Post by: Slider on March 24, 2009, 06:49:59 PM
http://www.huntingreport.com/video_hunt_list_species_details.cfm?id=8
Post by: Clark33 on March 24, 2009, 09:36:58 PM
Post by: tlbradford on March 24, 2009, 09:49:42 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on March 25, 2009, 07:34:12 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 25, 2009, 07:43:13 AM
:yike: That elephant took a lot of lead. The hunter didn't take a lot of time to settle and make a good shot after the first one. I started to feel bad for the elephant after the 3rd shot.
:yeah:
Post by: JoshT on March 25, 2009, 07:43:43 AM
Post by: Curly on March 25, 2009, 07:55:14 AM
:yike: That elephant took a lot of lead. The hunter didn't take a lot of time to settle and make a good shot after the first one. I started to feel bad for the elephant after the 3rd shot.
It didn't look like he settled down to make a good first shot. The angle that the elephant was at on the first shot was practically straight away.
Post by: Slider on March 25, 2009, 11:06:47 AM
Post by: tlbradford on March 25, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
I wish that Jumbo would have stomped that moron into a fine paste... get a freaking rest and learn how to shoot. "Wow... what a stong elephant, ehhhh"... no... what a schitty shot, ehhhhh.
Remember elephants may have a huge head, but it is a very tiny window to get to the brain. The hardest part is determining where the aiming spot is. The PH told him to shoot the first time. I agree, the follow-ups were too hurried.It would be interesting to learn where all the slugs from his head shots ended up.
Post by: Intruder on March 25, 2009, 12:56:27 PM
I wish that Jumbo would have stomped that moron into a fine paste... get a freaking rest and learn how to shoot. "Wow... what a stong elephant, ehhhh"... no... what a schitty shot, ehhhhh.
My thoughts exactly.
Post by: luvhuntin on March 25, 2009, 01:47:24 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on March 25, 2009, 02:32:56 PM
Also, is that a standard bolt action? Doesn't quite sound like a normal bolt recycling a shell... :twocents:
Michael
Post by: hornhunter on March 25, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on March 25, 2009, 05:04:02 PM
Post by: 300wsm on March 25, 2009, 06:11:25 PM
Post by: bow-n-head on March 25, 2009, 06:29:02 PM
Post by: coasty on March 25, 2009, 06:47:15 PM
nice guide not
Post by: Red Dawg on March 25, 2009, 07:01:14 PM
Post by: agchawk on March 25, 2009, 07:13:57 PM
Idiots IMO.
Post by: wazzuhunter on March 25, 2009, 07:34:25 PM
Plus, that guy looked like he had never hunted before. Take a little time between shots and make sure you shoot it in a place that puts the animal down. Very disheartening. Hopefully PETA doesn't see that one, they will try and present every hunter as that guy.
Post by: TrkyBob53 on March 25, 2009, 07:50:43 PM
Post by: tlbradford on March 25, 2009, 08:32:41 PM
Flame on....
Post by: Slider on March 25, 2009, 08:49:21 PM
That guy needs to learn how to shoot... just cause you can hit the head doesn't mean you're gonna put it down... Great video on what not to do!
Also, is that a standard bolt action? Doesn't quite sound like a normal bolt recycling a shell... :twocents:
Michael
Michael the rifle is a Blaser. That's why they sound differently while cycling a round. Price depending on options? $16000.00 They make a 375H&H Mag and a 416 Rem Mag in their Safari rifle. The rifle has a brake and my guess is it is a 416 Rem Mag. I thought the guide should have stepped in after the second shot?
http://www.blaser-usa.com/R-93-Safari.128.0.html
Post by: dontgetcrabs on March 25, 2009, 08:55:30 PM
I'm going to stick up for the little guy. He obeyed every command of his PH. He continued to shoot until the animal expired. My biggest problem is with the original command to shoot from his PH. They should have waited for a better shot. The shot from behind was to try to anchor the elephant by hitting its spine. Again, you can be off just a few inches and your round will not get to an elephants brain. I don't see any difference between what he did and a guy that may hit an elk in the shoulder and have it deflect away from the vitals, and they continue to pump rounds into it until it is dead. You can do everything possible to try to make that first shot perfect, but when an animal is wounded I hope you are continuing to shoot until it doesn't move. Would you have felt better about hunting's image if he had shot once, let it wander into the bush and lay down under a tree to bleed out and die that way?
Flame on....
Looks Very UNPROFESSIONAL To Me? :twocents:
I agree the PH was the problem. Although the so called "HUNTER" should slow down and take a quality shot! But I will not judge, because I have never been there myself.
Post by: tlbradford on March 25, 2009, 08:57:10 PM
I thought the guide should have stepped in after the second shot?
http://www.blaser-usa.com/R-93-Safari.128.0.html
I agree. He might have been out of range for his big double though?
Post by: cascademountainhunter on March 25, 2009, 09:06:59 PM
Post by: Machias on March 25, 2009, 09:53:53 PM
Post by: jager on March 26, 2009, 07:35:44 AM
That was terrible. I am suprised the PH (I use that term loosely) would tell him to even take that first shot. Piss poor shooting. :mor: Disgusting!
Post by: Intruder on March 26, 2009, 10:15:29 AM
Post by: PA BEN on March 26, 2009, 10:26:50 AM
Post by: Slider on March 26, 2009, 06:53:51 PM
I am posting the following for Buzz Charlton, of Charlton McCallum Safaris. Buzz asked that I make the post on his behalf. It is cut and pasted from an email:
"Hi all. I have asked Mike to put a post here on my behalf so as to explain the entire event so that everyone knows the facts.
Ike and his charming wife Kate came hunting with me in Makuti. They are both elderly people with hip and other medical problems. It was Ikes life time dream to shoot an ele bull. After that he was to shoot a buff and he had bought Kate a buffalo as a wedding anniversary present also.
During our hunt they gained my utmost respect by walking many miles in the Makuti hills which I can assure you is no simple feat as a number of members of this forum will have personally experienced. I had Criton, my tracker, carry his gun as Ike was using a cane as was Kate. (To date I have had only 2 clients who over the duration of their hunt in Makuti have not asked the trackers to carry their rifle for them.)
We looked at over 40 ele bulls before Ike decided to take his bull. Despite seeing bigger bulls, Ike decided to take, in his own words, "this grand old bull". That’s exactly what the bull was too. I personally aged him at just under 50 years old - well above the average of the Zambezi valley which is under 30 years old. Ike’s deciding to take this bull instead of several younger bulls with bigger ivory told me a lot about Ike’s character.
We got to 35 yards from the bull when I decided that Ike should take a side brain shot. We could get no closer as Ike like me suffers from being vertically challenged, "a short fellow", and he would not have seen the bull as we would have had to go into a little gully that was between us and the bull which had 6 foot grass in it. As Ike was taking the shot which was a quartering away side brain shot the bull started to turn further away making it an even more acute angle.
With the benefit of hindsight we probably should have waited, however, in the heat of the moment Ike took the shot. He was close to the brain which rocked the bull. I decided then to back up and broke the front shoulder and put a hole through the elephant’s heart. I knew that the ele was going nowhere so I then let Ike finish off the bull. There is an argument that it is the PH’s responsibilty to put an animal out of its misery. Remember from the first shot fired to the time the ele was dead was probably 2 minutes. Had Ike taken a heart lung shot and been able to brag about a "one shot kill" the elephant would have run away screaming spewing blood out its trunk and eventually died up to 10 minutes late. I guide on average 30 elephant a season of which the majority are good 1 shot brain kills, with a possible back up shot in the back of the head when the ele is on the ground. However, situations such as Ike’s happen to the best hunters amongst us. Simply put if it has not happened to you, you have not hunted enough. No one wants to see any animal suffer least of all Ike or myself.
I, like the rest of our PHs, go out of our way not to back up clients. I for one would feel extremely unhappy if I traveled all the way to Alaska to shoot a bear and had my PH back up the instant that I shot. My policy on back up is only if (1) it is a dangerous situation, (2) I feel that the animal may escape, or (3) if my client asks me to, otherwise back shots are to be avoided. Watching many dangerous game shows on TV one has to ask who is actually hunting, the PH or the client!
After the ele, Ike shot a beautiful old dugga boy with a single shot from his Blaser .416. Kate then shot hers and Ike immediately backed up as that is what they decided between them. Once again huge credit goes to Ike and Kate who said to me that they wanted big bossed old bulls and had no interest in inches which is very refreshing from a PH’s point of view. In deciding to shoot a old elephant over heavier ivory young bulls and 2 old dugga boys over wide young bulls - they proved to me exactly what they were - very competent ethical hunters hunting for the "right reason" and not for glory or inches.
In summary I would like to say that it was an absolute pleasure hunting with Ike and Kate, who rate amongst my favourite clients to guide. Despite their age and physical challenges they hunted hard, earned good quality trophies on their own two feet in an ethical manner. The shooting on the ele was not good, there is room for improvement on that , however there are not many people that can claim a perfect shot on their first ele bull under hard circumstances! I really look forward to guiding Ike and Kate again this year when Ike will shoot a buff and a tuskless and Kate will look for her dream ele, "an older bull then Ikes".
Other points that were bought up that were not covered in the above. Ike was using a .416 Blaser. Kate had a .375 H&H . Everyone is entitled to hunt and fulfill a dream despite age, physical condition or any other challenges they may be experiencing and that is what a PH should be trying to achieve - helping a fellow hunter fulfill a dream. Since this is my first post on the forum I would like to say a big thanks to all who have hunted with us in the past and the many returning this year. I set off to the valley tomorrow to pick up my team of Criton, Tino and Eddy and then head into Chirisa where i will be doing a double trophy bull hunt back to back before going out with fellow AR member, Rob Jolly, for another trophy ele bull.
Buzz"
Post by: firecrotch on March 27, 2009, 12:37:56 AM
Post by: btlsoom on March 28, 2009, 07:50:55 AM
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Post by: Moose Eyes on March 29, 2009, 08:55:17 PM
It looks like he may of had better luck if he had thrown his rifle at the bull. At least than he would of had a good reason for not carrying it.
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Did you miss reading the part about being "elderly people with hip and other medical problems"?
Post by: dontgetcrabs on March 29, 2009, 09:53:39 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 29, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
Maybe handicap people should not be hunting dangerous game? :bdid:
I have no interest in hunting elephant. But after reading the story I tried to put it into perspective for myself: If 40 years from now is the first chance I have to afford a dall sheep hunt, would I take it? Would it be dangerous for me to be in that environment at that age? Would there be a chance that something bad could happen? Would I probably need some help from my guide?
I don't really know. But right now I am thinking that I would take that chance. Probably how this guy felt.
That being said, I hated seeing that elephant swiss cheesed like that...