Post by: Bob33 on February 03, 2019, 08:30:00 AM
A mother was shot in the face by her 4-year-old child, who found an unsecured gun and fired it, authorities said Saturday.
The mother was in the hospital Saturday night with life-threatening injuries.
The mother, father and child were in a Skyway apartment complex in the 12000 block of 71st Ave. South when the shooting happened around 5 p.m., said Sgt. Ryan Abbott with the King County Sheriff’s Office.
The child found the gun under the bed and unintentionally shot the 27-year-old mother, Abbott said.
“(The gun) wasn’t secured like it should have been; it was just laying under the bed and it was loaded,” he said.
Authorities rushed the mother to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, where she has since been joined by the child’s father and the child.
No one else was in the apartment at the time of the shooting.
It wasn’t immediately clear who owned the gun. Detectives are investigating.
Washington state voters in November approved Initiative 1639, a measure that, among other things, holds gun owners criminally liable if an unsecured gun is accessed by someone not allowed to have a firearm, like a child, and the gun is discharged.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/4-year-old-shoots-mother-in-face-after-finding-loaded-gun-under-bed-south-of-seattle/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/4-year-old-shoots-mother-in-face-after-finding-loaded-gun-under-bed-south-of-seattle/)
Post by: ghosthunter on February 03, 2019, 08:56:47 AM
But 1639 did not prevent it.
And what now, most likely the father is the gun owner. So the child may loose her mother and father??
Years ago this would be a tragic accident, now a felony?
You cannot beat people into common sense with laws.
Post by: Bob33 on February 03, 2019, 09:05:49 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on February 03, 2019, 09:28:29 AM
Post by: brush hunter on February 03, 2019, 09:37:47 AM
Post by: RJW on February 05, 2019, 09:04:57 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on February 05, 2019, 09:31:29 AM
The gun belonged to her boy friend and he borrowed it a friend. He had in between the mattress on their bed. The boy friend is the one that could be in trouble, not the mother.His friend he borrowed it from is in trouble as well
Post by: Bob33 on February 05, 2019, 09:36:37 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 05, 2019, 09:39:55 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 05, 2019, 09:43:52 AM
Post by: huntnfmly on February 05, 2019, 10:04:55 AM
The person who knowingly leaves it unsecured is liable.And the person that he borrowed (transferred) it from.
That's ridiculous and terrible
Post by: Cab on February 05, 2019, 10:42:46 AM
We are all in trouble......:yeah: that is what I first thought when I saw the news. Sad that people don't take the few mins it takes to secure a firearm properly.
Post by: Rainier10 on February 05, 2019, 11:08:44 AM
:yeah:The person who knowingly leaves it unsecured is liable.And the person that he borrowed (transferred) it from.
That's ridiculous and terrible
I594 comes into play on the illegal transfer of the gun from the friend to the boyfriend. You can’t just hand someone a loaner gun anymore unless you are hunting or in a hunter ed class.
The whole thing is just sad.
Post by: seakev on February 05, 2019, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: jrebel on February 05, 2019, 11:22:19 AM
Should it have been secured...yes (simply out of the reach of a 4 year old). Should someone go to jail for this tragic mistate.....no. The family and child will be paying for this tragedy for the rest of their life. I will also say that a 4 y.o. is old enough to be taught not to touch guns. My children knew not to touch guns without mom and dad at a very young age.....EDUCATION is key if your going to have guns around kids.
Post by: huntnfmly on February 05, 2019, 11:29:23 AM
Post by: konradcountry on February 06, 2019, 11:15:51 AM
The real issue is that the media is using this story nationwide to promote an anti-gun agenda.
If the kid had burned the house down by accident then it would not have made national news.
The media uses these stories to dupe the public into believing this happens all the time and that new laws are needed.
Post by: bracer40 on February 06, 2019, 12:53:32 PM
For those that feel no jail time is called for (because they've suffered enough, life never the same...etc) would you feel differently if similar, life changing injuries were sustained in a car crash due to the boyfriend driving the family while drunk?
Yes, illegal and incredibly reckless and irresponsible!
But so is leaving a loaded handgun where a child can get to it..
Post by: jrebel on February 06, 2019, 12:59:35 PM
Yes, this is a terrible tragedy for the three of them. Each of their lives will be scarred for the rest of their lives.
For those that feel no jail time is called for (because they've suffered enough, life never the same...etc) would you feel differently if similar, life changing injuries were sustained in a car crash due to the boyfriend driving the family while drunk?
Yes, illegal and incredibly reckless and irresponsible!
But so is leaving a loaded handgun where a child can get to it..
Apples and Oranges in my opinion. Having a loaded gun in your house is not illegal.
Post by: Bob33 on February 06, 2019, 01:12:31 PM
If it isn't secured and someone is injured it is.Yes, this is a terrible tragedy for the three of them. Each of their lives will be scarred for the rest of their lives.
For those that feel no jail time is called for (because they've suffered enough, life never the same...etc) would you feel differently if similar, life changing injuries were sustained in a car crash due to the boyfriend driving the family while drunk?
Yes, illegal and incredibly reckless and irresponsible!
But so is leaving a loaded handgun where a child can get to it..
Apples and Oranges in my opinion. Having a loaded gun in your house is not illegal.
Post by: Stein on February 06, 2019, 01:13:41 PM
Post by: jrebel on February 06, 2019, 01:23:30 PM
Post by: bracer40 on February 06, 2019, 01:24:52 PM
As a father of four grown children (who were raised in a hunting and shooting household) it breaks my heart to hear of these sorts of tragedies that are ENTIRELY PREVENTABLE!
Unfortunately, just because some people can pass a background check, doesn't mean they possess the common sense and maturity to own and handle a handgun. Yes it's their 2A right. Shame there's no way to screen for stupidity.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 11, 2019, 02:29:46 PM
2: Define secured ? What I would consider secured might be totally different than a liberal judges.
3: How could a 4 year old lift a mattress, that I can barely lift ?
4: Did the 4 year old shoot Mom in the bedroom, kitchen, bathroom, living area ?
Just a couple of thoughts about how the corrupt government is controlling all of us more and more about guns and just about everything else in our lives.......
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 11, 2019, 02:48:10 PM
I very rarely enter these types of threads.
As a father of four grown children (who were raised in a hunting and shooting household) it breaks my heart to hear of these sorts of tragedies that are ENTIRELY PREVENTABLE!
Unfortunately, just because some people can pass a background check, doesn't mean they possess the common sense and maturity to own and handle a handgun. Yes it's their 2A right. Shame there's no way to screen for stupidity.
Our rights don't come free of responsibilities and accountability. Exercise your rights stupidly and you're likely going to pay a consequence. They have and will continue to.