Post by: wolfbait on February 11, 2019, 05:18:09 PM
https://www.ehuntr.com/moose-tags-cut/?fbclid=IwAR3HtYSr7sNQ6CCjobum_nGRuq0gL2_aNRvGRN--MfVIm8zhZZf00FLvqYg
Post by: snake on February 11, 2019, 05:23:01 PM
Post by: MADMAX on February 11, 2019, 05:43:17 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on February 11, 2019, 06:31:44 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on February 11, 2019, 07:48:03 PM
Part of the problem they say is climate change?!!! Wth! Wolf loving bio’s maybe looking for other excuses?More like they are following the facts...a novel concept for some. :rolleyes:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181017080814.htm
https://www.khq.com/news/moose-tick-population-skyrockets-after-mild-winter-in-idaho-panhandle/article_5fb03070-929c-5f67-aee6-c8158b7001e4.html
https://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/hunting/article225484855.html
Post by: Stein on February 11, 2019, 07:56:15 PM
Post by: sagerat on February 11, 2019, 08:55:19 PM
Glad to see I haven’t wasted the last 20+ years applying
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Post by: elkrack on February 11, 2019, 09:46:38 PM
Post by: huntnnw on February 11, 2019, 10:24:22 PM
I know a guy who runs lots of cams in unit 1 in ID he would get 30-40 bull moose a year on cam 10 years ago this year he got 1!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 12, 2019, 05:23:56 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 12, 2019, 07:46:30 AM
Post by: grundy53 on February 12, 2019, 07:59:53 AM
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Post by: benhuntin on February 12, 2019, 08:24:38 AM
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Post by: Bango skank on February 12, 2019, 08:46:25 AM
Our state doesn’t care. They are raising tags in a few units. Absolute stupidity.
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All i saw was a decrease in 117 and an increase in 121
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 12, 2019, 09:07:32 AM
MOOSE TAGS CUT
https://www.ehuntr.com/moose-tags-cut/?fbclid=IwAR3HtYSr7sNQ6CCjobum_nGRuq0gL2_aNRvGRN--MfVIm8zhZZf00FLvqYg
The good side is; average winner points is dropping. :tup: :dunno: Bad side; number of applicants increasing. :'( :bash:
Post by: benhuntin on February 12, 2019, 09:13:10 AM
Why would you raise tags at all knowing that the population is in trouble.Our state doesn’t care. They are raising tags in a few units. Absolute stupidity.
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Post by: Bango skank on February 12, 2019, 09:15:25 AM
Post by: mfswallace on February 12, 2019, 10:16:01 AM
Part of the problem they say is climate change?!!! Wth! Wolf loving bio’s maybe looking for other excuses?More like they are following the facts...a novel concept for some. :rolleyes:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181017080814.htm
https://www.khq.com/news/moose-tick-population-skyrockets-after-mild-winter-in-idaho-panhandle/article_5fb03070-929c-5f67-aee6-c8158b7001e4.html
https://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/hunting/article225484855.html
http://m.startribune.com/q-a-expert-points-finger-at-wolves-for-declining-moose-numbers-not-climate-change/282833431/
Post by: grundy53 on February 12, 2019, 11:35:04 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on February 12, 2019, 12:05:33 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 12, 2019, 01:09:20 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0
The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 12, 2019, 01:12:34 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 12, 2019, 02:02:34 PM
Oh look, another article.....
Two different moose stories have made headlines in Minnesota in recent months.
One story tells of a long, ongoing moose decline in northern Minnesota. Since 2006, the state’s moose population has plummeted by more than 55 percent, according to surveys by the Department of Natural Resources. State moose researchers say the odds of reversing the downward trend aren’t good.
The other moose story is quite different. It tells of a moose population explosion. Surveys indicate the moose herd in question has been increasing by a whopping 19 percent a year. Plus, the survival rate of calf moose is extremely high, perhaps the highest ever recorded, researchers say.
Two moose stories; two different realities and … only 20 miles apart.
While Minnesota moose are slowly disappearing, the moose on Isle Royale National Park in Lake Superior — a mere 20 miles off Minnesota’s North Shore — are approaching historic highs, according to 2016 surveys.
Hey, you can’t make this stuff up.
So what is causing Minnesota’s moose numbers to plummet while the island moose count soars?
DNR wildlife researchers have been seeking the answers to Minnesota’s moose problems for decades. What is known is that Minnesota’s moose are dying for a variety of reasons. Of more importance, is there anything to be done to eliminate or reduce these mortality factors to save Minnesota’s moose?
It depends on who is asked.
If you asked many Minnesota deer hunters and others who spend time in the North Woods, the answer would be: “Get rid of some wolves.”
DNR wildlife researchers typically scoff at such theories, correctly noting that moose and wolves have coexisted for a long time. Even as the state’s moose count continued to decline, DNR officials were reluctant to even suggest that the high density of wolves in the state could be a leading moose problem.
In 2009, a state Moose Advisory Committee report — after reviewing a range of moose topics — came to the conclusion that stress from global warming may be the primary reason for the decline, along with other causes of mortality, such as winter ticks, poor nutrition (a habitat issue) and a parasitic brainworm (carried by whitetail deer). The 45-page report made no mention of wolf or bear predation.
In January 2016, DNR moose researchers announced they were on the brink of discovering what is killing Minnesota’s moose. The suspects: poor health and increased predation. Using radio-collared moose, researchers investigated 47 moose fatalities and found that roughly 66 percent died of illnesses, such as brain worms, winter ticks, bacterial infections, liver flukes and severe malnutrition.
The other adult moose (33 percent) were killed by wolves, the DNR said, adding that one-third of the wolf kills possibly can be attributed to those moose already weakened by illnesses and vulnerable to wolf attacks. In a DNR study of moose calf mortalities, researchers tracking radio-collared moose calves found that 67 percent of them had been killed by wolves.
In a 2014 Star Tribune news story, renowned wolf researcher Dave Mech said he thinks wolves are playing a bigger role in the decline of northeast Minnesota moose than originally believed. He also discounted the idea that climate change was a major cause of moose mortality.
Nevertheless, DNR moose researchers last year contended that more study is needed, saying it could take another six years before the DNR had enough “data to determine long-term mortality trends and causes.”
Meanwhile, the moose decline shows no signs of stopping.
Minnesota’s moose population has plunged roughly 60 percent, from more than 8,000 animals in 2006 to fewer than 3,500 in 2015. Moose hunting was halted in 2013 by the DNR. Last fall, three Minnesota Chippewa Indian tribes, citing 1854 treaty rights, renewed their off-reservation hunting season for bull moose only.
So what explains the moose population explosion happening not far away on Isle Royale?
It’s a much simpler story. It’s the wolves. They’re almost gone. At last count, two wolves remain on Isle Royale, down from an average of about 25.
This is a classic predator-prey plot to the extreme. For nearly a half century, moose and wolves have had a teeter-totter relationship documented by wildlife scientists on Isle Royale since 1958.
Rather than a so-called balance of nature, researchers found a dynamic tension: When the moose declined due to excessive wolf predation, eventually the wolves themselves declined for lack of moose meat; with fewer wolves hunting on the island, the moose population bounced back, after which wolves slowly increased as well. Such is the game of predator-prey.
Post by: grundy53 on February 12, 2019, 05:35:10 PM
From states without wolves-It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0
The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
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Post by: Jonathan_S on February 12, 2019, 06:31:58 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 12, 2019, 07:27:48 PM
From states without wolves-It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0
The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
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No, but it's the same pro-wolf stance he takes in nearly every thread. Anybody who pays much attention to our moose decline (and there's a bunch), realize the ticks are a big issue too.
Post by: grundy53 on February 12, 2019, 07:54:34 PM
I agree. They are a big issue. But not the only issue.From states without wolves-It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0
The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
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No, but it's the same pro-wolf stance he takes in nearly every thread. Anybody who pays much attention to our moose decline (and there's a bunch), realize the ticks are a big issue too.
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Post by: idahohuntr on February 12, 2019, 09:29:53 PM
How is that a pro-wolf stance, pointing out a clear cause of declines in many moose populations across North America? The way some of you guys throw these labels around its like if you don't start your post with a 9 paragraph preamble about how horrible wolves are and how every societal problem known to man is caused by wolves...that makes you "pro-wolf"...whatever the hell that means.From states without wolves-It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0
The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
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No, but it's the same pro-wolf stance he takes in nearly every thread. Anybody who pays much attention to our moose decline (and there's a bunch), realize the ticks are a big issue too.
Post by: MtnMuley on February 12, 2019, 09:43:12 PM
How is that a pro-wolf stance, pointing out a clear cause of declines in many moose populations across North America? The way some of you guys throw these labels around its like if you don't start your post with a 9 paragraph preamble about how horrible wolves are and how every societal problem known to man is caused by wolves...that makes you "pro-wolf"...whatever the hell that means.From states without wolves-It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0
The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
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No, but it's the same pro-wolf stance he takes in nearly every thread. Anybody who pays much attention to our moose decline (and there's a bunch), realize the ticks are a big issue too.
..... but I didn't do that. Not even close. Sorry if I struck a nerve with both you "Pro-wolf Gov't paid Bio's" :ACRY:
Post by: idaho guy on February 12, 2019, 10:26:35 PM
Part of the problem they say is climate change?!!! Wth! Wolf loving bio’s maybe looking for other excuses?
Exactly!! Bs besides I though it was global warming now it’s climate change where I hunt the climate changes by the hour sometimes :chuckle: pictures from my yard this morning I think the global warming missed us
Post by: idaho guy on February 12, 2019, 10:27:56 PM
Part of the problem they say is climate change?!!! Wth! Wolf loving bio’s maybe looking for other excuses?
Few more inches I can snowmobile over my fence!
Post by: idaho guy on February 12, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
http://www.startribune.com/moose-populations-the-thick-and-thin-of-it/412741063/ (http://www.startribune.com/moose-populations-the-thick-and-thin-of-it/412741063/)
Oh look, another article.....
Two different moose stories have made headlines in Minnesota in recent months.
One story tells of a long, ongoing moose decline in northern Minnesota. Since 2006, the state’s moose population has plummeted by more than 55 percent, according to surveys by the Department of Natural Resources. State moose researchers say the odds of reversing the downward trend aren’t good.
The other moose story is quite different. It tells of a moose population explosion. Surveys indicate the moose herd in question has been increasing by a whopping 19 percent a year. Plus, the survival rate of calf moose is extremely high, perhaps the highest ever recorded, researchers say.
Two moose stories; two different realities and … only 20 miles apart.
While Minnesota moose are slowly disappearing, the moose on Isle Royale National Park in Lake Superior — a mere 20 miles off Minnesota’s North Shore — are approaching historic highs, according to 2016 surveys.
Hey, you can’t make this stuff up.
So what is causing Minnesota’s moose numbers to plummet while the island moose count soars?
DNR wildlife researchers have been seeking the answers to Minnesota’s moose problems for decades. What is known is that Minnesota’s moose are dying for a variety of reasons. Of more importance, is there anything to be done to eliminate or reduce these mortality factors to save Minnesota’s moose?
It depends on who is asked.
If you asked many Minnesota deer hunters and others who spend time in the North Woods, the answer would be: “Get rid of some wolves.”
DNR wildlife researchers typically scoff at such theories, correctly noting that moose and wolves have coexisted for a long time. Even as the state’s moose count continued to decline, DNR officials were reluctant to even suggest that the high density of wolves in the state could be a leading moose problem.
In 2009, a state Moose Advisory Committee report — after reviewing a range of moose topics — came to the conclusion that stress from global warming may be the primary reason for the decline, along with other causes of mortality, such as winter ticks, poor nutrition (a habitat issue) and a parasitic brainworm (carried by whitetail deer). The 45-page report made no mention of wolf or bear predation.
In January 2016, DNR moose researchers announced they were on the brink of discovering what is killing Minnesota’s moose. The suspects: poor health and increased predation. Using radio-collared moose, researchers investigated 47 moose fatalities and found that roughly 66 percent died of illnesses, such as brain worms, winter ticks, bacterial infections, liver flukes and severe malnutrition.
The other adult moose (33 percent) were killed by wolves, the DNR said, adding that one-third of the wolf kills possibly can be attributed to those moose already weakened by illnesses and vulnerable to wolf attacks. In a DNR study of moose calf mortalities, researchers tracking radio-collared moose calves found that 67 percent of them had been killed by wolves.
In a 2014 Star Tribune news story, renowned wolf researcher Dave Mech said he thinks wolves are playing a bigger role in the decline of northeast Minnesota moose than originally believed. He also discounted the idea that climate change was a major cause of moose mortality.
Nevertheless, DNR moose researchers last year contended that more study is needed, saying it could take another six years before the DNR had enough “data to determine long-term mortality trends and causes.”
Meanwhile, the moose decline shows no signs of stopping.
Minnesota’s moose population has plunged roughly 60 percent, from more than 8,000 animals in 2006 to fewer than 3,500 in 2015. Moose hunting was halted in 2013 by the DNR. Last fall, three Minnesota Chippewa Indian tribes, citing 1854 treaty rights, renewed their off-reservation hunting season for bull moose only.
So what explains the moose population explosion happening not far away on Isle Royale?
It’s a much simpler story. It’s the wolves. They’re almost gone. At last count, two wolves remain on Isle Royale, down from an average of about 25.
This is a classic predator-prey plot to the extreme. For nearly a half century, moose and wolves have had a teeter-totter relationship documented by wildlife scientists on Isle Royale since 1958.
Rather than a so-called balance of nature, researchers found a dynamic tension: When the moose declined due to excessive wolf predation, eventually the wolves themselves declined for lack of moose meat; with fewer wolves hunting on the island, the moose population bounced back, after which wolves slowly increased as well. Such is the game of predator-prey.
Another thread on here about Isle Royale with a graph showing 50 plus years wolves explode and moose dwindle. Wolves numbers down and now they have a moose overpopulation problem! Solution is to spend 100,000 to transplant more “robust “wolves down from Canada! Sounds kind of like Idaho that will take care of all those pesky moose!
Post by: idaho guy on February 12, 2019, 10:49:17 PM
just getting started. WA will be half the tag numbers in 10 years or less
I know a guy who runs lots of cams in unit 1 in ID he would get 30-40 bull moose a year on cam 10 years ago this year he got 1!
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Unit 1 moose have been hammered I am glad Idaho cut tags definitely the right choice
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2019, 07:04:05 AM
I don't get it? I didn't take a "pro wolf" stance. No one is arguing that wolves are not impacting moose. They are. We do not know to what degree, but we do know that there are more forces at work than just predation. To say that's not the case is purely ignorant.From states without wolves-It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0
The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
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No, but it's the same pro-wolf stance he takes in nearly every thread. Anybody who pays much attention to our moose decline (and there's a bunch), realize the ticks are a big issue too.
we can make a list of things that impact moose populations pretty quickly- feel free to add
Weather
Climate
Predation (wolves, bears, lions...)
Parasite load
Habitat Change (fires, logging, ect.)
Hunting Regulations
Post by: MtnMuley on February 13, 2019, 09:35:16 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 13, 2019, 11:41:32 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2019, 11:01:25 PM
In 12 days of hunting, logging hundreds of miles on foot and in the truck, we saw 1 cow at about two miles away, that was gone by the time we got to the spot a hour later.
The only other cow we got close to was while we snuck up on a young bull we had spotted. Got around the bull and spotted a Cow. My daughter drew her rifle, settled on her shooting sticks and put the crosshairs rightbehind the shoulder. Safety off and ready to shoot at 40 yards, we saw a calf. She stood up over her rifle and said she didn't want to shoot a Cow with a calf. About 10 seconds later a second calf stepped out.
In those 12 days, that was her only opportunity, and she chose to pass. Now, that was not the only Moose we saw. We saw several bulls, almost daily.....just no cows.
Chatting with a couple locals that offered to give us a hand late, they were not surprised. We were even fortunate to have a local moose enthusiast help us on the second to last day, taking us into areas he was pretty sure had moose, only to have to let him know we had been hunting those areas the whole time.
We hiked miles daily, glassed huge areas, and couldnt find a solo Cow....only bulls. Thanks Ben! ;)
Post by: Falcon on February 15, 2019, 08:49:57 AM
My daughter drew a Cow tag this year. We were limited to days she could miss school (Pre Med/Health Science dual major at Boise State) but still were able to hunt the entire last week, as well as the first weekend+.
In 12 days of hunting, logging hundreds of miles on foot and in the truck, we saw 1 cow at about two miles away, that was gone by the time we got to the spot a hour later.
The only other cow we got close to was while we snuck up on a young bull we had spotted. Got around the bull and spotted a Cow. My daughter drew her rifle, settled on her shooting sticks and put the crosshairs rightbehind the shoulder. Safety off and ready to shoot at 40 yards, we saw a calf. She stood up over her rifle and said she didn't want to shoot a Cow with a calf. About 10 seconds later a second calf stepped out.
In those 12 days, that was her only opportunity, and she chose to pass. Now, that was not the only Moose we saw. We saw several bulls, almost daily.....just no cows.
Chatting with a couple locals that offered to give us a hand late, they were not surprised. We were even fortunate to have a local moose enthusiast help us on the second to last day, taking us into areas he was pretty sure had moose, only to have to let him know we had been hunting those areas the whole time.
We hiked miles daily, glassed huge areas, and couldnt find a solo Cow....only bulls. Thanks Ben! ;)
Rob. That’s a sad story for putting in that much work with your daughter. In the end, your daughter truly showed she is a class act :tup:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 15, 2019, 09:19:14 AM
Post by: benhuntin on February 15, 2019, 01:46:20 PM
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Post by: mfswallace on February 15, 2019, 08:39:24 PM
I don't get it? I didn't take a "pro wolf" stance. No one is arguing that wolves are not impacting moose. They are. We do not know to what degree, but we do know that there are more forces at work than just predation. To say that's not the case is purely ignorant.From states without wolves-It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0
The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
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No, but it's the same pro-wolf stance he takes in nearly every thread. Anybody who pays much attention to our moose decline (and there's a bunch), realize the ticks are a big issue too.
we can make a list of things that impact moose populations pretty quickly- feel free to add
Weather
Climate
Predation (wolves, bears, lions...)
Parasite load
Habitat Change (fires, logging, ect.)
Hunting Regulations
Ignore the obvious of predators and in the NE specifically wolves plus the 40+ yrs of Mech study, Idaho, Yellowstone = ur right u don't know or won't admit to what degree the lesser of the factors play a part