12:19 PM
They only eat the sick injured, weak, calves while their footage is of a pack bringing down a 6 point bull. He must have been sick. Leftist hit piece.
X2
:stup: :mor: :party1: :nono: :DOH: :tree1: :puke: :tdown:
Not even a newer lib biologist could call that anything but an utterly left leaning utopian wolf lovers wet dream of an infomercial.
They don't even realize how nonsensical their argument of wolves only preying on sick, young and old elk while footage of the opposite is playing. And to basically say "all you need to do to protect your sheep and cattle is employ range riders and buy sheep dogs" by only interviewing 1 rancher who hasn't had any problems is again total B.S.
But all the wolf lovers are infusing the local communities with millions of dollars a year so they can get a glimpse of a wolf. I am sure it will happen in the method too, right...
They might make a few bucks but are losing many more millions than that with lack of hunting revenues ...
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on December 24, 2018, 01:53:58 PM
Post by: ribka on December 24, 2018, 04:04:56 PM
Curious as a wildlife biologist were you upset with poor journalism and lack of research done in this broadcast?
I know in my line of work when I see one sided poor low IQ journalistic criticism replete with half truths and out right lies regarding my line of work I get pissed off.
Saw a post by Randy Newberg that 60 minutes is airing a piece on Yellowstone wolf re-introduction and they interviewed him to provide the hunter's perspective. It's supposed to air Dec 23. Will be curious to see it...and I'm very thankful they selected Randy Newberg to represent the hunters perspective.
Randy made a FB post on the subject:
I am a bit apprehensive about the 60 Minutes episode that will air on CBS this Sunday evening. Last winter I was called by Rome Hartman, producer of 60 Minutes, and asked if I could provide some background and history about the Yellowstone wolf reintroduction through the eyes of a hunter. (Still not sure where he got my name.) They were coming to Yellowstone to do a piece about wolves 20+ years after the reintroduction.
We talked for quite a while. When they came to Bozeman a few weeks later to do some research on the project, he asked me to meet him and his assistant producer, Sara, for breakfast. I gave him more details about the history of the reintroduction through the eyes of someone who spends a lot of time on this landscape and has been here the entire time that the reintroduced wolves have been here.
Rome called me a few weeks later and asked if I would be willing to be interviewed for the piece they were producing. I told him I would think about it. He wanted the perspective of a hunter for this piece.
I talked to folks I trust who have a background in news media. Some cautioned against it, explaining that when interviewed you have no control over the final product or the context in which your comments would be used. Some in the hunting world encouraged me to do it.
I thought about it long and hard. Eventually I decided to do it, knowing full well it carries a lot of risk. I drove to Mammoth and spent a couple hours in an interview with Bill Whitaker. Bill was a very good interviewer, obviously very experienced in his craft.
Rome emailed me this week to let me know the episode will air this Sunday, December 23rd. I have not seen a draft of the segment, as they do not allow that. I have no idea what context will be given or what/how comments will be used. Rome assures me that I have nothing to worry about. I hope he is right, as it is a big risk for someone in my position to put words on camera without any control over how the editors cut and paste the pieces together.
So, if this effort to speak on behalf of hunters results in my platforms being demolished by Monday morning, it has been a good run.
Post by: KFhunter on December 24, 2018, 04:16:19 PM
Thanks for the link Jackelope.
Post by: KFhunter on December 24, 2018, 04:43:47 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 24, 2018, 04:46:52 PM
They only eat the sick injured, weak, calves while their footage is of a pack bringing down a 6 point bull. He must have been sick. Leftist hit piece.
X2
:stup: :mor: :party1: :nono: :DOH: :tree1: :puke: :tdown:
Not even a newer lib biologist could call that anything but an utterly left leaning utopian wolf lovers wet dream of an infomercial.
They don't even realize how nonsensical their argument of wolves only preying on sick, young and old elk while footage of the opposite is playing. And to basically say "all you need to do to protect your sheep and cattle is employ range riders and buy sheep dogs" by only interviewing 1 rancher who hasn't had any problems is again total B.S.
But all the wolf lovers are infusing the local communities with millions of dollars a year so they can get a glimpse of a wolf. I am sure it will happen in the method too, right...
They might make a few bucks but are losing many more millions than that with lack of hunting revenues ...
It was just another lie from the USFWS etc., actually viewing went down after the illegal wolf introduction, but like the rest of the lies told by the corrupt USFWS etc., the same BS is repeated year after year.
"The 1994 EIS predicted that presence of wolves would result in a 5-10 percent increase in annual visitation to Yellowstone National Park. On this basis, the EIS forecast wolves in the region would generate $20 million in revenue to the states of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. WG&F reports that annual park visitation remained essentially unchanged after wolf introduction, and has decreased 2.6 percent since the wolf population reached recovery goals in 2000.
“ Since park visitation did not increase as originally forecast, the Service cannot legitimately conclude presence of wolves has had any appreciable effect on net tourism revenues,” WG&F stated."
http://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm
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Post by: KFhunter on December 24, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
Bison were the intended target and purpose of bringing in larger wolves from Canada instead of simply using wolves from back east, the eastern timber wolf which was a much closer genetic match to our timber wolf which was never extinct in the first place.
https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/management/bison-management.htm
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A nursery group of bison cows and calves makes its way through Lamar Valley. Due to high rates of survival and reproduction, the bison population increases by 10 to 17% every year: ten times faster than the human population grows worldwide.
Wolves take a precious few Bison, the Elk being far easier to deal with. So the Parks has these big drives culling Bison out of the park boundary'rs lured by hay and feed they round them up and give them to the natives.
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Bison need to be managed.
Until there is more tolerance for bison outside Yellowstone, the population can only be controlled by hunting outside the park and capture near the park boundary. Captured bison are transferred to Native American tribes for slaughter and distribution of meat and hides to their members. We understand that many people are uncomfortable with the practice of capture and slaughter. We are too, but there are no other options at this time. Along with our IBMP partners, we’re pursuing alternatives like quarantine and expanded tolerance outside the park that would reduce the need for capture and shipment to slaughter.
So now the elk are killed by wolves, the Bison by people and voila the streams have brush on the banks again! Magic! Not really, it's the Bison that erode stream banks not Elk but it's an easy lie to tell the public that wolves have saved the beaver....
Post by: Bob33 on December 24, 2018, 05:23:50 PM
Expecting a factual report from them would be the same as expecting NBC to run a special show "The first two years; a tribute to Donald Trump."
Post by: KFhunter on December 24, 2018, 05:27:49 PM
Post by: PA BEN on December 26, 2018, 05:43:43 AM
Post by: bigmacc on December 26, 2018, 11:22:16 AM
boneaddict quote;
"The Methow is full of folks that would rather see a wolf than a deer, and certainly most of them could careless about a set of antlers. The Disney effect is all fun and games until one of them shreds Fiddo in the front lawn, or worse yet, little Suzi."
Having lived there most of my adult life, it is sad to see what the Valley has become. There are a "few" good people left there but the transplants and Liberal retirees have really screwed it up WITH the help of the Feds and their eco-buddy's(Sierra Club, MVCC). :tree1:
x3 on what bone and timberfaller said, back in the day it was hunters, fisherman and sportsman that a lot of the local businesses depended on for that "shot in the arm" during slow times or that last cash intake before the long winter would settle in. I have noticed the change over the last 20-30 years, really starting with the opening of the North Cascades Pass. The valley was really comprised of Ranchers, Orchard owners and Forest industry folks and the small businesses that supported them and their familys and those times of the year when the hunters and fisherman came they were treated very well and welcomed, like timberfaller said, "There are a few good people left there" but its slowly changing folks, the old guard of the valley is disappearing and more and more anti-hunting folks are settling in. This last summer I don't think I have ever seen so many out of state Lic.plates, ever! I seen plates from Maryland, Vermont, Connecticut and even New York to name a few but the most out of state plates I seen didn't come from our close neighbors like Idaho, Oregon or Montana they were from California, and a lot of them were out looking at properties with Realstate folks in tow, heck we seen a ton of Cali.plates over there during hunting season and even the few weeks prior and after. It won't be long when whats left of the hunters who still choose to chase around what few deer are left over there are treated like dirt. They will be looked down upon and be looked at as Neanderthal period animal killers. The way this valley is filling up with liberals and antis mark my words, it won't be long, and like a few have said, they love their wolves and as more and more are moving in as the old guard either moves out or passes on, trust me, this valley will become only a memory of the hunting Mecca it once was 20 and more years ago, its well on its way and has been for years now and whats sad for some of us with rich history there, is we know it can't be stopped. I for one still have my stories and pictures from friends and family going back to 1917 and I have my own personal memories and stories going back to the 1950,s. I like a few others on here remember and experienced the hay-days of not only hunting the Methow but also when it was just a real neat place to be, live and grow up.... :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on December 26, 2018, 01:20:34 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 26, 2018, 01:21:53 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 26, 2018, 01:25:04 PM
Maybe a little more accurate piece than what 60 minutes spewed :yeah:
:yeah:
I watched that video garbage today. :bash:
They rarely attack livestock.🤯
And when mentioning states left out Wa, Or, Ca.🤮
Post by: wolfbait on December 26, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
boneaddict quote;
"The Methow is full of folks that would rather see a wolf than a deer, and certainly most of them could careless about a set of antlers. The Disney effect is all fun and games until one of them shreds Fiddo in the front lawn, or worse yet, little Suzi."
Having lived there most of my adult life, it is sad to see what the Valley has become. There are a "few" good people left there but the transplants and Liberal retirees have really screwed it up WITH the help of the Feds and their eco-buddy's(Sierra Club, MVCC). :tree1:
x3 on what bone and timberfaller said, back in the day it was hunters, fisherman and sportsman that a lot of the local businesses depended on for that "shot in the arm" during slow times or that last cash intake before the long winter would settle in. I have noticed the change over the last 20-30 years, really starting with the opening of the North Cascades Pass. The valley was really comprised of Ranchers, Orchard owners and Forest industry folks and the small businesses that supported them and their familys and those times of the year when the hunters and fisherman came they were treated very well and welcomed, like timberfaller said, "There are a few good people left there" but its slowly changing folks, the old guard of the valley is disappearing and more and more anti-hunting folks are settling in. This last summer I don't think I have ever seen so many out of state Lic.plates, ever! I seen plates from Maryland, Vermont, Connecticut and even New York to name a few but the most out of state plates I seen didn't come from our close neighbors like Idaho, Oregon or Montana they were from California, and a lot of them were out looking at properties with Realstate folks in tow, heck we seen a ton of Cali.plates over there during hunting season and even the few weeks prior and after. It won't be long when whats left of the hunters who still choose to chase around what few deer are left over there are treated like dirt. They will be looked down upon and be looked at as Neanderthal period animal killers. The way this valley is filling up with liberals and antis mark my words, it won't be long, and like a few have said, they love their wolves and as more and more are moving in as the old guard either moves out or passes on, trust me, this valley will become only a memory of the hunting Mecca it once was 20 and more years ago, its well on its way and has been for years now and whats sad for some of us with rich history there, is we know it can't be stopped. I for one still have my stories and pictures from friends and family going back to 1917 and I have my own personal memories and stories going back to the 1950,s. I like a few others on here remember and experienced the hay-days of not only hunting the Methow but also when it was just a real neat place to be, live and grow up.... :twocents:
Well Said Bigmacc!
https://oldmanoftheski.com/2018/12/25/60-minutes-of-spin-the-return-of-wolves-to-yellowstone-park/ (https://oldmanoftheski.com/2018/12/25/60-minutes-of-spin-the-return-of-wolves-to-yellowstone-park/)
Pulling the blindfold off, thanks for posting Bone..
Post by: actionshooter on December 26, 2018, 07:01:26 PM
https://oldmanoftheski.com/2018/07/20/wolves-dont-kill-cattle-they-are-too-busy-changing-rivers/That is a very good read....
Post by: TVHunts on December 26, 2018, 07:33:38 PM
https://oldmanoftheski.com/2018/07/20/wolves-dont-kill-cattle-they-are-too-busy-changing-rivers/That is a very good read....
Yes it is, thanks for posting it!
Post by: mfswallace on December 26, 2018, 09:14:54 PM
https://oldmanoftheski.com/2018/12/25/60-minutes-of-spin-the-return-of-wolves-to-yellowstone-park/ (https://oldmanoftheski.com/2018/12/25/60-minutes-of-spin-the-return-of-wolves-to-yellowstone-park/)
Great and great "thoughts"
Post by: nwwanderer on December 27, 2018, 06:31:28 AM