Post by: NWShooter on January 08, 2019, 07:44:46 PM
Like finger nails dragging down a chalkboard. ENOUGH!!!
Well, doesn't matter anyway. Love it or hate it. The 6.5 CM is here to stay so enjoy, while it will continue to kick hind end in the field and in competition for many years to come.
The icing on the cake. Now some of our finest get to smoke some NASTIES with it.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/05/08/socom-snipers-will-ditch-their-bullets-for-this-new-round-next-year/
Post by: Dan-o on January 08, 2019, 07:50:38 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 08, 2019, 08:51:39 PM
Will they have to grow man buns?
No, they just have to get a man bun tattoo that can be covered up. That way they can still hide their affiliation with the Creedmoor.
I don't hate the Creedmoor, just everything that it represents. I can't stand logical chamberings, efficiency, practicality or all-round "adequate" performance. It makes it harder for me to convince people to build stupid wildcats and waste their money on more interesting stuff.
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 08, 2019, 08:57:35 PM
Will they have to grow man buns?
No, they just have to get a man bun tattoo that can be covered up. That way they can still hide their affiliation with the Creedmoor.
I don't hate the Creedmoor, just everything that it represents. I can't stand logical chamberings, efficiency, practicality or all-round "adequate" performance. It makes it harder for me to convince people to build stupid wildcats and waste their money on more interesting stuff.
It’s the Toyota Prius of cartridges. Or maybe the mini van..
Post by: hunting4sanity on January 08, 2019, 09:06:32 PM
Post by: Jellymon on January 08, 2019, 09:10:04 PM
Post by: NWShooter on January 08, 2019, 09:19:59 PM
6.5 CM, 6mm CM, 25 CM, 22 CM. They already do 6.5, 6mm, .22 Creedmoor properly head stamped brass. Won't be long before the 25 CM brass is out. As if it matters sizing it down is as simple as it gets.
Cool thing is they do small primer CM brass. :tup:
https://store.alphamunitions.com
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 08, 2019, 09:34:22 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 08, 2019, 09:48:21 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 08, 2019, 10:24:50 PM
Post by: addicted on January 09, 2019, 12:19:00 AM
Post by: bullfisher on January 09, 2019, 04:32:10 AM
Post by: grundy53 on January 09, 2019, 04:50:41 AM
Pet rocks were the top selling toy in 1975 too. :chuckle:But did Socom replace there .308 sniper rifles with pet rocks back in 1975? Lol
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Post by: James on January 09, 2019, 08:53:58 AM
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Post by: konradcountry on January 09, 2019, 09:02:57 AM
Downside is that it has to be an AR-10.
But yea not much of a difference if you are looking at bolts and already have something like a 270.
Post by: theleo on January 09, 2019, 09:09:30 AM
I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Post by: JBar on January 09, 2019, 09:33:02 AM
I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
For me it was more about rifle choice than caliber choice. The rifle I wanted was not made in 7-08 or .243, I wanted a lightweight deer sized game cartridge with light recoil and capable at moderate/long range 500 and under. 6.5 fit that bill in my rifle selection and I'm more than happy with it's performance. Would I take it out elk hunting? Nope!! But that's just my personal choice, I've known guys that regularly shot elk with a .243 without issue but even with that knowledge still not for me. I've had my 6.5 for 2 seasons and it has successfully harvested 6 deer and one Big Horn sheep so it's locked itself in as my go to deer rifle! If I had hair I guess it would be in a manbun. I'll shoot my 6.5 all day at the range in a manbun and watch all you bearded mountain men with you super magnum howitzers leave the range after 20 minutes with a sore shoulder. :chuckle:
Post by: tlbradford on January 09, 2019, 10:14:15 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 09, 2019, 10:16:30 AM
Well Duh! This is a more efficient .25-06 which is the greatest chambering for deer ever! :twocents: :peep:Basically just like a 30-06 only a little different. :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on January 09, 2019, 10:26:52 AM
Well Duh! This is a more efficient .25-06 which is the greatest chambering for deer ever! :twocents: :peep:Basically just like a 30-06 only a little different. :chuckle:
:chuckle:
Post by: Cougartail on January 09, 2019, 10:39:01 AM
A solid hit will kill anything in the lower 48 except maybe a grizzly.
For most it would be the only big game rifle "NEEDED" in Washington.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 09, 2019, 10:43:57 AM
Well Duh! This is a more efficient .25-06 which is the greatest chambering for deer ever! :twocents: :peep:
:yeah: only difference is cartridge length, caliber, action length etc
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2019, 10:44:25 AM
Well Duh! This is a more efficient .25-06 which is the greatest chambering for deer ever! :twocents: :peep:Basically just like a 30-06 only a little different. :chuckle:
5 different to be exact.
:dunno:
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2019, 10:47:03 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 09, 2019, 10:52:31 AM
:chuckle:Well Duh! This is a more efficient .25-06 which is the greatest chambering for deer ever! :twocents: :peep:Basically just like a 30-06 only a little different. :chuckle:
5 different to be exact.
:dunno:
Post by: KFhunter on January 09, 2019, 11:05:44 AM
So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
nothing
I care not about what people think of my rifles, to me they are a tool and nothing more. If I were a carpenter and had bought some wizbang hammer that took special nails, then was on a job where those nails weren't available, I'd be pissed!
who doesn't forget stuff at home? What if you had left your wildcat cartridges sitting at home on your reloading bench and you were 1500 miles away on a hunt?
With my 30-06 I can go to any 24h walmart and find the exact same stuff I shoot at home.
and now the 6.5c is almost there too
Post by: Bluemoon on January 09, 2019, 11:52:55 AM
I will never wear a man bun but I am now convinced that all you big bore people that are trashing the caliber are just trying to make up for your short manhood.
:IBCOOL:
And don't get your panties in a wad, this is all in fun just turning the tide around.
Post by: C-Money on January 09, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 09, 2019, 12:19:45 PM
So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
Post by: James on January 09, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 09, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
The 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2019, 12:36:07 PM
Creedmoor...Yes definitely fingers down a chock board. Been casually looking for a 7mm-08 for my son. Dang near every store tries to sell me a 6.5 Creedmoor. :puke: I am not a bearded super magnum guy, and Im not a Creedmore guy. If I cant fill my freezer with a 30-06 or one of its children, I'm a pretty poor hunter. Glad folks enjoy the Creedmoor, its just not for me.
But why not?
I'm curious to know why people think it doesn't work. I don't give a hoot about man buns and hipster jokes. If something works, it works.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 09, 2019, 12:39:56 PM
So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSM
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2019, 12:40:56 PM
So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSM
The 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
:dunno:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 09, 2019, 12:42:46 PM
:dunno:So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSMThe 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
:dunno:
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2019, 12:44:31 PM
:dunno:So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSMThe 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
:dunno:
I'm just gonna stick with my .25-06 and not worry about the 5 points.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 09, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
if you compare your 2506 to the creedmoor then your only down by 1 so even less to worry about. :chuckle::dunno:So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSMThe 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
:dunno:
I'm just gonna stick with my .25-06 and not worry about the 5 points.
Post by: usmc74 on January 09, 2019, 01:01:19 PM
That was within the first 20 shots out the barrel. I was impressed.
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2019, 01:04:12 PM
if you compare your 2506 to the creedmoor then your only down by 1 so even less to worry about. :chuckle::dunno:So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSMThe 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
:dunno:
I'm just gonna stick with my .25-06 and not worry about the 5 points.
Maybe I'll just make it a 6.5-06 and call it a tie!!
Post by: huntnphool on January 09, 2019, 01:05:42 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 09, 2019, 01:09:26 PM
a 6.5-06 is surely not a tie! That, sir, would be direct offspring of the 30-06 so much more better than a non 06 case. You still gots lotsa learning to do clearly....if you compare your 2506 to the creedmoor then your only down by 1 so even less to worry about. :chuckle::dunno:So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSMThe 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
:dunno:
I'm just gonna stick with my .25-06 and not worry about the 5 points.
Maybe I'll just make it a 6.5-06 and call it a tie!!
How many more times can we quote this? :dunno:
Post by: grundy53 on January 09, 2019, 01:14:35 PM
Very similar and the 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo is more readily available and has a bigger selection.So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
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Post by: grundy53 on January 09, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
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Post by: Bob33 on January 09, 2019, 01:22:49 PM
FWIWVery similar and the 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo is more readily available and has a bigger selection.So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
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http://soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/ussocom-adopts-6-5-cm/ (http://soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/ussocom-adopts-6-5-cm/)
Last month, the command conducted a reliability test, using two incumbent weapons, currently in US service; the FN SCAR Heavy and KAC M110. Two weapons of each type were used, one was in 260 Remington and the other in 6.5 CM. What they found is that both weapons performed just as well and were just as reliable in either caliber.
As both cartridges were similarly accurate and reliable, the determining factor for selection of 6.5 CM would end up being trade space. The prevailing attitude is that there was more room with the 6.5 CM to further develop projectiles and loads.
Post by: huntnphool on January 09, 2019, 01:28:30 PM
FWIWVery similar and the 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo is more readily available and has a bigger selection.So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
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http://soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/ussocom-adopts-6-5-cm/ (http://soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/ussocom-adopts-6-5-cm/)
Last month, the command conducted a reliability test, using two incumbent weapons, currently in US service; the FN SCAR Heavy and KAC M110. Two weapons of each type were used, one was in 260 Remington and the other in 6.5 CM. What they found is that both weapons performed just as well and were just as reliable in either caliber.
As both cartridges were similarly accurate and reliable, the determining factor for selection of 6.5 CM would end up being trade space. The prevailing attitude is that there was more room with the 6.5 CM to further develop projectiles and loads.
Very cool Bob, thanks. :tup:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 09, 2019, 02:08:26 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 09, 2019, 02:17:09 PM
To answer Josh's question though. If you remove the factory ammo from the equation theres a whole pile of 6.5 chamberings that will do it better than the creedmoor. When you add in the requirement of shooting factory ammo however, the creedmoor shines. I still wouldnt take it over a .270 but its certainly adequate to do most anything youd need it to.
With that said, if I had to buy a rifle chambered in a 6.5 anything today, and I could only shoot factory I'd get a 6.5 prc
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 09, 2019, 02:23:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 09, 2019, 02:47:25 PM
This sounds like a few years ago when the "Short Mag" craze showed up it was also the new Silver Bullet. I don't see or hear much on them anymore.
6.5 PRC
Post by: tlbradford on January 09, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
a 6.5-06 is surely not a tie! That, sir, would be direct offspring of the 30-06 so much more better than a non 06 case. You still gots lotsa learning to do clearly....if you compare your 2506 to the creedmoor then your only down by 1 so even less to worry about. :chuckle::dunno:So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSMThe 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
:dunno:
I'm just gonna stick with my .25-06 and not worry about the 5 points.
Maybe I'll just make it a 6.5-06 and call it a tie!!
How many more times can we quote this? :dunno:
I would buy that!
All joking aside. When I purchased a rifle for my daughter I waited to find a .243 or 7mm-08 due to the felt recoil in readily available factory ammo. Having never used reduced recoil ammo, or even shopped for it, I didn't look at those options. In my opinion the anything from .257 to .264 that is not a magnum, all feels the same off the shooting bench, and has harder recoil than the .243 or 7mm-08.
Post by: konradcountry on January 09, 2019, 03:26:09 PM
I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 09, 2019, 03:30:33 PM
pot meet kettle kind of thing. Creedmoor shooters will be the first to tell you they shoot a creedmoor and how great it is :chuckle:I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
Post by: tlbradford on January 09, 2019, 03:32:31 PM
a 6.5-06 is surely not a tie! That, sir, would be direct offspring of the 30-06 so much more better than a non 06 case. You still gots lotsa learning to do clearly....if you compare your 2506 to the creedmoor then your only down by 1 so even less to worry about. :chuckle::dunno:So all kidding aside for a minute please... being someone who is genuinely interested in a 6.5 creedmoor...what's better in a short action that doesn't recoil like mad, isn't exotic or a wildcat, factory ammo is readily available and if a guy wants to shoot long range, it plain seems to work?
.260 Remington
:yeah: 6.5-284 Norma, .308 Win, .243 Win, 300 WSMThe 6.5 creedmoor and 260 Remington shoot the same bullets. :dunno:I have been looking on and off to get a new smaller caliber rifle (.24-.26ish) specifically for deer hunting for a bit now, and every time I look at the 6.5 Creedmoor I end up ranking it at the bottom of my list. I don’t really see the allure. What am I missing?You can seat the high BC 6.5 bullets to ATI 308 magazine length without the bullet extending down into the powder column. Pretty much only useful to the PRS crowd but they're the most tacticool group these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled. I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but what does it do so great? Looking at all the spec’s I don’t see anything to write home about.
Anyone want to enlighten me?
Ok, but the ballistics charts I have looked at seem to show that the creedmores high BC bullet doesn't make up for it's low speed when I compare to a rem 260 for example.
And very close to the same speeds.
:dunno:
I'm just gonna stick with my .25-06 and not worry about the 5 points.
Maybe I'll just make it a 6.5-06 and call it a tie!!
How many more times can we quote this? :dunno:
I would buy that!
All joking aside. When I purchased a rifle for my daughter I waited to find a .243 or 7mm-08 due to the felt recoil in readily available factory ammo. Having never used reduced recoil ammo, or even shopped for it, I didn't look at those options. In my opinion the anything from .257 to .264 that is not a magnum, all feels the same off the shooting bench, and has harder recoil than the .243 or 7mm-08.
Looks like it already exist and is basically a .270. Also an amazing round.
https://www.chuckhawks.com/6-5mm-06.htm (https://www.chuckhawks.com/6-5mm-06.htm)
Post by: grundy53 on January 09, 2019, 03:56:22 PM
Not all of us. Lol. I don't go out of my way to make sure everyone knows I shoot it. I have 3 deer rifles I use regularly. A 25-06, a 257 weatherby mag and my 6.5 Creedmoor. The deer die just the same with all 3. This year I killed my Washington buck with my Creedmoor but killed my Idaho buck with my 257 weatherby. Of course I used a .300 mag for my elk and moose. My point is I don't think it's some magic round that is better than anything else but it is a good round that is more than adequate for deer sized game and has a good variety of factory ammo. So I don't get the hate.pot meet kettle kind of thing. Creedmoor shooters will be the first to tell you they shoot a creedmoor and how great it is :chuckle:I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 09, 2019, 04:10:16 PM
I dont hate any gun. All gun lives matter. I think people get annoyed because the creed has been turned into some magical unicorn caliber. I'm sure most have read accounts of it rivaling the 300 WM and such :chuckle: fact is for most practical mid range hunting, most calibers are pretty close to the same. Theres a lot of guns launching 140 grainish projectiles between 2600 and 2900. Its when you start talking higher volume precision shooting that certain ones start to shineNot all of us. Lol. I don't go out of my way to make sure everyone knows I shoot it. I have 3 deer rifles I use regularly. A 25-06, a 257 weatherby mag and my 6.5 Creedmoor. The deer die just the same with all 3. This year I killed my Washington buck with my Creedmoor but killed my Idaho buck with my 257 weatherby. Of course I used a .300 mag for my elk and moose. My point is I don't think it's some magic round that is better than anything else but it is a good round that is more than adequate for deer sized game and has a good variety of factory ammo. So I don't get the hate.pot meet kettle kind of thing. Creedmoor shooters will be the first to tell you they shoot a creedmoor and how great it is :chuckle:I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
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Post by: grundy53 on January 09, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
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Post by: KFhunter on January 09, 2019, 04:25:30 PM
My notion about hipsters is that they tend to follow the latest trends and never want to be caught doing something that is past trend ya?
Soo, following that logic wouldn't it be true that the real hipsters are the guys telling you that your whatever is old and un-trendy?
"your 6.5 Creedmoor is so 2017, ya - I'm over that" say's the hipster
Post by: NWShooter on January 09, 2019, 07:25:08 PM
Post by: b23 on January 10, 2019, 12:02:02 AM
Hmmmmmmm. The Hornady 2019 catalogue shows Hornady 22 Creedmoor brass. With the right throat and twist( 7/8 T ) that chambering will rock :rockin: the 80gr - 95gr heavies. Move over 22-250 for that matter, move over 22-250 AI. The CM case length just works. The definition of optimal on a short action.
The 22 Creed and 22-250AI are essentially ballistic twins, but I'd pick the 22 Creed because I'm lazy and it would require less work. If I was wanting to sling 80+ grainers from a .22 cal I'm going to want a little more horsepower though.
Post by: Matth on January 10, 2019, 08:55:47 AM
Post by: X-Force on January 10, 2019, 09:55:32 AM
The 6.5 Cm is also on my list of rounds to buy this year. I am not sure on what platform just yet, as it will be for my 11 year old son. I also own a 26 Nosler, but it has just a bit to much poop for him at this stage of the game. It will be a deer, and elk gun for him until he can join the ranks of the bearded magnum guys, like his father. (no manbun)
I am with you, i have a kid and a wife who shoot, i just need a gun all of us can fit into. I'm looking at the Savage 110 Storm.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 10, 2019, 03:36:57 PM
The 6.5 Cm is also on my list of rounds to buy this year. I am not sure on what platform just yet, as it will be for my 11 year old son. I also own a 26 Nosler, but it has just a bit to much poop for him at this stage of the game. It will be a deer, and elk gun for him until he can join the ranks of the bearded magnum guys, like his father. (no manbun)
I am with you, i have a kid and a wife who shoot, i just need a gun all of us can fit into. I'm looking at the Savage 110 Storm.
I am looking at the Ruger American Predator.
Post by: h20hunter on January 10, 2019, 04:08:04 PM
Post by: grundy53 on January 10, 2019, 04:41:39 PM
That's what I have. I like mine.The 6.5 Cm is also on my list of rounds to buy this year. I am not sure on what platform just yet, as it will be for my 11 year old son. I also own a 26 Nosler, but it has just a bit to much poop for him at this stage of the game. It will be a deer, and elk gun for him until he can join the ranks of the bearded magnum guys, like his father. (no manbun)
I am with you, i have a kid and a wife who shoot, i just need a gun all of us can fit into. I'm looking at the Savage 110 Storm.
I am looking at the Ruger American Predator.
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Post by: Matth on January 10, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
Post by: NWShooter on January 10, 2019, 08:35:24 PM
Post by: konradcountry on January 11, 2019, 08:30:08 AM
Some might start kicking around the idea of doing the paper work on a .338 Suppressor. Due to the fact a 8.6 Creedmoor is going to be a bunch of fun. Subsonic or super sonic out of a 1-3 to 1-5 twist. Optimized for short barrels. Perfect for a 12.5” AR10 pistol, brace of course. It will be playing chess while the .300 Blkout is still playing checkers.
Reloading for a heavy pistol doesn't sound like much fun. Checkers sounds better :P
Post by: NWShooter on January 12, 2019, 07:02:29 AM
Some might start kicking around the idea of doing the paper work on a .338 Suppressor. Due to the fact a 8.6 Creedmoor is going to be a bunch of fun. Subsonic or super sonic out of a 1-3 to 1-5 twist. Optimized for short barrels. Perfect for a 12.5” AR10 pistol, brace of course. It will be playing chess while the .300 Blkout is still playing checkers.
Reloading for a heavy pistol doesn't sound like much fun. Checkers sounds better ;)
Factory ammo will be available. I would rather run a AR10 pistol with brace and a 12” or so barrel , keeping it in more or less the AR15 weight class. Full size AR10’s can get HEAVY. Chess. ;) 22-24” AR’s are heavy.
Post by: konradcountry on January 12, 2019, 08:09:19 AM
Some might start kicking around the idea of doing the paper work on a .338 Suppressor. Due to the fact a 8.6 Creedmoor is going to be a bunch of fun. Subsonic or super sonic out of a 1-3 to 1-5 twist. Optimized for short barrels. Perfect for a 12.5” AR10 pistol, brace of course. It will be playing chess while the .300 Blkout is still playing checkers.
Reloading for a heavy pistol doesn't sound like much fun. Checkers sounds better ;)
Factory ammo will be available. I would rather run a AR10 pistol with brace and a 12” or so barrel , keeping it in more or less the AR15 weight class. Full size AR10’s can get HEAVY. Chess. ;) 22-24” AR’s are heavy.
Factory ammo will be a rip which is why people will handload it. We already have AR10 pistols and they are not popular because of cost/weight. I get the idea but it should have been developed before blackout.
Post by: jdb on January 12, 2019, 08:53:49 AM
that in spades! They're almost as bad as vortex userspot meet kettle kind of thing. Creedmoor shooters will be the first to tell you they shoot a creedmoor and how great it is :chuckle:I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 12, 2019, 09:32:07 AM
And tikka guys! :stirthepot: :chuckle:that in spades! They're almost as bad as vortex userspot meet kettle kind of thing. Creedmoor shooters will be the first to tell you they shoot a creedmoor and how great it is :chuckle:I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 12, 2019, 09:34:44 AM
crossfitters :chuckle:And tikka guys! :stirthepot: :chuckle:that in spades! They're almost as bad as vortex userspot meet kettle kind of thing. Creedmoor shooters will be the first to tell you they shoot a creedmoor and how great it is :chuckle:I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 12, 2019, 09:35:18 AM
vegans :yike:crossfitters :chuckle:And tikka guys! :stirthepot: :chuckle:that in spades! They're almost as bad as vortex userspot meet kettle kind of thing. Creedmoor shooters will be the first to tell you they shoot a creedmoor and how great it is :chuckle:I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 12, 2019, 09:41:30 AM
vegan CrossFitters!vegans :yike:crossfitters :chuckle:And tikka guys! :stirthepot: :chuckle:that in spades! They're almost as bad as vortex userspot meet kettle kind of thing. Creedmoor shooters will be the first to tell you they shoot a creedmoor and how great it is :chuckle:I don't get the hate. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent deer cartridge. Factory ammo is readily available and inexpensive. Does it fill a niche that wasn't already there?
I don't get the hatred either. It's one of those calibers like 40 S&W where people have some weird preoccupation with not using it. Like they have to constantly tell us about why they don't use it.
Post by: savagehunter on January 12, 2019, 10:17:22 AM
Post by: NWShooter on January 12, 2019, 10:21:42 AM
Post by: coop2424 on January 12, 2019, 12:33:36 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 12, 2019, 01:25:34 PM
Post by: NWShooter on January 12, 2019, 02:38:29 PM
What is the load your using for 2800fps out of a 20” using the 143eld-x? Just out of since that seems way better than I have seen with the creedmoor.
RL17
Post by: savagehunter on January 12, 2019, 03:52:53 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 13, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
Post by: NWShooter on January 13, 2019, 08:06:11 PM
I got a kick out of that!!!
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 14, 2019, 12:58:24 PM
Funny. I was was talking with a guy the other day who ran the 6.5 Creedmoor into the ground. Talked allot of smack. He walked away and my deputy sheriff friend standing there that over heard it laughed. I asked what was up. He looked at me and said “It’s all talk, he’s not allowed to possess a firearm’.
I got a kick out of that!!!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on January 14, 2019, 02:58:10 PM
In with the cool kids now!
that bolt looks like one of my boars when he wants to breed real bad and it's hanging out
Post by: Alchase on January 14, 2019, 03:58:51 PM
In with the cool kids now!
that bolt looks like one of my boars when he wants to breed real bad and it's hanging out
Chrome?
One Baaaaad A$$ boar! :yike:
Post by: KFhunter on January 14, 2019, 04:45:13 PM
He could name it the pink hog rocket
Post by: mountainman on January 14, 2019, 06:36:22 PM
In with the cool kids now!
that bolt looks like one of my boars when he wants to breed real bad and it's hanging out
he should cerekote the bolt pink and go to TX and take a hog with it
He could name it the pink hog rocket
Wow, tough crowd!
Go to the Creedmoor "dark side" hoping my hair would grow, and all people can talk about are pig d×%KS!?😬😱
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 14, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
he should cerekote the bolt pink and go to TX and take a hog with itThat’s the reason my 300 win is called the pig d___. It’s a spiral fluted barrel. :chuckle:
He could name it the pink hog rocket
Post by: mountainman on January 19, 2019, 08:25:44 PM