collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: MOOSE TAGS CUT  (Read 10608 times)

Offline idaho guy

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2012
  • Posts: 2825
  • Location: hayden
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2019, 10:26:35 PM »
Part of the problem they say is climate change?!!!  Wth! Wolf loving bio’s maybe looking for other excuses?


Exactly!! Bs besides I though it was global warming now it’s climate change where I hunt the climate changes by the hour sometimes  :chuckle: pictures from my yard this morning I think the global warming missed us

Offline idaho guy

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2012
  • Posts: 2825
  • Location: hayden
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2019, 10:27:56 PM »
Part of the problem they say is climate change?!!!  Wth! Wolf loving bio’s maybe looking for other excuses?

Few more inches I can snowmobile over my fence!

Offline idaho guy

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2012
  • Posts: 2825
  • Location: hayden
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2019, 10:47:30 PM »
http://www.startribune.com/moose-populations-the-thick-and-thin-of-it/412741063/

Oh look, another article.....



Two different moose stories have made headlines in Minnesota in recent months.

One story tells of a long, ongoing moose decline in northern Minnesota. Since 2006, the state’s moose population has plummeted by more than 55 percent, according to surveys by the Department of Natural Resources. State moose researchers say the odds of reversing the downward trend aren’t good.

The other moose story is quite different. It tells of a moose population explosion. Surveys indicate the moose herd in question has been increasing by a whopping 19 percent a year. Plus, the survival rate of calf moose is extremely high, perhaps the highest ever recorded, researchers say.

Two moose stories; two different realities and … only 20 miles apart.

While Minnesota moose are slowly disappearing, the moose on Isle Royale National Park in Lake Superior — a mere 20 miles off Minnesota’s North Shore — are approaching historic highs, according to 2016 surveys.

Hey, you can’t make this stuff up.

So what is causing Minnesota’s moose numbers to plummet while the island moose count soars?


DNR wildlife researchers have been seeking the answers to Minnesota’s moose problems for decades. What is known is that Minnesota’s moose are dying for a variety of reasons. Of more importance, is there anything to be done to eliminate or reduce these mortality factors to save Minnesota’s moose?

It depends on who is asked.

If you asked many Minnesota deer hunters and others who spend time in the North Woods, the answer would be: “Get rid of some wolves.”

DNR wildlife researchers typically scoff at such theories, correctly noting that moose and wolves have coexisted for a long time. Even as the state’s moose count continued to decline, DNR officials were reluctant to even suggest that the high density of wolves in the state could be a leading moose problem.

In 2009, a state Moose Advisory Committee report — after reviewing a range of moose topics — came to the conclusion that stress from global warming may be the primary reason for the decline, along with other causes of mortality, such as winter ticks, poor nutrition (a habitat issue) and a parasitic brainworm (carried by whitetail deer). The 45-page report made no mention of wolf or bear predation.


In January 2016, DNR moose researchers announced they were on the brink of discovering what is killing Minnesota’s moose. The suspects: poor health and increased predation. Using radio-collared moose, researchers investigated 47 moose fatalities and found that roughly 66 percent died of illnesses, such as brain worms, winter ticks, bacterial infections, liver flukes and severe malnutrition.

The other adult moose (33 percent) were killed by wolves, the DNR said, adding that one-third of the wolf kills possibly can be attributed to those moose already weakened by illnesses and vulnerable to wolf attacks. In a DNR study of moose calf mortalities, researchers tracking radio-collared moose calves found that 67 percent of them had been killed by wolves.

In a 2014 Star Tribune news story, renowned wolf researcher Dave Mech said he thinks wolves are playing a bigger role in the decline of northeast Minnesota moose than originally believed. He also discounted the idea that climate change was a major cause of moose mortality.

Nevertheless, DNR moose researchers last year contended that more study is needed, saying it could take another six years before the DNR had enough “data to determine long-term mortality trends and causes.”

Meanwhile, the moose decline shows no signs of stopping.


Minnesota’s moose population has plunged roughly 60 percent, from more than 8,000 animals in 2006 to fewer than 3,500 in 2015. Moose hunting was halted in 2013 by the DNR. Last fall, three Minnesota Chippewa Indian tribes, citing 1854 treaty rights, renewed their off-reservation hunting season for bull moose only.

So what explains the moose population explosion happening not far away on Isle Royale?

It’s a much simpler story. It’s the wolves. They’re almost gone. At last count, two wolves remain on Isle Royale, down from an average of about 25.

This is a classic predator-prey plot to the extreme. For nearly a half century, moose and wolves have had a teeter-totter relationship documented by wildlife scientists on Isle Royale since 1958.

Rather than a so-called balance of nature, researchers found a dynamic tension: When the moose declined due to excessive wolf predation, eventually the wolves themselves declined for lack of moose meat; with fewer wolves hunting on the island, the moose population bounced back, after which wolves slowly increased as well. Such is the game of predator-prey.


Another thread on here about Isle Royale with a graph showing 50 plus years wolves explode and moose dwindle. Wolves numbers down and now they have a moose overpopulation problem! Solution is to spend 100,000 to transplant more “robust “wolves down from Canada! Sounds kind of like Idaho that will take care of all those pesky moose!

Offline idaho guy

  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jun 2012
  • Posts: 2825
  • Location: hayden
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2019, 10:49:17 PM »
just getting started. WA will be half the tag numbers in 10 years or less

I know a guy who runs lots of cams in unit 1 in ID he would get 30-40 bull moose a year on cam 10 years ago this year he got 1!
[/quote


Unit 1 moose have been hammered I am glad Idaho cut tags definitely the right choice

Offline WAcoyotehunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 4457
  • Location: Pend Oreille County
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2019, 07:04:05 AM »
From states without wolves-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp

https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0

 The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

No, but it's the same pro-wolf stance he takes in nearly every thread. Anybody who pays much attention to our moose decline (and there's a bunch), realize the ticks are a big issue too.
I don't get it?  I didn't take a "pro wolf" stance.  No one is arguing that wolves are not impacting moose.  They are.  We do not know to what degree, but we do know that there are more forces at work than just predation.  To say that's not the case is purely ignorant.

we can make a list of things that impact moose populations pretty quickly- feel free to add

Weather
Climate
Predation (wolves, bears, lions...)
Parasite load
Habitat Change (fires, logging, ect.)
Hunting Regulations

 

Offline MtnMuley

  • Site Sponsor
  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Aug 2009
  • Posts: 8686
  • Location: NCW
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2019, 09:35:16 AM »
I never said that wasn't the case nor did I ever say that the decline is all about wolves or predation.  However, they play a major factor in my eyes along with parasites.  Your list of issues having impacts looks good.  I would also add poaching as an issue. 

Offline Rainier10

  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (+5)
  • Explorer
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2010
  • Posts: 15936
  • Location: Over the edge
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2019, 11:41:32 AM »
Poaching.  :bash:
Pain is temporary, achieving the goal is worth it.

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be worth it.

Every father should remember that one day his children will follow his example instead of his advice.


The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of HuntWa or the site owner.

Offline huntnphool

  • Chance favors the prepared mind!
  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+15)
  • Legend
  • ******
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 32890
  • Location: Pacific NorthWest
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2019, 11:01:25 PM »
 My daughter drew a Cow tag this year. We were limited to days she could miss school (Pre Med/Health Science dual major at Boise State) but still were able to hunt the entire last week, as well as the first weekend+.

 In 12 days of hunting, logging hundreds of miles on foot and in the truck, we saw 1 cow at about two miles away, that was gone by the time we got to the spot a hour later.

 The only other cow we got close to was while we snuck up on a young bull we had spotted. Got around the bull and spotted a Cow. My daughter drew her rifle, settled on her shooting sticks and put the crosshairs rightbehind the shoulder. Safety off and ready to shoot at 40 yards, we saw a calf. She stood up over her rifle and said she didn't want to shoot a Cow with a calf. About 10 seconds later a second calf stepped out.

 In those 12 days, that was her only opportunity, and she chose to pass. Now, that was not the only Moose we saw. We saw several bulls, almost daily.....just no cows.

 Chatting with a couple locals that offered to give us a hand late, they were not surprised. We were even fortunate to have a local moose enthusiast help us on the second to last day, taking us into areas he was pretty sure had moose, only to have to let him know we had been hunting those areas the whole time.

 We hiked miles daily, glassed huge areas, and couldnt find a solo Cow....only bulls. Thanks Ben! ;)
The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first!

Offline Falcon

  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2007
  • Posts: 1253
  • Location: Enumclaw
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2019, 08:49:57 AM »
My daughter drew a Cow tag this year. We were limited to days she could miss school (Pre Med/Health Science dual major at Boise State) but still were able to hunt the entire last week, as well as the first weekend+.

 In 12 days of hunting, logging hundreds of miles on foot and in the truck, we saw 1 cow at about two miles away, that was gone by the time we got to the spot a hour later.

 The only other cow we got close to was while we snuck up on a young bull we had spotted. Got around the bull and spotted a Cow. My daughter drew her rifle, settled on her shooting sticks and put the crosshairs rightbehind the shoulder. Safety off and ready to shoot at 40 yards, we saw a calf. She stood up over her rifle and said she didn't want to shoot a Cow with a calf. About 10 seconds later a second calf stepped out.

 In those 12 days, that was her only opportunity, and she chose to pass. Now, that was not the only Moose we saw. We saw several bulls, almost daily.....just no cows.

 Chatting with a couple locals that offered to give us a hand late, they were not surprised. We were even fortunate to have a local moose enthusiast help us on the second to last day, taking us into areas he was pretty sure had moose, only to have to let him know we had been hunting those areas the whole time.

 We hiked miles daily, glassed huge areas, and couldnt find a solo Cow....only bulls. Thanks Ben! ;)

Rob.   That’s a sad story for putting in that much work with your daughter.   In the end, your daughter truly showed she is a class act :tup:
Cast all your anxiety upon him, for he cares for you.    1 Peter 5:7

Offline Skyvalhunter

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Oct 2007
  • Posts: 16005
  • Location: Sky valley/Methow
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2019, 09:19:14 AM »
Sorry the hunt didn't turn out better, but you put in a good effort
The only man who never makes a mistake, is the man who never does anything!!
The further one goes into the wilderness, the greater the attraction of its lonely freedom.

Offline benhuntin

  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Feb 2010
  • Posts: 2576
  • Location: NUNYA
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2019, 01:46:20 PM »
Washington is ok with 40% harvest.  There are definitely still Moose to be had but they are not like they were 7-10 years ago. 


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If it aint broke, dont fix it.

Offline Crunchy

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2007
  • Posts: 4925
  • Location: Puyallup
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2019, 01:59:19 PM »
Sad, but what used to be a gimme meat hunt is far from it these days.

Offline mfswallace

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+1)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2012
  • Posts: 2653
  • Location: where I be
Re: MOOSE TAGS CUT
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2019, 08:39:24 PM »
From states without wolves-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bangordailynews.com/2018/10/24/outdoors/bloodthirsty-ticks-are-hitting-new-englands-moose-population-hard/%3famp

https://www.nhpr.org/post/nhs-moose-population-decimated-winter-ticks-0#stream/0

 The elephant in the room in this case is a puny insect, Dermacetor albipictus...the winter tick.
It's killing all of the calves before winter even starts?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

No, but it's the same pro-wolf stance he takes in nearly every thread. Anybody who pays much attention to our moose decline (and there's a bunch), realize the ticks are a big issue too.
I don't get it?  I didn't take a "pro wolf" stance.  No one is arguing that wolves are not impacting moose.  They are.  We do not know to what degree, but we do know that there are more forces at work than just predation.  To say that's not the case is purely ignorant.

we can make a list of things that impact moose populations pretty quickly- feel free to add

Weather
Climate
Predation (wolves, bears, lions...)
Parasite load
Habitat Change (fires, logging, ect.)
Hunting Regulations

Ignore the obvious of predators and in the NE specifically wolves plus the 40+ yrs of Mech study, Idaho, Yellowstone = ur right u don't know or won't admit to what degree the lesser of the factors play a part

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

Vantage Bridge by jackelope
[Today at 12:49:31 PM]


Wyoming elk who's in? by elkchaser54
[Today at 12:00:50 PM]


Best/Preferred Scouting App by MeepDog
[Today at 11:56:56 AM]


Nevada Results by jae
[Today at 11:25:17 AM]


The time clock has started.....and go. by jstone
[Today at 10:34:04 AM]


Drano Lake Springers by metlhead
[Today at 10:00:01 AM]


Knight ridge runner by JakeLand
[Today at 09:54:37 AM]


Last year putting in… by pianoman9701
[Today at 09:02:32 AM]


Desert Sheds by HntnFsh
[Today at 08:29:50 AM]


Oregon spring bear by Boss .300 winmag
[Today at 07:34:52 AM]


1oz cannon balls by GWP
[Today at 07:29:23 AM]


Anybody breeding meat rabbit? by jackelope
[Yesterday at 08:54:26 PM]


Any info on public land South Dakota pheasant hunts? by follow maggie
[Yesterday at 05:27:14 PM]


Search underway for three missing people after boat sinks near Mukilteo by Platensek-po
[Yesterday at 01:59:06 PM]


Sportsman’s Muzzloader Selection by VickGar
[May 23, 2025, 09:20:43 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2025, SimplePortal